Re: [kictanet] WhatsApp to Move Ahead with its Privacy Updates
Liz, Ali and Barrack, I would add that what I have seen from Facebook is that they "smelt blood in the water" during the pandemic. There is a bigger picture here. 1. Those of us who are “BBC" (Born Before Computers) can talk of walking away and life continues. But any urbanite born after Windows 95 does not have the “luxury”. The pandemic simply made digital interaction “essential" 2. Facebook has a collective “population” across their platforms of almost 3 billion. Let’s take 10% and assume these will do commerce on their platforms. That is a market the size of the USA or Europe north of the Alps or Nigeria combined with South Africa. 3. For developers, Facebook has introduced things like the Instagram Content Publishing API, which means "Instagram Business accounts can schedule and publish posts to their Instagram Feeds from third-party platforms.” Think integration with ERPs and CRMs. 4. And just like Microsoft and lately AWS, Facebook has created Facebook Developer certification so that one can be a technical expert in Facebook marketing products. <- A job right there that did not exist six months ago. Just keep in mind the market being addressed here. The train left the station, as Barrack said. The potential money the "post BBC” generation on FB and other platforms are likely to make, considering people like Elsa Majimbo, are too tantalising to turn away from. These are the choices this generation has. Either one starves in a country run by thieves or jumps onto the digital platforms and make a life for oneself. Elsa’s dad told her that this “Internet” thing is getting in the way of her studies, considering that she is quite smart. Guess how that conversation went ... Privacy, what privacy? Even if I say I want the contents of my emails to be “private” on Gmail, what I are really concerned about is how Google uses the access to my information in my InBox and how it “secures" it against leakage from "unauthorised” parties. Data “privacy” is concerned with "how data is shared with third parties.” What people are interested in is the security or protection of data, not privacy in the “private” sense. A vast majority on Facebook platforms are going nowhere. Apple is playing the same game here with their “hardware” platforms, just more subtle. Jimmy Gitonga @Afrowave Web : Motion On 23 Feb 2021, 09:31 +0300, kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke, wrote:
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Liz
We have none. We gave away our rights. The only remedy is to walk away...
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:12 AM Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali and Barrack, I totally agree with you.
Lakini why are we only treating it as a matter of individual consent?
Will this become a new trend where tech monopolies will be baiting people with free products to a point their platforms become essential services, then boom! New strange updates.
Where does consumer protection come in.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 08:57 Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> kabisa kaka.
So here's the thing. Wacha nifungue roho as GG keeps on saying.
I have been warning people for years that there's nothing for free. Facebook is a marketplace. And if you are not selling or buying you are the product. Plain and simple. Kwani hio platform ilijengwe na nini (how do you think the platform was built?) We have a saying in Kiswahili -
Ukiona vyaelea jua vimeundwa.
The choice is simple. Put up or ship out. If the Australian government has buckled to the muscle of Facebook who are we?
:-)
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:51 AM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Morning Listers,
Looks like the train already left the station. I have noticed lately that when i discuss a product on Whatsapp, i see it on my Facebook timeline. On the flip side i don't mind the new development since it makes my decision making easier. Siri haiwekwi kwa simu ama namna gani @Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>
Regards
Dear All, I pray you are well. My 2 cents worth is that privacy is an inherent right of every human being but you give up this right when you share yourself on a public platform. The only problem is that the consolidation of that data will result in financial benefit for the social media platform. In this regard social media platforms are like banks that store our money (data), this is then consolidated into a larger capital (knowledge) position and given to borrowers as loans (marketing and research related). Platforms such as these will also create a reality of what the world is for AI systems. The solution to this problem will be a mix of personal renumeration, taxation and other innovative models. In this regard the question that should be answered is legally in Kenya does data of a person belong to that individual or the state (money for instance can be taken back by the state or its value destroyed eg the old 1000 ksh note). We shared a lot of data in huduma and other initiatives; is this data now sovereign property under trust ? Can it be traded for investment into the country. We may find out that all data is state owned. Then Kenya should benefit from its trade. We need only embark on initiatives where these platforms use a distributed data repository system ensuring that they keep that data in country. It would result in the use of the technology city initiatives thus benefiting growth of this endeavor. A block chain consent system could be created with a 2-3 way consent on availability of that data for trading purpose. The country would have the ability to consent approval for sharing this data for trading or not. The best part is that these sovereignty mechanisms can be initiated at any point. Data is like the news and only valuable as long as it’s ‘fresh’. Mine was only to suggest as a Kenyan. Thank you, Sincerely Athar On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:59 AM Jimmy Gitonga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Liz, Ali and Barrack,
I would add that what I have seen from Facebook is that they "smelt blood in the water" during the pandemic. There is a bigger picture here.
