Hi Daktri, Your silence was becoming a concern especially with the headline yesterday of an impending reshuffle and or reduction of PSs.   Welcome back, I see you thought this post through as it was not done on your portable gadget. I will respond beginning with the last point, I am a great father and that is not my inflated ego speaking but the opinion of my neighbours.  My children are the opinion leaders in their peer groups, they dictate the groups direction, they are giving the space to speak their minds, they are allowed to defend their positions and have been their own thinkers from an early age. So Dr. Ndemo your daughter will be fortunate to have me as a father in law and your grand children will have in me a great, insightful and broad minded grand father which are essential to the development of mighty leaders. The cost of rent is going up faster in Kenya than it is in China and you can take that as fact not opinion because I am an active player in the real estate realm.  Commercial rent in Upper Hill has rising from 40/- per square foot 5 years ago to 120/- today.   The cost of land in Nanyuki 3 years ago was 120,000/- per acre, an area that is less than 5 kilometres from the CBD, today the price is over 600,000/-, I will not even try bringing up the issue of Kisumu as it is literally obscene. We are not competitive at all in as far as infrastructure is concerned so please lets stop deceiving ourselves on that front, Tanzania is much cheaper and Southern Sudan is more of a blank canvas. As we look at the issue of land and building note that we still build using methods and standards that where used when Buckingham Palace was being built, where the Chinese can build a 500 room hotel in 45 days it would take us 3 years to do the same.   The speed with which they can put up new developments complete with the related infrastructure means that before you finish responding to this post they will have moved 500 kilometres from Shanghai and begun building a new city, complete with an international airport and a high speed rail to Beijing, that will offer rents that are equivalent to one third or less of what we shall be able to offer in Konza in 2015 (you see I can be positive).  The entire City will be ready for occupation before we finish fencing Konza in 2013. On the man power front, we are busy churning out lawyers and administrators clearly we are barking up the wrong tree.  How many lawyers and business administrators where there in the team that launched Apple, Microsoft (1), Google, Facebook, Oracle, Amazon, MPesa, PesaPal, Virtual City . . .  I am sure someone is already writing a response to this but note that the microsofts and googles of this world only brought in the team of lawyers when they where big enough to get sued. Dr. Ndemo it is shocking that you can actual say on an open forum that Kenya is unsafe and that investors should not come until the fenced City of Konza is ready as it will offer a safe working environment.  This is an indication that you have moved to that exclusive 1% sector of society.   From your statement you are actually supporting and confirming what I said in a previous post on this same issue that Konza shall be surrounded by slums as the land around it is being subdivided into 50 ft x 100 ft plots.   As an investor I will invest elsewhere for now until Konza becomes a reality at which point I will apply the wise man's principle "only a fool never changes his mind"  or the political one "in politics there are no permanent friends or foes".   Even Bill Gates, who initially dismissed the Internet as a passing cloud, did not hesitate to turn around and take full advantage of the new opportunity when it became apparent, but he also realised that dealing with IBM however lucrative it seemed on the onset was a marriage best forgotten.  My question to you and the team pushing Konza is , if today it became clear that the project will have no viable economic impact will you be man enough to pull the plug? As I indicated above we build castles which require as few entry/exit points as possible, those in the real estate industry have been fighting for the revision of the the building code since 1987 so as to get rid of requirements such as the 45 degree pitched roof requirement which is essential in countries where it snows. The plans for Konza will not be vetted by any new team of experts it will be the same ones who are approving the plans for what we are building today and what will be built tomorrow.  City Hall Annexe, Nation Centre, TelePosta, Nyayo House and many of the high rise buildings in the CBD are fire traps yet they have had their occupation certificates renewed for this year.  Daktari I ask you,  -  does the kitchen in your house have a fire blanket and extinguisher?   -  do you have approval for the 7 foot wall around your house? -  when was the last time you where involved in a fire drill? If not you are in contravention of the council by-laws and are subject to a fine and instead of us raising issues that have a direct impact on our survival we are keeping the Council in court over issues of parking metres and mobile toilet effluent discharge charges.  I had the opportunity to see the winning design for the campus tower to be developed at the University of Nairobi and it was most wanting.  The intellectual elite at the University still got swayed by pomp and colour like in the case of Konza than function and application of global standards. Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement?  We both listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project?  We need to move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.  Listers please do not get confused with the presentation you are seeing in the media, Konza City is still only a piece of empty land, many of you react to my posts as if I am suggesting that we demolish an existing structure.  The images on TV are a simulation and are not real. We have massive cultural issues, baggage that we shall carry from birth to death unless we face our demons and conquer them we shall not make any progress.  Confucius was Chinese and the Chinese child has grown on the tenets of Confucius we have grown up on the tenets of Wangu wa Makere, Oloibon Lenana, Lwanda Magere and Chief Nikango how can we leverage our cultural heritage to improve our modern lives without trying to ape other cultures?   For example, it has been proven that no African dialect as a word that means "maintenance" as we did not need it, we buried you inside your hut and let it waste away while the Maasai . . . . In closing I will respond to my pet issue of my appointment as post master general, I will start with a quote from the bible "what good can come out of Nazareth, they said".   PCK is lying flat on its back like an envelop (thanks Ntimama), so I agree that if I was already PMG it would be on its knees today on the way to standing up on its own two feet.   Thank you for your confidence, I hope you will act on this as you push at the next board meeting of PCK for my appointment. With that wise crack I clear my cache and exit the loop. Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012, 20:39 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? Robert, Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the organization will be on its knees.  I see no reason for celebrating contradictions of our policy makers.  We have traveled this road before and came through.  You recall the registration of Teams that almost derailed the entire process. Our culture lets us down in every aspect.  We treasure negativity and pray that one falls in every positive step that is made.  When Confucious said, " a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that you should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the opportunities of moving at least one step.  Yes we have seen white elephants but that does not mean we don't try. Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for real estate to rent.  Two months there is not one building in Nairobi that meets international standards.  Large buildings have only one fire escape that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because there is no exit.  Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water sprinklers. Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates more than 300 people.  I could say more.. Konza is not in any threat.  This is our future where we shall create not only employment but a safe work environment.  I would bet that Robert will be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza. In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was another story about the rise of rental cost in China.  A clear opportunity for us to start offering affordable destination and making it competitive through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue Mellon University Partnership). Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere with my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son, I will talk her out of it.  Robert if you continue like this, you will make a bad father in law. Ndemo.

Hi,

Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner = spanner in the works

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.html 

Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

________________________________   From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: 'robert yawe' <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 11:06 Subject: RE: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

Robert   I can’t argue with your points…   We need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to not shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put in place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora on our hands.   Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still to offer solutions to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk Management will be a critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.   Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that..   PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J       Ali Hussein|Managing Partner

Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road P O Box  14556-00100 +254 773/713 601113 Nairobi, Kenya     Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo     From:robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM To: Ali Hussein Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?   Hussein,   Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of 5 years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny parks, until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone fences with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I once swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures.   Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the landscape change.  I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well thought out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today and then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.   All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP, Habitat, City Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry of Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce and many others who could have stopped the carnage.     Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the dailies, and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels to plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100).  We are already replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse, beginning with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy skyscrapers.     The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums and shanties, then we shall have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out of the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments.   Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national projects to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013 we shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support required to make it work?   Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I saw it and you and many might be too young to have lived through the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so maybe you can now better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a nation to control the development of a 5,000 acre piece of empty piece land.   I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong when I have history backing my position.   Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?   Robert   I would like to be more optimistic about Konza. 

What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that isn't what was intended for Konza.   Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)     Ali Hussein Managing Partner Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group  +254 773/713 601113   "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame

On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: @Walu,

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  In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned to an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public.  The statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent for the way forward as relates to government land.   Konza is government land and is and will be governed by the law of the land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to put up a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to tender for its sell.   At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win as we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card.  We will then offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject the offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports.     My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100 and sell them to the public to recover our investment.  Visit the area around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a living and breathing example of what Konza will look like by the year 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth.     That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary to relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley Province.  The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential candidate, what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?   Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains with hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective investors who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning into a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have become stores.   Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while but Konza will be a still birth.     What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions for us?             will the land be sold to prospective investors better known as speculators or leased to investors?             will the government allocate the land to prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?             how long will it take to develop the infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient water, sewerage services and electricity to its residents 200 years down the road?             when the infrastructure is complete and the land allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?             if the first tenant moves in sometime around 2030 will the concept still be viable?             is the rest of Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe and the Maldives sleeping?             once Raila becomes President, after beating a joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he will allow that level of national resources to be spent in that region instead of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents speak fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) and it gave him their vote as a block?   Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players i.e. treasury, ministry of information, ministry of lands, AG's Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President the project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how many flashy advertisements are run by a sub-entity of a sub-entity of a substantial participant in the project.   Walu, in your case which ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an entire self sufficient campus.   Regards   PS.  China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus any other projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status becoming of a City.   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?   @Yawe,

u seem to b on the inside loop on this one.  Konza City, scuttled?  I had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might need guidance on what next?

