Beba Pay card and national biometric registration: The big brother syndrome
Let’s start with the much hyped “beba pay” system. Having travelled numerously to America, Canada, South Africa and a few countries in Europe, I must inform Kenyans that they have been duped. No country in the world has imposed restrictions on their citizens using cash money to pay for transport services. Track your every moveThe only thing that is done with regard to enforcing the use of cards is that special discounts are offered to those who pay using their cards.The truth is that the government will track your every move from now henceforth since all the cards are connected to a central data base system. What if some corrupt government official sells the said information to thugs; will they not be able to track your every move? http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Beba-Pay-card-and-national-biometric-re...
@GG, I disagree with the Columnist on the transport bit. First, there are cities that don't accept cash in their public transport. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/london-buses-no-longer-accepting-381982... As IT practitioners, we should understand the immense advantages of automation like efficiency, time saving, no change problems, discounts, no arbitrary ticking of fares, E.t.c. On issues of surveillance, the civil society should look at the matter more closely. Warm Regards On 13/07/2014, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Let's start with the much hyped "beba pay" system. Having travelled numerously to America, Canada, South Africa and a few countries in Europe, I must inform Kenyans that they have been duped. No country in the world has imposed restrictions on their citizens using cash money to pay for transport services. Track your every moveThe only thing that is done with regard to enforcing the use of cards is that special discounts are offered to those who pay using their cards.The truth is that the government will track your every move from now henceforth since all the cards are connected to a central data base system. What if some corrupt government official sells the said information to thugs; will they not be able to track your every move? http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Beba-Pay-card-and-national-biometric-re...
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In South Africa, in order to use the Gautrain, you need to purchase a Gautrain Card and then put credit on it. The Card itself is about R10 ($1). It contains no personal ID information. However, I presume a fair number of people add credit straight from their Credit Card... so it's technically possible to track the Identity of the Card to the person who buys the credit. The same Gautrain card is also used to enter/exit the railway parking garages. No idea if cameras are used in the transaction. (The parking Entry/Exit camera's at OT Airport *do* record your car registration - so the entry ticket number plate has to match the same registration plates on exit - ie Number Plate recognition is in use.) Anyway - the Gautrain is technically Cashless - except "recharge" systems are available to top up your cards at the station entrance. On Sun, 2014-07-13 at 09:31 +0000, Grace Githaiga via kictanet wrote:
Let’s start with the much hyped “beba pay” system. Having travelled numerously to America, Canada, South Africa and a few countries in Europe, I must inform Kenyans that they have been duped. No country in the world has imposed restrictions on their citizens using cash money to pay for transport services.
Track your every move
The only thing that is done with regard to enforcing the use of cards is that special discounts are offered to those who pay using their cards.
The truth is that the government will track your every move from now henceforth since all the cards are connected to a central data base system. What if some corrupt government official sells the said information to thugs; will they not be able to track your every move?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Beba-Pay-card-and-national-biometric-re...
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Hi Mark, We will be covering financial services for transport and other public services as part of our annual AITEC Banking & Mobile Money Conference in Nairobi over 10-11 September. You (and other members on the list) would be welcome to make a presentation or participate in a panel discussion on this or any of the other topics we will be covering. The programme outline is attached. Regards, Sean Moroney Chairman AITEC Africa seanm@aitecafrica.com|Skype: seanmoroney London Office: +44(0)2084411231|Cambridge Office: +44(0)1480880480 Kenya Office: +254(0)717410132| UK Mobile: +44(0)7973499224 Ghana Mobile: +233(0)578464032|Kenya Mobile: +254(0)721845674 Mozambique Mobile: +258-820880583|Nigeria Mobile +234(0)7011961413 www.aitecafrica.com Follow us at: LinkedIn Facebook Twitter Youtube AITEC Africa is the trading name of AITEC Conferences Ltd UK registration number 4698475 -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Elkins via kictanet Sent: 13 July 2014 12:17 To: Sean Moroney Subject: Re: [kictanet] Beba Pay card and national biometric registration: The big brother syndrome In South Africa, in order to use the Gautrain, you need to purchase a Gautrain Card and then put credit on it. The Card itself is about R10 ($1). It contains no personal ID information. However, I presume a fair number of people add credit straight from their Credit Card... so it's technically possible to track the Identity of the Card to the person who buys the credit. The same Gautrain card is also used to enter/exit the railway parking garages. No idea if cameras are used in the transaction. (The parking Entry/Exit camera's at OT Airport *do* record your car registration - so the entry ticket number plate has to match the same registration plates on exit - ie Number Plate recognition is in use.) Anyway - the Gautrain is technically Cashless - except "recharge" systems are available to top up your cards at the station entrance. On Sun, 2014-07-13 at 09:31 +0000, Grace Githaiga via kictanet wrote:
Let’s start with the much hyped “beba pay” system. Having travelled numerously to America, Canada, South Africa and a few countries in Europe, I must inform Kenyans that they have been duped. No country in the world has imposed restrictions on their citizens using cash money to pay for transport services.