1. Those of us who are “BBC" (Born Before Computers) can talk of walking away and life continues. But any urbanite born after Windows 95 does not have the “luxury”. The pandemic simply made digital interaction “essential" 2. Facebook has a collective “population” across their platforms of almost 3 billion. Let’s take 10% and assume these will do commerce on their platforms. That is a market the size of the USA or Europe north of the Alps or Nigeria combined with South Africa. 3. For developers, Facebook has introduced things like the *Instagram Content Publishing API, *which means "Instagram Business accounts can schedule and publish posts to their Instagram Feeds from third-party platforms.” Think integration with ERPs and CRMs. 4. And just like Microsoft and lately AWS, Facebook has created Facebook Developer certification so that one can be a technical expert in Facebook marketing products. <- A job right there that did not exist six months ago.
Just keep in mind the market being addressed here. The train left the station, as Barrack said. The potential money the "post BBC” generation on FB and other platforms are likely to make, considering people like Elsa Majimbo <https://linktr.ee/ElsaMajimbo>, are too tantalising to turn away from. These are the choices this generation has. Either one starves in a country run by thieves or jumps onto the digital platforms and make a life for oneself. Elsa’s dad told her that this “Internet” thing is getting in the way of her studies, considering that she is quite smart. Guess how that conversation went ...
Privacy, what privacy? Even if I say I want the contents of my emails to be “private” on Gmail, what I are really concerned about is how Google uses the access to my information in my InBox and how it “secures" it against leakage from "unauthorised” parties. Data “privacy” is concerned with "how data is shared with third parties.” What people are interested in is the security or protection of data, not privacy in the “private” sense. A vast majority on Facebook platforms are going nowhere. Apple is playing the same game here with their “hardware” platforms, just more subtle.
*Jimmy Gitonga* @Afrowave Web : Motion On 23 Feb 2021, 09:31 +0300, kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke, wrote:
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To: Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] WhatsApp to Move Ahead with its Privacy
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Liz
We have none. We gave away our rights. The only remedy is to walk away...
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
organizations that I work with.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:12 AM Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali and Barrack, I totally agree with you.
Lakini why are we only treating it as a matter of individual consent?
Will this become a new trend where tech monopolies will be baiting people
with free products to a point their platforms become essential services,
then boom! New strange updates.
Where does consumer protection come in.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 08:57 Ali Hussein via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> kabisa kaka.
So here's the thing. Wacha nifungue roho as GG keeps on saying.
I have been warning people for years that there's nothing for free.
Facebook is a marketplace. And if you are not selling or buying you are the
product. Plain and simple. Kwani hio platform ilijengwe na nini (how do you
think the platform was built?) We have a saying in Kiswahili -
Ukiona vyaelea jua vimeundwa.
The choice is simple. Put up or ship out. If the Australian government
has buckled to the muscle of Facebook who are we?
:-)
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:51 AM Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
wrote:
Morning Listers,
Looks like the train already left the station. I have noticed lately
that when i discuss a product on Whatsapp, i see it on my Facebook
timeline. On the flip side i don't mind the new development since it makes
my decision making easier. Siri haiwekwi kwa simu ama namna gani @Ali
Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>
Regards
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Athar, How will FB like the idea of trading data? 🙃Already you're using their platform for 'free'. Your data is how you pay for it. Further, FB is ready to let go small markets if they go too hard on them. Take the case of Australia where they wanted to journalists to be paid for their news feed. Methinks one way we can have an impact is to harmonize our data protection policies as region and act as one. Just like EU. What are the possibilities? @jimmy. I like the public perspectives on privacy that you bring out. You hit the nail on the head. On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 11:35 Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All,
I pray you are well.