And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?

walu.

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From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ... To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM Listers,   Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to institutes of education such as Universities who already issue degrees in computer science and the like.   This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being run on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project,    We are aware that all the great software applications developed over the past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip Ochieng recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to change any time soon.   KICT eat in peace.   Regards   PS.  Liko lets go look for something more productive to do with our time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business plans.     Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00 Subject: [kictanet] Weird Things ...   Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational Institution

The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution to launch a Kenyan software development certification

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This thread has very wise discourse. Robert, even after dissing lawyers, you would make a very good one, and its never too late. On 10/02/2012, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't help but like this response from Bobby.

I too can't help but hate the very negative, and perhaps the very first, comment by Dr. Ndemo on Bobby's quest for appointment to the PCK.

As Murigi Muraya posits, Robert has brought up pertinent issues that need to and will be addressed.

I find it odd that almost all the responses to Bobby (sorry, that is what I've always referred to Robert Yawe as) are meant to refute the "pertinent issues", rather than clear the air by laying down the facts "as they are" in the books of those in the "true know" - the people behind the Konza City project.

Personally, I'd love to see the Bobby given a copy of the actual Master Plan for the Konza city and let him run his analysis against it. He can then go on punching holes into it while it's defenders try and seal the same loopholes.

It's better to have an objective debate on this Konza city and so far, I've found Bobby being more objective, even without the benefit of access to the absence of the Konza Master Plan. He's standing on a much firmer ground, IMHO, than his detractors in this debate.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:36, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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Hi Daktri,

Your silence was becoming a concern especially with the headline yesterday of an impending reshuffle and or reduction of PSs.

Welcome back, I see you thought this post through as it was not done on your portable gadget.

I will respond beginning with the last point, I am a great father and that is not my inflated ego speaking but the opinion of my neighbours. My children are the opinion leaders in their peer groups, they dictate the groups direction, they are giving the space to speak their minds, they are allowed to defend their positions and have been their own thinkers from an early age.

So Dr. Ndemo your daughter will be fortunate to have me as a father in law and your grand children will have in me a great, insightful and broad minded grand father which are essential to the development of mighty leaders.

The cost of rent is going up faster in Kenya than it is in China and you can take that as fact not opinion because I am an active player in the real estate realm. Commercial rent in Upper Hill has rising from 40/- per square foot 5 years ago to 120/- today.

The cost of land in Nanyuki 3 years ago was 120,000/- per acre, an area that is less than 5 kilometres from the CBD, today the price is over 600,000/-, I will not even try bringing up the issue of Kisumu as it is literally obscene. We are not competitive at all in as far as infrastructure is concerned so please lets stop deceiving ourselves on that front, Tanzania is much cheaper and Southern Sudan is more of a blank canvas.

As we look at the issue of land and building note that we still build using methods and standards that where used when Buckingham Palace was being built, where the Chinese can build a 500 room hotel in 45 days it would take us 3 years to do the same.

The speed with which they can put up new developments complete with the related infrastructure means that before you finish responding to this post they will have moved 500 kilometres from Shanghai and begun building a new city, complete with an international airport and a high speed rail to Beijing, that will offer rents that are equivalent to one third or less of what we shall be able to offer in Konza in 2015 (you see I can be positive). The entire City will be ready for occupation before we finish fencing Konza in 2013.

On the man power front, we are busy churning out lawyers and administrators clearly we are barking up the wrong tree. How many lawyers and business administrators where there in the team that launched Apple, Microsoft (1), Google, Facebook, Oracle, Amazon, MPesa, PesaPal, Virtual City . . . I am sure someone is already writing a response to this but note that the microsofts and googles of this world only brought in the team of lawyers when they where big enough to get sued.

Dr. Ndemo it is shocking that you can actual say on an open forum that Kenya is unsafe and that investors should not come until the fenced City of Konza is ready as it will offer a safe working environment. This is an indication that you have moved to that exclusive 1% sector of society.

From your statement you are actually supporting and confirming what I said in a previous post on this same issue that Konza shall be surrounded by slums as the land around it is being subdivided into 50 ft x 100 ft plots.

As an investor I will invest elsewhere for now until Konza becomes a reality at which point I will apply the wise man's principle "only a fool never changes his mind" or the political one "in politics there are no permanent friends or foes".

Even Bill Gates, who initially dismissed the Internet as a passing cloud, did not hesitate to turn around and take full advantage of the new opportunity when it became apparent, but he also realised that dealing with IBM however lucrative it seemed on the onset was a marriage best forgotten.

My question to you and the team pushing Konza is , if today it became clear that the project will have no viable economic impact will you be man enough to pull the plug?

As I indicated above we build castles which require as few entry/exit points as possible, those in the real estate industry have been fighting for the revision of the the building code since 1987 so as to get rid of requirements such as the 45 degree pitched roof requirement which is essential in countries where it snows.

The plans for Konza will not be vetted by any new team of experts it will be the same ones who are approving the plans for what we are building today and what will be built tomorrow. City Hall Annexe, Nation Centre, TelePosta, Nyayo House and many of the high rise buildings in the CBD are fire traps yet they have had their occupation certificates renewed for this year. Daktari I ask you,

- does the kitchen in your house have a fire blanket and extinguisher? - do you have approval for the 7 foot wall around your house? - when was the last time you where involved in a fire drill?

If not you are in contravention of the council by-laws and are subject to a fine and instead of us raising issues that have a direct impact on our survival we are keeping the Council in court over issues of parking metres and mobile toilet effluent discharge charges.

I had the opportunity to see the winning design for the campus tower to be developed at the University of Nairobi and it was most wanting. The intellectual elite at the University still got swayed by pomp and colour like in the case of Konza than function and application of global standards.

Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement? We both listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project? We need to move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.

Listers please do not get confused with the presentation you are seeing in the media, Konza City is still only a piece of empty land, many of you react to my posts as if I am suggesting that we demolish an existing structure. The images on TV are a simulation and are not real.

We have massive cultural issues, baggage that we shall carry from birth to death unless we face our demons and conquer them we shall not make any progress. Confucius was Chinese and the Chinese child has grown on the tenets of Confucius we have grown up on the tenets of Wangu wa Makere, Oloibon Lenana, Lwanda Magere and Chief Nikango how can we leverage our cultural heritage to improve our modern lives without trying to ape other cultures?

For example, it has been proven that no African dialect as a word that means "maintenance" as we did not need it, we buried you inside your hut and let it waste away while the Maasai . . . .

In closing I will respond to my pet issue of my appointment as post master general, I will start with a quote from the bible "what good can come out of Nazareth, they said".

PCK is lying flat on its back like an envelop (thanks Ntimama), so I agree that if I was already PMG it would be on its knees today on the way to standing up on its own two feet.

Thank you for your confidence, I hope you will act on this as you push at the next board meeting of PCK for my appointment.

With that wise crack I clear my cache and exit the loop.

Regards

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

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Robert, Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the organization will be on its knees. I see no reason for celebrating contradictions of our policy makers. We have traveled this road before and came through. You recall the registration of Teams that almost derailed the entire process.

Our culture lets us down in every aspect. We treasure negativity and pray that one falls in every positive step that is made. When Confucious said, " a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that you should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the opportunities of moving at least one step. Yes we have seen white elephants but that does not mean we don't try.

Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for real estate to rent. Two months there is not one building in Nairobi that meets international standards. Large buildings have only one fire escape that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because there is no exit. Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water sprinklers. Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates more than 300 people. I could say more..

Konza is not in any threat. This is our future where we shall create not only employment but a safe work environment. I would bet that Robert will be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza.

In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was another story about the rise of rental cost in China. A clear opportunity for us to start offering affordable destination and making it competitive through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue Mellon University Partnership).

Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere with my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son, I will talk her out of it. Robert if you continue like this, you will make a bad father in law.

Ndemo.

