Hi All, I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to harmonise across the country or region. As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Sheng will go nowhere and formalization is a waste of time. The 1billion Chinese and the 1billion Indians and 600million Europeans and nearly 800million Africans do not and will not speak it. English as we all know is the language of business and Vision 2030 requires us to monumentally grow our export and services sector which requires international interaction. Sheng, like Nigerian and Jamaican pidgin is in safe hands with touts and DJs. They will keep the flame alive. Regards On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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(1) Sheng is already widely-spoken in urban bits of Kenya, and knowledge of it is essential effectively to communicate with anyone under 40. (2) There's good research indicating that Sheng is not a creole or a pidgin, but rather a dialect of Swahili. (Paper by Chege Githiora attached.) (3) It is thoroughly mysterious why Kenyans should speak only those languages that are widely spoken by its trading partners, especially in light of the fact that those trading partners do not speak only the language of their trading partners. Chinese, which you seem to have assumed is a single language, is actually a family of dialects, several of which are not mutually intelligible. I have not seen any move by the government of China to restrict their use, or formal study of them, on the ground that it is time to use only English. Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion. On 27 February 2012 11:18, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Sheng will go nowhere and formalization is a waste of time.
The 1billion Chinese and the 1billion Indians and 600million Europeans and nearly 800million Africans do not and will not speak it.
English as we all know is the language of business and Vision 2030 requires us to monumentally grow our export and services sector which requires international interaction.
Sheng, like Nigerian and Jamaican pidgin is in safe hands with touts and DJs. They will keep the flame alive.
Regards
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Wapendwa Wenzangu It would be good if we could all speak 1) Kiswahili Sanifu 2) Our local language and 3) some colonial language such as English or French I am on the board of www.kamusi.org. We are interested in digitizing endangered languages. Sheng is a vibrant and growing creole, and should be respected as such. It probably does not need formalizing, as it is living and changing daily, but it may benefit from documentation. Warigia On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Daniel Waweru <daniel.waweru@gmail.com>wrote:
(1) Sheng is already widely-spoken in urban bits of Kenya, and knowledge of it is essential effectively to communicate with anyone under 40.
(2) There's good research indicating that Sheng is not a creole or a pidgin, but rather a dialect of Swahili. (Paper by Chege Githiora attached.)
(3) It is thoroughly mysterious why Kenyans should speak only those languages that are widely spoken by its trading partners, especially in light of the fact that those trading partners do not speak only the language of their trading partners. Chinese, which you seem to have assumed is a single language, is actually a family of dialects, several of which are not mutually intelligible. I have not seen any move by the government of China to restrict their use, or formal study of them, on the ground that it is time to use only English.
Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion.
On 27 February 2012 11:18, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Sheng will go nowhere and formalization is a waste of time.
The 1billion Chinese and the 1billion Indians and 600million Europeans and nearly 800million Africans do not and will not speak it.
English as we all know is the language of business and Vision 2030 requires us to monumentally grow our export and services sector which requires international interaction.
Sheng, like Nigerian and Jamaican pidgin is in safe hands with touts and DJs. They will keep the flame alive.
Regards
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Good people, AFAIK, sheng is not a language. For a language to fit in that category, it takes a long period of time to develop in terms of phonetics etc. But with Sheng, today you refer to something, tomorrow, it's not referred so, yet it has not changed a bit. Sheng is a mode of communication which is popular in one area. And Wairigia, how do you categorize sheng as an endangered language, yet it does not qualify as one? On 27 February 2012 19:39, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Wapendwa Wenzangu
It would be good if we could all speak 1) Kiswahili Sanifu 2) Our local language and 3) some colonial language such as English or French
I am on the board of www.kamusi.org. We are interested in digitizing endangered languages.
Sheng is a vibrant and growing creole, and should be respected as such. It probably does not need formalizing, as it is living and changing daily, but it may benefit from documentation.