My 2 cents worth is that privacy is an inherent right of every human being but you give up this right when you share yourself on a public platform.
The only problem is that the consolidation of that data will result in financial benefit for the social media platform. In this regard social media platforms are like banks that store our money (data), this is then consolidated into a larger capital (knowledge) position and given to borrowers as loans (marketing and research related). Platforms such as these will also create a reality of what the world is for AI systems.
The solution to this problem will be a mix of personal renumeration, taxation and other innovative models. In this regard the question that should be answered is legally in Kenya does data of a person belong to that individual or the state (money for instance can be taken back by the state or its value destroyed eg the old 1000 ksh note). We shared a lot of data in huduma and other initiatives; is this data now sovereign property under trust ? Can it be traded for investment into the country.
We may find out that all data is state owned. Then Kenya should benefit from its trade.
We need only embark on initiatives where these platforms use a distributed data repository system ensuring that they keep that data in country. It would result in the use of the technology city initiatives thus benefiting growth of this endeavor. A block chain consent system could be created with a 2-3 way consent on availability of that data for trading purpose. The country would have the ability to consent approval for sharing this data for trading or not.
The best part is that these sovereignty mechanisms can be initiated at any point. Data is like the news and only valuable as long as it’s ‘fresh’.
Mine was only to suggest as a Kenyan.
Thank you,
Sincerely
Athar
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:59 AM Jimmy Gitonga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Liz, Ali and Barrack,
I would add that what I have seen from Facebook is that they "smelt blood in the water" during the pandemic. There is a bigger picture here.
1. Those of us who are “BBC" (Born Before Computers) can talk of walking away and life continues. But any urbanite born after Windows 95 does not have the “luxury”. The pandemic simply made digital interaction “essential" 2. Facebook has a collective “population” across their platforms of almost 3 billion. Let’s take 10% and assume these will do commerce on their platforms. That is a market the size of the USA or Europe north of the Alps or Nigeria combined with South Africa. 3. For developers, Facebook has introduced things like the *Instagram Content Publishing API, *which means "Instagram Business accounts can schedule and publish posts to their Instagram Feeds from third-party platforms.” Think integration with ERPs and CRMs. 4. And just like Microsoft and lately AWS, Facebook has created Facebook Developer certification so that one can be a technical expert in Facebook marketing products. <- A job right there that did not exist six months ago.
Just keep in mind the market being addressed here. The train left the station, as Barrack said. The potential money the "post BBC” generation on FB and other platforms are likely to make, considering people like Elsa Majimbo <https://linktr.ee/ElsaMajimbo>, are too tantalising to turn away from. These are the choices this generation has. Either one starves in a country run by thieves or jumps onto the digital platforms and make a life for oneself. Elsa’s dad told her that this “Internet” thing is getting in the way of her studies, considering that she is quite smart. Guess how that conversation went ...
Privacy, what privacy? Even if I say I want the contents of my emails to be “private” on Gmail, what I are really concerned about is how Google uses the access to my information in my InBox and how it “secures" it against leakage from "unauthorised” parties. Data “privacy” is concerned with "how data is shared with third parties.” What people are interested in is the security or protection of data, not privacy in the “private” sense. A vast majority on Facebook platforms are going nowhere. Apple is playing the same game here with their “hardware” platforms, just more subtle.
*Jimmy Gitonga* @Afrowave Web : Motion On 23 Feb 2021, 09:31 +0300, kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke, wrote:
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 09:29:52 +0300
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To: Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] WhatsApp to Move Ahead with its Privacy
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Liz
We have none. We gave away our rights. The only remedy is to walk away...
