COFEK: Formalin in Milk
I know milk has nothing to do with ICT but i shared this concern with COFEK and they ignored it. Which consumers or issues do COFEK prefer to deal with? Just asking for those saying they act for the public...... *See more below.. * *Summary*: ======================================================================================================= Dear Stephen, I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers. Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death. US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents. Can COFEK try and investigate this. With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true. Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer. I am sure you are also consuming these products every day. Regards, Muthoni ======================================================================================================= ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk To: hotline@cofek.co.ke Cc: jack juma <jack@cofek.co.ke>, Theresia Watowa <theresia@cofek.co.ke> Sorry, what else do you want to know? This last line is not clear. On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) < hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
** Ok but can we know who you please Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> *Date: *Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:39:53 +0300 *To: *<hotline@cofek.co.ke> *Cc: *jack juma<jack@cofek.co.ke>; Theresia Watowa<theresia@cofek.co.ke> *Subject: *Re: Formalin in Milk
Stephen,
I don't have evidence but Kenya Accreditation Service (KENAS) and KEBS should be able to provide accountability because the milk producers are all showing the KEBS logo for quality.
I am a layman in this, just very concerned about because presentations are coming from health and nutrition experts talking about this.
Please try and see what you can do for the consumer.
Many thanks, Muthoni
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) < hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
** It is being acted upon although you never provided any facts and supporting evidence Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> *Date: *Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:27:10 +0300 *To: *<hotline@cofek.co.ke> *Cc: *<stephen@cofek.co.ke> *Subject: *Re: Formalin in Milk
Dear Stephen,
I thought COFEK would acknowledge receipt if this email and say whether is an area you will look into or not.
Regards, Muthoni
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards,
Muthoni
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
Personally, I think COFEK is not the right organization to deal with issues like this. We are not going to send COFEK after every food manufacturer or any other manufacturers when the issues at hand *are not* those that are perceived to exploit (for lack of a better word) the consumer's rights. I also don't think we should be referring all red herrings to COFEK because if we do, it will lose it's main focus which is consumer protection. I am not an advocate for COFEK, but by bringing up this issue here, I can sense some witch-hunt against COFEK. Let's start by appraising ourselves with what COFEK defines as its mandate. Only then can we know what exactly needs to be referred to them. This Milk issue is a matter of public health and we have a whole ministry handling that. Just my though. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I know milk has nothing to do with ICT but i shared this concern with COFEK and they ignored it. Which consumers or issues do COFEK prefer to deal with? Just asking for those saying they act for the public......
*See more below.. *
*Summary*:
======================================================================================================= Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards,
Muthoni
=======================================================================================================
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk To: hotline@cofek.co.ke Cc: jack juma <jack@cofek.co.ke>, Theresia Watowa <theresia@cofek.co.ke>
Sorry, what else do you want to know? This last line is not clear.
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) < hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
** Ok but can we know who you please Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> *Date: *Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:39:53 +0300 *To: *<hotline@cofek.co.ke> *Cc: *jack juma<jack@cofek.co.ke>; Theresia Watowa<theresia@cofek.co.ke> *Subject: *Re: Formalin in Milk
Stephen,
I don't have evidence but Kenya Accreditation Service (KENAS) and KEBS should be able to provide accountability because the milk producers are all showing the KEBS logo for quality.
I am a layman in this, just very concerned about because presentations are coming from health and nutrition experts talking about this.
Please try and see what you can do for the consumer.
Many thanks, Muthoni
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) < hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
** It is being acted upon although you never provided any facts and supporting evidence Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> *Date: *Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:27:10 +0300 *To: *<hotline@cofek.co.ke> *Cc: *<stephen@cofek.co.ke> *Subject: *Re: Formalin in Milk
Dear Stephen,
I thought COFEK would acknowledge receipt if this email and say whether is an area you will look into or not.
Regards, Muthoni
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards,
Muthoni
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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Washington, I think you missed the point here. Such issues should not only interest the state (and its various agencies, e.g. Ministries of Health, public health agencies, KEBS etc.) but also Cofek as a consumer group. Such issues may seem mundane but they can have a great impact on people's health. We remember not long ago that contaminated milk caused the death of a number of children in China. Cofek should definitely be interested in this issue. George Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00 Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58 george@afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 – 21 June 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I think COFEK is not the right organization to deal with issues like this. We are not going to send COFEK after every food manufacturer or any other manufacturers when the issues at hand are not those that are perceived to exploit (for lack of a better word) the consumer's rights. I also don't think we should be referring all red herrings to COFEK because if we do, it will lose it's main focus which is consumer protection. I am not an advocate for COFEK, but by bringing up this issue here, I can sense some witch-hunt against COFEK. Let's start by appraising ourselves with what COFEK defines as its mandate. Only then can we know what exactly needs to be referred to them.