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Hi,

Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner = spanner in the works

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Regards  Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

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Robert  I can’t argue with your points…  We need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to not shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put in place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora on our hands.  Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still to offer solutions to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk Management will be a critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.  Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that..  PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J    Ali Hussein|Managing Partner

Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road P O Box 14556-00100 +254 773/713 601113 Nairobi, Kenya   Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo   From:robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM To: Ali Hussein Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?  Hussein,  Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of 5 years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny parks, until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone fences with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I once swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures.  Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the landscape change.  I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well thought out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today and then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.  All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP, Habitat,

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Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry of Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce and many others who could have stopped the carnage.   Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the dailies, and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels to plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100).  We are already replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse, beginning with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy skyscrapers.   The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums and shanties, then we shall have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out of the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments.  Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national projects to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013 we shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support required to make it work?  Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I saw it and you and many might be too young to have lived through the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so maybe you can now better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a nation to control the development of a 5,000 acre piece of empty piece land.  I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong when I have history backing my position.  Regards  Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?  Robert  I would like to be more optimistic about Konza.Â

What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that isn't what was intended for Konza.  Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)   Ali Hussein Managing Partner Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group +254 773/713 601113  "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame

On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: @Walu,

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 In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned to an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public.  The statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent for the way forward as relates to government land.  Konza is government land and is and will be governed by the law of the land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to put up a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to tender for its sell.  At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win as we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card.  We will then offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject

City the

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offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports.   My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100 and sell them to the public to recover our investment.  Visit the area around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a living and breathing example of what Konza will look like by the year 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth.   That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary to relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley Province.  The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential candidate, what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?  Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains with hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective investors who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning into a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have become stores.  Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while but Konza will be a still birth.   What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions for us?            will the land be sold to prospective investors better known as speculators or leased to investors?            will the government allocate the land to prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?            how long will it take to develop the infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient water, sewerage services and electricity to its residents 200 years down the road?            when the infrastructure is complete and the land allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?            if the first tenant moves in sometime around 2030 will the concept still be viable?            is the rest of Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe and the Maldives sleeping?            once Raila becomes President, after beating a joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he will allow that level of national resources to be spent in that region instead of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents speak fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) and it gave him their vote as a block?  Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players i.e. treasury, ministry of information, ministry of lands, AG's Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President the project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how many flashy advertisements are run by a sub-entity of a sub-entity of a substantial participant in the project.  Walu, in your case which ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an entire self sufficient campus.  Regards  PS.  China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus any other projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status becoming of a City.  Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? Â @Yawe,

u seem to b on the inside loop on this one. Konza City, scuttled? I had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might need guidance on what next?

And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?

walu.

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From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ... To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM Listers,  Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to institutes of education such as Universities who already issue degrees in computer science and the like.  This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being run on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project,  We are aware that all the great software applications developed over the past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip Ochieng recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to change any time soon.  KICT eat in peace.  Regards  PS.  Liko lets go look for something more productive to do with our time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business plans.   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution to launch a Kenyan software development certification

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http://www.konzacity.co.ke http://www.konzacity.co.ke/?page_id=2193 (if using google chrome, some site features might not work properly - try Mozilla) On 10 February 2012 10:06, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't help but like this response from Bobby.

I too can't help but hate the very negative, and perhaps the very first, comment by Dr. Ndemo on Bobby's quest for appointment to the PCK.

As Murigi Muraya posits, Robert has brought up pertinent issues that need to and will be addressed.

I find it odd that almost all the responses to Bobby (sorry, that is what I've always referred to Robert Yawe as) are meant to refute the "pertinent issues", rather than clear the air by laying down the facts "as they are" in the books of those in the "true know" - the people behind the Konza City project.

Personally, I'd love to see the Bobby given a copy of the actual Master Plan for the Konza city and let him run his analysis against it. He can then go on punching holes into it while it's defenders try and seal the same loopholes.

It's better to have an objective debate on this Konza city and so far, I've found Bobby being more objective, even without the benefit of access to the absence of the Konza Master Plan. He's standing on a much firmer ground, IMHO, than his detractors in this debate.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:36, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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Hi Daktri,

Your silence was becoming a concern especially with the headline yesterday of an impending reshuffle and or reduction of PSs.

Welcome back, I see you thought this post through as it was not done on your portable gadget.

I will respond beginning with the last point, I am a great father and that is not my inflated ego speaking but the opinion of my neighbours. My children are the opinion leaders in their peer groups, they dictate the groups direction, they are giving the space to speak their minds, they are allowed to defend their positions and have been their own thinkers from an early age.

So Dr. Ndemo your daughter will be fortunate to have me as a father in law and your grand children will have in me a great, insightful and broad minded grand father which are essential to the development of mighty leaders.

The cost of rent is going up faster in Kenya than it is in China and you can take that as fact not opinion because I am an active player in the real estate realm. Commercial rent in Upper Hill has rising from 40/- per square foot 5 years ago to 120/- today.

The cost of land in Nanyuki 3 years ago was 120,000/- per acre, an area that is less than 5 kilometres from the CBD, today the price is over 600,000/-, I will not even try bringing up the issue of Kisumu as it is literally obscene. We are not competitive at all in as far as infrastructure is concerned so please lets stop deceiving ourselves on that front, Tanzania is much cheaper and Southern Sudan is more of a blank canvas.

As we look at the issue of land and building note that we still build using methods and standards that where used when Buckingham Palace was being built, where the Chinese can build a 500 room hotel in 45 days it would take us 3 years to do the same.

The speed with which they can put up new developments complete with the related infrastructure means that before you finish responding to this post they will have moved 500 kilometres from Shanghai and begun building a new city, complete with an international airport and a high speed rail to Beijing, that will offer rents that are equivalent to one third or less of what we shall be able to offer in Konza in 2015 (you see I can be positive). The entire City will be ready for occupation before we finish fencing Konza in 2013.

On the man power front, we are busy churning out lawyers and administrators clearly we are barking up the wrong tree. How many lawyers and business administrators where there in the team that launched Apple, Microsoft (1), Google, Facebook, Oracle, Amazon, MPesa, PesaPal, Virtual City . . . I am sure someone is already writing a response to this but note that the microsofts and googles of this world only brought in the team of lawyers when they where big enough to get sued.

Dr. Ndemo it is shocking that you can actual say on an open forum that Kenya is unsafe and that investors should not come until the fenced City of Konza is ready as it will offer a safe working environment. This is an indication that you have moved to that exclusive 1% sector of society.

From your statement you are actually supporting and confirming what I said in a previous post on this same issue that Konza shall be surrounded by slums as the land around it is being subdivided into 50 ft x 100 ft plots.

As an investor I will invest elsewhere for now until Konza becomes a reality at which point I will apply the wise man's principle "only a fool never changes his mind" or the political one "in politics there are no permanent friends or foes".

Even Bill Gates, who initially dismissed the Internet as a passing cloud, did not hesitate to turn around and take full advantage of the new opportunity when it became apparent, but he also realised that dealing with IBM however lucrative it seemed on the onset was a marriage best forgotten.

My question to you and the team pushing Konza is , if today it became clear that the project will have no viable economic impact will you be man enough to pull the plug?

As I indicated above we build castles which require as few entry/exit points as possible, those in the real estate industry have been fighting for the revision of the the building code since 1987 so as to get rid of requirements such as the 45 degree pitched roof requirement which is essential in countries where it snows.

The plans for Konza will not be vetted by any new team of experts it will be the same ones who are approving the plans for what we are building today and what will be built tomorrow. City Hall Annexe, Nation Centre, TelePosta, Nyayo House and many of the high rise buildings in the CBD are fire traps yet they have had their occupation certificates renewed for this year. Daktari I ask you,

- does the kitchen in your house have a fire blanket and extinguisher? - do you have approval for the 7 foot wall around your house? - when was the last time you where involved in a fire drill?

If not you are in contravention of the council by-laws and are subject to a fine and instead of us raising issues that have a direct impact on our survival we are keeping the Council in court over issues of parking metres and mobile toilet effluent discharge charges.

I had the opportunity to see the winning design for the campus tower to be developed at the University of Nairobi and it was most wanting. The intellectual elite at the University still got swayed by pomp and colour like in the case of Konza than function and application of global standards.

Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement? We both listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project? We need to move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.

Listers please do not get confused with the presentation you are seeing in the media, Konza City is still only a piece of empty land, many of you react to my posts as if I am suggesting that we demolish an existing structure. The images on TV are a simulation and are not real.

We have massive cultural issues, baggage that we shall carry from birth to death unless we face our demons and conquer them we shall not make any progress. Confucius was Chinese and the Chinese child has grown on the tenets of Confucius we have grown up on the tenets of Wangu wa Makere, Oloibon Lenana, Lwanda Magere and Chief Nikango how can we leverage our cultural heritage to improve our modern lives without trying to ape other cultures?

For example, it has been proven that no African dialect as a word that means "maintenance" as we did not need it, we buried you inside your hut and let it waste away while the Maasai . . . .

