Hi, Waudo, I agree with you about the intuitive nature of software today but we still need to give people basic training, based on your argument someone will suggest that we do not need vehicle driving licenses because cars have become intuitive. We have raised concern about the ICDL issue, the PS has shown openness to the issue and KASNEB are willing to provide an examination therefore can those who have a curriculum please put it forward otherwise we will have no moral duty to prevent the government from implementing ICDL from becoming the official proficiency qualification. At this rate maybe I am backing the wrong horse if those I am defending are refusing to stand and be counted. All we are requesting is that the word "the" be changed to "a" in the Act so that other certifications can be accepted as well now and in the future. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Mon, 11/1/10, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update on ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 11 January, 2010, 9:30 Dear Robert - I was tring to lie low on this because generally end-user licensing is not a priority for us or our international affiliates. I will need to visit the PS to get better information to see if we can add some value. He has the bigger picture of what he is trying to achieve so first I will give that a listen. However the fee of 24,000/= paid to a private organization certainly appears an exorbitant figure to charge poor Kenyans simply to prove they can use a computer. A bigger debate that I could also raise is whether the whole thing is necessary at this point in time given that computer use is getting intuitive with better user interfaces (including point and click GUIs which have been around now for decades) , improved input devices/methodology (e.g. instruct a computer with voice commands or even body movements). Already, for many, convergence has meant "computer" is the same device as their mobile phone or their television set. It has to be clearer to me also how licensing users will work, that is, what is the enforcement mechanism and what are the sanctions for those using the computers without the license? Kind Regards, Waudo   On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:00 +0000, "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi All, Hope the year has begun well and look forward to fruitful interactions. Dr. Waudo, what is the progress on the discussions with KASNEB on the issue of local certifications.  I believe Dr. Ndemo had indicated that he had met with KASNEB and the ball was now in your court. Please give us an update. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 What is possible must be done; what is impossible can be done.