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
organizations that I work with.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:12 AM Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali and Barrack, I totally agree with you.
Lakini why are we only treating it as a matter of individual consent?
Will this become a new trend where tech monopolies will be baiting people
with free products to a point their platforms become essential services,
then boom! New strange updates.
Where does consumer protection come in.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 08:57 Ali Hussein via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> kabisa kaka.
So here's the thing. Wacha nifungue roho as GG keeps on saying.
I have been warning people for years that there's nothing for free.
Facebook is a marketplace. And if you are not selling or buying you are the
product. Plain and simple. Kwani hio platform ilijengwe na nini (how do you
think the platform was built?) We have a saying in Kiswahili -
Ukiona vyaelea jua vimeundwa.
The choice is simple. Put up or ship out. If the Australian government
has buckled to the muscle of Facebook who are we?
:-)
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:51 AM Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
wrote:
Morning Listers,
Looks like the train already left the station. I have noticed lately
that when i discuss a product on Whatsapp, i see it on my Facebook
timeline. On the flip side i don't mind the new development since it makes
my decision making easier. Siri haiwekwi kwa simu ama namna gani @Ali
Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>
Regards
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I agree Liz. The US is Private sector is already going crazy because of all the Privacy regulations coming up because companies would rather comply with one and it applies across the board. One thing we should also note is that Privacy/Data protection is heavily dependent on the Rule of Law and respect of fundamental rights and freedoms of each member state. I feel that we will have the same situation in Africa especially now with AfCFTA. We will need free flow of data across borders and therefore a unified Data protection Legislation.We will definitely have to think of harmonization. Warm Regards, *Joy Wathagi Ndungu* LIPIT- Master's Student Tel: +4917671687803 Email: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Herzliche Grüße, *Joy Wathagi Ndungu* LIPIT- Masterstudent Tel.: +4917671687803 E-Mail: joywathagi@gmail.com Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 at 20:14, Liz Orembo via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Athar,
How will FB like the idea of trading data? 🙃Already you're using their platform for 'free'. Your data is how you pay for it. Further, FB is ready to let go small markets if they go too hard on them. Take the case of Australia where they wanted to journalists to be paid for their news feed.
Methinks one way we can have an impact is to harmonize our data protection policies as region and act as one. Just like EU. What are the possibilities?
@jimmy. I like the public perspectives on privacy that you bring out. You hit the nail on the head.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 11:35 Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All,
I pray you are well.
My 2 cents worth is that privacy is an inherent right of every human being but you give up this right when you share yourself on a public platform.
The only problem is that the consolidation of that data will result in financial benefit for the social media platform. In this regard social media platforms are like banks that store our money (data), this is then consolidated into a larger capital (knowledge) position and given to borrowers as loans (marketing and research related). Platforms such as these will also create a reality of what the world is for AI systems.
The solution to this problem will be a mix of personal renumeration, taxation and other innovative models. In this regard the question that should be answered is legally in Kenya does data of a person belong to that individual or the state (money for instance can be taken back by the state or its value destroyed eg the old 1000 ksh note). We shared a lot of data in huduma and other initiatives; is this data now sovereign property under trust ? Can it be traded for investment into the country.
We may find out that all data is state owned. Then Kenya should benefit from its trade.
We need only embark on initiatives where these platforms use a distributed data repository system ensuring that they keep that data in country. It would result in the use of the technology city initiatives thus benefiting growth of this endeavor. A block chain consent system could be created with a 2-3 way consent on availability of that data for trading purpose. The country would have the ability to consent approval for sharing this data for trading or not.
The best part is that these sovereignty mechanisms can be initiated at any point. Data is like the news and only valuable as long as it’s ‘fresh’.
Mine was only to suggest as a Kenyan.
Thank you,
Sincerely
Athar
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:59 AM Jimmy Gitonga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Liz, Ali and Barrack,
I would add that what I have seen from Facebook is that they "smelt blood in the water" during the pandemic. There is a bigger picture here.
