Re: [kictanet] PRINCE PROPOSED TO KATE IN KENYA
A 'booth at the fairy tale wedding'? Somehow I doubt it's going to be that kind of village fair event where you can rent a booth. But how about 'For weddings and a funeral - royals heard it first in Kenya'? -----Original Message----- From: waudo siganga Sent: 17/11/2010, 09:58 To: andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] PRINCE PROPOSED TO KATE IN KENYA I fully agree with you Charles. In the Western world (on which we depend heavily for things like BPO, tourism, investment, etc) people live off perceptions. The perceptions are on their part created by media stories. In Vilnius, someone from a Western country told me they will not come for the Kenya IGF because of worries over al Shabab. Others use excuses like tribal clashes, cholera, street crime, etc. The media story of the Prince proposing in Kenya is a positive message sent all over the world that Kenya is more than safe. Waudo On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 04:44 +0000, "charles nduati" <charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi listers,
I believe this is the biggest publicity coup kenya can run to market itself.
so paul and your counterparts in kenya tourism board, brand kenya, vision 2030 etc.. please strategise and even have a booth during their next years fairly tale wedding
charles nduati
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 02:46 EET Wainaina Mungai wrote:
I second Edith, let us have the consultations at Bomas or other hall(s) in the suburbs of Nairobi. We need to move away from the expensive 'default setting' of having all policy discussions at the Sun-and-Sand Beach Resort.
*Participation via SMS, web and other modes should be admissible this time round.*
Wainaina
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [ bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kairo <kictanet-bounces%2Bkairo>=softlaw.co.ke@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:03 PM To: kairo@softlaw.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General
Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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The BBC Bureau in Kenya has today sent a team to the hotel where William proposed to Kate. So either way, Kenya can still benefit from the whole thing. Michael Ouma Journalist Kenya Tel:+254-725-537823 "Do not go where the path may lead, but go instead where there is no path and leave a trail," - Ralph Waldo Emerson --- On Tue, 11/16/10, andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote: From: andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PRINCE PROPOSED TO KATE IN KENYA To: benomnta@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 11:10 PM A 'booth at the fairy tale wedding'? Somehow I doubt it's going to be that kind of village fair event where you can rent a booth. But how about 'For weddings and a funeral - royals heard it first in Kenya'? -----Original Message----- From: waudo siganga Sent: 17/11/2010, 09:58 To: andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] PRINCE PROPOSED TO KATE IN KENYA I fully agree with you Charles. In the Western world (on which we depend heavily for things like BPO, tourism, investment, etc) people live off perceptions. The perceptions are on their part created by media stories. In Vilnius, someone from a Western country told me they will not come for the Kenya IGF because of worries over al Shabab. Others use excuses like tribal clashes, cholera, street crime, etc. The media story of the Prince proposing in Kenya is a positive message sent all over the world that Kenya is more than safe. Waudo On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 04:44 +0000, "charles nduati" <charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi listers,
I believe this is the biggest publicity coup kenya can run to market itself.
so paul and your counterparts in kenya tourism board, brand kenya, vision 2030 etc.. please strategise and even have a booth during their next years fairly tale wedding
charles nduati
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 02:46 EET Wainaina Mungai wrote:
I second Edith, let us have the consultations at Bomas or other hall(s) in the suburbs of Nairobi. We need to move away from the expensive 'default setting' of having all policy discussions at the Sun-and-Sand Beach Resort.
*Participation via SMS, web and other modes should be admissible this time round.*
Wainaina
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [ bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kairo <kictanet-bounces%2Bkairo>=softlaw.co.ke@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:03 PM To: kairo@softlaw.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General
Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Michael Ouma <benomnta@yahoo.com> wrote:
The BBC Bureau in Kenya has today sent a team to the hotel where William proposed to Kate.
So either way, Kenya can still benefit from the whole thing.
Benefit in what way? I'd have thought Kenyans would make the issue about drug barons being in govt a priority, rather than chase after the aftermath of the Prince proposing to the girlfriend. To the British, it makes sense. It's something in the monarchy, but to Kenyans, fighting drugs and corruption makes more sense, imho. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
Washington, why are you so pissed off on this one ...even if the Prince did not propose in Kenya it is such a delightful thing to watch - I watched the full Will and Kate interview. Dont underestimate the value in foreign investment, lending, tourism in having the Kenya name prefixed to a royal fairytale romance and wedding. It may be worth many CNN adverts and expensive govt trips abroad marketing Kenya. Note that the name Kenya was repeated endless times yesterday across the world in a multitude of foreign languages. regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 17 November, 2010 15:09:09 Subject: Re: [kictanet] PRINCE PROPOSED TO KATE IN KENYA On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Michael Ouma <benomnta@yahoo.com> wrote: The BBC Bureau in Kenya has today sent a team to the hotel where William proposed to Kate.
So either way, Kenya can still benefit from the whole thing.
Benefit in what way? I'd have thought Kenyans would make the issue about drug barons being in govt a priority, rather than chase after the aftermath of the Prince proposing to the girlfriend. To the British, it makes sense. It's something in the monarchy, but to Kenyans, fighting drugs and corruption makes more sense, imho. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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