This Milk issue is a matter of public health and we have a whole ministry handling that.
Just my though.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: I know milk has nothing to do with ICT but i shared this concern with COFEK and they ignored it. Which consumers or issues do COFEK prefer to deal with? Just asking for those saying they act for the public......
See more below..
Summary: ======================================================================================================= Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards, Muthoni
=======================================================================================================
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk To: hotline@cofek.co.ke Cc: jack juma <jack@cofek.co.ke>, Theresia Watowa <theresia@cofek.co.ke>
Sorry, what else do you want to know? This last line is not clear.
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) <hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote: Ok but can we know who you please Sent from my BlackBerry® From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:39:53 +0300 To: <hotline@cofek.co.ke> Cc: jack juma<jack@cofek.co.ke>; Theresia Watowa<theresia@cofek.co.ke> Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk
Stephen,
I don't have evidence but Kenya Accreditation Service (KENAS) and KEBS should be able to provide accountability because the milk producers are all showing the KEBS logo for quality.
I am a layman in this, just very concerned about because presentations are coming from health and nutrition experts talking about this.
Please try and see what you can do for the consumer.
Many thanks, Muthoni
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) <hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote: It is being acted upon although you never provided any facts and supporting evidence Sent from my BlackBerry® From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:27:10 +0300 To: <hotline@cofek.co.ke> Cc: <stephen@cofek.co.ke> Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk
Dear Stephen,
I thought COFEK would acknowledge receipt if this email and say whether is an area you will look into or not.
Regards, Muthoni
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards, Muthoni
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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I do agree that COFEK should have interest in this, but they should by no means the first point of contact to deal with a public health issue. Should we pin down COFEK to everything and ignore those charged with the responsibilities?? Well, COFEK should go after KPLC for not delivering on their mandate - too much blackouts! On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 5:50 PM, George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> wrote:
Washington, I think you missed the point here. Such issues should not only interest the state (and its various agencies, e.g. Ministries of Health, public health agencies, KEBS etc.) but also Cofek as a consumer group. Such issues may seem mundane but they can have a great impact on people's health. We remember not long ago that contaminated milk caused the death of a number of children in China.
Cofek should definitely be interested in this issue.
George
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On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I think COFEK is not the right organization to deal with issues like this. We are not going to send COFEK after every food manufacturer or any other manufacturers when the issues at hand *are not*those that are perceived to exploit (for lack of a better word) the consumer's rights. I also don't think we should be referring all red herrings to COFEK because if we do, it will lose it's main focus which is consumer protection. I am not an advocate for COFEK, but by bringing up this issue here, I can sense some witch-hunt against COFEK. Let's start by appraising ourselves with what COFEK defines as its mandate. Only then can we know what exactly needs to be referred to them.
This Milk issue is a matter of public health and we have a whole ministry handling that.
Just my though.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I know milk has nothing to do with ICT but i shared this concern with COFEK and they ignored it. Which consumers or issues do COFEK prefer to deal with? Just asking for those saying they act for the public......
*See more below.. *
*Summary*:
======================================================================================================= Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards, Muthoni
=======================================================================================================
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk To: hotline@cofek.co.ke Cc: jack juma <jack@cofek.co.ke>, Theresia Watowa <theresia@cofek.co.ke>
Sorry, what else do you want to know? This last line is not clear.
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) < hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
** Ok but can we know who you please Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> *Date: *Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:39:53 +0300 *To: *<hotline@cofek.co.ke> *Cc: *jack juma<jack@cofek.co.ke>; Theresia Watowa<theresia@cofek.co.ke> *Subject: *Re: Formalin in Milk
Stephen,
I don't have evidence but Kenya Accreditation Service (KENAS) and KEBS should be able to provide accountability because the milk producers are all showing the KEBS logo for quality.
I am a layman in this, just very concerned about because presentations are coming from health and nutrition experts talking about this.
Please try and see what you can do for the consumer.
