Hi, We pay for lawyers, surveyors and valuers to get training so that the Syokimau issue has a simple solution, please use a lawyer and surveyor before you part with your hard earned cash and as was being said on a vernacular radio station this morning "broti si mogate". The initial price of the plots was 150,000/- if they had spent 10% of that amount 15,000/- paying the professionals that would have saved millions.  I have been presented with fake title deeds many times and each time my local has unravelled the truth. "A fool and his money are soon parted" - Thomas Tusser -1524-1580 Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2011, 12:35 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Illegal Titles, Demolitions and the Land Registry & ICT I think guys bribed others in the ministry to issue fake titles to some of the land, most of which I gather was covered in the Ndung'u report which recommended the land be reclaimed. I hear its difficult to ascertain validity of land ownership in the registry unless you hire a good lawyer _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

Waudo I hear you. What I am hoping could happen is clean up as we go along and ensure bona fide information goes into the system. I am told that ICT at our courts are a success story. And this was one of the most difficult places I am told. We can emulate this. ________________________________ From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> To: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Illegal Titles, Demolitions and the Land Registry & ICT Hi Nyanchama - my sense is that compturizing a rotten system does not solve anything. You only computerize the rot. The first set is to clean the system and then computerize.   Waudo On Thursday, November 24, 2011 1:25 AM, "Matunda Nyanchama" <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote: Friends.

  I am wondering what is happening at the Land Registry.   With ICT we could have a record of all allocated land titles, make the registry publicly searchable (perhaps at a small fee) so that we can avoid cartels bilking innocent, hard working Kenyans of their life-time investments.    Anyone know what is happening at the Ministry of Lands?   And couldn't these demolitions be done in a more humane manner?   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.;  www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda;  Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Hi, That's a utopian solution I think we need to look at leveraging what is already on the ground and your suggestion of insurance brings to mind the system that insurers implemented based on simple SMS updates that is used to notify all insurance companies of insurance claims filed for a particular car or person. This has greatly reduced the cases of people taking out multiple covers and then making claims, on the other end the CDSC is enforcing mandatory SMS notification for activity of the securities they hold just like banks have done with ATM withdrawal SMS notifications. What is required at lands is a way to notify a land owner every time there is activity relating to a title via SMS, this will allow bona fide owners to be alerted before any damage is done.   As the Syokimau fellows had said they had paid rates on the land, KPLC had supplied electricity and they had piped water which suggests that these organisations need access to the database which can be based on a quick query of the lands database by SMS to confirm the details of ownership.  I realised recently when applying for a mortgage that a property we have owned for over 10 years have different ownership information across the various organisations.  A search at lands produced the correct name when we did a title search and a different name when we had a record search done.  The city council has yet a different name in its rates records. It took us over 2 months and over 100,000/- to harmonise all the records across the various government agencies but its an amount well spent based on the value of the property in question. So as we await a government that can see the benefit of accurate record keeping and "shared access" the onus is on you to carry out the due diligence on existing and future property ownership, your house might just be sitting on the mosquito flight path and might be blamed for the rise in malaria infections in your neighbourhood. Regards "The technology exists but unfortunately there is no willingness to implement it by the relevant authorities"   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Mwangi James Wamae <mwangi.wamae@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2011, 20:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Illegal Titles, Demolitions and the Land Registry & ICT Matunda: It has been a while my brother, hope you're well. There is, perhaps, a private sector play that is possible here:  Title Insurance.  The seller of the land pays to get a "Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval" from Title_Insurance_Co, then the buyer pays to get a policy that would make her whole in the event of a successful claim on that title. With all the nonsense going on with Kenyan land I'm surprised this industry has not surfaced. We are not experiencing anything that hasn't occurred elsewhere.  Let's take lessons from the real "Wild West". -Mw -----Original Message----- From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+mwangi.wamae=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:47:47 To: <mwangi.wamae@gmail.com> Reply-To: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Illegal Titles,     Demolitions and the Land Registry & ICT _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangi.wamae%40gmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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