Track your every move
The only thing that is done with regard to enforcing the use of cards is that special discounts are offered to those who pay using their cards.
The truth is that the government will track your every move from now henceforth since all the cards are connected to a central data base system. What if some corrupt government official sells the said information to thugs; will they not be able to track your every move?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Beba-Pay-card-and-national-biomet ric-registration/-/440808/2381900/-/12latj2/-/index.html
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NYC, Hong Kong, Cape Town, Vienna all require cards. The cards can be bought with cash or credit card. Istanbul also has tokens but it's the same thing, cash or credit card. Now that I think of it, I can't think of an urban transport system that takes cash/coins anymore. As far as tracking, NY did that successfully where they let people out of prison, gave them marked metrocards, and then used the card to figure out where accomplices they were looking for might be. Here's one of the stories on this type of thing: http://nypost.com/2005/11/15/card-trick-cops-track-fire-perv-on-subway-exclu... -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Sean Moroney via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Mark,
We will be covering financial services for transport and other public services as part of our annual AITEC Banking & Mobile Money Conference in Nairobi over 10-11 September. You (and other members on the list) would be welcome to make a presentation or participate in a panel discussion on this or any of the other topics we will be covering. The programme outline is attached.
Regards,
Sean Moroney Chairman AITEC Africa seanm@aitecafrica.com|Skype: seanmoroney London Office: +44(0)2084411231|Cambridge Office: +44(0)1480880480 Kenya Office: +254(0)717410132| UK Mobile: +44(0)7973499224 Ghana Mobile: +233(0)578464032|Kenya Mobile: +254(0)721845674 Mozambique Mobile: +258-820880583|Nigeria Mobile +234(0)7011961413 www.aitecafrica.com
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-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+seanm= aitecafrica.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Elkins via kictanet Sent: 13 July 2014 12:17 To: Sean Moroney Subject: Re: [kictanet] Beba Pay card and national biometric registration: The big brother syndrome
In South Africa, in order to use the Gautrain, you need to purchase a Gautrain Card and then put credit on it.
The Card itself is about R10 ($1). It contains no personal ID information. However, I presume a fair number of people add credit straight from their Credit Card... so it's technically possible to track the Identity of the Card to the person who buys the credit. The same Gautrain card is also used to enter/exit the railway parking garages. No idea if cameras are used in the transaction. (The parking Entry/Exit camera's at OT Airport *do* record your car registration - so the entry ticket number plate has to match the same registration plates on exit - ie Number Plate recognition is in use.)
Anyway - the Gautrain is technically Cashless - except "recharge" systems are available to top up your cards at the station entrance.
On Sun, 2014-07-13 at 09:31 +0000, Grace Githaiga via kictanet wrote:
Let’s start with the much hyped “beba pay” system. Having travelled numerously to America, Canada, South Africa and a few countries in Europe, I must inform Kenyans that they have been duped. No country in the world has imposed restrictions on their citizens using cash money to pay for transport services.
Track your every move
The only thing that is done with regard to enforcing the use of cards is that special discounts are offered to those who pay using their cards.
The truth is that the government will track your every move from now henceforth since all the cards are connected to a central data base system. What if some corrupt government official sells the said information to thugs; will they not be able to track your every move?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Beba-Pay-card-and-national-biomet ric-registration/-/440808/2381900/-/12latj2/-/index.html
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Mark, this looks very similar to the London Oyster card which is RFID based. I presume there are many card systems in London but the Oyster is most popular. Registration of the card is not mandatory but as from July, you cannot travel on the Overground bus network with cash. The card costs £5 and you prepay upto around £90. They have many packages in the card like Student pass, pay as you go, freedom pass, weekly pass, monthly pass E.t.c. each with different discount options. The card is valid on the National Rail, underground, overground, trams, and river services, with substantial cheaper fares than paying cash. It is estimated that 99% of Londoners use this card to travel. Registration of the card has the added advantage of protection from loss. Imagine losing a card with £90 which is the maximum you can load on the Oyster. What I find interesting thought is the Freedom pass on the Oyster card given to people over 65years or the disabled to act as a free travel pass. On 13/07/2014, Mark Elkins via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In South Africa, in order to use the Gautrain, you need to purchase a Gautrain Card and then put credit on it.
The Card itself is about R10 ($1). It contains no personal ID information. However, I presume a fair number of people add credit straight from their Credit Card... so it's technically possible to track the Identity of the Card to the person who buys the credit. The same Gautrain card is also used to enter/exit the railway parking garages. No idea if cameras are used in the transaction. (The parking Entry/Exit camera's at OT Airport *do* record your car registration - so the entry ticket number plate has to match the same registration plates on exit - ie Number Plate recognition is in use.)
Anyway - the Gautrain is technically Cashless - except "recharge" systems are available to top up your cards at the station entrance.
On Sun, 2014-07-13 at 09:31 +0000, Grace Githaiga via kictanet wrote:
Let's start with the much hyped "beba pay" system. Having travelled numerously to America, Canada, South Africa and a few countries in Europe, I must inform Kenyans that they have been duped. No country in the world has imposed restrictions on their citizens using cash money to pay for transport services.