Many thanks, Muthoni
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) < hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
** It is being acted upon although you never provided any facts and supporting evidence Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> *Date: *Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:27:10 +0300 *To: *<hotline@cofek.co.ke> *Cc: *<stephen@cofek.co.ke> *Subject: *Re: Formalin in Milk
Dear Stephen,
I thought COFEK would acknowledge receipt if this email and say whether is an area you will look into or not.
Regards, Muthoni
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards, Muthoni
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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* "As such, our work emphasizes the need for a conducive environment to allow for competitive trade and business. We strongly believe that what is good for the consumer is good for business. We fight monopolies and price control tendencies. We fight counterfeits and unfair business practices. We sound alerts on market recalls. All in all, we yearn to see the 100% restoration of consumer pride and confidence in Kenya!" I got the above from the COFEK website under the who we are page. The issue raised here is well within the mandate of the privately run organization as the self appointed guardian of the consumer. That there was no reply to Dorcas on whether the issue concerning the formalin is something they can deal with points to a preferential treatment of affairs that should be worrying. Is COFEK only after big fish/big money operations? Or is it maximum exposure scenarios? Claiming to be a consumer oriented organization should mean you are accountable to them no? * On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Personally, I think COFEK is not the right organization to deal with issues like this. We are not going to send COFEK after every food manufacturer or any other manufacturers when the issues at hand *are not*those that are perceived to exploit (for lack of a better word) the consumer's rights. I also don't think we should be referring all red herrings to COFEK because if we do, it will lose it's main focus which is consumer protection. I am not an advocate for COFEK, but by bringing up this issue here, I can sense some witch-hunt against COFEK. Let's start by appraising ourselves with what COFEK defines as its mandate. Only then can we know what exactly needs to be referred to them.
This Milk issue is a matter of public health and we have a whole ministry handling that.
Just my though.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I know milk has nothing to do with ICT but i shared this concern with COFEK and they ignored it. Which consumers or issues do COFEK prefer to deal with? Just asking for those saying they act for the public......
*See more below.. *
*Summary*:
======================================================================================================= Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards,
Muthoni
=======================================================================================================
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk To: hotline@cofek.co.ke Cc: jack juma <jack@cofek.co.ke>, Theresia Watowa <theresia@cofek.co.ke>
Sorry, what else do you want to know? This last line is not clear.
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) < hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
** Ok but can we know who you please Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> *Date: *Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:39:53 +0300 *To: *<hotline@cofek.co.ke> *Cc: *jack juma<jack@cofek.co.ke>; Theresia Watowa<theresia@cofek.co.ke> *Subject: *Re: Formalin in Milk
Stephen,
I don't have evidence but Kenya Accreditation Service (KENAS) and KEBS should be able to provide accountability because the milk producers are all showing the KEBS logo for quality.
I am a layman in this, just very concerned about because presentations are coming from health and nutrition experts talking about this.
Please try and see what you can do for the consumer.
Many thanks, Muthoni
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) < hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
** It is being acted upon although you never provided any facts and supporting evidence Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> *Date: *Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:27:10 +0300 *To: *<hotline@cofek.co.ke> *Cc: *<stephen@cofek.co.ke> *Subject: *Re: Formalin in Milk
Dear Stephen,
I thought COFEK would acknowledge receipt if this email and say whether is an area you will look into or not.