Warigia
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Daniel Waweru <daniel.waweru@gmail.com>wrote:
(1) Sheng is already widely-spoken in urban bits of Kenya, and knowledge of it is essential effectively to communicate with anyone under 40.
(2) There's good research indicating that Sheng is not a creole or a pidgin, but rather a dialect of Swahili. (Paper by Chege Githiora attached.)
(3) It is thoroughly mysterious why Kenyans should speak only those languages that are widely spoken by its trading partners, especially in light of the fact that those trading partners do not speak only the language of their trading partners. Chinese, which you seem to have assumed is a single language, is actually a family of dialects, several of which are not mutually intelligible. I have not seen any move by the government of China to restrict their use, or formal study of them, on the ground that it is time to use only English.
Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion.
On 27 February 2012 11:18, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Sheng will go nowhere and formalization is a waste of time.
The 1billion Chinese and the 1billion Indians and 600million Europeans and nearly 800million Africans do not and will not speak it.
English as we all know is the language of business and Vision 2030 requires us to monumentally grow our export and services sector which requires international interaction.
Sheng, like Nigerian and Jamaican pidgin is in safe hands with touts and DJs. They will keep the flame alive.
Regards
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Dear Solomon Sheng is clearly a dialect, not a language. I did not say that Sheng is an endangered language. I said I work on kamusi, which works on digitizing endangered languages. I said Sheng is a creole, or as someone else mentioned, a pidgin. Yours, Rigia On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Good people,
AFAIK, sheng is not a language. For a language to fit in that category, it takes a long period of time to develop in terms of phonetics etc. But with Sheng, today you refer to something, tomorrow, it's not referred so, yet it has not changed a bit. Sheng is a mode of communication which is popular in one area. And Wairigia, how do you categorize sheng as an endangered language, yet it does not qualify as one?
On 27 February 2012 19:39, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Wapendwa Wenzangu
It would be good if we could all speak 1) Kiswahili Sanifu 2) Our local language and 3) some colonial language such as English or French
I am on the board of www.kamusi.org. We are interested in digitizing endangered languages.
Sheng is a vibrant and growing creole, and should be respected as such. It probably does not need formalizing, as it is living and changing daily, but it may benefit from documentation.
Warigia
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Daniel Waweru <daniel.waweru@gmail.com
wrote:
(1) Sheng is already widely-spoken in urban bits of Kenya, and knowledge of it is essential effectively to communicate with anyone under 40.
(2) There's good research indicating that Sheng is not a creole or a pidgin, but rather a dialect of Swahili. (Paper by Chege Githiora attached.)
(3) It is thoroughly mysterious why Kenyans should speak only those languages that are widely spoken by its trading partners, especially in light of the fact that those trading partners do not speak only the language of their trading partners. Chinese, which you seem to have assumed is a single language, is actually a family of dialects, several of which are not mutually intelligible. I have not seen any move by the government of China to restrict their use, or formal study of them, on the ground that it is time to use only English.
Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion.
On 27 February 2012 11:18, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Sheng will go nowhere and formalization is a waste of time.
The 1billion Chinese and the 1billion Indians and 600million Europeans and nearly 800million Africans do not and will not speak it.
English as we all know is the language of business and Vision 2030 requires us to monumentally grow our export and services sector which requires international interaction.
Sheng, like Nigerian and Jamaican pidgin is in safe hands with touts and DJs. They will keep the flame alive.
Regards
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Thanks Rigia for the clarification On 27 February 2012 20:06, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Solomon
Sheng is clearly a dialect, not a language. I did not say that Sheng is an endangered language. I said I work on kamusi, which works on digitizing endangered languages. I said Sheng is a creole, or as someone else mentioned, a pidgin.
Yours, Rigia
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Good people,
AFAIK, sheng is not a language. For a language to fit in that category, it takes a long period of time to develop in terms of phonetics etc. But with Sheng, today you refer to something, tomorrow, it's not referred so, yet it has not changed a bit. Sheng is a mode of communication which is popular in one area. And Wairigia, how do you categorize sheng as an endangered language, yet it does not qualify as one?
