Re: [kictanet] 3 Media houses protest Majanja's Digital Migration Ruling
Ngigi, You emphatically accuse everything and everyone else, except yourself of corruption. We take it that you, your firm and partners are clean and have never been in any way whatsoever done anything another soul here would consider as touching on the corruption devil you describe? Just so that we all clear... Secondly, local participation and patriotisim has been fronted by persons in India and South Africa (deliberately skipping Kenya) to secure prieveleged access to government procurement and in the process entrenching local corruption hidden from international scrutiny. As you rightly point out, anything is prone to corruption. Do you absolutely believe that the signal distribution process was corruption riddled? Let's just focus on the ussue at hand for now. ------------------------------ On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 10:20 AM MSK Ngigi Waithaka wrote:
There are times I think that our National Interest is Corruption.
That could be the one thing that we all agree on! And we go to great lengths to protect under the guise of such things as free markets & liberization.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io On 30 Dec 2013 08:59, "Matunda Nyanchama" <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
Friends
Happy Holidays.
This is an interesting debate, but one which I feel should be beyond digital migration and to that of how we deal with national resources.
In Canada, for instance, there are industries (banking & finance, telecoms, energy, etc.) that have been designated to be of strategic national interest; and which need to have majority control exercised by Canadians. The regulators also impose conditions on any sales, mergers, acquisitions, etc. of the same, especially where foreign interests come in to assure adherence to the national interest.
And that isn't about a controlled economy! It is a balancing of factors that would maximize gain for what is naturally the nation's for the benefit of its citizens.
I think the challenge for us Kenyans is that "national interest" appears non-existent in our vocabulary; and worsened by the mindset/practice/tradition of "you eat where you work", damn the consequences for the nation and its future.
But we also love brinkmanship rather than consensus. Perhaps if we acted more within a framework of "collective good" based on "national interest", we would favour consensus more.
What would happen if a local consortium had won, but later on decided to sell to the Chinese?
The controlled economy we are advocating here usually works to the detriment of the citizen, like our sugar industry does.
Happy Holidays!
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Researcher, I can't possibly reply to a pseudoname on a personal attack. 2nd. I and my partners are not the subject of this debate. If you would want to, you could start a thread on that and we'll duly respond. 3rd, we are all making a reasoned decision based on the facts laid down infront of us. That is sticking to the point and focusing on the issue at hand. Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io On 30 Dec 2013 12:33, "ICT Researcher" <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ngigi,
You emphatically accuse everything and everyone else, except yourself of corruption. We take it that you, your firm and partners are clean and have never been in any way whatsoever done anything another soul here would consider as touching on the corruption devil you describe? Just so that we all clear...
Secondly, local participation and patriotisim has been fronted by persons in India and South Africa (deliberately skipping Kenya) to secure prieveleged access to government procurement and in the process entrenching local corruption hidden from international scrutiny. As you rightly point out, anything is prone to corruption.
Do you absolutely believe that the signal distribution process was corruption riddled?
Let's just focus on the ussue at hand for now.
------------------------------ On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 10:20 AM MSK Ngigi Waithaka wrote:
There are times I think that our National Interest is Corruption.
That could be the one thing that we all agree on! And we go to great lengths to protect under the guise of such things as free markets & liberization.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io On 30 Dec 2013 08:59, "Matunda Nyanchama" <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com
wrote:
Friends
Happy Holidays.
This is an interesting debate, but one which I feel should be beyond digital migration and to that of how we deal with national resources.
In Canada, for instance, there are industries (banking & finance, telecoms, energy, etc.) that have been designated to be of strategic national interest; and which need to have majority control exercised by Canadians. The regulators also impose conditions on any sales, mergers, acquisitions, etc. of the same, especially where foreign interests come in to assure adherence to the national interest.
And that isn't about a controlled economy! It is a balancing of factors that would maximize gain for what is naturally the nation's for the benefit of its citizens.
I think the challenge for us Kenyans is that "national interest" appears non-existent in our vocabulary; and worsened by the mindset/practice/tradition of "you eat where you work", damn the consequences for the nation and its future.
But we also love brinkmanship rather than consensus. Perhaps if we acted more within a framework of "collective good" based on "national interest", we would favour consensus more.
What would happen if a local consortium had won, but later on decided to sell to the Chinese?
The controlled economy we are advocating here usually works to the detriment of the citizen, like our sugar industry does.
Happy Holidays!
Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; <http://twitter.com/#%21/nmatunda>Skype: okiambe
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On BEE programme in South Africa: Archbishop Desmond Tutu argued that Black Economic Empowerment only serves a black ANC elite few, leaving millions in "dehumanising poverty". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Economic_Empowerment On Monday, December 30, 2013 12:50 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote: Researcher, I can't possibly reply to a pseudoname on a personal attack. 2nd. I and my partners are not the subject of this debate. If you would want to, you could start a thread on that and we'll duly respond. 3rd, we are all making a reasoned decision based on the facts laid down infront of us. That is sticking to the point and focusing on the issue at hand. Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io On 30 Dec 2013 12:33, "ICT Researcher" <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ngigi,
You emphatically accuse everything and everyone else, except yourself of corruption. We take it that you, your firm and partners are clean and have never been in any way whatsoever done anything another soul here would consider as touching on the corruption devil you describe? Just so that we all clear...
Secondly, local participation and patriotisim has been fronted by persons in India and South Africa (deliberately skipping Kenya) to secure prieveleged access to government procurement and in the process entrenching local corruption hidden from international scrutiny. As you rightly point out, anything is prone to corruption.
Do you absolutely believe that the signal distribution process was corruption riddled?
Let's just focus on the ussue at hand for now.
------------------------------ On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 10:20 AM MSK Ngigi Waithaka wrote:
There are times I think that our National Interest is Corruption.
That could be the one thing that we all agree on! And we go to great lengths to protect under the guise of such things as free markets & liberization.
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io On 30 Dec 2013 08:59, "Matunda Nyanchama" <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
Friends
Happy Holidays.
This is an interesting debate, but one which I feel should be beyond digital migration and to that of how we deal with national resources.
In Canada, for instance, there are industries (banking & finance, telecoms, energy, etc.) that have been designated to be of strategic national interest; and which need to have majority control exercised by Canadians. The regulators also impose conditions on any sales, mergers, acquisitions, etc. of the same, especially where foreign interests come in to assure adherence to the national interest.
And that isn't about a controlled economy! It is a balancing of factors that would maximize gain for what is naturally the nation's for the benefit of its citizens.
I think the challenge for us Kenyans is that "national interest" appears non-existent in our vocabulary; and worsened by the mindset/practice/tradition of "you eat where you work", damn the consequences for the nation and its future.
But we also love brinkmanship rather than consensus. Perhaps if we acted more within a framework of "collective good" based on "national interest", we would favour consensus more.
What would happen if a local consortium had won, but later on decided to sell to the Chinese?
The controlled economy we are advocating here usually works to the detriment of the citizen, like our sugar industry does.
Happy Holidays!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; <http://twitter.com/#%21/nmatunda>Skype: okiambe
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