Re: [kictanet] [Fwd: Re: Day 5 of 10- BPO Discussions, HR Issues]
Ikua, Very true. Security procedures for many organisations is often considered an extra cost burden to be avoided. It actually requires compelling legislation to have it practiced and instituted - not just in BPO setups but accross other sectors as well. I long for the day when organisations file their (financial) audited accounts TOGETHER with their Information Systems (IS) Audits. walu. --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Evans Ikua <ikua@lpakenya.org> wrote:
From: Evans Ikua <ikua@lpakenya.org> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Fwd: Re: Day 5 of 10- BPO Discussions, HR Issues] To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 11:23 AM Listers, One area I see as a major challenge for our industry will be Security (Data Protection). For any oversees company to outsource their data processing to us, they will need to see data protection legislation in place. This will assure them that their data and information will not be vulnerable. I suggest that the PS should fast track the Data Protection Bill and also involve the industry in the process.
KEBS is in the process of adopting certain ISO standards on IT security but there is an urgent need for legislation in this area.
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Quoting godera@skyweb.co.ke:
Dr.Ndemo,
This is very encouraging. We at the Kenya BPO and
initiated a similar sensitisation program with the late Dr.Juma Okech who had so graciously agreed to facilitate the sensitisation engagements with various government departments but as fate would have it,we lost our dear friend. I can see the predicament on the argument on why other organisations would also not ask for tax breaks thus creating a major headache for government but I believe there are other incentives for local BPOs that we can possibly work out,especially in the area of skills development.
Gilda Odera Quoting bitange@jambo.co.ke:
Listers, I have consulted with my colleagues in those departments that are looking at outsourcing and they are willing to discuss with stakeholders to gain better understanding of the trade. I will
meeting towards the end of the month.
One thing that may be difficult for us is the Tax Break request for local BPO organizations. If that is granted, Treasury will be hard put to explain why all other organizations should not get
understand tax break for export of service but locally sourced jobs, we may be asking for too much.
Ndemo.
Excellent point! I think we are making
a huge mistake especially in light
of the post election violence focusing so heavily on the foreign investors and the international BPO market.
I have been following this discussion and as a local BPO operator focused on the domestic market I can tell you we have a difficult time convincing local companies to outsource and while all
think we are missing the point. If the
aren't we focusing on how to develop this industry as quickly and effectively as possible? In my view the low hanging fruit are the domestic opportunities but we need a lot more work in the form of government incentives to operators AND businesses to promote and support the nascent outsourcing industry. Yes, I read the post on the judiciary plans to outsource the transcription but I
that can be outsourced and if the government wasn't so focused on the foreign investor and looked at the government as a consumer of outsourced services and the local private sector we may make more progress. My hope is that we can focus on creating the environment that makes it conducive to manage and operate domestic BPOs which will be building capacity while we manage and frankly repair our much tarnished image abroad. Just like a company needs to look at reinvesting retained earnings before it seeks outside financing, we need to look at what we can do locally before we start tapping the international market, especially given the heightened risk factors that Kenya faces since 2007/8.
This means: 1. Government departments, agencies outsourcing work to local companies and looking at outsourcing not as a way to shed jobs but as a means to better manage scare resources. 2. Tax breaks for local BPO operators and private companies contracting outsourcing services locally to incentivize operator investment and company adaption of services in this industry. Tax breaks should be immediate and not dependant on the entry or attraction of foreign investors. Those of us currently in operation are betting on Kenya. Instead of waiting we are putting our money to work believing in the future of this country...I don't think we are asking for too much when we ask the government to support our development. 3. Less focus on what we do not have and a greater focus on what we have. Skills, entrepreneurs and an optimistic view of our country as well as a domestic market and potential to tap into the larger regional market (EAC & COMESA).