1. Those of us who are “BBC" (Born Before Computers) can talk of walking away and life continues. But any urbanite born after Windows 95 does not have the “luxury”. The pandemic simply made digital interaction “essential" 2. Facebook has a collective “population” across their platforms of almost 3 billion. Let’s take 10% and assume these will do commerce on their platforms. That is a market the size of the USA or Europe north of the Alps or Nigeria combined with South Africa. 3. For developers, Facebook has introduced things like the *Instagram Content Publishing API, *which means "Instagram Business accounts can schedule and publish posts to their Instagram Feeds from third-party platforms.” Think integration with ERPs and CRMs. 4. And just like Microsoft and lately AWS, Facebook has created Facebook Developer certification so that one can be a technical expert in Facebook marketing products. <- A job right there that did not exist six months ago.
Just keep in mind the market being addressed here. The train left the station, as Barrack said. The potential money the "post BBC” generation on FB and other platforms are likely to make, considering people like Elsa Majimbo <https://linktr.ee/ElsaMajimbo>, are too tantalising to turn away from. These are the choices this generation has. Either one starves in a country run by thieves or jumps onto the digital platforms and make a life for oneself. Elsa’s dad told her that this “Internet” thing is getting in the way of her studies, considering that she is quite smart. Guess how that conversation went ...
Privacy, what privacy? Even if I say I want the contents of my emails to be “private” on Gmail, what I are really concerned about is how Google uses the access to my information in my InBox and how it “secures" it against leakage from "unauthorised” parties. Data “privacy” is concerned with "how data is shared with third parties.” What people are interested in is the security or protection of data, not privacy in the “private” sense. A vast majority on Facebook platforms are going nowhere. Apple is playing the same game here with their “hardware” platforms, just more subtle.
*Jimmy Gitonga* @Afrowave Web : Motion On 23 Feb 2021, 09:31 +0300, kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke, wrote:
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 09:29:52 +0300
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] WhatsApp to Move Ahead with its Privacy
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Liz
We have none. We gave away our rights. The only remedy is to walk away...
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
organizations that I work with.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:12 AM Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali and Barrack, I totally agree with you.
Lakini why are we only treating it as a matter of individual consent?
Will this become a new trend where tech monopolies will be baiting people
with free products to a point their platforms become essential services,
then boom! New strange updates.
Where does consumer protection come in.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 08:57 Ali Hussein via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> kabisa kaka.
So here's the thing. Wacha nifungue roho as GG keeps on saying.
I have been warning people for years that there's nothing for free.
Facebook is a marketplace. And if you are not selling or buying you are the
product. Plain and simple. Kwani hio platform ilijengwe na nini (how do you
think the platform was built?) We have a saying in Kiswahili -
Ukiona vyaelea jua vimeundwa.
The choice is simple. Put up or ship out. If the Australian government
has buckled to the muscle of Facebook who are we?
:-)
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:51 AM Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
wrote:
Morning Listers,
Looks like the train already left the station. I have noticed lately
that when i discuss a product on Whatsapp, i see it on my Facebook
timeline. On the flip side i don't mind the new development since it makes
my decision making easier. Siri haiwekwi kwa simu ama namna gani @Ali
Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>
Regards
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Dear Liz, That’s just it. Was it right for the Aboriginal American to be given beads and bear in place of land. The platform is worthless without data; such companies want us to waste time on non-issues such as privacy that will hamper research. The critical discussion should be on Data Sovereignty. In an open society such as Europe, enacting data protection rules is a step towards data sovereignty. They are opposed to companies encashing data without providing compensation to the origin. Data sovereignty needs to be discussed and debated on. Privacy is a meaningless endeavor. If I want to share information let’s say of my visit to the beach to seek the approval of my peers and someone takes my pictures and sells them then it’s a misuse of my intent. A similar law applies to plagiarism. If I get a quote by someone and use it as my own, it’s unethical even if you stored your book / journal on my platform. It’s like ACM taking all posted journals as their own property and selling them for money. The latter will never be allowed so why should social media platforms be allowed to commit a similar breach. They should focus on platform services not snooping and plagiarism. Back to my point of view, if you invite me to your home as a friend and I bring gifts; that does not give me the right to sell your furniture or open your house for others to see it. Look at the subject from a simple perspective and you will see that the platform is meant for communication and not invasion. The latter is a criminal activity. Thank you Sincerely Athar On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:12 PM Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Athar,
How will FB like the idea of trading data? 🙃Already you're using their platform for 'free'. Your data is how you pay for it. Further, FB is ready to let go small markets if they go too hard on them. Take the case of Australia where they wanted to journalists to be paid for their news feed.