In closing I will respond to my pet issue of my appointment as post master general, I will start with a quote from the bible "what good can come out of Nazareth, they said".

PCK is lying flat on its back like an envelop (thanks Ntimama), so I agree that if I was already PMG it would be on its knees today on the way to standing up on its own two feet.

Thank you for your confidence, I hope you will act on this as you push at the next board meeting of PCK for my appointment.

With that wise crack I clear my cache and exit the loop.

Regards

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

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Robert, Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the organization will be on its knees. I see no reason for celebrating contradictions of our policy makers. We have traveled this road before and came through. You recall the registration of Teams that almost derailed the entire process.

Our culture lets us down in every aspect. We treasure negativity and pray that one falls in every positive step that is made. When Confucious said, " a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that you should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the opportunities of moving at least one step. Yes we have seen white elephants but that does not mean we don't try.

Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for real estate to rent. Two months there is not one building in Nairobi that meets international standards. Large buildings have only one fire escape that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because there is no exit. Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water sprinklers. Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates more than 300 people. I could say more..

Konza is not in any threat. This is our future where we shall create not only employment but a safe work environment. I would bet that Robert will be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza.

In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was another story about the rise of rental cost in China. A clear opportunity for us to start offering affordable destination and making it competitive through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue Mellon University Partnership).

Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere with my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son, I will talk her out of it. Robert if you continue like this, you will make a bad father in law.

Ndemo.

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Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner = spanner in the works

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________________________________ From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: 'robert yawe' <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 11:06 Subject: RE: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

Robert  I can’t argue with your points…  We need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to

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shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put in place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora on our hands.  Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still to offer solutions to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk Management will be a critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.  Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that..  PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J    Ali Hussein|Managing Partner

Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road P O Box 14556-00100 +254 773/713 601113 Nairobi, Kenya   Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo   From:robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM To: Ali Hussein Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?  Hussein,  Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of 5 years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny parks, until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone fences with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I once swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures.  Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the landscape change.  I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well thought out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today and then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.  All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP, Habitat, City Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry of Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce and many others who could have stopped the carnage.   Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the dailies, and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels to plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100).  We are already replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse, beginning with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy skyscrapers.   The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums and shanties,

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we shall have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out of the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments. Â Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national

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to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013 we shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support required to make it work?  Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I saw it and you and many might be too young to have lived through the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so maybe you can now better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a nation to control the development of a 5,000 acre piece of empty

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 I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong when I have history backing my position.  Regards  Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?  Robert  I would like to be more optimistic about Konza.Â

What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that isn't what was intended for Konza.  Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)   Ali Hussein Managing Partner Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group +254 773/713 601113  "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame

On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: @Walu,

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 In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned to an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public.  The statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent for the way forward as relates to government land.  Konza is government land and is and will be governed by the law of the land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to put up a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to tender for its sell.  At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win as we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card.  We will then offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject

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offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports.   My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100 and sell them to the public to recover our investment.  Visit the area around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a living and breathing example of what Konza will look like by the year 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth.   That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary to relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley Province.  The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential candidate, what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?  Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains with hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective investors who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning into a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have become stores.  Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while but Konza will be a still birth.   What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions for us?            will the land be sold to prospective investors better known as speculators or leased to investors?            will the government allocate the land to prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?            how long will it take to develop the infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient water, sewerage services and electricity to its residents 200 years down the road?            when the infrastructure is complete and the land allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?            if the first tenant moves in sometime around 2030 will the concept still be viable?            is the rest of Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe and the Maldives sleeping?            once Raila becomes President, after beating a joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he will allow that level of national resources to be spent in that region instead of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents speak fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) and it gave him their vote as a block?  Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players i.e. treasury, ministry of information, ministry of lands, AG's Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President

not then projects piece land. the the

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project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how many flashy advertisements are run by a sub-entity of a sub-entity of a substantial participant in the project.  Walu, in your case which ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an entire self sufficient campus.  Regards  PS.  China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus any other projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status becoming of a City.  Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? Â @Yawe,

u seem to b on the inside loop on this one. Konza City, scuttled? I had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might need guidance on what next?

And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?

walu.

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From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ... To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM Listers,  Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to institutes of education such as Universities who already issue degrees in computer science and the like.  This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being run on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project,  We are aware that all the great software applications developed over the past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip Ochieng recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to change any time soon.  KICT eat in peace.  Regards  PS.  Liko lets go look for something more productive to do with our time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business plans.   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00 Subject: [kictanet] Weird Things ... Â Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational Institution

The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution to launch a Kenyan software development certification

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At a Konza City briefing some months ago, the Kengen MD said they have an energy plan for the city. Forgot the specifics. My speculation (this is not what the Kengen MD said) coal mining in Eastern Kenya is going to contribute to powering Konza City. Some Water Authority was there too - talking about supply of water and if I remember well there was also talk of hydro power. Whether Foreigners show up at Konza City or not is immaterial to some of us. They will value add if they do show up. We need to provide a good working environment for Kenyan Technologists. We do not have to build good things just to attract Foreigners. We are the ones living in Kenya. We can love ourselves too. Being 60 Km away from Nairobi City - 20 minutes by train -- Konza City will intitally feed off the Nairobi Metropolitan Area (over 50% of the Kenyan economy at the moment). It also happens to be on Mombasa Rd too and can become a Tourist Point too. In 2007, Eastern Kenya was generally innocent of ethnic cleansing, though they will become more hostile with the influx of ''outsiders". http://www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/58176-cement-company-secretly-ac... Other Technology Parks should be planned / developed to serve Firms wishing to locate in parts of Kenya not too hostile to them. Final note below: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:36 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement? We both listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project? We need to move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.

*I approached Paul Kukubo at the Konza City briefing to ask about Local Universities. Strathmore University was the only one he mentioned as meeting the criteria they have set for Konza City**.*

In view of establishing whether people are in possession of knowledge before they make remarks it might also help to go through the publicly available and well written documents that are/have been available online at:

http://www.konzacity.co.ke/?page_id=2355

Especially the "Summary Document"

Mblayo

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:

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At a Konza City briefing some months ago, the Kengen MD said they have an energy plan for the city. Forgot the specifics.

My speculation (this is not what the Kengen MD said) coal mining in Eastern Kenya is going to contribute to powering Konza City.

Some Water Authority was there too - talking about supply of water and if I remember well there was also talk of hydro power.

Whether Foreigners show up at Konza City or not is immaterial to some of us. They will value add if they do show up. We need to provide a good working environment for Kenyan Technologists. We do not have to build good things just to attract Foreigners. We are the ones living in Kenya. We can love ourselves too.

Being 60 Km away from Nairobi City - 20 minutes by train -- Konza City will intitally feed off the Nairobi Metropolitan Area (over 50% of the Kenyan economy at the moment). It also happens to be on Mombasa Rd too and can become a Tourist Point too.

In 2007, Eastern Kenya was generally innocent of ethnic cleansing, though they will become more hostile with the influx of ''outsiders".

http://www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/58176-cement-company-secretly-ac...

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Other Technology Parks should be planned / developed to serve Firms

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to locate in parts of Kenya not too hostile to them.

