Should Kenya have a state religion?
Dear Fatma, You made me ask myself a pertinent question: "Is Kenya really a secular state?" Almost all political and other leaders mix their religious convictions with their statutory or political roles. From the President, his deputies, coucillors, chiefs, Headmasters, etc religion is apparent in their actions. We also have different by-laws in parts of Kenya that seem to be based on Islam, Christianity etc in various parts of Kenya. I wonder if Kenyans should simply be asked to vote for a state religion and make some provisions that accommodate the ''minority'' religions. We'd have a State religion and have provisions on law that protect persons who do not profess that religion. How palatable is that? Wainaina -- Sent from my mobile device Wainaina Mungai ----- http://www.bungesms.com http://www.madeinkenya.org http://www.wainainamungai.com Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared. ~ Buddha~
From the other direction, to say that state is separate from church, means
Dear WM, Political freedom requires a separation of church and state. This principle is often advocated, but seldom fully understood. Properly, this separation is rooted in the principle of intellectual freedom. It means that every individual should be free to think about and accept any idea he chooses. To say that church is separate from state means that the state makes no evaluation of its citizens’ ideas, religious or otherwise. The state’s concern is only with men’s actions, specifically actions that trespass on individual rights. It neither persecutes nor tolerates nor promotes ideas—because it is unconcerned with ideas per se. that a citizen—including any faction of them, such as a church—is incapable of using the state’s coercive power to penalize or support ideas, religious or otherwise. If a citizen wants to hinder or support an idea, he must argue his case with others, not enact a law. In a free society, government has no power to persecute or establish religious ideas because it has no power to police ideas as such. No one, including those in government, may force their ideas on anyone. According to the Constitutional principle of the separation of Church and State, religion is a private matter; it should not be brought into public issues or into the province of government, and it should not be made a part of political movements. Religions have lived in peace with one another and with nonreligious thinkers only since the 19th century, since the American establishment of the principle separating Church and State. Some of them, notably the Catholic Church, have never renounced their dream of regaining control of the State’s power of compulsion. Is this a goal that the advocates of political and religious freedom can support, assist or sanction? If this goal were to succeed, what would become of religious minorities? Or of those who hold no religion? Not palatable at all. ----- Principles for a free society (http://principlesofafreesociety.com/) On 28 April 2010 01:08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> wrote:
Dear Fatma,
You made me ask myself a pertinent question: "Is Kenya really a secular state?"
Almost all political and other leaders mix their religious convictions with their statutory or political roles. From the President, his deputies, coucillors, chiefs, Headmasters, etc religion is apparent in their actions.
We also have different by-laws in parts of Kenya that seem to be based on Islam, Christianity etc in various parts of Kenya.
I wonder if Kenyans should simply be asked to vote for a state religion and make some provisions that accommodate the ''minority'' religions. We'd have a State religion and have provisions on law that protect persons who do not profess that religion.
How palatable is that?
Wainaina
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Wainaina Mungai ----- http://www.bungesms.com http://www.madeinkenya.org http://www.wainainamungai.com
Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared. ~ Buddha~
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Thanks June, We need that made very clear to persons of all religions. The current or future constitutions should also be clear on the separation or Religion & State. Wainaina On 4/28/10, June Arunga <akinyiarunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear WM,
Political freedom requires a separation of church and state. This principle is often advocated, but seldom fully understood. Properly, this separation is rooted in the principle of intellectual freedom. It means that every individual should be free to think about and accept any idea he chooses.
To say that church is separate from state means that the state makes no evaluation of its citizens’ ideas, religious or otherwise. The state’s concern is only with men’s actions, specifically actions that trespass on individual rights. It neither persecutes nor tolerates nor promotes ideas—because it is unconcerned with ideas per se.
From the other direction, to say that state is separate from church, means that a citizen—including any faction of them, such as a church—is incapable of using the state’s coercive power to penalize or support ideas, religious or otherwise. If a citizen wants to hinder or support an idea, he must argue his case with others, not enact a law.
In a free society, government has no power to persecute or establish religious ideas because it has no power to police ideas as such. No one, including those in government, may force their ideas on anyone. According to the Constitutional principle of the separation of Church and State, religion is a private matter; it should not be brought into public issues or into the province of government, and it should not be made a part of political movements.
Religions have lived in peace with one another and with nonreligious thinkers only since the 19th century, since the American establishment of the principle separating Church and State. Some of them, notably the Catholic Church, have never renounced their dream of regaining control of the State’s power of compulsion. Is this a goal that the advocates of political and religious freedom can support, assist or sanction? If this goal were to succeed, what would become of religious minorities? Or of those who hold no religion?
Not palatable at all.
----- Principles for a free society (http://principlesofafreesociety.com/)
On 28 April 2010 01:08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> wrote:
Dear Fatma,
You made me ask myself a pertinent question: "Is Kenya really a secular state?"
Almost all political and other leaders mix their religious convictions with their statutory or political roles. From the President, his deputies, coucillors, chiefs, Headmasters, etc religion is apparent in their actions.
We also have different by-laws in parts of Kenya that seem to be based on Islam, Christianity etc in various parts of Kenya.
I wonder if Kenyans should simply be asked to vote for a state religion and make some provisions that accommodate the ''minority'' religions. We'd have a State religion and have provisions on law that protect persons who do not profess that religion.
How palatable is that?
Wainaina
-- Sent from my mobile device
Wainaina Mungai ----- http://www.bungesms.com http://www.madeinkenya.org http://www.wainainamungai.com
Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared. ~ Buddha~
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June Arunga, 119 W 72nd Street, New York, NY -10023
Tel: (GH) +233 (0) 265-503-727 (US) + 1-347-681-4612 (US) + 1-240-551-7415
-- Sent from my mobile device Wainaina Mungai ----- http://www.bungesms.com http://www.madeinkenya.org http://www.wainainamungai.com Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared. ~ Buddha~
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