Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
Samuel, But what say you of the Christian town of Kijabe, where cigars nor bars are never to be sighted? And this has been the case in Kijabe for years and even captured in the newspapers a few years ago. Kijabe town proclamation by Christians and Mandera one by Muslims...which is lesser of an evil? Again the whole argument shouldnt be tied to the proposed consititution since its happening right under the watch of the current constitution. So to say NO would simply retain the status quo which has the same provisions already. My cent's worth.
-------Original Message------- From: Samuel Gichuru <gichuru@gmail.com> To: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs Sent: Apr 27 '10 05:59
This is unbelivable, Wainana, I totally agree with you.. on that statement. and I will quote it again
"My� vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured by the Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or Christian� cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting to determine� � where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do so; where and� � what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular KENYA."
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:48 AM, <[LINK: mailto:emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke] emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> wrote: Did I miss some news?
I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in "Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim youth alike.
I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to do with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts or any of those parts being contested?
I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask ourselves, what's Christ do?
Regards,
Emmanuel PS: The views expressed here are my own..
� -------Original Message------- � From: Harry Delano <[LINK: mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke] harry@comtelsys.co.ke> � To: [LINK: mailto:emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke] emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke � Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <[LINK: mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke] kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> � Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs � Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26
� You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this � country...???
� Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated � by � fundamentalists � upon hapless citizenry, with no regard � whatsoever for the very basic of � basic � human rights..
� So, who is fooling who..? � Next thing, internet will be � outlawed in that � section � of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a time we � working to � open up space and bridge the national divide. Time to smell � coffee...
� Harry
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� Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new � constitution � limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one religion the � Kenyan � state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who vote YES!
� Of � course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point this � out.
� On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK: � mailto:[LINK: mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org] wainaina@madeinkenya.org] [LINK: mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org] wainaina@madeinkenya.org> � wrote: � The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law, � outlaw DSTV, � video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have � come at a � more unfortunate time. The support they have received from � SUPREM � (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate � on � the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our � Constitution.
� Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent � 'treason' in � my secular nation, � President Kibaki and Prime Minister � Odinga must � also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are � omitted � from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the � NO � campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question. � No � religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the � privileges � of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that � may � disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.
� My � vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured � by the � Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or � Christian � cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting � to determine � where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do � so; where and � what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular � KENYA.
� No � religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and � no � loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such � treasonable � actions.
� Regards, � Wainaina
� -- � Sent from my mobile � device
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What happens in Kijabe? Lashes? Are women allowed to drive in Kijabe? What is the dress code? Are they allowed to go to school? On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:16 AM, <emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> wrote:
Samuel,
But what say you of the Christian town of Kijabe, where cigars nor bars are never to be sighted? And this has been the case in Kijabe for years and even captured in the newspapers a few years ago. Kijabe town proclamation by Christians and Mandera one by Muslims...which is lesser of an evil?
Again the whole argument shouldnt be tied to the proposed consititution since its happening right under the watch of the current constitution. So to say NO would simply retain the status quo which has the same provisions already.
My cent's worth.
-------Original Message------- From: Samuel Gichuru <gichuru@gmail.com> To: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs Sent: Apr 27 '10 05:59
This is unbelivable, Wainana, I totally agree with you.. on that statement. and I will quote it again
"My� vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured by the Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or Christian� cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting to determine� � where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do so; where and� � what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular KENYA."
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:48 AM, <[LINK: mailto: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke] emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> wrote: Did I miss some news?
I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in "Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim youth alike.
I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to do with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts or any of those parts being contested?
I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask ourselves, what's Christ do?
Regards,
Emmanuel PS: The views expressed here are my own..
� -------Original Message------- � From: Harry Delano <[LINK: mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke] harry@comtelsys.co.ke> � To: [LINK: mailto:emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke] emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke � Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <[LINK: mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke] kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> � Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs � Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26
� You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this � country...???
� Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated � by � fundamentalists � upon hapless citizenry, with no regard � whatsoever for the very basic of � basic � human rights..
� So, who is fooling who..? � Next thing, internet will be � outlawed in that � section � of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a time we � working to � open up space and bridge the national divide. Time to smell � coffee...
� Harry
� -------------------- � FROM: � kictanet-bounces+harry=[LINK: http://comtelsys.co.ke] comtelsys.co.ke@[LINK: http://lists.kictanet.or.ke] lists.kictanet.or.ke � [mailto:[LINK: mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry<kictanet-bounces%252Bharry> ] kictanet-bounces+harry=[LINK: http://comtelsys.co.ke] comtelsys.co.ke@[LINK: http://lists.kictanet.or.ke] lists.kictanet.or.ke] ON � BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya � SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09 � AM � TO: [LINK: mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke] harry@comtelsys.co.ke � CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy � Discussions � SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the � Sheikhs
� Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new � constitution � limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one religion the � Kenyan � state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who vote YES!
� Of � course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point this � out.
� On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK: � mailto:[LINK: mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org] wainaina@madeinkenya.org] [LINK: mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org] wainaina@madeinkenya.org> � wrote: � The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law, � outlaw DSTV, � video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have � come at a � more unfortunate time. The support they have received from � SUPREM � (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate � on � the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our � Constitution.
� Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent � 'treason' in � my secular nation, � President Kibaki and Prime Minister � Odinga must � also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are � omitted � from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the � NO � campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question. � No � religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the � privileges � of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that � may � disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.
� My � vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured � by the � Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or � Christian � cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting � to determine � where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do � so; where and � what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular � KENYA.
� No � religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and � no � loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such � treasonable � actions.
� Regards, � Wainaina
� -- � Sent from my mobile � device
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