Re: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again
Hi, The information to be visualized is minimal as what is being received is only summaries from the polling stations and not each voters results which would mean that the data could be visualized quite comfortably with a spreadsheet on a 486 or lower processor so when they say that it was underpowered on what platform where they running the application, a Huawei ID10T "smart phone". This is a clear indication that all we remain is a silicon savanna where there is a scarcity of trees from which one can climb to get a vantage point into the future. (A savanna, or savannah, is a grassland ecosystem characterized by the trees being sufficiently small or widely spaced so that the canopy does not close. The open canopy allows sufficient light to reach the ground to support an unbroken herbaceous layer consisting primarily of grasses.[1][2][3] Some classification systems[which?] also recognize a grassland savanna from which trees are absent.[4] This article deals only with savanna under the common definition of a grassy woodland with a significant woody plant component) Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Gabe Sailepo <gabe@kentelcom.com> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013, 0:15 Subject: RE: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again We are living in the day and age of Hardware Abstraction, Multi-core CPU, Hypervisors and Virtualization of physical resources. The statement “Server was under powered” does not inspire a lot of confidence in our nascent IT Industry. In my opinion, the physical hardware should no longer a limitation once you virtualize the Compute, Network and Storage Nodes? Did the engineers do any stress-tests and capacity planning? Did they even scale the System? It would be ironic and tragic if the Kenyan Elections failed due to some ID10T errors considering that Kenya is the African Silicon Savannah. “Never was so much owed by so many to so few” stolen from Churchill. Gabe Shompole From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+gabe.shompole=kentelcom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:59 AM To: Gabe Shompole Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again Hi, I am shocked that none of the people of this list felt it necessary to the bring the following issues to light yet it could be a major issue if not resolved immeidate “Sunday when we had the transmission of results, there was something that didn’t work. We used a server of a lesser power than the one we thought we should use. We confirmed that all results were relayed to the server but it could not do visualisation,” Mr Oswago said. http://elections.nation.co.ke/news/System-to-relay-poll-tally-queried-/-/163... Shall we keep behaving like pathologists whose clients have no opportunity for a second opinion? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 The content of this e-mail from Kentelcom (including any attachments) is strictly confidential and may be commercially sensitive. If you are not, or believe that you may not be, the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by returning the e-mail, deleting it and destroying any copies. This Email has also been Scanned for Viruses by MailScanner and is believed to be clean.
I also wondered hat was meant by visualising What exactly is being visualised if the results are correctly received Also why is IEBC buying hardware now? This thing was not tested for all those months? Wouldn't running it from a cloud instance be better and cheaper for all concerned(ok maybe not for whomever is selling the new new server.) And why is there no technical language being used? No talk of latency, page load, database response etc. just vague terms like no visualisation. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:04 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
The information to be visualized is minimal as what is being received is only summaries from the polling stations and not each voters results which would mean that the data could be visualized quite comfortably with a spreadsheet on a 486 or lower processor so when they say that it was underpowered on what platform where they running the application, a Huawei ID10T "smart phone".
This is a clear indication that all we remain is a silicon savanna where there is a scarcity of trees from which one can climb to get a vantage point into the future.
(A *savanna*, or *savannah*, is a grassland<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassland> ecosystem <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem> characterized by the trees being sufficiently small or widely spaced so that the canopy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canopy_%28forest%29>does not close. The open canopy allows sufficient light to reach the ground to support an unbroken herbaceous<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbaceous>layer consisting primarily of grasses. [1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-1>[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-2> [3] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-WernerIntro-3> Some classification systems[*which?<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words> *] also recognize a grassland savanna from which trees are absent.[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-4>This article deals only with savanna under the common definition of a grassy woodland with a significant woody plant component)
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Gabe Sailepo <gabe@kentelcom.com> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 February 2013, 0:15 *Subject:* RE: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again
We are living in the day and age of Hardware Abstraction, Multi-core CPU, Hypervisors and Virtualization of physical resources. The statement “Server was under powered” does not inspire a lot of confidence in our nascent IT Industry. In my opinion, the physical hardware should no longer a limitation once you virtualize the Compute, Network and Storage Nodes? Did the engineers do any stress-tests and capacity planning? Did they even scale the System? It would be ironic and tragic if the Kenyan Elections failed due to some ID10T errors considering that Kenya is the African Silicon Savannah. “Never was so much owed by so many to so few” stolen from Churchill.
