Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi
Who knows when they will ever come calling? It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime. As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast. One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking. Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all. Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security. In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody... Indeed, very nice words for me by now... I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode. As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business. After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!! The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station. * The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience. Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... * -- Regards Philip Adar
There was a guys who reported the same story about the same bypass either last year or the year before. On 24 November 2011 11:24, Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com> wrote:
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar
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Dear All, This is a very scary experience at the hands of youthful robbers. Being in the media, I have read and watched many incidents on this bypass both happening during day time and at night. Most of the incidents happen on this bypass especially behind Carnivore on your way to Mombasa Road. Motorists should be extremely careful and police should swing into action. I will try to publish this information in the Star newspaper where I work on Monday to create public awareness and make the police act promptly. Ken Chelimo On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
There was a guys who reported the same story about the same bypass either last year or the year before.
On 24 November 2011 11:24, Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com> wrote:
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar
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Thanks Ken, I experienced and survived. Maybe they may be fatal to someone next time. Objective: Let's try to warn as many people as possible. Media can have a role to play. Regards Philip On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Chelimo Ken <ken@kenyatelecentres.org>wrote:
Dear All,
This is a very scary experience at the hands of youthful robbers. Being in the media, I have read and watched many incidents on this bypass both happening during day time and at night. Most of the incidents happen on this bypass especially behind Carnivore on your way to Mombasa Road. Motorists should be extremely careful and police should swing into action. I will try to publish this information in the Star newspaper where I work on Monday to create public awareness and make the police act promptly.
Ken Chelimo
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
There was a guys who reported the same story about the same bypass either last year or the year before.
On 24 November 2011 11:24, Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com> wrote:
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar
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Sorry Adar about that. Happened to me off Lusaka Road at 5:30pm a few weeks ago. About 5 High School age kids with 3 guns. Took a few laptops from a few of the motorists, phones, money, purses. That was before we (Safaricom) launched the cloud and you guessed it, my data wasn't backed up. We launched the cloud a couple of weeks later. Now I am wiser. Judy. @judynjogu From: kictanet-bounces+jgnjogu=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+jgnjogu=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Philip Adar Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 1:03 PM To: Judy Njogu Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi Thanks Ken, I experienced and survived. Maybe they may be fatal to someone next time. Objective: Let's try to warn as many people as possible. Media can have a role to play. Regards Philip On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Chelimo Ken <ken@kenyatelecentres.org> wrote: Dear All, This is a very scary experience at the hands of youthful robbers. Being in the media, I have read and watched many incidents on this bypass both happening during day time and at night. Most of the incidents happen on this bypass especially behind Carnivore on your way to Mombasa Road. Motorists should be extremely careful and police should swing into action. I will try to publish this information in the Star newspaper where I work on Monday to create public awareness and make the police act promptly. Ken Chelimo On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: There was a guys who reported the same story about the same bypass either last year or the year before. On 24 November 2011 11:24, Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com> wrote: Who knows when they will ever come calling? It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime. As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast. One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking. Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all. Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security. In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody... Indeed, very nice words for me by now... I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode. As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business. After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!! The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station. The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience. Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... -- Regards Philip Adar _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmbuvi%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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The by-pass is a very dangerous route. Avoid it at ALL costs BUT ... On another thought a lighter note though .... I think this story is Fake I think this story translated directly from mother-tongue or was it copied from a mother-tongue website then pasted to Google Translator ... ama am I not reading the English right ... On 24 November 2011 11:24, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I *left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment* at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
Should have been something like *.... On Wednesday, the 23rd of November ,2011, I left my office along Ngong road to attend to another appointment I had in Nairobi West. In order to make it in time, I decide to use the Southern Bypass*
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
As I turned into the bypass...
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
LOL !!! One little hill done, then valley, then the
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
LMAO .... I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
Hah hah hah "I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram" Lies detector Number 1 --> 23rd Nov was yesterday and it was raining hard .. Where did DUSTY murram come from Anyway .. am on the verge of shedding tears and lunch time is over anyway ... let me leave it to you to judge :)
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar
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The writer is also switching from first persona to reporter, although that should not be a reason to throw caution to the wind. "I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn" ... I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!. The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station" On 24 November 2011 13:29, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
The by-pass is a very dangerous route. Avoid it at ALL costs
BUT ... On another thought a lighter note though .... I think this story is Fake
I think this story translated directly from mother-tongue or was it copied from a mother-tongue website then pasted to Google Translator ... ama am I not reading the English right ...
On 24 November 2011 11:24, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I *left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment* at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
Should have been something like *.... On Wednesday, the 23rd of November ,2011, I left my office along Ngong road to attend to another appointment I had in Nairobi West. In order to make it in time, I decide to use the Southern Bypass*
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
As I turned into the bypass...