Methinks one way we can have an impact is to harmonize our data protection policies as region and act as one. Just like EU. What are the possibilities?
@jimmy. I like the public perspectives on privacy that you bring out. You hit the nail on the head.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 11:35 Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All,
I pray you are well.
My 2 cents worth is that privacy is an inherent right of every human being but you give up this right when you share yourself on a public platform.
The only problem is that the consolidation of that data will result in financial benefit for the social media platform. In this regard social media platforms are like banks that store our money (data), this is then consolidated into a larger capital (knowledge) position and given to borrowers as loans (marketing and research related). Platforms such as these will also create a reality of what the world is for AI systems.
The solution to this problem will be a mix of personal renumeration, taxation and other innovative models. In this regard the question that should be answered is legally in Kenya does data of a person belong to that individual or the state (money for instance can be taken back by the state or its value destroyed eg the old 1000 ksh note). We shared a lot of data in huduma and other initiatives; is this data now sovereign property under trust ? Can it be traded for investment into the country.
We may find out that all data is state owned. Then Kenya should benefit from its trade.
We need only embark on initiatives where these platforms use a distributed data repository system ensuring that they keep that data in country. It would result in the use of the technology city initiatives thus benefiting growth of this endeavor. A block chain consent system could be created with a 2-3 way consent on availability of that data for trading purpose. The country would have the ability to consent approval for sharing this data for trading or not.
The best part is that these sovereignty mechanisms can be initiated at any point. Data is like the news and only valuable as long as it’s ‘fresh’.
Mine was only to suggest as a Kenyan.
Thank you,
Sincerely
Athar
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:59 AM Jimmy Gitonga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Liz, Ali and Barrack,
I would add that what I have seen from Facebook is that they "smelt blood in the water" during the pandemic. There is a bigger picture here.
1. Those of us who are “BBC" (Born Before Computers) can talk of walking away and life continues. But any urbanite born after Windows 95 does not have the “luxury”. The pandemic simply made digital interaction “essential" 2. Facebook has a collective “population” across their platforms of almost 3 billion. Let’s take 10% and assume these will do commerce on their platforms. That is a market the size of the USA or Europe north of the Alps or Nigeria combined with South Africa. 3. For developers, Facebook has introduced things like the *Instagram Content Publishing API, *which means "Instagram Business accounts can schedule and publish posts to their Instagram Feeds from third-party platforms.” Think integration with ERPs and CRMs. 4. And just like Microsoft and lately AWS, Facebook has created Facebook Developer certification so that one can be a technical expert in Facebook marketing products. <- A job right there that did not exist six months ago.
Just keep in mind the market being addressed here. The train left the station, as Barrack said. The potential money the "post BBC” generation on FB and other platforms are likely to make, considering people like Elsa Majimbo <https://linktr.ee/ElsaMajimbo>, are too tantalising to turn away from. These are the choices this generation has. Either one starves in a country run by thieves or jumps onto the digital platforms and make a life for oneself. Elsa’s dad told her that this “Internet” thing is getting in the way of her studies, considering that she is quite smart. Guess how that conversation went ...
Privacy, what privacy? Even if I say I want the contents of my emails to be “private” on Gmail, what I are really concerned about is how Google uses the access to my information in my InBox and how it “secures" it against leakage from "unauthorised” parties. Data “privacy” is concerned with "how data is shared with third parties.” What people are interested in is the security or protection of data, not privacy in the “private” sense. A vast majority on Facebook platforms are going nowhere. Apple is playing the same game here with their “hardware” platforms, just more subtle.