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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:36 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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Since it seems people don't like doing homework, here is an excerpt from the Konza Summary document's Legal section that might address some of the property issues already raised: LAND ACqUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT Pursuant to the provisions of the new Constitution, all existing land laws will be revised, consolidated and rationalized and this will significantly affect the manner in which land in Kenya may be acquired, utilised and disposed. For instance, under the new Constitution, all public land (including land owned by the state or state agencies) will be vested in the National Land Commission. The Constitution further provides that public land may only be used or disposed in terms of an Act of Parliament specifying the nature and terms of that disposal or use. It is therefore necessary that the SEZ law grant express powers to the SEZ authority to dispose land acquired by it for SEZ purposes in such manner as it may deem necessary in order to achieve the objectives of the SEZ law. With regard to development of SEZ land, it will be necessary to harmonize the physical planning laws and the SEZ law to ensure that the objectives of the SEZ policy are taken into account in developing regional and local development plans and in granting development approvals. It will also be important to harmonize the roles of the different regulators involved in this process (such as the local authorities, the physical planning department and the Commissioner of Lands). PROjECT DEVELOPMENT The Government intends to develop the project under the PPP Framework. The existing PPP framework sets out an elaborate procedure for the approval of PPP arrangements (including approval by cabinet) and these have significant time and cost implications which will need to be taken into account in planning the project schedule. In addition, the relevant decision makers will need to be satisfied that the project meets the overall objectives of the PPP framework before approving the proposed PPP arrangements. Regarding ownership of the project, it is possible for the Government to transfer the land and the development of the project to a separate entity e.g. a state corporation incorporated under the State Corporations Act and the Companies Act or a development authority incorporated by statute. This entity can then, as a separate legal entity, perform the role of developer or appoint a master developer, and in the future, be able to act as the ‘landlord’ to charge levies and maintain standards of construction and maintenance of the developments. The advantages of this are that a State Corporation can be set up fairly quickly; the project can be run by an autonomous body (although this will still be subject to PPP law, procurement law etc.); the autonomous body can have private participation in the future (by way of shareholders, independent directors etc); and this body can be financially independent from Government (save for the shareholding or ownership of the body by Government). Further consultations and advice needs to be taken if this option is to be considered by Government INCENTIVE FRAMEWORK The SEZ bill proposes various procedural and fiscal incentives. Some of these, particularly the fiscal incentives will need to be incorporated into the existing tax legislation in order to bring them into effect. More importantly, it is important to bear in mind the provisions of the multilateral treaties that Kenya has ratified, as these cannot be easily amended. The other issue to bear in mind is that under the new Constitution, county governments may be able to impose additional taxation over and above that imposed by the national government. In this regard, the national government will need to educate county governments on the general objectives of SEZ program in order to ensure that the taxation policies established at county level do not defeat the objectives of the SEZ program. That said, it could be argued that the SEZ program is a matter of national importance and to that extent any laws passed at county level that are inconsistent with the SEZ law will be superseded by the SEZ law. ---------------------------------------------------------- I would imagine that the above, at a minimum, should at least indicate that a significant amount of thought and planning has gone into this project and that lessons learnt from past "white elephants" have been applied. Nevertheless - as they say - the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let us hope, pray and do our best to ensure that actions related to Konza are well executed. Best regards, Brian On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: plan listened to

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the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project? We need to move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.

I approached Paul Kukubo at the Konza City briefing to ask about Local Universities. Strathmore University was the only one he mentioned as meeting the criteria they have set for Konza City.

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Robert, We have thought about your model but rejected it. It is not for nothing that I have written about our values in this forum. We simply have a weaknesses at managing our resources especially large projects. This is why I needed IFC and possibly a foreign Master Developer in order to deliver the project without the possibility of going to jail. At the moment I am literally wading through politicians wanting "something" from Konza and promising heaven for me. As you know this does not work with the new dispensation. These promises are more true for Kamiti rather that the heavens. In most cases it is the fellow staff you work with that colude with politicians to create the mess. As I write a major local developer is in Australia discussing with contractors there to work on their project. Their previous project was over budget. Thanks to local consultants who coluded with the contractors to create the situation. Do not get me wrong. I want our local consultants too to participate in Konza but we must have a tight institutional framework that benefits all. That is why Tatu City hired Capita of UK to help them in Master Build. Let us spend more time discussing how we inculcate values in our professionalism such that our children may not need the IFCs and foreigners to run their firms. Have a moral day. Ndemo.

Mr. Munyao,

Regarding ownership of the project, it is possible for the Government to transfer the land and the development of the project to a separate entity e.g. a state corporation incorporated under the State Corporations Act and the Companies Act or a development authority incorporated by statute. This entity can then, as a separate legal entity, perform the role of developer or appoint a master developer, and in the future, be able to act as the ‘landlord’ to charge levies and maintain standards of construction and maintenance of the developments. 

It is possible for me to become PMG or President but the question is what is the possibility?  Note that this document was written before the AG made the interpretation about how we can handle government land in addition the national land commission will also have a go at an interpretation.

I would like you to not the following phrase that is repeated a number of times in the table "No Existing Infrastructure", please note that I read the earlier versions of the document and we raised issue then which as usual where deemed as not relevant.

It is good that you decided to try and defend your platform by quoting from the "master plan", I suggest that you avoid a speed read of the document and read every word and take the context in which many of the words are used.  

History teaches us that we never learn from it, look back at the issue of water that was supplied to a flower farm that used to be called Stony Athi, I believe has changed its name to Prima Rosa, directly from a water source around Kilimanjaro.  The residents of Machakos town revolted when they saw portable water being poured on flowers for export  yet their taps where dry, Munyao on what side would you have been on that issue?  

The same situation is what we are creating by treating Konza like an island that is independent of the rest of the area or country.

From the table above and the responses from Dr, Ndemo and his elk indicate that what is being planned here is an Oasis which will have little or no benefit to the surrounding community.  So Mr. Munyao I thing you need to reconsider your stand on this issue and do it on a professional and not emotional level.

Regards

  18 INFRASTRUCTURE  VIP SUMMARY KONZA TECHNOLOGY CITY InfrastructureElementEisting conditionsProposed strateg WaterNo existing infrastructure. Localwater resources inadequate.Offsite major supply source, incorporated within a regional supply scheme. Centralwater treatment works and reservoir storage.Maximise water re-use and rainwater harvesting to supplement.WastewaterNo existing infrastructure.Centralised treatment works using waste stabilisation ponds. Efuent reuse for irrigation. Sludge disposal to agriculture for reuse as a soil conditioner.Storm WaterNo existing infrastructure. Run- off ows to dry rivers. Comprehensive network of storm drains.PowerNo existing infrastructure onthe site.To obtain a 400kV dual supply to the site from an overhead line. This will betransformed to 66kV and 11kV at strategic points around the site.Solid WasteNo existing infrastructure. Identify suitable local site for landll and collection points, develop commercial incentives for recycling and reuse (Energy from Waste) and managed collections inline with the integrated waste management philosophy.Telecoms Good GSM coverage & bre optic cables nearby. New bre optic Access network, providing high speed internet, voice and video connectivity. 3.7 SUMMARy ANALySIS OF INFRASTRUCTURE

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________________________________ From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012, 13:33 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

Since it seems people don't like doing homework, here is an excerpt from the Konza Summary document's Legal section that might address some of the property issues already raised:

LAND ACqUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT Pursuant to the provisions of the new Constitution, all existing land laws will be revised, consolidated and rationalized and this will significantly affect the manner in which land in Kenya may be acquired, utilised and disposed. For instance, under the new Constitution, all public land (including land owned by the state or state agencies) will be vested in the National Land Commission. The Constitution further provides that public land may only be used or disposed in terms of an Act of Parliament specifying the nature and terms of that disposal or use. It is therefore necessary that the SEZ law grant express powers to the SEZ authority to dispose land acquired by it for SEZ purposes in such manner as it may deem necessary in order to achieve the objectives of the SEZ law.

With regard to development of SEZ land, it will be necessary to harmonize the physical planning laws and the SEZ law to ensure that the objectives of the SEZ policy are taken into account in developing regional and local development plans and in granting development approvals. It will also be important to harmonize the roles of the different regulators involved in this process (such as the local authorities, the physical planning department and the Commissioner of Lands).

PROjECT DEVELOPMENT The Government intends to develop the project under the PPP Framework. The existing PPP framework sets out an elaborate procedure for the approval of PPP arrangements (including approval by cabinet) and these have significant time and cost implications which will need to be taken into account in planning the project schedule. In addition, the relevant decision makers will need to be satisfied that the project meets the overall objectives of the PPP framework before approving the proposed PPP arrangements.

Regarding ownership of the project, it is possible for the Government to transfer the land and the development of the project to a separate entity e.g. a state corporation incorporated under the State Corporations Act and the Companies Act or a development authority incorporated by statute. This entity can then, as a separate legal entity, perform the role of developer or appoint a master developer, and in the future, be able to act as the ‘landlord’ to charge levies and maintain standards of construction and maintenance of the developments.

The advantages of this are that a State Corporation can be set up fairly quickly; the project can be run by an autonomous body (although this will still be subject to PPP law, procurement law etc.); the autonomous body can have private participation in the future (by way of shareholders, independent directors etc); and this body can be financially independent from Government (save for the shareholding or ownership of the body by Government). Further consultations and advice needs to be taken if this option is to be considered by Government

INCENTIVE FRAMEWORK The SEZ bill proposes various procedural and fiscal incentives. Some of these, particularly the fiscal incentives will need to be incorporated into the existing tax legislation in order to bring them into effect. More importantly, it is important to bear in mind the provisions of the multilateral treaties that Kenya has ratified, as these cannot be easily amended.

The other issue to bear in mind is that under the new Constitution, county governments may be able to impose additional taxation over and above that imposed by the national government. In this regard, the national government will need to educate county governments on the general objectives of SEZ program in order to ensure that the taxation policies established at county level do not defeat the objectives of the SEZ program. That said, it could be argued that the SEZ program is a matter of national importance and to that extent any laws passed at county level that are inconsistent with the SEZ law will be superseded by the SEZ law.