Regards, Muthoni
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards,
Muthoni
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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Thanks and Hi Mark, George, Washington and Muthoni: I replied to Muthoni separately and offlist. That we are discussing "formalin in milk" on a respected ICT mailing list confirms some of our inherent fears but we will not get there. Yes, it is within our broad (policy) mandate. But as I am sure most listers refer ICT issues to the regulator (CCK) first and/or seek his opinion, and considering our capacity challenge (not funded by taxpayer), it will also be only fair that people who complain about our services first check with regulators (Kenya Dairy Board in this case) before they refer matters to us. Again, reporting an alarmist issue with no iota of evidence - and asking us to "investigate" - from the unknown to the known - can only go as far as referring to the competent bodies. Why? We have no laboratory of our own and no surplus funds to start sampling all milk for formalin - as the complainant in this case never even pointed us to the geographical area or company that could have been importing contaminated milk. Nonetheless our Consumer Dialogue Forum 4 on September 12 at Intercontinental on food additives raised this issue. The Chief Public Health Officer Dr Ombacho who was present discounted the fears. If you were in our shoes, just how far could you go? At Cofek, we receive all manners of complaints as complex as the National Surveillance Communication Command and Control Sytems tender http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1344%3Afears-on-national-surveillance-communication-command-and-control-systems-tender&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60 ) or the African Gas & Oil Ltd LPG facility plant (http://www.cofek.co.ke/Agol%20Liquefied%20Petroleum%20Gas%20Project.pdf ) or aspartame (sweetener in sugar-free drinks) to easier ones such as visible impurities in drinks and food. We will continue appreciating the genuine bashing but we request listers to be fair to our cause. Perhaps, it might help if listers appreciated that some of the comments they make here are not immune to legal action against them as individuals. And perhaps, the listing may need to consider some form of moderation of some of the messages which the PS for Information and Communications would be tempted to classify as "hate speech" Good evening ... Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke ________________________________ From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] COFEK: Formalin in Milk "As such, our work emphasizes the need for a conducive environment to allow for competitive trade and business. We strongly believe that what is good for the consumer is good for business. We fight monopolies and price control tendencies. We fight counterfeits and unfair business practices. We sound alerts on market recalls. All in all, we yearn to see the 100% restoration of consumer pride and confidence in Kenya!" I got the above from the COFEK website under the who we are page. The issue raised here is well within the mandate of the privately run organization as the self appointed guardian of the consumer. That there was no reply to Dorcas on whether the issue concerning the formalin is something they can deal with points to a preferential treatment of affairs that should be worrying. Is COFEK only after big fish/big money operations? Or is it maximum exposure scenarios? Claiming to be a consumer oriented organization should mean you are accountable to them no? On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: Personally, I think COFEK is not the right organization to deal with issues like this. We are not going to send COFEK after every food manufacturer or any other manufacturers when the issues at hand are not those that are perceived to exploit (for lack of a better word) the consumer's rights.
I also don't think we should be referring all red herrings to COFEK because if we do, it will lose it's main focus which is consumer protection. I am not an advocate for COFEK, but by bringing up this issue here, I can sense some witch-hunt against COFEK. Let's start by appraising ourselves with what COFEK defines as its mandate. Only then can we know what exactly needs to be referred to them.
This Milk issue is a matter of public health and we have a whole ministry handling that.
Just my though.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I know milk has nothing to do with ICT but i shared this concern with COFEK and they ignored it. Which consumers or issues do COFEK prefer to deal with? Just asking for those saying they act for the public......
See more below..
Summary: ======================================================================================================= Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards, Muthoni
=======================================================================================================
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk To: hotline@cofek.co.ke Cc: jack juma <jack@cofek.co.ke>, Theresia Watowa <theresia@cofek.co.ke>
Sorry, what else do you want to know? This last line is not clear.
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) <hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
Ok but can we know who you please
Sent from my BlackBerry® ________________________________
From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:39:53 +0300 To: <hotline@cofek.co.ke> Cc: jack juma<jack@cofek.co.ke>; Theresia Watowa<theresia@cofek.co.ke> Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk
Stephen,
I don't have evidence but Kenya Accreditation Service (KENAS) and KEBS should be able to provide accountability because the milk producers are all showing the KEBS logo for quality.
I am a layman in this, just very concerned about because presentations are coming from health and nutrition experts talking about this.
Please try and see what you can do for the consumer.
Many thanks, Muthoni
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) <hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
It is being acted upon although you never provided any facts and supporting evidence
Sent from my BlackBerry® ________________________________
From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:27:10 +0300 To: <hotline@cofek.co.ke> Cc: <stephen@cofek.co.ke> Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk
Dear Stephen,
I thought COFEK would acknowledge receipt if this email and say whether is an area you will look into or not.