Gabe Shompole
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+gabe.shompole= kentelcom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *robert yawe *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:59 AM *To:* Gabe Shompole *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again
Hi,
I am shocked that none of the people of this list felt it necessary to the bring the following issues to light yet it could be a major issue if not resolved immeidate
“Sunday when we had the transmission of results, there was something that didn’t work. We used a server of a lesser power than the one we thought we should use. We confirmed that all results were relayed to the server but it could not do visualisation,” Mr Oswago said.
http://elections.nation.co.ke/news/System-to-relay-poll-tally-queried-/-/163...
Shall we keep behaving like pathologists whose clients have no opportunity for a second opinion?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 The content of this e-mail from Kentelcom (including any attachments) is strictly confidential and may be commercially sensitive. If you are not, or believe that you may not be, the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by returning the e-mail, deleting it and destroying any copies. This Email has also been Scanned for Viruses by MailScanner and is believed to be clean.
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Maybe the best person to respond to these queries would be Dismas Ongondi, head of ICT at IEBC. I believe there are listers on the list who know him personally. Andrew On Feb 28, 2013 5:45 PM, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I also wondered hat was meant by visualising What exactly is being visualised if the results are correctly received Also why is IEBC buying hardware now? This thing was not tested for all those months? Wouldn't running it from a cloud instance be better and cheaper for all concerned(ok maybe not for whomever is selling the new new server.)
And why is there no technical language being used? No talk of latency, page load, database response etc. just vague terms like no visualisation.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:04 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
The information to be visualized is minimal as what is being received is only summaries from the polling stations and not each voters results which would mean that the data could be visualized quite comfortably with a spreadsheet on a 486 or lower processor so when they say that it was underpowered on what platform where they running the application, a Huawei ID10T "smart phone".
This is a clear indication that all we remain is a silicon savanna where there is a scarcity of trees from which one can climb to get a vantage point into the future.
(A *savanna*, or *savannah*, is a grassland<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassland> ecosystem <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem> characterized by the trees being sufficiently small or widely spaced so that the canopy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canopy_%28forest%29>does not close. The open canopy allows sufficient light to reach the ground to support an unbroken herbaceous<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbaceous>layer consisting primarily of grasses. [1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-1>[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-2> [3] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-WernerIntro-3> Some classification systems[*which?<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words> *] also recognize a grassland savanna from which trees are absent.[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-4>This article deals only with savanna under the common definition of a grassy woodland with a significant woody plant component)
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Gabe Sailepo <gabe@kentelcom.com> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Sent:* Thursday, 28 February 2013, 0:15 *Subject:* RE: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again
We are living in the day and age of Hardware Abstraction, Multi-core CPU, Hypervisors and Virtualization of physical resources. The statement “Server was under powered” does not inspire a lot of confidence in our nascent IT Industry. In my opinion, the physical hardware should no longer a limitation once you virtualize the Compute, Network and Storage Nodes? Did the engineers do any stress-tests and capacity planning? Did they even scale the System? It would be ironic and tragic if the Kenyan Elections failed due to some ID10T errors considering that Kenya is the African Silicon Savannah. “Never was so much owed by so many to so few” stolen from Churchill.