On 27 February 2012 19:39, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Wapendwa Wenzangu
It would be good if we could all speak 1) Kiswahili Sanifu 2) Our local language and 3) some colonial language such as English or French
I am on the board of www.kamusi.org. We are interested in digitizing endangered languages.
Sheng is a vibrant and growing creole, and should be respected as such. It probably does not need formalizing, as it is living and changing daily, but it may benefit from documentation.
Warigia
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Daniel Waweru < daniel.waweru@gmail.com> wrote:
(1) Sheng is already widely-spoken in urban bits of Kenya, and knowledge of it is essential effectively to communicate with anyone under 40.
(2) There's good research indicating that Sheng is not a creole or a pidgin, but rather a dialect of Swahili. (Paper by Chege Githiora attached.)
(3) It is thoroughly mysterious why Kenyans should speak only those languages that are widely spoken by its trading partners, especially in light of the fact that those trading partners do not speak only the language of their trading partners. Chinese, which you seem to have assumed is a single language, is actually a family of dialects, several of which are not mutually intelligible. I have not seen any move by the government of China to restrict their use, or formal study of them, on the ground that it is time to use only English.
Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion.
On 27 February 2012 11:18, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Sheng will go nowhere and formalization is a waste of time.
The 1billion Chinese and the 1billion Indians and 600million Europeans and nearly 800million Africans do not and will not speak it.
English as we all know is the language of business and Vision 2030 requires us to monumentally grow our export and services sector which requires international interaction.
Sheng, like Nigerian and Jamaican pidgin is in safe hands with touts and DJs. They will keep the flame alive.
Regards
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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While it is good to speak Swahili, English etc, it is also good to enjoy culture, and sheng is our culture right now (Ask Tuju:) Daniel and Rigia, thanks for the resources. Now I need a clarification, Daniel points to a paper stating that Sheng is not creole or pidgin,but a dialect. Warigia says its pidgin or creole.....which is which? rgds 2012/2/27 Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>
Thanks Rigia for the clarification
On 27 February 2012 20:06, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Solomon
Sheng is clearly a dialect, not a language. I did not say that Sheng is an endangered language. I said I work on kamusi, which works on digitizing endangered languages. I said Sheng is a creole, or as someone else mentioned, a pidgin.
Yours, Rigia
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Good people,
AFAIK, sheng is not a language. For a language to fit in that category, it takes a long period of time to develop in terms of phonetics etc. But with Sheng, today you refer to something, tomorrow, it's not referred so, yet it has not changed a bit. Sheng is a mode of communication which is popular in one area. And Wairigia, how do you categorize sheng as an endangered language, yet it does not qualify as one?
On 27 February 2012 19:39, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Wapendwa Wenzangu
It would be good if we could all speak 1) Kiswahili Sanifu 2) Our local language and 3) some colonial language such as English or French
I am on the board of www.kamusi.org. We are interested in digitizing endangered languages.
Sheng is a vibrant and growing creole, and should be respected as such. It probably does not need formalizing, as it is living and changing daily, but it may benefit from documentation.
Warigia
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Daniel Waweru < daniel.waweru@gmail.com> wrote:
(1) Sheng is already widely-spoken in urban bits of Kenya, and knowledge of it is essential effectively to communicate with anyone under 40.
(2) There's good research indicating that Sheng is not a creole or a pidgin, but rather a dialect of Swahili. (Paper by Chege Githiora attached.)
(3) It is thoroughly mysterious why Kenyans should speak only those languages that are widely spoken by its trading partners, especially in light of the fact that those trading partners do not speak only the language of their trading partners. Chinese, which you seem to have assumed is a single language, is actually a family of dialects, several of which are not mutually intelligible. I have not seen any move by the government of China to restrict their use, or formal study of them, on the ground that it is time to use only English.
Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion.
On 27 February 2012 11:18, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Sheng will go nowhere and formalization is a waste of time.
The 1billion Chinese and the 1billion Indians and 600million Europeans and nearly 800million Africans do not and will not speak it.
English as we all know is the language of business and Vision 2030 requires us to monumentally grow our export and services sector which requires international interaction.
Sheng, like Nigerian and Jamaican pidgin is in safe hands with touts and DJs. They will keep the flame alive.
Regards
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hi All, > > I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language > then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to > harmonise across the country or region. > > As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and > one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where > you are standing. > > Regards > > Robert Yawe > KAY System Technologies Ltd > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > Kenya > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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While we have grammatical correct English and Kiswahili Sanifu, there will always be colloquial languages, and this is where Google's efforts with Kiswahili ended up meeting lots of resistance form the public. Kiswahili sanifu and colloquial Kiswahili are world's apart.
Kiswahili Sanifu will follow Latin to the grave. Even Tanzanians and coast people have corrupted their Swa On 27/02/2012, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
While we have grammatical correct English and Kiswahili Sanifu, there will always be colloquial languages, and this is where Google's efforts with Kiswahili ended up meeting lots of resistance form the public. Kiswahili sanifu and colloquial Kiswahili are world's apart.
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in my view sheng is a language that has developed in the recent times only to ague that it is so primitive that many may not see the sense in qualifying it has a language it is used in the cosmopolitan/ metropolitan areas were there are many languages that are spoken by different peopleit intergrates the many languages hence simplifying communication it is easily understood among the youth considering kenya has up to 42 tribes speaking different tongues.it has developed to the extend that poetry is crafted in sheng we should not shun sheng rather help develop and mould it to a better language --- On Mon, 2/27/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote: From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Sheng Question To: memakunat@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 10:03 AM Kiswahili Sanifu will follow Latin to the grave. Even Tanzanians and coast people have corrupted their Swa On 27/02/2012, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
While we have grammatical correct English and Kiswahili Sanifu, there will always be colloquial languages, and this is where Google's efforts with Kiswahili ended up meeting lots of resistance form the public. Kiswahili sanifu and colloquial Kiswahili are world's apart.
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Pidgin, noun: Any language which consists of a mixture of other languages (Chambers concise usage Dictionary). Creole: A stable, fully fledged natural language developed from mixing of parent languages (Wikipedia extracted 27th February 2012). Dialect, noun: A way of speaking found only in a certain area or among a certain group or class of people (Chambers concise usage Dictionary).
From these definitions, Sheng is ...
On 27/02/2012, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
While it is good to speak Swahili, English etc, it is also good to enjoy culture, and sheng is our culture right now (Ask Tuju:) Daniel and Rigia, thanks for the resources. Now I need a clarification, Daniel points to a paper stating that Sheng is not creole or pidgin,but a dialect. Warigia says its pidgin or creole.....which is which?
rgds
2012/2/27 Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>
Thanks Rigia for the clarification
On 27 February 2012 20:06, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Solomon
Sheng is clearly a dialect, not a language. I did not say that Sheng is an endangered language. I said I work on kamusi, which works on digitizing endangered languages. I said Sheng is a creole, or as someone else mentioned, a pidgin.
Yours, Rigia
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Good people,
AFAIK, sheng is not a language. For a language to fit in that category, it takes a long period of time to develop in terms of phonetics etc. But with Sheng, today you refer to something, tomorrow, it's not referred so, yet it has not changed a bit. Sheng is a mode of communication which is popular in one area. And Wairigia, how do you categorize sheng as an endangered language, yet it does not qualify as one?
On 27 February 2012 19:39, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Wapendwa Wenzangu
It would be good if we could all speak 1) Kiswahili Sanifu 2) Our local language and 3) some colonial language such as English or French
I am on the board of www.kamusi.org. We are interested in digitizing endangered languages.
