Re: [kictanet] Bringing Sanity Back to our Roads
Yes, it's impunity at every level, and also precisely the reason why even the prettiest new constitution won't make a blind bit of difference unless enforced - or observed. And plenty of us are probably drivers. -----Original Message----- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Sent: 07/02/2011, 16:11 To: Andrea Bohnstedt Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bringing Sanity Back to our Roads Andrea, It is simply impunity- period. As long as no action is taken on such rogues, no amount of education will help them. All we need is law enforcement in every single aspect of our daily lives. Question is how to make the law enforcers enforce the law. Gilda Quoting Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com>:
'Overlapping' happens absolutely everywhere. By matatus, by big buses, by taxis, by normal drivers, by people in posh four-wheel drives. A four-wheel drive with a diplomatic number plate squeezed past me yesterday whilst the driver was on the phone no less.
I had a four-wheel drive and a matatu literally (and I mean literally) in the back of my knees walking my dog to the vet. On the pavement. A policeman stood around the corner dreamily staring into a bush.
I think the name-and-shame approach is a start - because everything else looks so hopeless: Part of Nairobi's nightmare traffic could be resolved if everyone were either a bit more willing to obey traffic rules and consider the life and health of their fellow citizens, or if the traffic police enforced rule-abiding behaviour rather than shake everyone down for a bribe and then let them do the same thing again.
In addition, I'd love a public education campaign on the basics of driving. E.e. some explanation of what a slip road is (to slip into traffic, not to crouch at the beginning, and then fling yourself across several lanes like the metaphorical lemming with a death wish), that the use of an indicator is ever so helpful for anyone behind you because it actually indicates where you're going, ......
I'd like a matatu/bus lane only to be used by matatus/buses - but they mustn't leave it.
I'd like each matatu to have a number to clearly identify it, and a central register where you can report them. Yeah, I know, funny.
Does anyone have any better ideas?
On 7 February 2011 14:43, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
With all due respect to the developers/promoters of this, I do not get it.
1 - overlapping - We all know where motorists tend to overlap (Waiyaki Way from Lion place all the way to Old Safaricom house, Lower Kabete Road near Sarit Centre, the deceleration lane after brookside drive, etc) - that remains constant given the fixed nature of roads. How does this help? 2 - Speeding - this is a variable in the sense that it has nothing to do with location rather the driver and the time of day and traffic conditions. It may happen along the 200 stretch of road outside the Mall/Bus stage - or it may happen between kangemi and ABC Place - again, how is this useful? 3 - How to Report
1. By sending an email toalert@overlap.co.ke 2. By sending a tweet with the hashtag/s*overlapKE* 3. By filling this form <http://www.overlap.co.ke/reports/submit/>
I do not think I need to explain - perhaps a passenger can take their eyes off the road to key in this info but a driver SHOULD not - and if its not real time info, then its no good.
4 - Defective/unroadworthy car - I'd rather have real time info on serious accidents (trailer lying across the road from 0900....or road closed for construction/etc etc - that unroadworthy car will move off the road or get towed eventually....
As a tax payer, one thing I would not mind seeing is reports of GK vehicles being driven after hours or on the weekend (at least for any whistle blowing value that may have). Also car jacking black spots.
I also have concerns on how the reporting is moderated - what is to stop someone submitting false information. I recall pointing out this particular aspect to one of the developers/founders of Ushahidi - esp any affect that may have had on perpetrating PEV and helping the mobs know where to avoid or where to go...
On 7 February 2011 14:17, Norman Boinett <nboinett@gmail.com> wrote:
I came across this site Overlap.co.ke <http://www.overlap.co.ke/> ( #overlapKE ) posted by Bankelele I think it is a great idea and it definitely needs our support. it helps rank serial over-lappers it also points out over-lapping hot-spots.
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'Overlapping' happens absolutely everywhere. By matatus, by big buses, by taxis, by normal drivers, by people in posh four-wheel drives. A four-wheel drive with a diplomatic number plate squeezed past me yesterday whilst the driver was on the phone no less.
I had a four-wheel drive and a matatu literally (and I mean literally) in the back of my knees walking my dog to the vet. On the pavement. A
stood around the corner dreamily staring into a bush.
I think the name-and-shame approach is a start - because everything else looks so hopeless: Part of Nairobi's nightmare traffic could be resolved if everyone were either a bit more willing to obey traffic rules and consider the life and health of their fellow citizens, or if the traffic police enforced rule-abiding behaviour rather than shake everyone down for a bribe and then let them do the same thing again.