Regards, Muthoni
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards, Muthoni
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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Sorry this has the right link on National Surveillance Communication Command and Control Sytems tender row; http://www.cofek.co.ke/Huawei,ZTE%20in%20Court%20Battle%20over%20Police%20Te... ________________________________ From: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] COFEK: Formalin in Milk Thanks and Hi Mark, George, Washington and Muthoni: I replied to Muthoni separately and offlist. That we are discussing "formalin in milk" on a respected ICT mailing list confirms some of our inherent fears but we will not get there. Yes, it is within our broad (policy) mandate. But as I am sure most listers refer ICT issues to the regulator (CCK) first and/or seek his opinion, and considering our capacity challenge (not funded by taxpayer), it will also be only fair that people who complain about our services first check with regulators (Kenya Dairy Board in this case) before they refer matters to us. Again, reporting an alarmist issue with no iota of evidence - and asking us to "investigate" - from the unknown to the known - can only go as far as referring to the competent bodies. Why? We have no laboratory of our own and no surplus funds to start sampling all milk for formalin - as the complainant in this case never even pointed us to the geographical area or company that could have been importing contaminated milk. Nonetheless our Consumer Dialogue Forum 4 on September 12 at Intercontinental on food additives raised this issue. The Chief Public Health Officer Dr Ombacho who was present discounted the fears. If you were in our shoes, just how far could you go? At Cofek, we receive all manners of complaints as complex as the National Surveillance Communication Command and Control Sytems tender http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1344%3Afears-on-national-surveillance-communication-command-and-control-systems-tender&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60 ) or the African Gas & Oil Ltd LPG facility plant (http://www.cofek.co.ke/Agol%20Liquefied%20Petroleum%20Gas%20Project.pdf ) or aspartame (sweetener in sugar-free drinks) to easier ones such as visible impurities in drinks and food. We will continue appreciating the genuine bashing but we request listers to be fair to our cause. Perhaps, it might help if listers appreciated that some of the comments they make here are not immune to legal action against them as individuals. And perhaps, the listing may need to consider some form of moderation of some of the messages which the PS for Information and Communications would be tempted to classify as "hate speech" Good evening ... Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke ________________________________ From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] COFEK: Formalin in Milk "As such, our work emphasizes the need for a conducive environment to allow for competitive trade and business. We strongly believe that what is good for the consumer is good for business. We fight monopolies and price control tendencies. We fight counterfeits and unfair business practices. We sound alerts on market recalls. All in all, we yearn to see the 100% restoration of consumer pride and confidence in Kenya!" I got the above from the COFEK website under the who we are page. The issue raised here is well within the mandate of the privately run organization as the self appointed guardian of the consumer. That there was no reply to Dorcas on whether the issue concerning the formalin is something they can deal with points to a preferential treatment of affairs that should be worrying. Is COFEK only after big fish/big money operations? Or is it maximum exposure scenarios? Claiming to be a consumer oriented organization should mean you are accountable to them no? On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: Personally, I think COFEK is not the right organization to deal with issues like this. We are not going to send COFEK after every food manufacturer or any other manufacturers when the issues at hand are not those that are perceived to exploit (for lack of a better word) the consumer's rights.
I also don't think we should be referring all red herrings to COFEK because if we do, it will lose it's main focus which is consumer protection. I am not an advocate for COFEK, but by bringing up this issue here, I can sense some witch-hunt against COFEK. Let's start by appraising ourselves with what COFEK defines as its mandate. Only then can we know what exactly needs to be referred to them.
This Milk issue is a matter of public health and we have a whole ministry handling that.
Just my though.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I know milk has nothing to do with ICT but i shared this concern with COFEK and they ignored it. Which consumers or issues do COFEK prefer to deal with? Just asking for those saying they act for the public......
See more below..
Summary: ======================================================================================================= Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards, Muthoni
=======================================================================================================
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk To: hotline@cofek.co.ke Cc: jack juma <jack@cofek.co.ke>, Theresia Watowa <theresia@cofek.co.ke>
Sorry, what else do you want to know? This last line is not clear.
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) <hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
Ok but can we know who you please
Sent from my BlackBerry® ________________________________
From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:39:53 +0300 To: <hotline@cofek.co.ke> Cc: jack juma<jack@cofek.co.ke>; Theresia Watowa<theresia@cofek.co.ke> Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk
Stephen,
I don't have evidence but Kenya Accreditation Service (KENAS) and KEBS should be able to provide accountability because the milk producers are all showing the KEBS logo for quality.
I am a layman in this, just very concerned about because presentations are coming from health and nutrition experts talking about this.
Please try and see what you can do for the consumer.
Many thanks, Muthoni
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) <hotline@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
It is being acted upon although you never provided any facts and supporting evidence
Sent from my BlackBerry® ________________________________
From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:27:10 +0300 To: <hotline@cofek.co.ke> Cc: <stephen@cofek.co.ke> Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk
Dear Stephen,
I thought COFEK would acknowledge receipt if this email and say whether is an area you will look into or not.
Regards, Muthoni
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Stephen,
I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.
Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.
US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.
Can COFEK try and investigate this.
With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.
Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer.
I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.
