Two questions on the proposed ICT law : 1. What problem are we solving? 2. Is it a problem worth solving? Summarised answers to the above will help forge ahead. Best! On Jul 7, 2016 4:07 AM, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

By the way, we do not need (new) legislation to have an organisation that speaks for professionals or any group for that matter. The group just needs to organise themselves under existing frameworks eg form a society or union or association and slowly build a reputation that will earn it the title of the "voice" in that sector. There is no Act of Parliament just for KNUT yet KNUT must be consulted in matters education. KEPSA is not a statutory body and yet if legislation required "a representative from the most representative body of private sector" they would easily qualify. Let existing ICT professionals bodies gain legitimacy in the society through their work, not through legislation.

Regards, On 6 Jul 2016 23:58, "awatila--- via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

#KillTheICTBill just started trending with 11150 tweets.

https://twitter.com/trendinaliaKE/status/750765817957003264

Sent from Samsung tablet On Jul 6, 2016 3:47 PM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Thanks Walu,

What is the way forward on the bill?

Regards,

Alex

*From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views

@Alex, @Muthuri,

Thnx for 'bursting' me @

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...

It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)

Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.

However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.

In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.

So there you have it :-)

walu.

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*From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions

Thanks Alex,

I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.

Regards

On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Alex,

Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.

So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?

Harry

On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...

Regards,

Alex

-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' < muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions

Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."

It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.

Regards,

Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash

-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions

Hey Dennis,

Welcome on board..!

The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.

Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..

Harry

On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Hi Hary,

Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.

Thanks.

Dennis

On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:

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