Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 37
Hi, Did I miss an email giving details of where to access the Master Plan or has it not been availed? Kind regards, Gilda Odera Managing Director Skyweb Technologies Ltd Tel: 254-20-2711446/2711760 Fax: 254-20-2713934 URL:www.skyweb.co.ke ----- Original Message ----- From: <kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: "Gilda Odera" <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 37
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1. Re: Kenya's new registry system (wesley kiriinya) 2. Re: ICT Master Plan debate (pwere@cascadegl.com) 3. Policy Issue Briefs: Key activities the ICANN community will be working on during the Paris meeting (alice wanjira)
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's new registry system To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Message-ID: <575580.74948.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Security was 1 of the items I talked about. There is a thin line between security being used as a wrong excuse not to implement a system and where it's a real concern.
Anyway if all appropriate measures have been taken then it's OK. As I said, I appreciate that effort by the Gvmnt.
--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: From: Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's new registry system To: kiriinya2000@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 11:48 AM
I would like to balance this discussion by pointing out a historical fact.....
Due to "security" concerns our country was held back from a liberalised telecoms industry for years.
There were a lot of misplaced fears which originated from blanket generalisations of new technology and a fear of loss of control by the powers that be.
When I set up KIXP at the end of 2000, it was shut down within two weeks because Telkom Kenya insinuated that it presented a national security risk. It took us one whole year to educate, enlighten and lobby almost every component of the Executive in order to get KIXP re-opened.
Today it is considered a 'national resource' and KRA even wants to have it gazetted so that it can receive 24-hour physical security since it plays such an integral part of Kenya's economy.
I am not saying that we should blind ourselves to the consideration of security concerns, just that it is very easy to further delays innovation and development with hyped up discussions about security (or more appropriately insecurity).
best,
Brian
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : zinjlog.blogspot.com
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
all your arguments are in place.....unfortunately we do not have a cyber crime law in place nor a data privacy law...(subject to be corrected)....so before we go very far.....we need to make Kenyans understand....
1. What is personal/private data?....very few understand that and why it may need to be protected...
2. what are the implications of the data,that this, system will hold, in the hands of a third party?...from here...we can ask for a document for public scrutiny.....what security measures...are in place...etc
Kind Regards,
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:06 PM, <tyrus@icsit.jkuat.ac.ke> wrote:
Wesley,
I totally agree with you on this point.
Its one thing to set up a system where you will have citizens access their
details and its another entirely different thing to ensure its security is
not compromised. Even as these guys come up with this revolutionary
system, am sure they have security in mind and even more importantly have
taken the necessary steps to ensuring that its not compromised. What I
always have qualms with as you are well aware of in skunkworks, is the
reluctance by the developers or system operators to provide room for
Independent Penetration Testing. Granted this is not a panacea for
hack-proofing the system but will make the system devoid of common
vulnerabilities like what we saw in the ipo website.
In America, identity theft has occurred even on their secure servers alike
but if you look at the frequency, its relatively low since tests are
carried out on the system very often and when loop holes are discovered
relevant authorities are informed.
Its a very novel idea the Government is pursuing but even as we speak
there are notable Govt bodies whose IT infrastructure's security is very
sketchy. If there was a dedicated body in the ICT Board to dedicatedly
look into security issues regarding IT growth and implementation, I guess
there would be standards set even when putting a very basic implementation
like a web-site.
Regards,
"fyodor"
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It will be posted on our web asp. Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Gilda Odera" <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:25:03 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 37 Hi, Did I miss an email giving details of where to access the Master Plan or has it not been availed? Kind regards, Gilda Odera Managing Director Skyweb Technologies Ltd Tel: 254-20-2711446/2711760 Fax: 254-20-2713934 URL:www.skyweb.co.ke ----- Original Message ----- From: <kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: "Gilda Odera" <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 37
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's new registry system To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Message-ID: <575580.74948.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Security was 1 of the items I talked about. There is a thin line between security being used as a wrong excuse not to implement a system and where it's a real concern.
Anyway if all appropriate measures have been taken then it's OK. As I said, I appreciate that effort by the Gvmnt.
--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: From: Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's new registry system To: kiriinya2000@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 11:48 AM
I would like to balance this discussion by pointing out a historical fact.....
Due to "security" concerns our country was held back from a liberalised telecoms industry for years.