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
LOL !!! One little hill done, then valley, then the
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
LMAO .... I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
Hah hah hah "I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram"
Lies detector Number 1 --> 23rd Nov was yesterday and it was raining hard .. Where did DUSTY murram come from
Anyway .. am on the verge of shedding tears and lunch time is over anyway ... let me leave it to you to judge :)
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar
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Pole for what happened, and thankfully you are well. I believe some of the highway cameras will in due time become helpful in monitoring and capturing the goings on along some of these stretches. Especially those mounted on high voltage KPLC masts alongside the roads will do the job. I propose as speed cameras are discussed, a security angle of it should as well be Introduced/considered, to keep our populace safe. Who is behind this project..? In fact we should start by mounting GSM security cameras in places considered crime prone. Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Philip Adar Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:24 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi Who knows when they will ever come calling? It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime. As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast. One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking. Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all. Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security. In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody... Indeed, very nice words for me by now... I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode. As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business. After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!! The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station. The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience. Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... -- Regards Philip Adar
Nairobi isn't a very safe place in most areas. Also, cameras will only help both security and road safety if anyone actually does anything with the information recorded. On 24 November 2011 13:40, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Pole for what happened, and thankfully you are well.****
****
I believe some of the highway cameras will in due time become helpful in monitoring****
and capturing the goings on along some of these stretches. Especially those mounted****
on high voltage KPLC masts alongside the roads will do the job.****
** **
I propose as speed cameras are discussed, a security angle of it should as well be ****
Introduced/considered, to keep our populace safe. Who is behind this project..?****
In fact we should start by mounting GSM security cameras in places considered crime ****
prone.****
** **
Harry****
** **
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Philip Adar *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:24 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi****
** **
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar****
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On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Nairobi isn't a very safe place in most areas.
Also, cameras will only help both security and road safety if anyone actually does anything with the information recorded.
[x-post to skunkworks] Maybe there's a case to be made for a community driven/voluntary CCTV network? I'd certainly chip in with technical contributions and some money for resources.
On 24 November 2011 13:40, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Pole for what happened, and thankfully you are well.****
****
I believe some of the highway cameras will in due time become helpful in monitoring****
and capturing the goings on along some of these stretches. Especially those mounted****
on high voltage KPLC masts alongside the roads will do the job.****
** **
I propose as speed cameras are discussed, a security angle of it should as well be ****
Introduced/considered, to keep our populace safe. Who is behind this project..?****
In fact we should start by mounting GSM security cameras in places considered crime ****
prone.****
** **
Harry****
** **
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Philip Adar *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:24 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi*** *
** **
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar****
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But you still need the police to actually *do* something about either speeding or robbery. I think that's probably the bigger bottleneck than the technology. On 24 November 2011 15:57, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Nairobi isn't a very safe place in most areas.
Also, cameras will only help both security and road safety if anyone actually does anything with the information recorded.
[x-post to skunkworks]
Maybe there's a case to be made for a community driven/voluntary CCTV network? I'd certainly chip in with technical contributions and some money for resources.
On 24 November 2011 13:40, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Pole for what happened, and thankfully you are well.****
****
I believe some of the highway cameras will in due time become helpful in monitoring****
and capturing the goings on along some of these stretches. Especially those mounted****
on high voltage KPLC masts alongside the roads will do the job.****
** **
I propose as speed cameras are discussed, a security angle of it should as well be ****
Introduced/considered, to keep our populace safe. Who is behind this project..?****
In fact we should start by mounting GSM security cameras in places considered crime ****
prone.****
** **
Harry****
** **
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Philip Adar *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:24 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi** **
** **
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar****
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But you still need the police to actually *do* something about either speeding or robbery. I think that's probably the bigger bottleneck than the technology.
Sure. But (I assume) it's harder for them to ignore issues when there's visual evidence. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic. I wonder what the position (in law) is of citizen-collected evidence. I would wager it's not supportive but IANAL.
On 24 November 2011 15:57, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Nairobi isn't a very safe place in most areas.
Also, cameras will only help both security and road safety if anyone actually does anything with the information recorded.
[x-post to skunkworks]
Maybe there's a case to be made for a community driven/voluntary CCTV network? I'd certainly chip in with technical contributions and some money for resources.
On 24 November 2011 13:40, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Pole for what happened, and thankfully you are well.****
****
I believe some of the highway cameras will in due time become helpful in monitoring****
and capturing the goings on along some of these stretches. Especially those mounted****
on high voltage KPLC masts alongside the roads will do the job.****
** **
I propose as speed cameras are discussed, a security angle of it should as well be ****
Introduced/considered, to keep our populace safe. Who is behind this project..?****
In fact we should start by mounting GSM security cameras in places considered crime ****
prone.****
** **
Harry****
** **
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Philip Adar *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:24 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi* ***
** **
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar****
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The cameras will help catch the keep-off the robbers! Assuming they will not steal the cameras as well... Maybe it is time to think about the 'cloud' seriously. Data lost through the stolen laptops (from the 7 cars robbed yesterday) might take months to be fully re-constructed. It seems many take data redundancy for granted. I am learning the hard way... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:57 PM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Nairobi isn't a very safe place in most areas.