Sheng is a vibrant and growing creole, and should be respected as such. It probably does not need formalizing, as it is living and changing daily, but it may benefit from documentation.
Warigia
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Daniel Waweru < daniel.waweru@gmail.com> wrote:
(1) Sheng is already widely-spoken in urban bits of Kenya, and knowledge of it is essential effectively to communicate with anyone under 40.
(2) There's good research indicating that Sheng is not a creole or a pidgin, but rather a dialect of Swahili. (Paper by Chege Githiora attached.)
(3) It is thoroughly mysterious why Kenyans should speak only those languages that are widely spoken by its trading partners, especially in light of the fact that those trading partners do not speak only the language of their trading partners. Chinese, which you seem to have assumed is a single language, is actually a family of dialects, several of which are not mutually intelligible. I have not seen any move by the government of China to restrict their use, or formal study of them, on the ground that it is time to use only English.
Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion.
On 27 February 2012 11:18, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sheng will go nowhere and formalization is a waste of time. > > The 1billion Chinese and the 1billion Indians and 600million > Europeans > and nearly 800million Africans do not and will not speak it. > > English as we all know is the language of business and Vision 2030 > requires us to monumentally grow our export and services sector which > requires international interaction. > > Sheng, like Nigerian and Jamaican pidgin is in safe hands with touts > and DJs. They will keep the flame alive. > > Regards > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal > language > > then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are > to > > harmonise across the country or region. > > > > As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio > mbabi) and > > one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters > of where > > you are standing. > > > > Regards > > > > Robert Yawe > > KAY System Technologies Ltd > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > > Kenya > > > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com > > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for > > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the > ICT > > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors > > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, > > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do > > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/daniel.waweru%40gmail.c... > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT > policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in > the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times > and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, > respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >
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@lordmwesh - then by these definitions Kiswahili is a type of Creole? (after mixing various Bantu languages, Arabic, Portuguese, Chinese, English, etc) .....and having said that, then Sheng is indeed a dialect since the original (and still evolving) Kiswahili - spoken widely from Mocambique to the DRC, varies quite a lot. In the DRC they speak in past tense and plural - even if talking of one self in the present... I like the discourse on Baabi and its usage :-) I did surprise a seasoned (albeit somewhat young) Sheng speaker who did not know the etymology of that word and its inclusion in Sheng. And thinking of this word, and seeing how Sheng itself has a sub-culture....some of the words are contributed by sub-sub (?) cultures like Rastafarianism (where "Babylonian" i.e. Mbaabi, comes from). sheng.co.ke does not seem to work....was keen to see if it would provide more than definitions... On 27 February 2012 20:57, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Pidgin, noun: Any language which consists of a mixture of other languages (Chambers concise usage Dictionary).
Creole: A stable, fully fledged natural language developed from mixing of parent languages (Wikipedia extracted 27th February 2012).
Dialect, noun: A way of speaking found only in a certain area or among a certain group or class of people (Chambers concise usage Dictionary).
From these definitions, Sheng is ...
On 27/02/2012, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
While it is good to speak Swahili, English etc, it is also good to enjoy culture, and sheng is our culture right now (Ask Tuju:) Daniel and Rigia, thanks for the resources. Now I need a clarification, Daniel points to a paper stating that Sheng is not creole or pidgin,but a dialect. Warigia says its pidgin or creole.....which is which?
rgds
2012/2/27 Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>
Thanks Rigia for the clarification
On 27 February 2012 20:06, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Solomon
Sheng is clearly a dialect, not a language. I did not say that Sheng is an endangered language. I said I work on kamusi, which works on digitizing endangered languages. I said Sheng is a creole, or as someone else mentioned, a pidgin.
