Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom?
Listers Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet Freedom and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on this? http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threa... This article brings to the fore the different voices that are advocating for two key positions:- 1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private, U.S.-based nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers and gears that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system. Although ICANN says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such groups as the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium, there has been a lot of criticism of the organization<http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3344078/icann-commits-tackling-conflict-of-interest-concerns/>over the years, from allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent expansion of the top-level domain system. 2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications Union take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the Internet,” TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the Net under the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations whose commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best, including China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet evangelist at Google, said the move would threaten<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwxyRPFduTN2Y0d4bDN0YmotbVk/edit?pli=1>the free and open nature of the Internet: As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The Kenya Government? CCK? Regards -- *Ali Hussein|Managing Partner* * *Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road P O Box 14556-00100 Office: +254 737 751409 Cell: +254 773/713 601113 *Nairobi, Kenya* Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame
Hi, This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la ICANN). We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan position, certainly. Regards, McTim On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet Freedom and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on this?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threa...
This article brings to the fore the different voices that are advocating for two key positions:-
1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private, U.S.-based nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers and gears that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system. Although ICANN says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such groups as the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium, there has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent expansion of the top-level domain system.
2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications Union take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the Internet,” TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the Net under the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations whose commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best, including China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet evangelist at Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the Internet:
As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The Kenya Government? CCK?
Regards
--
Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group
Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
P O Box 14556-00100
Office: +254 737 751409
Cell: +254 773/713 601113
Nairobi, Kenya
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
"You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame
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Indeed. I'm abit surprised by the silence from CCK and other Governmental Agencies on this issue. Does it mean we as a country do not have a position on this? Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:04 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la ICANN).
We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan position, certainly.
Regards,
McTim
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet Freedom and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on this?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threa...
This article brings to the fore the different voices that are advocating for two key positions:-
1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private, U.S.-based nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers and gears that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system. Although ICANN says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such groups as the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium, there has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent expansion of the top-level domain system.
2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications Union take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the Internet,” TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the Net under the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations whose commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best, including China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet evangelist at Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the Internet:
As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The Kenya Government? CCK?
Regards
--
Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group
Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
P O Box 14556-00100
Office: +254 737 751409
Cell: +254 773/713 601113
Nairobi, Kenya
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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@Ali, am not in government but I can deduce "their" position...Most African Government Positions in international ICT matters is as spelled out by ITU. It has worked well in some areas - such as enforcing international standards in telephony and radio frequencies. Am not sure the same approach would achieve similar success in matters purely Internet. But that does not mean that ITU will or should stop trying - particularly because telephony and other traditional telco-issues have indeed moved onto the internet platform and we dont want the ITU ecosystem stranded in the 20th Century...we got to move with them. So until when we pass the Freedom of Information Bill , we shall continue to read the ITU lips/position in order to know what Kenya and the other big girls in Africa are thinking. However, Brasil, Rep S.A, India and China (BRIC countries ) were honest enough to state this (ITU) position loudly enough for everyone to hear during the last IGF meeting held in Nairobi 2011... On another related but domestic issue, our laws expect the National Communication Secretariate to be the conveyor of our National Position, but in practice (I stand to be corrected) it appears the Regulator through ITU gets to have the last say. walu. --- On Mon, 6/4/12, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 7:15 PM Indeed. I'm abit surprised by the silence from CCK and other Governmental Agencies on this issue. Does it mean we as a country do not have a position on this? Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:04 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la ICANN).
We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan position, certainly.
Regards,
McTim
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet Freedom and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on this?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threa...
This article brings to the fore the different voices that are advocating for two key positions:-
1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private, U.S.-based nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers and gears that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system. Although ICANN says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such groups as the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium, there has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent expansion of the top-level domain system.
2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications Union take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the Internet,” TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the Net under the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations whose commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best, including China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet evangelist at Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the Internet:
As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The Kenya Government? CCK?
Regards
--
Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group
Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
P O Box 14556-00100
Office: +254 737 751409
Cell: +254 773/713 601113
Nairobi, Kenya
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
"You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame
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Walu Thank you for putting words in the mouth of Government! :) Now if only someone in Government can agree/disagree with Walu's thoughts.. CCK you there? Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali,
am not in government but I can deduce "their" position...Most African Government Positions in international ICT matters is as spelled out by ITU. It has worked well in some areas - such as enforcing international standards in telephony and radio frequencies.
Am not sure the same approach would achieve similar success in matters purely Internet. But that does not mean that ITU will or should stop trying - particularly because telephony and other traditional telco-issues have indeed moved onto the internet platform and we dont want the ITU ecosystem stranded in the 20th Century...we got to move with them.