Also, cameras will only help both security and road safety if anyone actually does anything with the information recorded.
[x-post to skunkworks]
Maybe there's a case to be made for a community driven/voluntary CCTV network? I'd certainly chip in with technical contributions and some money for resources.
On 24 November 2011 13:40, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Pole for what happened, and thankfully you are well.****
****
I believe some of the highway cameras will in due time become helpful in monitoring****
and capturing the goings on along some of these stretches. Especially those mounted****
on high voltage KPLC masts alongside the roads will do the job.****
** **
I propose as speed cameras are discussed, a security angle of it should as well be ****
Introduced/considered, to keep our populace safe. Who is behind this project..?****
In fact we should start by mounting GSM security cameras in places considered crime ****
prone.****
** **
Harry****
** **
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Philip Adar *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:24 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi** **
** **
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar****
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Philip and Others, I got a space on the letters to the editor in the Star newspaper for tomorrow. I will run the abridged and edited letter to the editor tomorrow so that motorists, police and the public are aware about the danger of driving through this Southern Bypass. See it tomorrow on page 21. Ken Chelimo On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com> wrote:
The cameras will help catch the keep-off the robbers! Assuming they will not steal the cameras as well...
Maybe it is time to think about the 'cloud' seriously. Data lost through the stolen laptops (from the 7 cars robbed yesterday) might take months to be fully re-constructed. It seems many take data redundancy for granted. I am learning the hard way...
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:57 PM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Nairobi isn't a very safe place in most areas.
Also, cameras will only help both security and road safety if anyone actually does anything with the information recorded.
[x-post to skunkworks]
Maybe there's a case to be made for a community driven/voluntary CCTV network? I'd certainly chip in with technical contributions and some money for resources.
On 24 November 2011 13:40, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Pole for what happened, and thankfully you are well.****
****
I believe some of the highway cameras will in due time become helpful in monitoring****
and capturing the goings on along some of these stretches. Especially those mounted****
on high voltage KPLC masts alongside the roads will do the job.****
** **
I propose as speed cameras are discussed, a security angle of it should as well be ****
Introduced/considered, to keep our populace safe. Who is behind this project..?****
In fact we should start by mounting GSM security cameras in places considered crime ****
prone.****
** **
Harry****
** **
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Philip Adar *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:24 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi* ***
** **
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar****
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Thanks Ken, The intention is let the message reach many people. As I went to report the incident at the Karen Police station, I was surprised to be informed by them that robberies happen on this road (southern bypass) and cemetery road (Ngong road towards Kibera) quite frequently and they know about it. The police advises that 'we' should avoid the roads. Thanks for the update about the publication on the star newspaper tomorrow. By highlighting my predicament, you might help save several other Kenyans in future. And indeed, we might as well trigger the road contractors to think about the security cameras, and design with this concept right from the begging of the project. Regards Philip On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Chelimo Ken <ken@kenyatelecentres.org>wrote:
Philip and Others,
I got a space on the letters to the editor in the Star newspaper for tomorrow. I will run the abridged and edited letter to the editor tomorrow so that motorists, police and the public are aware about the danger of driving through this Southern Bypass. See it tomorrow on page 21.
Ken Chelimo
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com>wrote:
The cameras will help catch the keep-off the robbers! Assuming they will not steal the cameras as well...
Maybe it is time to think about the 'cloud' seriously. Data lost through the stolen laptops (from the 7 cars robbed yesterday) might take months to be fully re-constructed. It seems many take data redundancy for granted. I am learning the hard way...
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:57 PM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Nairobi isn't a very safe place in most areas.
Also, cameras will only help both security and road safety if anyone actually does anything with the information recorded.
[x-post to skunkworks]
Maybe there's a case to be made for a community driven/voluntary CCTV network? I'd certainly chip in with technical contributions and some money for resources.