Yours, Rigia
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Good people,
AFAIK, sheng is not a language. For a language to fit in that category, it takes a long period of time to develop in terms of phonetics etc. But with Sheng, today you refer to something, tomorrow, it's not referred so, yet it has not changed a bit. Sheng is a mode of communication which is popular in one area. And Wairigia, how do you categorize sheng as an endangered language, yet it does not qualify as one?
On 27 February 2012 19:39, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:
Wapendwa Wenzangu
It would be good if we could all speak 1) Kiswahili Sanifu 2) Our local language and 3) some colonial language such as English or French
I am on the board of www.kamusi.org. We are interested in digitizing endangered languages.
Sheng is a vibrant and growing creole, and should be respected as such. It probably does not need formalizing, as it is living and changing daily, but it may benefit from documentation.
Warigia
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Daniel Waweru < daniel.waweru@gmail.com> wrote:
> (1) Sheng is already widely-spoken in urban bits of Kenya, and > knowledge of it is essential effectively to communicate with anyone > under > 40. > > (2) There's good research indicating that Sheng is not a creole or a > pidgin, but rather a dialect of Swahili. (Paper by Chege Githiora > attached.) > > (3) It is thoroughly mysterious why Kenyans should speak only those > languages that are widely spoken by its trading partners, especially > in > light of the fact that those trading partners do not speak only the > language of their trading partners. Chinese, which you seem to have > assumed > is a single language, is actually a family of dialects, several of > which > are not mutually intelligible. I have not seen any move by the > government > of China to restrict their use, or formal study of them, on the ground > that > it is time to use only English. > > Daniel Waweru > www.kenyaimagine.com > Art and analysis; debate and opinion. > > > On 27 February 2012 11:18, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sheng will go nowhere and formalization is a waste of time. >> >> The 1billion Chinese and the 1billion Indians and 600million >> Europeans >> and nearly 800million Africans do not and will not speak it. >> >> English as we all know is the language of business and Vision 2030 >> requires us to monumentally grow our export and services sector which >> requires international interaction. >> >> Sheng, like Nigerian and Jamaican pidgin is in safe hands with touts >> and DJs. They will keep the flame alive. >> >> Regards >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal >> language >> > then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are >> to >> > harmonise across the country or region. >> > >> > As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio >> mbabi) and >> > one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters >> of where >> > you are standing. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Robert Yawe >> > KAY System Technologies Ltd >> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor >> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >> > Kenya >> > >> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com >> > >> > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >> platform for >> > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the >> ICT >> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> > >> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >> behaviors >> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >> privacy, do >> > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/daniel.waweru%40gmail.c... >> >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT >> policy >> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in >> the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times >> and >> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, >> respect >> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/warigia%40gmail.com > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT > policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in > the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, > do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >
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Githiora's linguistic analysis of Sheng attached to this email. I can't understand why people get so het up about Sheng. I remember a piece by Peter Mwangi in the *Nation* about five years ago in which he claimed, apparently seriously, that Sheng had no grammar. Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion. On 27 February 2012 11:18, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Sheng will go nowhere and formalization is a waste of time.
The 1billion Chinese and the 1billion Indians and 600million Europeans and nearly 800million Africans do not and will not speak it.
English as we all know is the language of business and Vision 2030 requires us to monumentally grow our export and services sector which requires international interaction.
Sheng, like Nigerian and Jamaican pidgin is in safe hands with touts and DJs. They will keep the flame alive.
Regards
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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http://shengdictionary.com/ On 27 February 2012 14:02, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squick> if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi, You definitely do not speak Sheng, the dictionary does not even have a common word like "Sonko", this one must be developed for tourists who might just get themselves beaten to a pulp if they use those words in some neighbourhoods. Have a safe week, speak Kiswahili Sanifu. Regards PS. Verdict: Sheng is as dead as a dodo (too bad for Tuju with his POA Party) Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 27 February 2012, 15:22 Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Sheng Question http://shengdictionary.com/ On 27 February 2012 14:02, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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We may want to ignore sheng but not so for marketers, media, script writers..... Think of most recent successful branding/marketing campaigns,local programmes...sheng carries the day! Language is always evolving, and sheng quite fast because of the media available to disseminate it. Outside the box, sheng has its place and although it may not find its way in the conventional way, it is getting there. BTW, check out sheng.co.ke , quite a collection of words! rgds, 2012/2/27 robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi,
You definitely do not speak Sheng, the dictionary does not even have a common word like "Sonko", this one must be developed for tourists who might just get themselves beaten to a pulp if they use those words in some neighbourhoods.