There were a lot of misplaced fears which originated from blanket generalisations of new technology and a fear of loss of control by the powers that be.
When I set up KIXP at the end of 2000, it was shut down within two weeks because Telkom Kenya insinuated that it presented a national security risk. It took us one whole year to educate, enlighten and lobby almost every component of the Executive in order to get KIXP re-opened.
Today it is considered a 'national resource' and KRA even wants to have it gazetted so that it can receive 24-hour physical security since it plays such an integral part of Kenya's economy.
I am not saying that we should blind ourselves to the consideration of security concerns, just that it is very easy to further delays innovation and development with hyped up discussions about security (or more appropriately insecurity).
best,
Brian
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : zinjlog.blogspot.com
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
all your arguments are in place.....unfortunately we do not have a cyber crime law in place nor a data privacy law...(subject to be corrected)....so before we go very far.....we need to make Kenyans understand....
1. What is personal/private data?....very few understand that and why it may need to be protected...
2. what are the implications of the data,that this, system will hold, in the hands of a third party?...from here...we can ask for a document for public scrutiny.....what security measures...are in place...etc
Kind Regards,
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:06 PM, <tyrus@icsit.jkuat.ac.ke> wrote:
Wesley,
I totally agree with you on this point.
Its one thing to set up a system where you will have citizens access their
details and its another entirely different thing to ensure its security is
not compromised. Even as these guys come up with this revolutionary
system, am sure they have security in mind and even more importantly have
taken the necessary steps to ensuring that its not compromised. What I
always have qualms with as you are well aware of in skunkworks, is the
reluctance by the developers or system operators to provide room for
Independent Penetration Testing. Granted this is not a panacea for
hack-proofing the system but will make the system devoid of common
vulnerabilities like what we saw in the ipo website.
In America, identity theft has occurred even on their secure servers alike
but if you look at the frequency, its relatively low since tests are
carried out on the system very often and when loop holes are discovered
relevant authorities are informed.
Its a very novel idea the Government is pursuing but even as we speak
there are notable Govt bodies whose IT infrastructure's security is very
sketchy. If there was a dedicated body in the ICT Board to dedicatedly
look into security issues regarding IT growth and implementation, I guess
there would be standards set even when putting a very basic implementation
like a web-site.
Regards,
"fyodor"
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:02:11 +0300 From: pwere@cascadegl.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Master Plan debate To: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Message-ID: <1213945331.485b55f3e7d47@www.skyweb.co.ke> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
How do we access the Master Plan? I would like a copy.
Quoting waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>:
Yes, if there is a place where the plan or the summary can be downloaded I would also be interested in a copy. Waudo
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:23:07 -0700, "Joshua Goldstein" <joshgoldstein@google.com> said: People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).
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Message: 3 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:42:29 +0300 From: "alice wanjira" <wanjiraalice@gmail.com> Subject: [kictanet] Policy Issue Briefs: Key activities the ICANN community will be working on during the Paris meeting To: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Message-ID: <9c8b2d9f0806200142s48a7d6c7g8f7973fee90e4504@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Posted on ICANN's website at <http://www.icann.org/policy/briefs/> are /Policy Issue Briefs/ <http://www.icann.org/policy/briefs/> about some of the key activities the ICANN community is working on in Paris and beyond:
Domain Name Monetization <http://www.icann.org/policy/briefs/domain-name-monetization-jun08.pdf>
Internationalized Domain Names (IDNs) <http://www.icann.org/policy/briefs/internationalized-domain-names-jun08.pdf>
New gTLDs <http://www.icann.org/policy/briefs/new-gtlds-jun08.pdf>
WHOIS <http://www.icann.org/policy/briefs/whois-jun08.pdf>
/Policy Issue Briefs/ <http://www.icann.org/policy/briefs/> are basic introductions to important areas of Internet policy development that are being addressed by the ICANN community's bottom-up, consensus based, policymaking structure. They are designed and written by ICANN Policy Staff to accommodate newcomers to ICANN, as well as ICANN issue veterans who may desire basic information on an unfamiliar issue. Translated versions of all /Issue Briefs/ will be available soon online. We would appreciate your suggestions of additional topics for future /Policy Issue Briefs <http://www.icann.org/policy/briefs/> -- /please send them to /policy-staff@icann.org <mailto:policy-staff@icann.org>. /Comments on the substance of these /Issue Briefs/ is also welcome and should be sent to the same email address.