In addition, I'd love a public education campaign on the basics of driving. E.e. some explanation of what a slip road is (to slip into traffic, not to crouch at the beginning, and then fling yourself across several lanes like the metaphorical lemming with a death wish), that the use of an indicator is ever so helpful for anyone behind you because it actually indicates where you're going, ......
I'd like a matatu/bus lane only to be used by matatus/buses - but they mustn't leave it.
I'd like each matatu to have a number to clearly identify it, and a central register where you can report them. Yeah, I know, funny.
Does anyone have any better ideas?
On 7 February 2011 14:43, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
With all due respect to the developers/promoters of this, I do not get it.
1 - overlapping - We all know where motorists tend to overlap (Waiyaki Way from Lion place all the way to Old Safaricom house, Lower Kabete Road near Sarit Centre, the deceleration lane after brookside drive, etc) - that remains constant given the fixed nature of roads. How does this help? 2 - Speeding - this is a variable in the sense that it has nothing to do with location rather the driver and the time of day and traffic conditions. It may happen along the 200 stretch of road outside the Mall/Bus stage
Matunda/all, The European & American system works very well. For this to work, I suggest the following to take place at the new County levels: 1. Digitize all driving records in the county, and register drivers based on their county of residence and to link the driver record to traffic offences (point system for drunk driving, speeding, and any other traffic violations) 2. The digitized licenses should hold such information as a requirement to wear glasses when driving, etc 3. Provide a platform, and requisite training for traffic police to log and tag traffic offences (real-time) to a central county database which the insurance companies can reference before renewing the drivers insurance policy. 4. Register vehicles (tags-number plates) based on the county of residence of the vehicle owner against the owners drivers license, renewable yearly (even through in an emissions test program-we'll all breathe easier and rid of jalopies) 5. Like Andrea has stated, dedicate lanes for trucks, high occupancy vehicles, etc 6. Implement a functional highway patrol department , that warn motorists of broken down vehicles, tow them away at a fee, rescue stranded motorists at a fee, etc (more revenue for the county) 7. With all the above in place, employ technology like red-light cameras that automatically takes a photo of the vehicle tags whenever you jump a light, and attach this to the vehicle records, and by default the primary registered driver of the vehicle, and the next time they try to renew, they be forced to pay the fines from their many offences. 8. Tag the DL to a national ID/PP so that the sneaky drivers do not change licenses/names after causing carnage in another county However, for the above to work, the county then must provide the requisite infrastructure (proper highway lighting, driver information centers, annual driver license evaluation and renewal centers without extensive queues) My 2 cents Edwin Best Regards, Edwin M Onchari 0720755951 eonchari@lynxbits.com -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:11 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bringing Sanity Back to our Roads Yes, it's impunity at every level, and also precisely the reason why even the prettiest new constitution won't make a blind bit of difference unless enforced - or observed. And plenty of us are probably drivers. -----Original Message----- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Sent: 07/02/2011, 16:11 To: Andrea Bohnstedt Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bringing Sanity Back to our Roads Andrea, It is simply impunity- period. As long as no action is taken on such rogues, no amount of education will help them. All we need is law enforcement in every single aspect of our daily lives. Question is how to make the law enforcers enforce the law. Gilda Quoting Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com>: policeman -
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it may happen between kangemi and ABC Place - again, how is this useful? 3 - How to Report
1. By sending an email toalert@overlap.co.ke 2. By sending a tweet with the hashtag/s*overlapKE* 3. By filling this form <http://www.overlap.co.ke/reports/submit/>
I do not think I need to explain - perhaps a passenger can take their eyes off the road to key in this info but a driver SHOULD not - and if its not real time info, then its no good.
4 - Defective/unroadworthy car - I'd rather have real time info on serious accidents (trailer lying across the road from 0900....or road closed for construction/etc etc - that unroadworthy car will move off the road or get towed eventually....
As a tax payer, one thing I would not mind seeing is reports of GK vehicles being driven after hours or on the weekend (at least for any whistle blowing value that may have). Also car jacking black spots.
I also have concerns on how the reporting is moderated - what is to stop someone submitting false information. I recall pointing out this particular aspect to one of the developers/founders of Ushahidi - esp any affect that may have had on perpetrating PEV and helping the mobs know where to avoid or where to go...
On 7 February 2011 14:17, Norman Boinett <nboinett@gmail.com> wrote:
I came across this site Overlap.co.ke <http://www.overlap.co.ke/> ( #overlapKE ) posted by Bankelele I think it is a great idea and it definitely needs our support. it helps rank serial over-lappers it also points out over-lapping hot-spots.
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