Google has revoked Huawei's Android license
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective. Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions. Looking forward to your views on this. -- Best Regards, Kelvin Kariuki Assistant Lecturer Multimedia University of Kenya Faculty of Computing and Information Technology Twitter Handle: @teacherkaris Alt email: kkariuki@mmu.ac.ke Mobile: +2547 29 385 557 The Lord is my Shepherd
Thanks for starting the debate. I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved. Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world. Its possible for anyone to backdoor components. Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h... <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-hack-story-award/?utm_term=.4c1c59bb4bb5> There are also western companies doing the same thing. I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance. Best, Alex
On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
-- Best Regards,
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Regardless of the lenses one looks at this issue from it contravenes the very foundations of the Internet (Openness, Interoperabilty). Consumers in the developing world will definately bear the brunt since mobile phones have resulted in economic revolutions in developing countries and this action will definately hurt Small and Medium Enterprises. That said this is also an opportunity to look beyond android and someone may just have shot himself in the foot. I am sure we will be seeing the next thing after android since before google we had Yahoo. Regards On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks for starting the debate.
I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman
Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved.
Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world.
Its possible for anyone to backdoor components.
Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h...
There are also western companies doing the same thing.
I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance.
Best, Alex
On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
-- Best Regards,
Kelvin Kariuki Assistant Lecturer Multimedia University of Kenya Faculty of Computing and Information Technology Twitter Handle: @teacherkaris Alt email: kkariuki@mmu.ac.ke Mobile: +2547 29 385 557
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A bit of context: Huawei is the largest telecom equipment company in the world. It posted more than $107B in revenue last year and operates in more than 170 countries, that is a threat to the US. They are also the first to develop 5G technology, which will ensure AI devices function seamlessly, driverless cars not to crash, machines communicate in real time round the world and that nearly every device in the world will be wired. They just have not risen to the top by accident, they have a whooping 80k staff dedicated to R&D - Thats half of its staff in R&D.. This is def a trade war and the US has been spooked, Huawei having its own OS will be a game changer. So are we relying on Global Techs? I tend to look at it this way, we rely on what works for us. Repercussions - well he who pays the piper... Best E Njoroge Mwangi Technology| FINTECH | Big Data Cell +44 7539372742 Skype: Erick.mwangi On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks for starting the debate.
I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman
Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved.
Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world.
Its possible for anyone to backdoor components.
Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h...
There are also western companies doing the same thing.
I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance.
Best, Alex
On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
-- Best Regards,
Kelvin Kariuki Assistant Lecturer Multimedia University of Kenya Faculty of Computing and Information Technology Twitter Handle: @teacherkaris Alt email: kkariuki@mmu.ac.ke Mobile: +2547 29 385 557
The Lord is my Shepherd
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Well said Eric, Regards On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:13 AM Erick Mwangi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A bit of context: Huawei is the largest telecom equipment company in the world. It posted more than $107B in revenue last year and operates in more than 170 countries, that is a threat to the US. They are also the first to develop 5G technology, which will ensure AI devices function seamlessly, driverless cars not to crash, machines communicate in real time round the world and that nearly every device in the world will be wired.
They just have not risen to the top by accident, they have a whooping 80k staff dedicated to R&D - Thats half of its staff in R&D..
This is def a trade war and the US has been spooked, Huawei having its own OS will be a game changer.
So are we relying on Global Techs?
I tend to look at it this way, we rely on what works for us. Repercussions - well he who pays the piper...
Best
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Cell +44 7539372742 Skype: Erick.mwangi
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks for starting the debate.
I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman
Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved.
Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world.
Its possible for anyone to backdoor components.
Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h...
There are also western companies doing the same thing.
I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance.
Best, Alex
On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
-- Best Regards,
Kelvin Kariuki Assistant Lecturer Multimedia University of Kenya Faculty of Computing and Information Technology Twitter Handle: @teacherkaris Alt email: kkariuki@mmu.ac.ke Mobile: +2547 29 385 557
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Dear Listers, I can’t stop my self from commenting on this topic. It looks like we are underestimating USA and its allies. US is a net importer while China is a net exporter, economics experts, understand the impact of tariffs on these types of economies. Also china’s economy is not that open compared to the western economies. Google maps can’t be used in China etc. Chinese government spends billions of dollars sending students to US to learn technology and sciences but I don’t see US government doing the same. Clearly you should see who are the leaders. Don’t forget most of Chinese technology was derived from stolen intellectual property (IP) from US and the Chinese government encourages this. The country with the highest number of cyber attacks is the US and most of the attacks come from China, Russia, Iran etc. trying to steel technology and IP. And finally don’t forget USA made China the way it is now. First by allowing China to join WTO and by doing so China was able to increase trade with US and secondly US and its allies transferring knowledge to China through joint ventures. They stopped using japan and Korea since the cost of labor increased in those countries and if the cost of labor increases in China they will move again. Br, Paul. Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A bit of context: Huawei is the largest telecom equipment company in the world. It posted more than $107B in revenue last year and operates in more than 170 countries, that is a threat to the US. They are also the first to develop 5G technology, which will ensure AI devices function seamlessly, driverless cars not to crash, machines communicate in real time round the world and that nearly every device in the world will be wired.
They just have not risen to the top by accident, they have a whooping 80k staff dedicated to R&D - Thats half of its staff in R&D..
This is def a trade war and the US has been spooked, Huawei having its own OS will be a game changer.
So are we relying on Global Techs?
I tend to look at it this way, we rely on what works for us. Repercussions - well he who pays the piper...
Best
E Njoroge Mwangi Technology| FINTECH | Big Data
Cell +44 7539372742 Skype: Erick.mwangi
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Thanks for starting the debate.
I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman
Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved.
Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world.
Its possible for anyone to backdoor components.
Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h...
There are also western companies doing the same thing.
I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance.
Best, Alex
On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
-- Best Regards,
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Paul, could it be the other way round... that China's power is being underestimated? Consider the following "cards" that China has yet to play: 1. