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Hi, I finally got a chance to look through the presentation you sent me concerning the marine cable issue, which was comprehensive. My suggestion is that you call all the ISPs and give them this presentation so that they can stop, once and for all, passing the buck for failing the Nation and keeping us in the stone age of connectivity. From the presentation it is clear that the marine cable on its own was not the panacea for high internet charges and slow connectivity, we did not understand that the model for Internet access in the US cannot be applied in countries outside that continent as the bulk of the content is resident in the US. For a long time, over 12 years ago when I wrote an article for an IT magazine that was called Micro Computer Guide, I was called the village madman for advocating about the need to develop local content. I was incensed by the action by the then Karisa Communications (Makatiani & Ngeno) later AfricaOnline to shut down their bulleting board based service to provide us with the so called Internet connection yet we where on the right track as we created local content out of necessity. Today I believe I stand exonerated as ISP’s finally confirm that the marine cable is not going to bring down the cost of Internet access, you wonder why we have wasted the past 3 years singing its praises. I say PS Ndemo, in his personal capacity and on behalf of all the agencies under his ministry (ICT board, e-government, CCK & other), owes the country an apology for taking us on a wild goose chase. PS Ndemo the creation of local content falls smack in your docket and I have said this before all the government has to do is digitize all those reports in their possession beginning with the constitution, sessional papers, census, exam results, list of village polytechnics and the presidents diary then we can all move from their. Again thanks Walubengo. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Robert, I think it is too early to make such conlusions. It is not easy in any organization to simply digitize or push people in that directions. It is war. I have spent three years fighting to keep the project a life. My commitment to local content are still firm and execution is underway. Once the shared service platform is ready, you will see visible change. The registries in Lands, Judiciary, Motor Vehicle registration, Company Registry and Imigration are all in various stages of procurement process. Change my brother is resisted every where. Those like youself who want to run, please run. We'll support you. On pricing give it a few days and hopefully all will be fine. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:58:41 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] TEAMS an open circuit _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
PS Ndemo, We are looking for more than policy, maybe those of us who have never worked for government have no idea about what the bureaucratic process can be like. But I do not think that the digitization of government registries will create much content of interest to Micheal in Mwatate or Nicholas in Mbita Point. I am asking for more relevant information to be made available online, take for example the government jobs advertised in todays Nation, how will this information get to Jane in Kerio Valley who graduated from the University 2 years ago and only get to see a news paper when her cousin visits from Eldoret Town. Due to the presence of a GSM signal she can at least get to facebook. Let me open this up to the web developers out there, how much would you charge to capture those listed jobs and make them accessible on the web? The government paid the Nation about 2.6 million for the 8 pages, I am sure the same information was also in the Standard & Kenya Times bringing the expenditure to around 7 million. Dear PS Ndemo, please explain to us how the government can find money to place an advert in the print media worth 7 million which only reaches 1 million people yet you are having a problem digitizing critical information? You where able to get bandwidth concessions for the blue eyed boys, the BPO, yet you did not give them any local business to allow them to meet the Pareto principle 80/20, in this case where 80% of their business needs to be local and 20% foreign. All experts on BPO issues who have visited the country have always insisted that without sufficient local business the BPO business cannot work. PS Ndemo, I am sure you have noticed that all the time I have a chance to talk to you the only issue I always raise is "where is the governments 0800 number". You have a say in CCK, Telkom, Safaricom and your ministry why is this proofig to be such a hurdle? A war is won one battle at a time, please plan your battles and the war will be won. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Fri, 9/10/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS an open circuit To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>, kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 8:15 AM Robert, I think it is too early to make such conlusions. It is not easy in any organization to simply digitize or push people in that directions. It is war. I have spent three years fighting to keep the project a life. My commitment to local content are still firm and execution is underway. Once the shared service platform is ready, you will see visible change. The registries in Lands, Judiciary, Motor Vehicle registration, Company Registry and Imigration are all in various stages of procurement process. Change my brother is resisted every where. Those like youself who want to run, please run. We'll support you. On pricing give it a few days and hopefully all will be fine. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:58:41 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] TEAMS an open circuit _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Robert, You are behind news. When we launched the Digital Village in Kangundo, the ten computers were occupied by people respoding to PSC online adverts. Online applications have been going on for some time now. In Western Kenya people get their abstract as well as P3 forms from the Digital Villages. On 0800 and other emergency numbers there is work going on. We can not do all these things overnight but somethings are happenibg. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:02:19 To: <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Content is king, long live the king PS Ndemo, We are looking for more than policy, maybe those of us who have never worked for government have no idea about what the bureaucratic process can be like. But I do not think that the digitization of government registries will create much content of interest to Micheal in Mwatate or Nicholas in Mbita Point. I am asking for more relevant information to be made available online, take for example the government jobs advertised in todays Nation, how will this information get to Jane in Kerio Valley who graduated from the University 2 years ago and only get to see a news paper when her cousin visits from Eldoret Town. Due to the presence of a GSM signal she can at least get to facebook. Let me open this up to the web developers out there, how much would you charge to capture those listed jobs and make them accessible on the web? The government paid the Nation about 2.6 million for the 8 pages, I am sure the same information was also in the Standard & Kenya Times bringing the expenditure to around 7 million. Dear PS Ndemo, please explain to us how the government can find money to place an advert in the print media worth 7 million which only reaches 1 million people yet you are having a problem digitizing critical information? You where able to get bandwidth concessions for the blue eyed boys, the BPO, yet you did not give them any local business to allow them to meet the Pareto principle 80/20, in this case where 80% of their business needs to be local and 20% foreign. All experts on BPO issues who have visited the country have always insisted that without sufficient local business the BPO business cannot work. PS Ndemo, I am sure you have noticed that all the time I have a chance to talk to you the only issue I always raise is "where is the governments 0800 number". You have a say in CCK, Telkom, Safaricom and your ministry why is this proofig to be such a hurdle? A war is won one battle at a time, please plan your battles and the war will be won. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Fri, 9/10/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS an open circuit To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>, kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 8:15 AM Robert, I think it is too early to make such conlusions. It is not easy in any organization to simply digitize or push people in that directions. It is war. I have spent three years fighting to keep the project a life. My commitment to local content are still firm and execution is underway. Once the shared service platform is ready, you will see visible change. The registries in Lands, Judiciary, Motor Vehicle registration, Company Registry and Imigration are all in various stages of procurement process. Change my brother is resisted every where. Those like youself who want to run, please run. We'll support you. On pricing give it a few days and hopefully all will be fine. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:58:41 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] TEAMS an open circuit _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"
Robert you have a point in the access to Internet and local content generation. There is a project currently underway named the Rural Internet Kiosks. It will provide internet connectivity and public computer terminals countrywide with assistance from the Co-Operative movement. They will be accompanies by 5 new ICT4D training schools in locations around the country. The RIKs and training schools will be run on a social enterprise model. They will create local employment and deliver enterprise skills training. Both have been designed to have a fluid training system that can incorporate everyone. We are build a way to bring Access to Knowledge and Education for All. These training centers will specifically teach local content generation and each RIK will have two digital cameras for creating news related stories pertaining to the lives of the people. The digital villages program is not widespread enough to cover the majority of the users in need. At the curent pace of implementation Vision 2030 will be delayed by several years. None of this actually gets ot the heart of the matter which is the extreme need for information and education throughout Kenya. Without access to these resources we will always lag behind. Many blessings, Crystal www.voicesofafrica.org www.ruralinternetkiosks.com www.intersatafrica.com On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:47 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, You are behind news. When we launched the Digital Village in Kangundo, the ten computers were occupied by people respoding to PSC online adverts. Online applications have been going on for some time now. In Western Kenya people get their abstract as well as P3 forms from the Digital Villages.
On 0800 and other emergency numbers there is work going on. We can not do all these things overnight but somethings are happenibg.
Regards
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Date: *Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:02:19 +0000 (GMT) *To: *<kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; < bitange@jambo.co.ke> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Content is king, long live the king
PS Ndemo,
We are looking for more than policy, maybe those of us who have never worked for government have no idea about what the bureaucratic process can be like. But I do not think that the digitization of government registries will create much content of interest to Micheal in Mwatate or Nicholas in Mbita Point.
I am asking for more relevant information to be made available online, take for example the government jobs advertised in todays Nation, how will this information get to Jane in Kerio Valley who graduated from the University 2 years ago and only get to see a news paper when her cousin visits from Eldoret Town. Due to the presence of a GSM signal she can at least get to facebook.
Let me open this up to the web developers out there, how much would you charge to capture those listed jobs and make them accessible on the web? The government paid the Nation about 2.6 million for the 8 pages, I am sure the same information was also in the Standard & Kenya Times bringing the expenditure to around 7 million.
Dear PS Ndemo, please explain to us how the government can find money to place an advert in the print media worth 7 million which only reaches 1 million people yet you are having a problem digitizing critical information?
You where able to get bandwidth concessions for the blue eyed boys, the BPO, yet you did not give them any local business to allow them to meet the Pareto principle 80/20, in this case where 80% of their business needs to be local and 20% foreign.
All experts on BPO issues who have visited the country have always insisted that without sufficient local business the BPO business cannot work.
PS Ndemo, I am sure you have noticed that all the time I have a chance to talk to you the only issue I always raise is "where is the governments 0800 number". You have a say in CCK, Telkom, Safaricom and your ministry why is this proofig to be such a hurdle?
A war is won one battle at a time, please plan your battles and the war will be won.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On *Fri, 9/10/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke>* wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS an open circuit To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>, kictanet-bounces+bitange= jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 8:15 AM
Robert, I think it is too early to make such conlusions. It is not easy in any organization to simply digitize or push people in that directions. It is war.
I have spent three years fighting to keep the project a life. My commitment to local content are still firm and execution is underway. Once the shared service platform is ready, you will see visible change. The registries in Lands, Judiciary, Motor Vehicle registration, Company Registry and Imigration are all in various stages of procurement process.
Change my brother is resisted every where. Those like youself who want to run, please run. We'll support you. On pricing give it a few days and hopefully all will be fine.
Regards
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Folks, Am reading this email and in recent times some posting and i keep having a moment of "deja vu" because we have discussed these things in the past, please lets get DOING. Dont get me wrong, it is good to TALK but lets WALK the TALK. Eric here
Robert you have a point in the access to Internet and local content generation.
There is a project currently underway named the Rural Internet Kiosks. It will provide internet connectivity and public computer terminals countrywide with assistance from the Co-Operative movement. They will be accompanies by 5 new ICT4D training schools in locations around the country. The RIKs and training schools will be run on a social enterprise model. They will create local employment and deliver enterprise skills training. Both have been designed to have a fluid training system that can incorporate everyone. We are build a way to bring Access to Knowledge and Education for All. These training centers will specifically teach local content generation and each RIK will have two digital cameras for creating news related stories pertaining to the lives of the people. The digital villages program is not widespread enough to cover the majority of the users in need. At the curent pace of implementation Vision 2030 will be delayed by several years.
None of this actually gets ot the heart of the matter which is the extreme need for information and education throughout Kenya. Without access to these resources we will always lag behind.
Many blessings,
Crystal
www.voicesofafrica.org www.ruralinternetkiosks.com www.intersatafrica.com
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:47 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, You are behind news. When we launched the Digital Village in Kangundo, the ten computers were occupied by people respoding to PSC online adverts. Online applications have been going on for some time now. In Western Kenya people get their abstract as well as P3 forms from the Digital Villages.
On 0800 and other emergency numbers there is work going on. We can not do all these things overnight but somethings are happenibg.
Regards
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Date: *Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:02:19 +0000 (GMT) *To: *<kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; < bitange@jambo.co.ke> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Content is king, long live the king
PS Ndemo,
We are looking for more than policy, maybe those of us who have never worked for government have no idea about what the bureaucratic process can be like. But I do not think that the digitization of government registries will create much content of interest to Micheal in Mwatate or Nicholas in Mbita Point.
I am asking for more relevant information to be made available online, take for example the government jobs advertised in todays Nation, how will this information get to Jane in Kerio Valley who graduated from the University 2 years ago and only get to see a news paper when her cousin visits from Eldoret Town. Due to the presence of a GSM signal she can at least get to facebook.
Let me open this up to the web developers out there, how much would you charge to capture those listed jobs and make them accessible on the web? The government paid the Nation about 2.6 million for the 8 pages, I am sure the same information was also in the Standard & Kenya Times bringing the expenditure to around 7 million.
Dear PS Ndemo, please explain to us how the government can find money to place an advert in the print media worth 7 million which only reaches 1 million people yet you are having a problem digitizing critical information?
You where able to get bandwidth concessions for the blue eyed boys, the BPO, yet you did not give them any local business to allow them to meet the Pareto principle 80/20, in this case where 80% of their business needs to be local and 20% foreign.
All experts on BPO issues who have visited the country have always insisted that without sufficient local business the BPO business cannot work.
PS Ndemo, I am sure you have noticed that all the time I have a chance to talk to you the only issue I always raise is "where is the governments 0800 number". You have a say in CCK, Telkom, Safaricom and your ministry why is this proofig to be such a hurdle?
A war is won one battle at a time, please plan your battles and the war will be won.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On *Fri, 9/10/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke>* wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS an open circuit To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>, kictanet-bounces+bitange= jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, 9 October, 2009, 8:15 AM
Robert, I think it is too early to make such conlusions. It is not easy in any organization to simply digitize or push people in that directions. It is war.
I have spent three years fighting to keep the project a life. My commitment to local content are still firm and execution is underway. Once the shared service platform is ready, you will see visible change. The registries in Lands, Judiciary, Motor Vehicle registration, Company Registry and Imigration are all in various stages of procurement process.
Change my brother is resisted every where. Those like youself who want to run, please run. We'll support you. On pricing give it a few days and hopefully all will be fine.
Regards
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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