Regards, Muthoni
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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Thank you Dorcas for bringing the issue of milk to the list. There is a brand in the market that has a shelf life of a month without any refrigeration, yet it's not Ultra Heat Treated (UHT). As consumers we should be very very scared. I've resorted to only buy milk from the national Milk processor, since as a government owned entity, they have no need for obscene profits gotten through illegal means. But lets not be naive about COFEK. As many private entities go, the highest bidder gets to call the shots. Remember the only one rule for success ... "What's in it for me?" The consumer body will first represents the interests of those that bankroll it, before looking for other interests. Isn't this obvious? That is the reason East of Nairobi has no roads to talk about, basic amenities, e.t.c. While West of Nairobi is another London. -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
When we challenge a global policy change that is not a product or service, we bring out our ignorance. Supposing we do nothing now until 2015. Will Kenyans be suddenly rich to migrate? Consumer movement is about services and products and not policing the public and public policy. In Digital Migration the Government did not want to interfere with the market. The free market economy has a self adjusting mechanism that benefits the consumer. Rich people will rush to buy set top boxes at introductory pricing which often is higher and as the market slows down, the prices are adjusted to accommodate new customers. The price of set top boxes has come down from a high of Kes. 12,000 to Kes. 1,500 not because cofek intervened but due to demand and supply forces. Soon multiplex operators would give free set top boxes as more people buy Digital TVs. I liked Windows 8 when it came out and could not afford it but I have got to wait for the prices to be reasonable to me. How come cofek has not fought for poor developers to access it? It will not help this country if we rush to court every time. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 17:38:41 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] COFEK: Formalin in Milk _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
With all due respect to Dr Ndemo, courts exist for a purpose. When we are not able to resolve our issues both in public and private sphere, we must accept without conditions, a third arbiter-the Courts.Citizens must and will forever in Kenya engage in public policy. The days when a few technocrats pushed decisions without caring how they may affect the citizenry or involving them are long gone. Technocrats must be held to account and judicial proceedings are just part of that however vexatious defendants think. I sincerely doubt that COFEK went to Court to entirely stop the digital switchover but to seek that the process is not just left to market forces because markets fail and often so. The scandals in the banking sector and the economic recession are clear pointers that a market can only be trusted if it has clear strong regulators and an informed citizenry. How do we explain the approval and sale of set-top boxes of a lower version yet we knew that we could have gone for a higher version straight on. Who did the approval? What were the incentives etc? With regard to the digital switchover, while it is clear to all that the digital transmission technology that analog TV stations all over the world are adopting has the potential to bring new openness and diversity to the airwaves. But the process is costly and highly politicised. If the political decisions are not well thought through and the decision-makers not fully held accountable there could be be big dangers on free flow of information and thus democracy. I believe, the Ministry of Information, CCK and COFEK have a duty to Kenyans to calm down, stop shadow-boxing and embrace genuine dialogue. They must work with all other stakeholders to head off any would-be negative effects and ensure that digital technology makes good its potential to create new and varied forms of on-air expression. HENRY O. MAINA DIRECTOR ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA P O BOX 2653,00100 NAIROBI TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2 FAX:+254 (20) 3862231 EMAIL: henry@article19.org ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 05 February 2013 06:11 PM To: Henry Maina Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] COFEK: Formalin in Milk When we challenge a global policy change that is not a product or service, we bring out our ignorance. Supposing we do nothing now until 2015. Will Kenyans be suddenly rich to migrate? Consumer movement is about services and products and not policing the public and public policy. In Digital Migration the Government did not want to interfere with the market. The free market economy has a self adjusting mechanism that benefits the consumer. Rich people will rush to buy set top boxes at introductory pricing which often is higher and as the market slows down, the prices are adjusted to accommodate new customers. The price of set top boxes has come down from a high of Kes. 12,000 to Kes. 1,500 not because cofek intervened but due to demand and supply forces. Soon multiplex operators would give free set top boxes as more people buy Digital TVs. I liked Windows 8 when it came out and could not afford it but I have got to wait for the prices to be reasonable to me. How come cofek has not fought for poor developers to access it? It will not help this country if we rush to court every time. Ndemo. 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Side Note: Windows 8 was available on the Microsoft website for $40 until Jan 31/2013. Don't know if they still have an offer.
+! I capitalized on the offer and my cost came to KES 3,700 only. Offer lapsed on 1st Feb 2013. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Side Note: Windows 8 was available on the Microsoft website for $40 until Jan 31/2013. Don't know if they still have an offer.
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