We encourage people to go beyond these brief introductions (if they are not involved in these issues) and learn more about the work of the ICANN community. To facilitate this, links to information on current Policy development activities are provided in the left side-bar of this webpage <http://www.icann.org/policy/briefs/>, and we have included in each /Issue Brief/ URLs to additional information. We also invite you to receive regular updates on ICANN policy development activities via e-mail by subscribing to the monthly / //Policy Updates <http://www.icann.org/topics/policy/>/ (previous /Updates/ <http://www.icann.org/topics/policy/> can be found at <http://www.icann.org/topics/policy/>). To subscribe, simply visit the ICANN Subscription page <http://www.icann.org/newsletter/> at <http://icann.org/newsletter/>, enter your e-mail address, and then click on /ICANN Policy Update/.
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Thank you in advance Bw. PS. Also the RFP on the BPO Park if possible. These and other useful documents will help us give better informed input. BTW the ICT Board appears to have no link on the Ministry website? Kind Regards, Waudo On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:06:34 +0000, bitange@jambo.co.ke said:
It will be posted on our web asp.
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:25:03 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 37
Hi,
Did I miss an email giving details of where to access the Master Plan or has it not been availed?
Kind regards,
Gilda Odera Managing Director Skyweb Technologies Ltd Tel: 254-20-2711446/2711760 Fax: 254-20-2713934 URL:www.skyweb.co.ke ----- Original Message ----- From: <kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: "Gilda Odera" <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 37
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's new registry system To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Message-ID: <575580.74948.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Security was 1 of the items I talked about. There is a thin line between security being used as a wrong excuse not to implement a system and where it's a real concern.
Anyway if all appropriate measures have been taken then it's OK. As I said, I appreciate that effort by the Gvmnt.
--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: From: Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's new registry system To: kiriinya2000@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 11:48 AM
I would like to balance this discussion by pointing out a historical fact.....
Due to "security" concerns our country was held back from a liberalised telecoms industry for years.
There were a lot of misplaced fears which originated from blanket generalisations of new technology and a fear of loss of control by the powers that be.
When I set up KIXP at the end of 2000, it was shut down within two weeks because Telkom Kenya insinuated that it presented a national security risk. It took us one whole year to educate, enlighten and lobby almost every component of the Executive in order to get KIXP re-opened.
Today it is considered a 'national resource' and KRA even wants to have it gazetted so that it can receive 24-hour physical security since it plays such an integral part of Kenya's economy.
I am not saying that we should blind ourselves to the consideration of security concerns, just that it is very easy to further delays innovation and development with hyped up discussions about security (or more appropriately insecurity).
best,
Brian
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : zinjlog.blogspot.com
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
all your arguments are in place.....unfortunately we do not have a cyber crime law in place nor a data privacy law...(subject to be corrected)....so before we go very far.....we need to make Kenyans understand....
1. What is personal/private data?....very few understand that and why it may need to be protected...
2. what are the implications of the data,that this, system will hold, in the hands of a third party?...from here...we can ask for a document for public scrutiny.....what security measures...are in place...etc
Kind Regards,
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:06 PM, <tyrus@icsit.jkuat.ac.ke> wrote:
Wesley,
I totally agree with you on this point.
Its one thing to set up a system where you will have citizens access their
details and its another entirely different thing to ensure its security is
not compromised. Even as these guys come up with this revolutionary
system, am sure they have security in mind and even more importantly have
taken the necessary steps to ensuring that its not compromised. What I
always have qualms with as you are well aware of in skunkworks, is the
reluctance by the developers or system operators to provide room for
Independent Penetration Testing. Granted this is not a panacea for
hack-proofing the system but will make the system devoid of common
vulnerabilities like what we saw in the ipo website.
In America, identity theft has occurred even on their secure servers alike
but if you look at the frequency, its relatively low since tests are
carried out on the system very often and when loop holes are discovered
relevant authorities are informed.
Its a very novel idea the Government is pursuing but even as we speak
there are notable Govt bodies whose IT infrastructure's security is very
sketchy. If there was a dedicated body in the ICT Board to dedicatedly
look into security issues regarding IT growth and implementation, I guess
there would be standards set even when putting a very basic implementation
like a web-site.
Regards,
"fyodor"
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