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I would imagine that the above, at a minimum, should at least indicate that a significant amount of thought and planning has gone into this project and that lessons learnt from past "white elephants" have been applied. Nevertheless - as they say - the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let us hope, pray and do our best to ensure that actions related to Konza are well executed.

Best regards,

Brian

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

In view of establishing whether people are in possession of knowledge before they make remarks it might also help to go through the publicly available and well written documents that are/have been available online at:

http://www.konzacity.co.ke/?page_id=2355

Especially the "Summary Document"

Mblayo

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:

...

At a Konza City briefing some months ago, the Kengen MD said they have an energy plan for the city. Forgot the specifics.

My speculation (this is not what the Kengen MD said) coal mining in Eastern Kenya is going to contribute to powering Konza City.

Some Water Authority was there too - talking about supply of water and if I remember well there was also talk of hydro power.

Whether Foreigners show up at Konza City or not is immaterial to some of us. They will value add if they do show up. We need to provide a good working environment for Kenyan Technologists. We do not have to build good things just to attract Foreigners. We are the ones living in Kenya. We can love ourselves too.

Being 60 Km away from Nairobi City - 20 minutes by train -- Konza City will intitally feed off the Nairobi Metropolitan Area (over 50% of the Kenyan economy at the moment). It also happens to be on Mombasa Rd too and can become a Tourist Point too.

In 2007, Eastern Kenya was generally innocent of ethnic cleansing, though they will become more hostile with the influx of ''outsiders".

http://www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/58176-cement-company-secretly-ac...

Other Technology Parks should be planned / developed to serve Firms wishing to locate in parts of Kenya not too hostile to them.

Final note below:

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:36 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

...

Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement?  We both listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project?  We need to move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.

I approached Paul Kukubo at the Konza City briefing to ask about Local Universities. Strathmore University was the only one he mentioned as meeting the criteria they have set for Konza City.

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Daktari, Yet again you are reiterating my thoughts and fears, what happens next year assuming you are not there to midwife the project and a former Kamiti inmate takes over the reigns of the project? For Konza to be successful we need to realise that it is bigger than anything this country has ever undertaken so when we hand the project over to an already over stretched KICT board to add to its already overflowing basket of activities and do not enshrine it into the constitution we are giving the indication that we are not genuine serious about the project. Konza is not a project it is an ecosystem that will be living and breathing for many years to come therefore we need to be able to visualise it 20, 30 and even 50 years into the future.  I like the advertisement that was on page 19 of the Tuesday Nation on the intention to develop a master plan but my only reservation is that the process should have been better handled under a single umbrella body.   The expected planning it to be done jointly by 3 councils, when Nairobi and Mavoko cannot agree on the boundaries of their jurisdictions do we expect from their smaller siblings? If we take the current 5,000 acres and then include the proposed 10 kilometre wide buffer zone Konza becomes large enough to be a City or even a County. We formed a Ministry to handle issues of the Nairobi Metropolitan why can't the same be done for Konza, I just have this nagging filling in pit of my stomach that you are the only one taking the project seriously and that its continued existence is dependent on your continued participation.  What happens if you accidentally knock your head, God forbid, and decide to run for governor? Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 15 February 2012, 11:30 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? Robert, We have thought about your model but rejected it.  It is not for nothing that I have written about our values in this forum.  We simply have a weaknesses at managing our resources especially large projects.  This is why I needed IFC and possibly a foreign Master Developer in order to deliver the project without the possibility of going to jail. At the moment I am literally wading through politicians wanting "something" from Konza and promising heaven for me.  As you know this does not work with the new dispensation.  These promises are more true for Kamiti rather that the heavens.  In most cases it is the fellow staff you work with that colude with politicians to create the mess. As I write a major local developer is in Australia discussing with contractors there to work on their project.  Their previous project was over budget.  Thanks to local consultants who coluded with the contractors to create the situation.  Do not get me wrong.  I want our local consultants too to participate in Konza but we must have a tight institutional framework that benefits all.  That is why Tatu City hired Capita of UK to help them in Master Build. Let us spend more time discussing how we inculcate values in our professionalism such that our children may not need the IFCs and foreigners to run their firms. Have a moral day. Ndemo.

Mr. Munyao,

Regarding ownership of the project, it is possible for the Government to transfer the land and the development of the project to a separate entity e.g. a state corporation incorporated under the State Corporations Act and the Companies Act or a development authority incorporated by statute. This entity can then, as a separate legal entity, perform the role of developer or appoint a master developer, and in the future, be able to act as the ‘landlord’ to charge levies and maintain standards of construction and maintenance of the developments. 

It is possible for me to become PMG or President but the question is what is the possibility?  Note that this document was written before the AG made the interpretation about how we can handle government land in addition the national land commission will also have a go at an interpretation.

I would like you to not the following phrase that is repeated a number of times in the table "No Existing Infrastructure", please note that I read the earlier versions of the document and we raised issue then which as usual where deemed as not relevant.

It is good that you decided to try and defend your platform by quoting from the "master plan", I suggest that you avoid a speed read of the document and read every word and take the context in which many of the words are used.  

History teaches us that we never learn from it, look back at the issue of water that was supplied to a flower farm that used to be called Stony Athi, I believe has changed its name to Prima Rosa, directly from a water source around Kilimanjaro.  The residents of Machakos town revolted when they saw portable water being poured on flowers for export  yet their taps where dry, Munyao on what side would you have been on that issue?  

The same situation is what we are creating by treating Konza like an island that is independent of the rest of the area or country.

From the table above and the responses from Dr, Ndemo and his elk indicate that what is being planned here is an Oasis which will have little or no benefit to the surrounding community.  So Mr. Munyao I thing you need to reconsider your stand on this issue and do it on a professional and not emotional level.

Regards

  18 INFRASTRUCTURE  VIP SUMMARY KONZA TECHNOLOGY CITY InfrastructureElementEisting conditionsProposed strateg WaterNo existing infrastructure. Localwater resources inadequate.Offsite major supply source, incorporated within a regional supply scheme. Centralwater treatment works and reservoir storage.Maximise water re-use and rainwater harvesting to supplement.WastewaterNo existing infrastructure.Centralised treatment works using waste stabilisation ponds. Efuent reuse for irrigation. Sludge disposal to agriculture for reuse as a soil conditioner.Storm WaterNo existing infrastructure. Run- off ows to dry rivers. Comprehensive network of storm drains.PowerNo existing infrastructure onthe site.To obtain a 400kV dual supply to the site from an overhead line. This will betransformed to 66kV and 11kV at strategic points around the site.Solid WasteNo existing infrastructure. Identify suitable local site for landll and collection points, develop commercial incentives for recycling and reuse (Energy from Waste) and managed collections inline with the integrated waste management philosophy.Telecoms Good GSM coverage & bre optic cables nearby. New bre optic Access network, providing high speed internet, voice and video connectivity. 3.7 SUMMARy ANALySIS OF INFRASTRUCTURE

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

________________________________   From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012, 13:33 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

Since it seems people don't like doing homework, here is an excerpt from the Konza Summary document's Legal section that might address some of the property issues already raised:

LAND ACqUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT Pursuant to the provisions of the new Constitution, all existing land laws will be revised, consolidated and rationalized and this will significantly affect the manner in which land in Kenya may be acquired, utilised and disposed. For instance, under the new Constitution, all public land (including land owned by the state or state agencies) will be vested in the National Land Commission. The Constitution further provides that public land may only be used or disposed in terms of an Act of Parliament specifying the nature and terms of that disposal or use. It is therefore necessary that the SEZ law grant express powers to the SEZ authority to dispose land acquired by it for SEZ purposes in such manner as it may deem necessary in order to achieve the objectives of the SEZ law.

With regard to development of SEZ land, it will be necessary to harmonize the physical planning laws and the SEZ law to ensure that the objectives of the SEZ policy are taken into account in developing regional and local development plans and in granting development approvals. It will also be important to harmonize the roles of the different regulators involved in this process (such as the local authorities, the physical planning department and the Commissioner of Lands).

PROjECT DEVELOPMENT The Government intends to develop the project under the PPP Framework. The existing PPP framework sets out an elaborate procedure for the approval of PPP arrangements (including approval by cabinet) and these have significant time and cost implications which will need to be taken into account in planning the project schedule. In addition, the relevant decision makers will need to be satisfied that the project meets the overall objectives of the PPP framework before approving the proposed PPP arrangements.