On 24 November 2011 13:40, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Pole for what happened, and thankfully you are well.****
****
I believe some of the highway cameras will in due time become helpful in monitoring****
and capturing the goings on along some of these stretches. Especially those mounted****
on high voltage KPLC masts alongside the roads will do the job.****
** **
I propose as speed cameras are discussed, a security angle of it should as well be ****
Introduced/considered, to keep our populace safe. Who is behind this project..?****
In fact we should start by mounting GSM security cameras in places considered crime ****
prone.****
** **
Harry****
** **
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Philip Adar *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:24 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi ****
** **
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar****
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I believe if we mount security cameras on the High voltage masts, only someone on a suicide mission could dare clamber up to steal them. This should be a PPP initiative/venture where we can rope in the GSM providers, Telco's, KPLC, the City council, Road Ministry, etc and the local ICT community as evidenced in an earlier post. This could form part of the community policing. We can deal with the monitoring, and what should done about it once we get started. Such a measure can also act as a deterrence, and will ultimately scale down the number of incidences that take place. Simply classifying & zoning off areas as crime-infested, and therefore "no-go" zones, does not in any way deal with the issue head on but rather skirt around it. Perhaps if then this be the case, we should actually have some huge bill-board just before one joins such street, drive-way, avenue, by-pass, highway etc warning of the dangers that lie ahead. The ICT community has and can stand out again to be counted to bring ICT based solutions to bear, to resolve most of such issues that we face day to day. Again, necessity becomes a mother of all invention. I suppose we can do something about this, and right away. Perhaps our PS can help get us started on this.? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Chelimo Ken Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:13 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi Philip and Others, I got a space on the letters to the editor in the Star newspaper for tomorrow. I will run the abridged and edited letter to the editor tomorrow so that motorists, police and the public are aware about the danger of driving through this Southern Bypass. See it tomorrow on page 21. Ken Chelimo On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com> wrote: The cameras will help catch the keep-off the robbers! Assuming they will not steal the cameras as well... Maybe it is time to think about the 'cloud' seriously. Data lost through the stolen laptops (from the 7 cars robbed yesterday) might take months to be fully re-constructed. It seems many take data redundancy for granted. I am learning the hard way... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:57 PM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote: Nairobi isn't a very safe place in most areas. Also, cameras will only help both security and road safety if anyone actually does anything with the information recorded. [x-post to skunkworks] Maybe there's a case to be made for a community driven/voluntary CCTV network? I'd certainly chip in with technical contributions and some money for resources. On 24 November 2011 13:40, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Pole for what happened, and thankfully you are well. I believe some of the highway cameras will in due time become helpful in monitoring and capturing the goings on along some of these stretches. Especially those mounted on high voltage KPLC masts alongside the roads will do the job. I propose as speed cameras are discussed, a security angle of it should as well be Introduced/considered, to keep our populace safe. Who is behind this project..? In fact we should start by mounting GSM security cameras in places considered crime prone. Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Philip Adar Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:24 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi Who knows when they will ever come calling? It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime. As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast. One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking. Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all. Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security. In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody... Indeed, very nice words for me by now... I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode. As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business. After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!! The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station. The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience. Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! 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This is not about cameras, it is about policing. I remember another gentleman who was hijacked on the same route but the thugs could not drive off with his car as it was manual transmission and I guess they are used to automatic. The number of stories about this road and reports to police raise a lot of suspicion as to what the police are actually doing or what their role in the crimes is. Putting a few men undercover in civilian cars would solve this problem once and for all. But then again, if the thugs are firing in the air and the police 2KM away do nothing, then who is to say they are not working together. Iteere should clean house like he did in Isiolo, send these guys to Modogashe and bring in a new team to deal with the menace. Meantime, the Kenya and Chinese governments have already drawn up financing agreements for this road to be built by the Chinese. The Chinese have already sent the agreement and our Attorney General has appended his comments, it is now back with the Chinese. Exchange of notes is expected anytime soon. The road will be dual carriage and construction should start sometime early next year. James On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:57 PM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Nairobi isn't a very safe place in most areas.
Also, cameras will only help both security and road safety if anyone actually does anything with the information recorded.
[x-post to skunkworks]
Maybe there's a case to be made for a community driven/voluntary CCTV network? I'd certainly chip in with technical contributions and some money for resources.
On 24 November 2011 13:40, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Pole for what happened, and thankfully you are well.****
****
I believe some of the highway cameras will in due time become helpful in monitoring****
and capturing the goings on along some of these stretches. Especially those mounted****
on high voltage KPLC masts alongside the roads will do the job.****
** **
I propose as speed cameras are discussed, a security angle of it should as well be ****
Introduced/considered, to keep our populace safe. Who is behind this project..?****
In fact we should start by mounting GSM security cameras in places considered crime ****
prone.****
** **
Harry****
** **
*From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Philip Adar *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:24 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi** **
** **
Who knows when they will ever come calling?
It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen. Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30 meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments attention to these matters of security.
In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5 in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the episode.
As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!, roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene, now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the nation-building business.
After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows better...!!!
The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
* The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by warning tirelessly, without surrender... *
-- Regards
Philip Adar****
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Andrea Bohnstedt -
Chelimo Ken -
Dennis Kioko -
Harry Delano -
James Mbugua -
Judy Njogu -
lordmwesh -
Philip Adar -
rsohan＠gmail.com -
Thomas Kibui