So until when we pass the Freedom of Information Bill , we shall continue to read the ITU lips/position in order to know what Kenya and the other big girls in Africa are thinking. However, Brasil, Rep S.A, India and China (BRIC countries ) were honest enough to state this (ITU) position loudly enough for everyone to hear during the last IGF meeting held in Nairobi 2011...
On another related but domestic issue, our laws expect the National Communication Secretariate to be the conveyor of our National Position, but in practice (I stand to be corrected) it appears the Regulator through ITU gets to have the last say.
walu.
--- On Mon, 6/4/12, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 7:15 PM
Indeed. I'm abit surprised by the silence from CCK and other Governmental Agencies on this issue. Does it mean we as a country do not have a position on this?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:04 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la ICANN).
We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan position, certainly.
Regards,
McTim
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet Freedom and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on this?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threa...
This article brings to the fore the different voices that are advocating for two key positions:-
1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private, U.S.-based nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers and gears that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system. Although ICANN says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such groups as the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium, there has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent expansion of the top-level domain system.
2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications Union take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the Internet,” TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the Net under the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations whose commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best, including China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet evangelist at Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the Internet:
As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The Kenya Government? CCK?
Regards
--
Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group
Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
P O Box 14556-00100
Office: +254 737 751409
Cell: +254 773/713 601113
Nairobi, Kenya
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
"You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame
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The World is not black and white only. Having no position is in itself a position. Ndemo.
Walu
Thank you for putting words in the mouth of Government! :) Now if only someone in Government can agree/disagree with Walu's thoughts..
CCK you there?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali,
am not in government but I can deduce "their" position...Most African Government Positions in international ICT matters is as spelled out by ITU. It has worked well in some areas - such as enforcing international standards in telephony and radio frequencies.
Am not sure the same approach would achieve similar success in matters purely Internet. But that does not mean that ITU will or should stop trying - particularly because telephony and other traditional telco-issues have indeed moved onto the internet platform and we dont want the ITU ecosystem stranded in the 20th Century...we got to move with them.
So until when we pass the Freedom of Information Bill , we shall continue to read the ITU lips/position in order to know what Kenya and the other big girls in Africa are thinking. However, Brasil, Rep S.A, India and China (BRIC countries ) were honest enough to state this (ITU) position loudly enough for everyone to hear during the last IGF meeting held in Nairobi 2011...
On another related but domestic issue, our laws expect the National Communication Secretariate to be the conveyor of our National Position, but in practice (I stand to be corrected) it appears the Regulator through ITU gets to have the last say.
walu.
--- On Mon, 6/4/12, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 7:15 PM
Indeed. I'm abit surprised by the silence from CCK and other Governmental Agencies on this issue. Does it mean we as a country do not have a position on this?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:04 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la ICANN).
We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan position, certainly.
Regards,
McTim
Listers
Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet Freedom and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: this?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threa...
This article brings to the fore the different voices that are
two key positions:-
1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private, U.S.-based nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers and gears that underlie the Internetâincluding the domain-name system. Although ICANN says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such groups as the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium, there has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent expansion of the top-level domain system.
2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications Union take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the âfathers of the Internet,â TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the Net under the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations whose commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best, including China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet evangelist at Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the Internet:
As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The Kenya Government? CCK?
Regards
--
Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group
Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
P O Box 14556-00100
Office: +254 737 751409
Cell: +254 773/713 601113
Nairobi, Kenya
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
"You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame
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Daktari Well put. I'm sure as we move along that will be clearer... Thanks Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:58 PM, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
The World is not black and white only. Having no position is in itself a position.
Ndemo.
Walu
Thank you for putting words in the mouth of Government! :) Now if only someone in Government can agree/disagree with Walu's thoughts..
CCK you there?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali,
am not in government but I can deduce "their" position...Most African Government Positions in international ICT matters is as spelled out by ITU. It has worked well in some areas - such as enforcing international standards in telephony and radio frequencies.
Am not sure the same approach would achieve similar success in matters purely Internet. But that does not mean that ITU will or should stop trying - particularly because telephony and other traditional telco-issues have indeed moved onto the internet platform and we dont want the ITU ecosystem stranded in the 20th Century...we got to move with them.
So until when we pass the Freedom of Information Bill , we shall continue to read the ITU lips/position in order to know what Kenya and the other big girls in Africa are thinking. However, Brasil, Rep S.A, India and China (BRIC countries ) were honest enough to state this (ITU) position loudly enough for everyone to hear during the last IGF meeting held in Nairobi 2011...