Have a safe week, speak Kiswahili Sanifu.
Regards
PS. Verdict: Sheng is as dead as a dodo (too bad for Tuju with his POA Party)
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Monday, 27 February 2012, 15:22
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] The Sheng Question
On 27 February 2012 14:02, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squick> if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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on a lighter note Robert, wewe si babi (not mbabi) :) 2012/2/27 Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com>
We may want to ignore sheng but not so for marketers, media, script writers..... Think of most recent successful branding/marketing campaigns,local programmes...sheng carries the day! Language is always evolving, and sheng quite fast because of the media available to disseminate it. Outside the box, sheng has its place and although it may not find its way in the conventional way, it is getting there. BTW, check out sheng.co.ke , quite a collection of words!
rgds,
2012/2/27 robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi,
You definitely do not speak Sheng, the dictionary does not even have a common word like "Sonko", this one must be developed for tourists who might just get themselves beaten to a pulp if they use those words in some neighbourhoods.
Have a safe week, speak Kiswahili Sanifu.
Regards
PS. Verdict: Sheng is as dead as a dodo (too bad for Tuju with his POA Party)
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Monday, 27 February 2012, 15:22
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] The Sheng Question
On 27 February 2012 14:02, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squick> if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Language is always evolving, and sheng quite fast because of the media available to disseminate it. Outside the box, sheng has its place and although it may not find its way in the conventional way, it is getting there. BTW, check out sheng.co.ke , quite a collection of words!
rgds,
2012/2/27 robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi,
You definitely do not speak Sheng, the dictionary does not even have a common word like "Sonko", this one must be developed for tourists who might just get themselves beaten to a pulp if they use those words in some neighbourhoods.
Have a safe week, speak Kiswahili Sanifu.
Regards
PS. Verdict: Sheng is as dead as a dodo (too bad for Tuju with his POA Party) Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 27 February 2012, 15:22
Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Sheng Question
On 27 February 2012 14:02, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/ if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Grace, An an even lighter note, as I indicated previously Sheng is only valid around frequently interacting groups in correct swahili it would have been mubabi short for "a Babylonian" depending on where yoiu actually grew up it would be mbabi or babi. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 27 February 2012, 19:05 Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Sheng Question on a lighter note Robert, wewe si babi (not mbabi) :) 2012/2/27 Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> We may want to ignore sheng but not so for marketers, media, script writers..... Think of most recent successful branding/marketing campaigns,local programmes...sheng carries the day! that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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I'm not sure *baabi* inflects for number when used as a predicative adjective. Yaani: Mimi sio *baabi* and Hawa wote sio *baabi* both seem equally correct (although *Hawa wote sio mabaabi* doesn't seem terribly wrong either) and Mimi sio *mbaabi* seems clearly wrong. Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion. On 27 February 2012 11:02, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I believe that if we are serious about turning sheng into a formal language then we need a site like http://www.urbandictionary.com/<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squick> if we are to harmonise across the country or region.
As I keep repeating, annoyingly, I grew up in eastlands (mimi sio mbabi) and one thing I know is that sheng is not homogeneous beyond 100 meters of where you are standing.
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Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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participants (10)
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Daniel Waweru -
Dennis Kioko -
Francis Hook -
Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) -
James Mbugua -
lordmwesh -
meshack emakunat -
robert yawe -
Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau -
Warigia Bowman