Hustler, As a foundation engagement principles factuality and best courteous are fundamentals. When the starting point is for *bizzare* example;) "X sleeps with Y's wife" (or vice-versa) then 'diplomatically' asking "defend yourself?" would be uncivil and pretentious democratic maturity. Accepting such tangents of engagement implies embedding hearsay 'free expression' on otherwise intelligent discussions. In fact, responding to as such framed types of accusations, whether correct or misplaced, qualifies them or at the very least honours or dignifies the accusations with an answer. I beleive one is better off rising above these attacks because they are not just below the belt, they are waaaay below if not from under the feet;) Therefore, my openly announced decision to suspend discussants was based on this line of though/argument. I am not sorry for it and re-state nor have the stomach to allow *any such distractions* to come in the way of diverting valued "information consumers" attention view and best-interests pursuit. Needless to say, don't we all know the havoc reckless and fast e-communications can cause? Ili hili liwe funzo kwa wanaochochea e-fitina. Regards, Alex PS: Note: I suspend *hot* discussants to cool off a little then I re-state, sawa? (in so far as ke-internet users list moderation is concerned) AG On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
The point is that as an ICT online forum, we are neither the Police, Anti-corruption Authority nor the Judiciary.
Whether or not the accusations are true or false is really out of depth for this forum and members are encourage to seek the correct forum for the same.
In other words, Kictanet consists a bunch of hoi polloi. We need to grow balls otherwise, what's the point of being in a toothless list. Sometimes, you do not wait to be given powers and roles....you create them for yourself.
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
Hustler, Therefore, my openly announced decision to suspend discussants was based on this line of though/argument. I am not sorry for it and re-state nor have the stomach to allow *any such distractions* to come in the way of diverting valued "information consumers" attention view and best-interests pursuit.
Alex, This statement coming from a self confessed consumer rights advocate does indeed catch my attention. It is dictatorial and akin to 'playing god' and gagging flow/freedom of information. If u allow me to suggest a good read, pls re-visit the Akiwumi Report and you will realise that this attitude of fearing the truth and solving problems has been a fundamental impediment to our development. Thats why I laud how Daktari boldly clarified his position (whether we agree with it or not) rather than taking the route earlier suggested by many...that this is not the forum nor the channel to discuss a key ICT issue. Fear of/for truth/information made the old 'Special Branch' infamous, but today we look at Nyati and Nyayo Houses with mixed relic reflections. I mean...if we see the Director General of NSIS appearing in public inquiries such as Okemo's and Waki's to help in establishing truth, how can some ICT leaders in this list drag us back to information gagging and side-stepping issues in the pretext of lacking mandate?? Its food for thought...I can go on and on....
Bill, I repeat, if the only contributions one ever makes are anti-consumer mailing list objectives, principles, and values. Negative to the extent that they distractive and destructive hard-won gains and long established list engagement principles and framework. Outbursts that cost the list humble and loyal subscribers. We have not build what we have today easily and shall not allow *anyone* to use it as platform to advance unclear private interests. I promise you I will suspend (and if need be unsubscribe) such an individual very fast and without a flinch. The decision or action and the necessitating circumstances are communicated openly to avoid your alluded "officially instigated" fears. This also removes gaps for credibility tarnishing - we have losts of experience in that area... Regards, Alex On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Hustler, Therefore, my openly announced decision to suspend discussants was based on this line of though/argument. I am not sorry for it and re-state nor have the stomach to allow *any such distractions* to come in the way of diverting valued "information consumers" attention view and best-interests pursuit.
Alex, This statement coming from a self confessed consumer rights advocate does indeed catch my attention. It is dictatorial and akin to 'playing god' and gagging flow/freedom of information.
If u allow me to suggest a good read, pls re-visit the Akiwumi Report and you will realise that this attitude of fearing the truth and solving problems has been a fundamental impediment to our development. Thats why I laud how Daktari boldly clarified his position (whether we agree with it or not) rather than taking the route earlier suggested by many...that this is not the forum nor the channel to discuss a key ICT issue.
Fear of/for truth/information made the old 'Special Branch' infamous, but today we look at Nyati and Nyayo Houses with mixed relic reflections. I mean...if we see the Director General of NSIS appearing in public inquiries such as Okemo's and Waki's to help in establishing truth, how can some ICT leaders in this list drag us back to information gagging and side-stepping issues in the pretext of lacking mandate??
Its food for thought...I can go on and on....
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