Track your every move
The only thing that is done with regard to enforcing the use of cards is that special discounts are offered to those who pay using their cards.
The truth is that the government will track your every move from now henceforth since all the cards are connected to a central data base system. What if some corrupt government official sells the said information to thugs; will they not be able to track your every move?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Beba-Pay-card-and-national-biometric-re...
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Mark, this looks very similar to the London Oyster card which is RFID based. I presume there are many card systems in London but the Oyster is most popular. Registration of the card is not mandatory but as from July, you cannot travel on the Overground bus network with cash. The card costs £5 and you prepay upto around £90. They have many packages in the card like Student pass, pay as you go, freedom pass, weekly pass, monthly pass E.t.c. each with different discount options. The card is valid on the National Rail, underground, overground, trams, and river services, with substantial cheaper fares than paying cash. It is estimated that 99% of Londoners use this card to travel. Registration of the card has the added advantage of protection from loss. Imagine losing a card with £90 which is the maximum you can load on the Oyster. What I find interesting thought is the Freedom pass on the Oyster card given to people over 65years or the disabled to act as a free travel pass. On 13/07/2014, Mark Elkins via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In South Africa, in order to use the Gautrain, you need to purchase a Gautrain Card and then put credit on it.
The Card itself is about R10 ($1). It contains no personal ID information. However, I presume a fair number of people add credit straight from their Credit Card... so it's technically possible to track the Identity of the Card to the person who buys the credit. The same Gautrain card is also used to enter/exit the railway parking garages. No idea if cameras are used in the transaction. (The parking Entry/Exit camera's at OT Airport *do* record your car registration - so the entry ticket number plate has to match the same registration plates on exit - ie Number Plate recognition is in use.)
Anyway - the Gautrain is technically Cashless - except "recharge" systems are available to top up your cards at the station entrance.
On Sun, 2014-07-13 at 09:31 +0000, Grace Githaiga via kictanet wrote:
Let's start with the much hyped "beba pay" system. Having travelled numerously to America, Canada, South Africa and a few countries in Europe, I must inform Kenyans that they have been duped. No country in the world has imposed restrictions on their citizens using cash money to pay for transport services.
Track your every move
The only thing that is done with regard to enforcing the use of cards is that special discounts are offered to those who pay using their cards.
The truth is that the government will track your every move from now henceforth since all the cards are connected to a central data base system. What if some corrupt government official sells the said information to thugs; will they not be able to track your every move?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Beba-Pay-card-and-national-biometric-re...
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Guys lets get serious. If the government wants to know where you are and track you they will do it without help from a metro card. Your phone no, Bank account, workplace, residence are all easily available to a well oiled government agency. On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mark, this looks very similar to the London Oyster card which is RFID based. I presume there are many card systems in London but the Oyster is most popular. Registration of the card is not mandatory but as from July, you cannot travel on the Overground bus network with cash. The card costs £5 and you prepay upto around £90. They have many packages in the card like Student pass, pay as you go, freedom pass, weekly pass, monthly pass E.t.c. each with different discount options.
The card is valid on the National Rail, underground, overground, trams, and river services, with substantial cheaper fares than paying cash. It is estimated that 99% of Londoners use this card to travel.
Registration of the card has the added advantage of protection from loss. Imagine losing a card with £90 which is the maximum you can load on the Oyster.
What I find interesting thought is the Freedom pass on the Oyster card given to people over 65years or the disabled to act as a free travel pass.
On 13/07/2014, Mark Elkins via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In South Africa, in order to use the Gautrain, you need to purchase a Gautrain Card and then put credit on it.
The Card itself is about R10 ($1). It contains no personal ID information. However, I presume a fair number of people add credit straight from their Credit Card... so it's technically possible to track the Identity of the Card to the person who buys the credit. The same Gautrain card is also used to enter/exit the railway parking garages. No idea if cameras are used in the transaction. (The parking Entry/Exit camera's at OT Airport *do* record your car registration - so the entry ticket number plate has to match the same registration plates on exit - ie Number Plate recognition is in use.)
Anyway - the Gautrain is technically Cashless - except "recharge" systems are available to top up your cards at the station entrance.
On Sun, 2014-07-13 at 09:31 +0000, Grace Githaiga via kictanet wrote:
Let's start with the much hyped "beba pay" system. Having travelled numerously to America, Canada, South Africa and a few countries in Europe, I must inform Kenyans that they have been duped. No country in the world has imposed restrictions on their citizens using cash money to pay for transport services.
Track your every move
The only thing that is done with regard to enforcing the use of cards is that special discounts are offered to those who pay using their cards.
The truth is that the government will track your every move from now henceforth since all the cards are connected to a central data base system. What if some corrupt government official sells the said information to thugs; will they not be able to track your every move?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Beba-Pay-card-and-national-biometric-re...
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Grace Githaiga -
Mark Elkins -
Mark Mwangi -
Mwendwa Kivuva -
Sean Moroney