Re: [kictanet] ATU discussions
I was in Accra and quite concerned to see the Kenya delegation quite vocal in its support for the ETNO proposals notwithstanding the potentially negative repercussions of implementing them in a region that can least afford to be cut off of from content or to pay for content. I would expect given how much our government touts Kenya as a "tech hub" they would take a leadership role in ensuring that we support proposals that are not harmful to our countries / regions. Perhaps the CCK / PS Ndemo reps on the list can articulate more the basis for our positions in Accra. It was interesting to see countries like Uganda, Botswana and Zimbabwe argue in support of more progressive positions, while we tended to be on the side of governments with a clear interest in regulating / controlling the Internet. By the way, post-Accra, Africa is the only region to have fully endorsed the ETNO proposals - another issue of concern...do our governments understand what they are endorsing? Why are we supporting proposals other regions have deemed fit to ignore? Ory On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:10 PM, <kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke>wrote:
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Ory, Thank you for your submissions. We had a clear and progressive message to the Ghana meeting after comprehensive discussions in Kenya with stakeholders. It is shocking to know that the team acted contrally to our position. I have not met those who went to Ghana yet. For sure we are taking what we agreed on to Dubai. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Ory Okolloh <ookolloh@gmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 23:03:41 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: ookolloh@gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ATU discussions _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Quite surprising considering that there was a stakeholders meeting during the kenya IGF and later the EAIGF and I don't recall any stakeholder supporting nor endorsing ETNO proposals. In addition, I assume our national position is still under development wuth the CCK having invited stakeholders to submit comments. Best Alice -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+alice=apc.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 02:19:36 To: <alice@apc.org> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ATU discussions Ory, Thank you for your submissions. We had a clear and progressive message to the Ghana meeting after comprehensive discussions in Kenya with stakeholders. It is shocking to know that the team acted contrally to our position. I have not met those who went to Ghana yet. For sure we are taking what we agreed on to Dubai. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Ory Okolloh <ookolloh@gmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 23:03:41 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: ookolloh@gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ATU discussions _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alice%40apc.org The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Ory et al It seems that the Kenyan team presented their own position. Could we be told by the team (I believe led by CCK) how they developed the position? Who gave them the brief to represent Kenya's issues and where did they get the brief? The new constitution gives us a right to know what is presented on our behalf and like others have said here, there was no time that there was support of ETNO proposals. We will be asking too much to ask Omo to share what has been prepared as a national position? RgdsGG
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 02:19:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [kictanet] ATU discussions CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Ory, Thank you for your submissions. We had a clear and progressive message to the Ghana meeting after comprehensive discussions in Kenya with stakeholders. It is shocking to know that the team acted contrally to our position. I have not met those who went to Ghana yet. For sure we are taking what we agreed on to Dubai.
Ndemo.
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And it would be interesting to hear what the justification was (is) for support of the ETNO proposal. Best Alice -----Original Message----- From: Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+alice=apc.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 06:07:46 To: <alice@apc.org> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ATU discussions _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alice%40apc.org The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I urge the CCK Team to promptly respond to this to dispel any discomfort that the community may have that what we have been doing through out this consultation process was a waste of our time... Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPad On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, alice@apc.org wrote:
And it would be interesting to hear what the justification was (is) for support of the ETNO proposal. Best Alice -----Original Message----- From: Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+alice=apc.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 06:07:46 To: <alice@apc.org> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ATU discussions
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Thank you for responding Daktari. More comments later but for starters can we know what the Kenya position that "we have agreed to" is? The Kenya delegation in Accra expressed confidence that their position was aligned with both the Ministry and the CCK. In addition, many other countries in Africa have published and circulated their national positions for comment and in the interests of transparency including Uganda, Senegal, Egypt, Cote D'Ivoire. I know there is a process underway where the CCK is collecting opinions, but it would be helpful for stakeholders / interested parties to know what it is they are to submit opinions on. Regards Ory On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:19 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Ory, Thank you for your submissions. We had a clear and progressive message to the Ghana meeting after comprehensive discussions in Kenya with stakeholders. It is shocking to know that the team acted contrally to our position. I have not met those who went to Ghana yet. For sure we are taking what we agreed on to Dubai.
Ndemo.
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