Finally, I am of the contrarian view: we have
we are not willing to start where we are we are asking students and graduates to pay more money to get additional certification before we can get foreign investors interested in our country...Frankly I think we place too much stock in certificates and paper qualifications. If we ask these graduates to take another training class with
opportunity they will...instead I suggest we recognize the current intellectual capital that we have and those of us in the industry focus on the job training and going back to the role
obtain tax credits for this on the job
graduates have work and build on that instead of creating additional hurdles to employment.
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10- BPO Discussions, HR Issues From: "S.Murigi Muraya" <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> Date: Mon, June 8, 2009 5:17
To: mkamuru@emanageafrica.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Priority: Normal
Let us also factor in on the job training to improve our skill sets. Software engineers become masters of
by exchanging (code and concepts) with
possibly contributes to less than 10% of all their success.
There have been a number of comments in
comparing us with India, South Africa and Mauritius.
We cannot rely on the whims of those with negative (but often valid) perceptions towards us. We need to give ourselves a chance that is of our own creation.
@ 40 Million (our 2010 population) growing at 2.5% (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ke.html and others estimate our population growth @ almost 2.7% per annum) we will add 1 Million Kenyans to our
see us with a population of at least 60 Million.
With that in mind and given the fact
current (and unfortunately valid) excuse to avoid Kenya, we would be most ignorant NOT to focus most of our BPO efforts internally. This will build up LOCAL companies and on a REGIONAL basis. This will build up local talent who may otherwise be demoralized for not being Western enough to Foreign BPO companies.
bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Walubengo, With respect to capacity building,
following Established Multimedia University to focus on IT Skills Development; Contracted the Central Bureau of Statistics through CCK to conduct ICT Skills inventory in Kenya and Set up a task force to look into Skills development as recommended by MaKinsey in the just concluded Value Proposition. We are in the
into the committee.
Although we do not have a sector strategy on Capacity building, the Governemnt takes issues of skills development very seriously. This is a matter that NESC emphasizes as key to our competitiveness. In this regard we look forward to a quick finalization of the skills inventory and the task force recommendation.
Regards
Ndemo.
> -Day 5 of 10- BPO Discussions, Human Capacity Issues > > Morning all, > > I trust you had a refreshing weekend. Today I want to introduce the > theme > on Human Resource Development for
> found > that India, S.Africa and Mauritius had a comprehensive inventory of > their > skill-base that was also available for Validation by prospective > employers > and investors. Another observation was ofcourse the sheer numbers of > Indian graduates (millions) that made it the largest base of highly > skilled pool of graduates with strong mathematical/scientific > orientation. > Whereas, Mauritius was
> per > year compared to Kenya's 30,000
> of > properly documenting their national graduates database and marketing > it > appropriately to potential clients in Europe/America. In addition, > the > Researchers noted that Mauritius had a government funded but > Private-Sector oriented ICT Academy that produced graduates > specificially > for the ICT industry. > > In Kenya, the Researchers observed that apart from the lack of a > national > database on the available skills/graduates, some of the BPO operators > were > engaged in vicious poaching cycles where Agents trained in-house by > one > Operater are immediately hired by
> noted, > that an attempt has been made by
> Industry-specific University (Multimedia University College of Kenya) > to > address the HR gap but its success or otherwise will remain to be seen > in > a few years time. The Researchers also noted that Kenya's > English-speaking labor force had an edge over the Indian one given > that > the average Kenyan had a "neutral" accent unlike the Indian graduate > who > tended to have an "ethnic" accent
Contact Centre Society had therefore arrange for this the tax break. I this talk is good frankly I point is development, then why think there is plenty more work the skill set, but because the promise of better that government can play, training. Lets us make sure these pm their craft by doing projects and their peers. A classroom setting these (BPO) discussions population next year. 2030 is sure to political instability is the the Government has done the process of appointing other stakeholders the BPO industry. The Researchers producing only 10,000 (university) graduates per year, Mauritius had the advantage the Competing Operators. It was the .KE Government to create an that often distracted the
> Euro-American > %3
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