*Jimmy Gitonga* @Afrowave Web : Motion On 23 Feb 2021, 09:31 +0300, kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke, wrote:
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To: Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com>
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Liz
We have none. We gave away our rights. The only remedy is to walk away...
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
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Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:12 AM Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali and Barrack, I totally agree with you.
Lakini why are we only treating it as a matter of individual consent?
Will this become a new trend where tech monopolies will be baiting people
with free products to a point their platforms become essential services,
then boom! New strange updates.
Where does consumer protection come in.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 08:57 Ali Hussein via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> kabisa kaka.
So here's the thing. Wacha nifungue roho as GG keeps on saying.
I have been warning people for years that there's nothing for free.
Facebook is a marketplace. And if you are not selling or buying you are the
product. Plain and simple. Kwani hio platform ilijengwe na nini (how do you
think the platform was built?) We have a saying in Kiswahili -
Ukiona vyaelea jua vimeundwa.
The choice is simple. Put up or ship out. If the Australian government
has buckled to the muscle of Facebook who are we?
:-)
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:51 AM Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
wrote:
Morning Listers,
Looks like the train already left the station. I have noticed lately
that when i discuss a product on Whatsapp, i see it on my Facebook
timeline. On the flip side i don't mind the new development since it makes
my decision making easier. Siri haiwekwi kwa simu ama namna gani @Ali
Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>
Regards
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Reposted as well and rephrased. On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:44 PM Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Liz,
That’s just it.
Was it right for the Aboriginal American to be given beads and bear in place of land.
The platform is worthless without data; such companies want us to waste time on non-issues such as privacy that will hamper research. The critical discussion should be on Data Sovereignty.
In an open society such as Europe, enacting data protection rules is a step towards data sovereignty. They are opposed to companies encashing data without providing compensation to the origin.
Data sovereignty needs to be discussed and debated on. Privacy is a meaningless endeavor.
If I want to share information let’s say of my visit to the beach to seek the approval of my peers and someone takes my pictures and sells them then it’s a misuse of my intent. A similar law applies to plagiarism. If I get a quote by someone and use it as my own, it’s unethical even if you stored your book / journal on my platform. It’s like ACM taking all posted journals as their own property and selling them for money. The latter will never be allowed so why should social media platforms be allowed to commit a similar breach. They should focus on platform services not snooping and plagiarism.
Back to my point of view, if you invite me to your home as a friend and I bring gifts; that does not give me the right to sell your furniture or open your house for others to see it.
Look at the subject from a simple perspective and you will see that the platform is meant for communication and not invasion. The latter is a criminal activity.
Thank you
Sincerely
Athar
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:12 PM Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Athar,
How will FB like the idea of trading data? 🙃Already you're using their platform for 'free'. Your data is how you pay for it. Further, FB is ready to let go small markets if they go too hard on them. Take the case of Australia where they wanted to journalists to be paid for their news feed.
Methinks one way we can have an impact is to harmonize our data protection policies as region and act as one. Just like EU. What are the possibilities?
@jimmy. I like the public perspectives on privacy that you bring out. You hit the nail on the head.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 11:35 Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All,
I pray you are well.
My 2 cents worth is that privacy is an inherent right of every human being but you give up this right when you share yourself on a public platform.
The only problem is that the consolidation of that data will result in financial benefit for the social media platform. In this regard social media platforms are like banks that store our money (data), this is then consolidated into a larger capital (knowledge) position and given to borrowers as loans (marketing and research related). Platforms such as these will also create a reality of what the world is for AI systems.
The solution to this problem will be a mix of personal renumeration, taxation and other innovative models. In this regard the question that should be answered is legally in Kenya does data of a person belong to that individual or the state (money for instance can be taken back by the state or its value destroyed eg the old 1000 ksh note). We shared a lot of data in huduma and other initiatives; is this data now sovereign property under trust ? Can it be traded for investment into the country.
We may find out that all data is state owned. Then Kenya should benefit from its trade.