Gabe Shompole
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+gabe.shompole= kentelcom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *robert yawe *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:59 AM *To:* Gabe Shompole *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again
Hi,
I am shocked that none of the people of this list felt it necessary to the bring the following issues to light yet it could be a major issue if not resolved immeidate
“Sunday when we had the transmission of results, there was something that didn’t work. We used a server of a lesser power than the one we thought we should use. We confirmed that all results were relayed to the server but it could not do visualisation,” Mr Oswago said.
http://elections.nation.co.ke/news/System-to-relay-poll-tally-queried-/-/163...
Shall we keep behaving like pathologists whose clients have no opportunity for a second opinion?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 The content of this e-mail from Kentelcom (including any attachments) is strictly confidential and may be commercially sensitive. If you are not, or believe that you may not be, the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by returning the e-mail, deleting it and destroying any copies. This Email has also been Scanned for Viruses by MailScanner and is believed to be clean.
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Which then begs the question: What exactly does the Computer Society of Kenya do? Where are Waudo and Co to give guidance at such a time when the country needs the industry most? Regards Outstanding Online Investment Content Provider 2009 - Computer Society of Kenya From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:34 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again I also wondered hat was meant by visualising What exactly is being visualised if the results are correctly received Also why is IEBC buying hardware now? This thing was not tested for all those months? Wouldn't running it from a cloud instance be better and cheaper for all concerned(ok maybe not for whomever is selling the new new server.) And why is there no technical language being used? No talk of latency, page load, database response etc. just vague terms like no visualisation. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:04 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, The information to be visualized is minimal as what is being received is only summaries from the polling stations and not each voters results which would mean that the data could be visualized quite comfortably with a spreadsheet on a 486 or lower processor so when they say that it was underpowered on what platform where they running the application, a Huawei ID10T "smart phone". This is a clear indication that all we remain is a silicon savanna where there is a scarcity of trees from which one can climb to get a vantage point into the future. (A savanna, or savannah, is a grassland <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassland> ecosystem <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem> characterized by the trees being sufficiently small or widely spaced so that the canopy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canopy_%28forest%29> does not close. The open canopy allows sufficient light to reach the ground to support an unbroken herbaceous <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbaceous> layer consisting primarily of grasses.[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-1> [2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-2> [3] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-WernerIntro-3> Some classification systems[which? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words> ] also recognize a grassland savanna from which trees are absent.[4] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-4> This article deals only with savanna under the common definition of a grassy woodland with a significant woody plant component) Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225 <tel:%2B254722511225> , +254202010696 <tel:%2B254202010696> _____ From: Gabe Sailepo <gabe@kentelcom.com> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013, 0:15 Subject: RE: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again We are living in the day and age of Hardware Abstraction, Multi-core CPU, Hypervisors and Virtualization of physical resources. The statement "Server was under powered" does not inspire a lot of confidence in our nascent IT Industry. In my opinion, the physical hardware should no longer a limitation once you virtualize the Compute, Network and Storage Nodes? Did the engineers do any stress-tests and capacity planning? Did they even scale the System? It would be ironic and tragic if the Kenyan Elections failed due to some ID10T errors considering that Kenya is the African Silicon Savannah. "Never was so much owed by so many to so few" stolen from Churchill. Gabe Shompole From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+gabe.shompole <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bgabe.shompole> =kentelcom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:59 AM To: Gabe Shompole Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again Hi, I am shocked that none of the people of this list felt it necessary to the bring the following issues to light yet it could be a major issue if not resolved immeidate "Sunday when we had the transmission of results, there was something that didn't work. We used a server of a lesser power than the one we thought we should use. We confirmed that all results were relayed to the server but it could not do visualisation," Mr Oswago said. http://elections.nation.co.ke/news/System-to-relay-poll-tally-queried-/-/163 1868/1704724/-/5pbyj5z/-/index.html Shall we keep behaving like pathologists whose clients have no opportunity for a second opinion? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225 <tel:%2B254722511225> , +254202010696 <tel:%2B254202010696> The content of this e-mail from Kentelcom (including any attachments) is strictly confidential and may be commercially sensitive. If you are not, or believe that you may not be, the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by returning the e-mail, deleting it and destroying any copies. This Email has also been Scanned for Viruses by MailScanner and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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In almost any system I have deployed in my developer life, there has been a transition between old system (manual usually) and the new system being deployed. I would like to imagine, IEBC will retain a manual system that will be used in the event there is failure. Therefore, we shouldn't really have a problem even if the system failed..only delays would be experienced really. Do I eve sound practical on this? J Kind Regards, Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer Bernsoft Interactive Limited P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya Office: +254-703-080-080 Mobile: +254-722-540-883 From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:34 PM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again I also wondered hat was meant by visualising What exactly is being visualised if the results are correctly received Also why is IEBC buying hardware now? This thing was not tested for all those months? Wouldn't running it from a cloud instance be better and cheaper for all concerned(ok maybe not for whomever is selling the new new server.) And why is there no technical language being used? No talk of latency, page load, database response etc. just vague terms like no visualisation. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:04 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, The information to be visualized is minimal as what is being received is only summaries from the polling stations and not each voters results which would mean that the data could be visualized quite comfortably with a spreadsheet on a 486 or lower processor so when they say that it was underpowered on what platform where they running the application, a Huawei ID10T "smart phone". This is a clear indication that all we remain is a silicon savanna where there is a scarcity of trees from which one can climb to get a vantage point into the future. (A savanna, or savannah, is a grassland <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassland> ecosystem <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem> characterized by the trees being sufficiently small or widely spaced so that the canopy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canopy_%28forest%29> does not close. The open canopy allows sufficient light to reach the ground to support an unbroken herbaceous <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbaceous> layer consisting primarily of grasses.[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-1> [2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-2> [3] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-WernerIntro-3> Some classification systems[which? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words> ] also recognize a grassland savanna from which trees are absent.[4] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna#cite_note-4> This article deals only with savanna under the common definition of a grassy woodland with a significant woody plant component) Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225 <tel:%2B254722511225> , +254202010696 <tel:%2B254202010696> _____ From: Gabe Sailepo <gabe@kentelcom.com> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013, 0:15 Subject: RE: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again We are living in the day and age of Hardware Abstraction, Multi-core CPU, Hypervisors and Virtualization of physical resources. The statement "Server was under powered" does not inspire a lot of confidence in our nascent IT Industry. In my opinion, the physical hardware should no longer a limitation once you virtualize the Compute, Network and Storage Nodes? Did the engineers do any stress-tests and capacity planning? Did they even scale the System? It would be ironic and tragic if the Kenyan Elections failed due to some ID10T errors considering that Kenya is the African Silicon Savannah. "Never was so much owed by so many to so few" stolen from Churchill. Gabe Shompole From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+gabe.shompole <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bgabe.shompole> =kentelcom.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:59 AM To: Gabe Shompole Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Techies to fail Kenya again Hi, I am shocked that none of the people of this list felt it necessary to the bring the following issues to light yet it could be a major issue if not resolved immeidate "Sunday when we had the transmission of results, there was something that didn't work. We used a server of a lesser power than the one we thought we should use. We confirmed that all results were relayed to the server but it could not do visualisation," Mr Oswago said. http://elections.nation.co.ke/news/System-to-relay-poll-tally-queried-/-/163 1868/1704724/-/5pbyj5z/-/index.html Shall we keep behaving like pathologists whose clients have no opportunity for a second opinion? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225 <tel:%2B254722511225> , +254202010696 <tel:%2B254202010696> The content of this e-mail from Kentelcom (including any attachments) is strictly confidential and may be commercially sensitive. If you are not, or believe that you may not be, the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by returning the e-mail, deleting it and destroying any copies. This Email has also been Scanned for Viruses by MailScanner and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards, Mark Mwangi markmwangi.me.ke
participants (5)
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Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] -
Eugene Lidede (Synergy) -
Gakiria -
Mark Mwangi -
robert yawe