On another related but domestic issue, our laws expect the National Communication Secretariate to be the conveyor of our National Position, but in practice (I stand to be corrected) it appears the Regulator through ITU gets to have the last say.
walu.
--- On Mon, 6/4/12, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 7:15 PM
Indeed. I'm abit surprised by the silence from CCK and other Governmental Agencies on this issue. Does it mean we as a country do not have a position on this?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:04 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la ICANN).
We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan position, certainly.
Regards,
McTim
Listers
Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet Freedom and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: this?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threa...
This article brings to the fore the different voices that are
two key positions:-
1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private, U.S.-based nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers and gears that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system. Although ICANN says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such groups as the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium, there has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent expansion of the top-level domain system.
2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications Union take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the Internet,†TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the Net under the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations whose commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best, including China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet evangelist at Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the Internet:
As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The Kenya Government? CCK?
Regards
--
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Ali, Milton Mueller, a Prof at Syracuse Univ in the US keeps tabs on these developments. I dont always agree with him but I found this piece a good intro to the International Politics of the Internet..and a balanced opinion on the recent ITU moves. http://preview.tinyurl.com/crbvqzh or http://www.internetgovernance.org/2012/05/24/threat-analysis-of-tus-wcit-par... walu. nb: Obviously he applies less fuzzy logic than the PS :-). --- On Tue, 6/5/12, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 2:30 PM Daktari Well put. I'm sure as we move along that will be clearer... Thanks Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:58 PM, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
The World is not black and white only. Having no position is in itself a position.
Ndemo.
Walu
Thank you for putting words in the mouth of Government! :) Now if only someone in Government can agree/disagree with Walu's thoughts..
CCK you there?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali,
am not in government but I can deduce "their" position...Most African Government Positions in international ICT matters is as spelled out by ITU. It has worked well in some areas - such as enforcing international standards in telephony and radio frequencies.
Am not sure the same approach would achieve similar success in matters purely Internet. But that does not mean that ITU will or should stop trying - particularly because telephony and other traditional telco-issues have indeed moved onto the internet platform and we dont want the ITU ecosystem stranded in the 20th Century...we got to move with them.
So until when we pass the Freedom of Information Bill , we shall continue to read the ITU lips/position in order to know what Kenya and the other big girls in Africa are thinking. However, Brasil, Rep S.A, India and China (BRIC countries ) were honest enough to state this (ITU) position loudly enough for everyone to hear during the last IGF meeting held in Nairobi 2011...
On another related but domestic issue, our laws expect the National Communication Secretariate to be the conveyor of our National Position, but in practice (I stand to be corrected) it appears the Regulator through ITU gets to have the last say.
walu.
--- On Mon, 6/4/12, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 7:15 PM
Indeed. I'm abit surprised by the silence from CCK and other Governmental Agencies on this issue. Does it mean we as a country do not have a position on this?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:04 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la ICANN).
We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan position, certainly.
Regards,
McTim
Listers
Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet Freedom and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: this?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threa...
This article brings to the fore the different voices that are
two key positions:-
1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private, U.S.-based nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers and gears that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system. Although ICANN says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such groups as the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium, there has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent expansion of the top-level domain system.
2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications Union take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the Internet,†TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the Net under the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations whose commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best, including China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet evangelist at Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the Internet:
As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The Kenya Government? CCK?
Regards
--
Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group
Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
P O Box 14556-00100
Office: +254 737 751409
Cell: +254 773/713 601113
Nairobi, Kenya
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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Walu Thank you. That is definitely a nice piece on this issue. I'm still amazed at the loud silence from Government side (despite Daktari's protestations to the contrary). Whatever position it is surely we must know as they are a representative of the people. All said and done I particularly liked the part where the writer describes the ITU as a paper tiger :) Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ali,
Milton Mueller, a Prof at Syracuse Univ in the US keeps tabs on these developments. I dont always agree with him but I found this piece a good intro to the International Politics of the Internet..and a balanced opinion on the recent ITU moves.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/crbvqzh
or
http://www.internetgovernance.org/2012/05/24/threat-analysis-of-tus-wcit-par...
walu. nb: Obviously he applies less fuzzy logic than the PS :-).
--- On Tue, 6/5/12, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 2:30 PM
Daktari
Well put. I'm sure as we move along that will be clearer...
Thanks
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:58 PM, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
The World is not black and white only. Having no position is in itself a position.
Ndemo.
Walu
Thank you for putting words in the mouth of Government! :) Now if only someone in Government can agree/disagree with Walu's thoughts..