We need only embark on initiatives where these platforms use a distributed data repository system ensuring that they keep that data in country. It would result in the use of the technology city initiatives thus benefiting growth of this endeavor. A block chain consent system could be created with a 2-3 way consent on availability of that data for trading purpose. The country would have the ability to consent approval for sharing this data for trading or not.
The best part is that these sovereignty mechanisms can be initiated at any point. Data is like the news and only valuable as long as it’s ‘fresh’.
Mine was only to suggest as a Kenyan.
Thank you,
Sincerely
Athar
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:59 AM Jimmy Gitonga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Liz, Ali and Barrack,
I would add that what I have seen from Facebook is that they "smelt blood in the water" during the pandemic. There is a bigger picture here.
1. Those of us who are “BBC" (Born Before Computers) can talk of walking away and life continues. But any urbanite born after Windows 95 does not have the “luxury”. The pandemic simply made digital interaction “essential" 2. Facebook has a collective “population” across their platforms of almost 3 billion. Let’s take 10% and assume these will do commerce on their platforms. That is a market the size of the USA or Europe north of the Alps or Nigeria combined with South Africa. 3. For developers, Facebook has introduced things like the *Instagram Content Publishing API, *which means "Instagram Business accounts can schedule and publish posts to their Instagram Feeds from third-party platforms.” Think integration with ERPs and CRMs. 4. And just like Microsoft and lately AWS, Facebook has created Facebook Developer certification so that one can be a technical expert in Facebook marketing products. <- A job right there that did not exist six months ago.
Just keep in mind the market being addressed here. The train left the station, as Barrack said. The potential money the "post BBC” generation on FB and other platforms are likely to make, considering people like Elsa Majimbo <https://linktr.ee/ElsaMajimbo>, are too tantalising to turn away from. These are the choices this generation has. Either one starves in a country run by thieves or jumps onto the digital platforms and make a life for oneself. Elsa’s dad told her that this “Internet” thing is getting in the way of her studies, considering that she is quite smart. Guess how that conversation went ...
Privacy, what privacy? Even if I say I want the contents of my emails to be “private” on Gmail, what I are really concerned about is how Google uses the access to my information in my InBox and how it “secures" it against leakage from "unauthorised” parties. Data “privacy” is concerned with "how data is shared with third parties.” What people are interested in is the security or protection of data, not privacy in the “private” sense. A vast majority on Facebook platforms are going nowhere. Apple is playing the same game here with their “hardware” platforms, just more subtle.
*Jimmy Gitonga* @Afrowave Web : Motion On 23 Feb 2021, 09:31 +0300, kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke, wrote:
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 09:29:52 +0300
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To: Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] WhatsApp to Move Ahead with its Privacy
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Liz
We have none. We gave away our rights. The only remedy is to walk away...
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
organizations that I work with.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:12 AM Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali and Barrack, I totally agree with you.
Lakini why are we only treating it as a matter of individual consent?
Will this become a new trend where tech monopolies will be baiting people
with free products to a point their platforms become essential services,
then boom! New strange updates.
Where does consumer protection come in.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 08:57 Ali Hussein via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> kabisa kaka.
So here's the thing. Wacha nifungue roho as GG keeps on saying.
I have been warning people for years that there's nothing for free.
Facebook is a marketplace. And if you are not selling or buying you are the
product. Plain and simple. Kwani hio platform ilijengwe na nini (how do you
think the platform was built?) We have a saying in Kiswahili -
Ukiona vyaelea jua vimeundwa.
The choice is simple. Put up or ship out. If the Australian government
has buckled to the muscle of Facebook who are we?
:-)
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 8:51 AM Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Morning Listers,
>
> Looks like the train already left the station. I have noticed lately
> that when i discuss a product on Whatsapp, i see it on my Facebook
> timeline. On the flip side i don't mind the new development since it makes
> my decision making easier. Siri haiwekwi kwa simu ama namna gani @Ali
> Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>
>
> Regards
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Best regards,
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Skype: atharab
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