Regarding ownership of the project, it is possible for the Government to transfer the land and the development of the project to a separate entity e.g. a state corporation incorporated under the State Corporations Act and the Companies Act or a development authority incorporated by statute. This entity can then, as a separate legal entity, perform the role of developer or appoint a master developer, and in the future, be able to act as the ‘landlord’ to charge levies and maintain standards of construction and maintenance of the developments.

The advantages of this are that a State Corporation can be set up fairly quickly; the project can be run by an autonomous body (although this will still be subject to PPP law, procurement law etc.); the autonomous body can have private participation in the future (by way of shareholders, independent directors etc); and this body can be financially independent from Government (save for the shareholding or ownership of the body by Government). Further consultations and advice needs to be taken if this option is to be considered by Government

INCENTIVE FRAMEWORK The SEZ bill proposes various procedural and fiscal incentives. Some of these, particularly the fiscal incentives will need to be incorporated into the existing tax legislation in order to bring them into effect. More importantly, it is important to bear in mind the provisions of the multilateral treaties that Kenya has ratified, as these cannot be easily amended.

The other issue to bear in mind is that under the new Constitution, county governments may be able to impose additional taxation over and above that imposed by the national government. In this regard, the national government will need to educate county governments on the general objectives of SEZ program in order to ensure that the taxation policies established at county level do not defeat the objectives of the SEZ program. That said, it could be argued that the SEZ program is a matter of national importance and to that extent any laws passed at county level that are inconsistent with the SEZ law will be superseded by the SEZ law.

----------------------------------------------------------

I would imagine that the above, at a minimum, should at least indicate that a significant amount of thought and planning has gone into this project and that lessons learnt from past "white elephants" have been applied. Nevertheless - as they say - the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let us hope, pray and do our best to ensure that actions related to Konza are well executed.

Best regards,

Brian

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:

...

In view of establishing whether people are in possession of knowledge before they make remarks it might also help to go through the publicly available and well written documents that are/have been available online at:

http://www.konzacity.co.ke/?page_id=2355

Especially the "Summary Document"

Mblayo

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:

...

At a Konza City briefing some months ago, the Kengen MD said they have an energy plan for the city. Forgot the specifics.

My speculation (this is not what the Kengen MD said) coal mining in Eastern Kenya is going to contribute to powering Konza City.

Some Water Authority was there too - talking about supply of water and if I remember well there was also talk of hydro power.

Whether Foreigners show up at Konza City or not is immaterial to some of us. They will value add if they do show up. We need to provide a good working environment for Kenyan Technologists. We do not have to build good things just to attract Foreigners. We are the ones living in Kenya. We can love ourselves too.

Being 60 Km away from Nairobi City - 20 minutes by train -- Konza City will intitally feed off the Nairobi Metropolitan Area (over 50% of the Kenyan economy at the moment). It also happens to be on Mombasa Rd too and can become a Tourist Point too.

In 2007, Eastern Kenya was generally innocent of ethnic cleansing, though they will become more hostile with the influx of ''outsiders".

http://www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/58176-cement-company-secretly-ac...

Other Technology Parks should be planned / developed to serve Firms wishing to locate in parts of Kenya not too hostile to them.

Final note below:

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:36 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

...

Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement?  We both listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project?  We need to move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.

I approached Paul Kukubo at the Konza City briefing to ask about Local Universities. Strathmore University was the only one he mentioned as meeting the criteria they have set for Konza City.

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I'm stand on the platform of trying to understand an issue before I comment on it. Seems that thanks to the great information put together by those responsible I can talk as if I am an insider ..... simply because I take time to read ... and think before I speak. Hope this helps, Brian On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:36 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Brian,

Are you by any chance a member of the Konza implementation team because your responses sound more like what we would expect from Mr. Kukubo or Dr. Ndemo?

Just need to know what platform you are standing on, as learnt from what Raila once said about Mungatana, before I respond to your 2 curt responses.

Regards

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>

*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Friday, 10 February 2012, 13:13

*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

In view of establishing whether people are in possession of knowledge before they make remarks it might also help to go through the publicly available and well written documents that are/have been available online at:

http://www.konzacity.co.ke/?page_id=2355

Especially the "Summary Document"

Mblayo

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:

...

At a Konza City briefing some months ago, the Kengen MD said they have an energy plan for the city. Forgot the specifics.

My speculation (this is not what the Kengen MD said) coal mining in Eastern Kenya is going to contribute to powering Konza City.

Some Water Authority was there too - talking about supply of water and if I remember well there was also talk of hydro power.

Whether Foreigners show up at Konza City or not is immaterial to some of us. They will value add if they do show up. We need to provide a good working environment for Kenyan Technologists. We do not have to build good things just to attract Foreigners. We are the ones living in Kenya. We can love ourselves too.

Being 60 Km away from Nairobi City - 20 minutes by train -- Konza City will intitally feed off the Nairobi Metropolitan Area (over 50% of the Kenyan economy at the moment). It also happens to be on Mombasa Rd too and can become a Tourist Point too.

In 2007, Eastern Kenya was generally innocent of ethnic cleansing, though they will become more hostile with the influx of ''outsiders".

http://www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/58176-cement-company-secretly-ac...

...

Other Technology Parks should be planned / developed to serve Firms

...

to locate in parts of Kenya not too hostile to them.

Final note below:

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:36 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

...

Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master

...

...

where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement? We both

wishing plan listened to

...

...

the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project? We need to move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.

I approached Paul Kukubo at the Konza City briefing to ask about Local Universities. Strathmore University was the only one he mentioned as meeting the criteria they have set for Konza City.