CCK you there?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali,
am not in government but I can deduce "their" position...Most African Government Positions in international ICT matters is as spelled out by ITU. It has worked well in some areas - such as enforcing international standards in telephony and radio frequencies.
Am not sure the same approach would achieve similar success in matters purely Internet. But that does not mean that ITU will or should stop trying - particularly because telephony and other traditional telco-issues have indeed moved onto the internet platform and we dont want the ITU ecosystem stranded in the 20th Century...we got to move with them.
So until when we pass the Freedom of Information Bill , we shall continue to read the ITU lips/position in order to know what Kenya and the other big girls in Africa are thinking. However, Brasil, Rep S.A, India and China (BRIC countries ) were honest enough to state this (ITU) position loudly enough for everyone to hear during the last IGF meeting held in Nairobi 2011...
On another related but domestic issue, our laws expect the National Communication Secretariate to be the conveyor of our National Position, but in practice (I stand to be corrected) it appears the Regulator through ITU gets to have the last say.
walu.
--- On Mon, 6/4/12, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 7:15 PM
Indeed. I'm abit surprised by the silence from CCK and other Governmental Agencies on this issue. Does it mean we as a country do not have a position on this?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:04 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la ICANN).
We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan position, certainly.
Regards,
McTim
Listers
Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet Freedom and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: this?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threa...
This article brings to the fore the different voices that are
two key positions:-
1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private, U.S.-based nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers and gears that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system. Although ICANN says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such groups as the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium, there has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent expansion of the top-level domain system.
2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications Union take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the Internet,†TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the Net under the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations whose commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best, including China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet evangelist at Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the Internet:
As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The Kenya Government? CCK?
Regards
--
Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group
Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
P O Box 14556-00100
Office: +254 737 751409
Cell: +254 773/713 601113
Nairobi, Kenya
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
"You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame
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Hi Ali, Walu, et al, On 6/5/12 6:50 PM, Ali Hussein wrote:
Walu
Thank you. That is definitely a nice piece on this issue. I'm still amazed at the loud silence from Government side (despite Daktari's protestations to the contrary). Whatever position it is surely we must know as they are a representative of the people.
It is probably best to call a spade a spade. IMHO as a stakeholder and user of the Internet, you and others on this list have an opportunity to arm the Kenyan Government with a position that will serve in your best interest at the WCIT. I think the honors are on this list and the community to come up with a position that is representative of our interests. KICTANET was highly instrumental in the National ICT Policy process and i do not see why the same cannot be done on significant global policies that directly related to the Internet. For instance, on 31st May there was a congressional hearing on the same topic and experts were invited to give testimonies and provide recommendations. For more please see ... http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=9543 That goes to show how important for some countries. I do not agree that having no position is a position. The reason being that at the WCIT all 193 ITU member states (including Kenya) each have a vote. In case the vote needs to be cast, i would want to know that our Government is voting along our positions interests and not based on swaying issues on the floor or which issues were lobbied for the most. Even more interesting it would be good to hear the thoughts of most on 1. What issues should NOT be supported at the WCIT 2. What issues SHOULD be supported at the WCIT 3. What should issues should we be proposing and supporting for Africa. My 2 Cents. Michuki.
Michuki Thanks for reminding us of our civic duty. I'm just wondering whether we can sort of kick off the ball at the IPV6 meeting even if it's for a brief moment? If of course it won't hijack the meeting? After this falls well within ISOC? Do you agree? Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 5, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
Hi Ali, Walu, et al,
On 6/5/12 6:50 PM, Ali Hussein wrote:
Walu
Thank you. That is definitely a nice piece on this issue. I'm still amazed at the loud silence from Government side (despite Daktari's protestations to the contrary). Whatever position it is surely we must know as they are a representative of the people.
It is probably best to call a spade a spade. IMHO as a stakeholder and user of the Internet, you and others on this list have an opportunity to arm the Kenyan Government with a position that will serve in your best interest at the WCIT.
I think the honors are on this list and the community to come up with a position that is representative of our interests. KICTANET was highly instrumental in the National ICT Policy process and i do not see why the same cannot be done on significant global policies that directly related to the Internet.
For instance, on 31st May there was a congressional hearing on the same topic and experts were invited to give testimonies and provide recommendations. For more please see ... http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=9543
That goes to show how important for some countries.
I do not agree that having no position is a position. The reason being that at the WCIT all 193 ITU member states (including Kenya) each have a vote. In case the vote needs to be cast, i would want to know that our Government is voting along our positions interests and not based on swaying issues on the floor or which issues were lobbied for the most.
Even more interesting it would be good to hear the thoughts of most on
1. What issues should NOT be supported at the WCIT 2. What issues SHOULD be supported at the WCIT 3. What should issues should we be proposing and supporting for Africa.
My 2 Cents.
Michuki.
Dear Michuki and all Last year we had attempted to start discussions on this issue when we shared the history and background of the ITR's and current issues and proposals to renew just before the first regional preparatory meeting that took place in Cairo. The second and belive the last took place in Durban last month. Anyway this is probably the best time to begin discussions on the key areas and get contributions from various stakeholders, we have done this quite well, working with various public institutions to contribute to policy and regulatory processes. We will pick up these discussions again, now that there is interest, as part of preparation for the Kenya IGF next week. Best Alice -----Original Message----- From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+alice=apc.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:50:11 To: <alice@apc.org> Reply-To: michuki@swiftkenya.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? Hi Ali, Walu, et al, On 6/5/12 6:50 PM, Ali Hussein wrote:
Walu
Thank you. That is definitely a nice piece on this issue. I'm still amazed at the loud silence from Government side (despite Daktari's protestations to the contrary). Whatever position it is surely we must know as they are a representative of the people.
It is probably best to call a spade a spade. IMHO as a stakeholder and user of the Internet, you and others on this list have an opportunity to arm the Kenyan Government with a position that will serve in your best interest at the WCIT. I think the honors are on this list and the community to come up with a position that is representative of our interests. KICTANET was highly instrumental in the National ICT Policy process and i do not see why the same cannot be done on significant global policies that directly related to the Internet. For instance, on 31st May there was a congressional hearing on the same topic and experts were invited to give testimonies and provide recommendations. For more please see ... http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=9543 That goes to show how important for some countries. I do not agree that having no position is a position. The reason being that at the WCIT all 193 ITU member states (including Kenya) each have a vote. In case the vote needs to be cast, i would want to know that our Government is voting along our positions interests and not based on swaying issues on the floor or which issues were lobbied for the most. Even more interesting it would be good to hear the thoughts of most on 1. What issues should NOT be supported at the WCIT 2. What issues SHOULD be supported at the WCIT 3. What should issues should we be proposing and supporting for Africa. My 2 Cents. Michuki. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alice%40apc.org The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Daktari, This is what is called Fuzzy Logic - a branch of computer science. Fuzzy logic is a form of many-valued logic or probabilistic logic; it deals with reasoning that is approximate rather than fixed and exact. In contrast with traditional logic theory, where binary sets have two-valued logic: true or false, fuzzy logic variables may have a truth value that ranges in degree between 0 and 1. Adapted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic Am glad it has helped you out - at least for now :-) walu. --- On Tue, 6/5/12, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 1:58 PM The World is not black and white only. Having no position is in itself a position. Ndemo.
Walu
Thank you for putting words in the mouth of Government! :) Now if only someone in Government can agree/disagree with Walu's thoughts..
CCK you there?
Ali Hussein
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On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali,
am not in government but I can deduce "their" position...Most African Government Positions in international ICT matters is as spelled out by ITU. It has worked well in some areas - such as enforcing international standards in telephony and radio frequencies.
Am not sure the same approach would achieve similar success in matters purely Internet. But that does not mean that ITU will or should stop trying - particularly because telephony and other traditional telco-issues have indeed moved onto the internet platform and we dont want the ITU ecosystem stranded in the 20th Century...we got to move with them.
So until when we pass the Freedom of Information Bill , we shall continue to read the ITU lips/position in order to know what Kenya and the other big girls in Africa are thinking. However, Brasil, Rep S.A, India and China (BRIC countries ) were honest enough to state this (ITU) position loudly enough for everyone to hear during the last IGF meeting held in Nairobi 2011...
On another related but domestic issue, our laws expect the National Communication Secretariate to be the conveyor of our National Position, but in practice (I stand to be corrected) it appears the Regulator through ITU gets to have the last say.
walu.
--- On Mon, 6/4/12, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 7:15 PM
Indeed. I'm abit surprised by the silence from CCK and other Governmental Agencies on this issue. Does it mean we as a country do not have a position on this?
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On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:04 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la ICANN).
We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan position, certainly.
Regards,
McTim
Listers
Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet Freedom and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: this?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threa...
This article brings to the fore the different voices that are
two key positions:-
1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private, U.S.-based nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers and gears that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system. Although ICANN says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such groups as the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web Consortium, there has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from allegations of conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent expansion of the top-level domain system.
2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications Union take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the Internet,” TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the Net under the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations whose commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best, including China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet evangelist at Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the Internet:
As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The Kenya Government? CCK?
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Walubengo J