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Hi Daktari, Thank you for the frank response to my question but I ask, now that you know what is right why haven't you remedied the situation? I will give you a short story that might better explain why we cannot do what you are proposing as relates to Konza unless we as individuals first change within ourselves. As a technical manager for a IT company many years ago I kept having to inspect equipment for cleanliness as they left the workshop going back to the client as many of times no one took the effort to clean them well a situation that kept pissing me off. While throwing a tantrum about this issue it caught the attention of one of the directors of the firm who called me to his office.  He said something that remains etched in my mind "how do you expect someone who lives in an unclean environment, by your standards, to appreciate your level of cleanliness".  I solved the problem by implementing a procedure on what must be done before any equipment left the premises from the workshop. Daktari, as an individual I believe you share in my faith and must have an appreciation to why a journey of a few weeks took 40 years.  We suffer from institutionalised mediocrity, for example, how does the City Council of Nairobi on one hand say they need to reduce vehicular traffic while on the other hand they insist that when building residential houses be it flats or semi detached one must provide the equivalent of 1.5 parking spaces per unit. From my response to Mr. Munyao, it is clear that Konza shall take resources away from other areas which would mean the project shall not create development rather it shall reassign development that was intended for other areas, what is better known as a zero sum game.  Machakos, Wote, Athi River and Kitengela have perennial water problems imagine how much worse the situation will get once the new City kicks off.   The countries growing demand for energy and water will not stop until after Konza which is the reason why we must incorporate the project into the national strategy and stop trying to built a moated castle - with time the citizenry will build a bridge across. Konza is a great dream, but until all those involved get down from their ivory towers that is all it shall remain.  I have not asked for any remuneration to praise, criticise or make recommendations, instead of paying misguided individuals to try and silence my questions and your taking pot shots at my person why not ask the simple question that I asked Mr. Munyao - for who does he bark?  Lets have a realistic week.   Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012, 19:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? Robert, Thank you for the clarification. When I built my house, the priority was to cover myself against rain and sun shine. Walls and the grills to protect me from any lateral attack. Just like my neighbour I knew nothing about building codes. Today I realize if there is a small fire in my house, I will not save myself. Such naivety should not be replicated in public buildings in this day and age. We must begin to develop global standards buildings. That is why Konza is not just a new city but an exemplar. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® ________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:36:31 +0000 (GMT) To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> ReplyTo: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? Hi Daktri, Your silence was becoming a concern especially with the headline yesterday of an impending reshuffle and or reduction of PSs.   Welcome back, I see you thought this post through as it was not done on your portable gadget. I will respond beginning with the last point, I am a great father and that is not my inflated ego speaking but the opinion of my neighbours.  My children are the opinion leaders in their peer groups, they dictate the groups direction, they are giving the space to speak their minds, they are allowed to defend their positions and have been their own thinkers from an early age. So Dr. Ndemo your daughter will be fortunate to have me as a father in law and your grand children will have in me a great, insightful and broad minded grand father which are essential to the development of mighty leaders. The cost of rent is going up faster in Kenya than it is in China and you can take that as fact not opinion because I am an active player in the real estate realm.  Commercial rent in Upper Hill has rising from 40/- per square foot 5 years ago to 120/- today.   The cost of land in Nanyuki 3 years ago was 120,000/- per acre, an area that is less than 5 kilometres from the CBD, today the price is over 600,000/-, I will not even try bringing up the issue of Kisumu as it is literally obscene. We are not competitive at all in as far as infrastructure is concerned so please lets stop deceiving ourselves on that front, Tanzania is much cheaper and Southern Sudan is more of a blank canvas. As we look at the issue of land and building note that we still build using methods and standards that where used when Buckingham Palace was being built, where the Chinese can build a 500 room hotel in 45 days it would take us 3 years to do the same.   The speed with which they can put up new developments complete with the related infrastructure means that before you finish responding to this post they will have moved 500 kilometres from Shanghai and begun building a new city, complete with an international airport and a high speed rail to Beijing, that will offer rents that are equivalent to one third or less of what we shall be able to offer in Konza in 2015 (you see I can be positive).  The entire City will be ready for occupation before we finish fencing Konza in 2013. On the man power front, we are busy churning out lawyers and administrators clearly we are barking up the wrong tree.  How many lawyers and business administrators where there in the team that launched Apple, Microsoft (1), Google, Facebook, Oracle, Amazon, MPesa, PesaPal, Virtual City . . .  I am sure someone is already writing a response to this but note that the microsofts and googles of this world only brought in the team of lawyers when they where big enough to get sued. Dr. Ndemo it is shocking that you can actual say on an open forum that Kenya is unsafe and that investors should not come until the fenced City of Konza is ready as it will offer a safe working environment.  This is an indication that you have moved to that exclusive 1% sector of society.   From your statement you are actually supporting and confirming what I said in a previous post on this same issue that Konza shall be surrounded by slums as the land around it is being subdivided into 50 ft x 100 ft plots.   As an investor I will invest elsewhere for now until Konza becomes a reality at which point I will apply the wise man's principle "only a fool never changes his mind"  or the political one "in politics there are no permanent friends or foes".   Even Bill Gates, who initially dismissed the Internet as a passing cloud, did not hesitate to turn around and take full advantage of the new opportunity when it became apparent, but he also realised that dealing with IBM however lucrative it seemed on the onset was a marriage best forgotten.  My question to you and the team pushing Konza is , if today it became clear that the project will have no viable economic impact will you be man enough to pull the plug? As I indicated above we build castles which require as few entry/exit points as possible, those in the real estate industry have been fighting for the revision of the the building code since 1987 so as to get rid of requirements such as the 45 degree pitched roof requirement which is essential in countries where it snows. The plans for Konza will not be vetted by any new team of experts it will be the same ones who are approving the plans for what we are building today and what will be built tomorrow.  City Hall Annexe, Nation Centre, TelePosta, Nyayo House and many of the high rise buildings in the CBD are fire traps yet they have had their occupation certificates renewed for this year.  Daktari I ask you,  -  does the kitchen in your house have a fire blanket and extinguisher?   -  do you have approval for the 7 foot wall around your house? -  when was the last time you where involved in a fire drill? If not you are in contravention of the council by-laws and are subject to a fine and instead of us raising issues that have a direct impact on our survival we are keeping the Council in court over issues of parking metres and mobile toilet effluent discharge charges.  I had the opportunity to see the winning design for the campus tower to be developed at the University of Nairobi and it was most wanting.  The intellectual elite at the University still got swayed by pomp and colour like in the case of Konza than function and application of global standards. Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement?  We both listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project?  We need to move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.  Listers please do not get confused with the presentation you are seeing in the media, Konza City is still only a piece of empty land, many of you react to my posts as if I am suggesting that we demolish an existing structure.  The images on TV are a simulation and are not real. We have massive cultural issues, baggage that we shall carry from birth to death unless we face our demons and conquer them we shall not make any progress.  Confucius was Chinese and the Chinese child has grown on the tenets of Confucius we have grown up on the tenets of Wangu wa Makere, Oloibon Lenana, Lwanda Magere and Chief Nikango how can we leverage our cultural heritage to improve our modern lives without trying to ape other cultures?   For example, it has been proven that no African dialect as a word that means "maintenance" as we did not need it, we buried you inside your hut and let it waste away while the Maasai . . . . In closing I will respond to my pet issue of my appointment as post master general, I will start with a quote from the bible "what good can come out of Nazareth, they said".   PCK is lying flat on its back like an envelop (thanks Ntimama), so I agree that if I was already PMG it would be on its knees today on the way to standing up on its own two feet.   Thank you for your confidence, I hope you will act on this as you push at the next board meeting of PCK for my appointment. With that wise crack I clear my cache and exit the loop. Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012, 20:39 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City? Robert, Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the organization will be on its knees.  I see no reason for celebrating contradictions of our policy makers.  We have traveled this road before and came through.  You recall the registration of Teams that almost derailed the entire process. Our culture lets us down in every aspect.  We treasure negativity and pray that one falls in every positive step that is made.  When Confucious said, " a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that you should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the opportunities of moving at least one step.  Yes we have seen white elephants but that does not mean we don't try. Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for real estate to rent.  Two months there is not one building in Nairobi that meets international standards.  Large buildings have only one fire escape that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because there is no exit.  Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water sprinklers. Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates more than 300 people.  I could say more.. Konza is not in any threat.  This is our future where we shall create not only employment but a safe work environment.  I would bet that Robert will be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza. In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was another story about the rise of rental cost in China.  A clear opportunity for us to start offering affordable destination and making it competitive through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue Mellon University Partnership). Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere with my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son, I will talk her out of it.  Robert if you continue like this, you will make a bad father in law. Ndemo.

Hi,

Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner = spanner in the works

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.html 

Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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  From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: 'robert yawe' <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 11:06 Subject: RE: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

Robert   I can’t argue with your points…   We need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to not shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put in place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora on our hands.

Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still to offer solutions to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk Management will be a critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.   Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that..   PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J       Ali Hussein|Managing Partner

Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road P O Box  14556-00100 +254 773/713 601113 Nairobi, Kenya     Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo     From:robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM To: Ali Hussein Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?   Hussein,   Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of 5 years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny parks, until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone fences with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I once swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures.   Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the landscape change.  I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well thought out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today and then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.   All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP, Habitat, City Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry of Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce and many others who could have stopped the carnage.     Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the dailies, and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels to plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100).  We are already replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse, beginning with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy skyscrapers.     The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums and shanties, then we shall have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out of the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments.   Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national projects to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013 we shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support required to make it work?   Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I saw it and you and many might be too young to have

the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so maybe you can now better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a nation to control the development of a 5,000 acre piece of empty piece land.   I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong when I have history backing my position.   Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?   Robert   I would like to be more optimistic about Konza. 

What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that isn't what was intended for Konza.   Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)     Ali Hussein Managing Partner Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group  +254 773/713 601113   "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame

On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: @Walu,

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  In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned to an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public.  The statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent for the way forward as relates to government land.   Konza is government land and is and will be governed by

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land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to put up a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to tender for its sell.   At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win as we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card.  We will then offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject the offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports.     My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100 and sell them to the public to recover our investment.  Visit the area around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a living and breathing example of what Konza will look like by the year 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth.     That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary to relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley Province.  The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential candidate, what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?   Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains with hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective investors who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning into a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have become

stores.

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  Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while but Konza will be a still birth.     What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions for us?             will the land be sold to prospective investors better known as speculators or leased to investors?             will the government allocate the land to prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?             how long will it take to develop the infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient water, sewerage services and electricity to its residents 200 years down the road?             when the infrastructure is complete and the land allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?             if the first tenant moves in sometime around 2030 will the concept still be viable?             is the rest of Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe and the Maldives sleeping?             once Raila becomes President, after beating a joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he will allow that level of national resources to be spent in that region instead of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents speak fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) and it gave him their vote as a block?   Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players i.e. treasury, ministry of information, ministry of lands, AG's Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President the project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how many flashy advertisements are run by a sub-entity of a sub-entity of a substantial participant in the project.   Walu, in your case which ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an entire self sufficient campus.   Regards   PS.  China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus any other projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status becoming of a City.   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?   @Yawe,

u seem to b on the inside loop on this one.  Konza City, scuttled?  I had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might need guidance on what next?

And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?

walu.

--- On Mon, 2/6/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ... To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM Listers,   Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to institutes of education such as Universities who already issue degrees in computer science and the like.   This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being run on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project,    We are aware

  lived through the law of the that all the great software applications developed over the

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past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip Ochieng recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to change any time soon.   KICT eat in peace.   Regards   PS.  Liko lets go look for something more productive to do with our time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business plans.     Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From:Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00 Subject: [kictanet] Weird Things ...   Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational Institution

The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution to launch a Kenyan software development certification

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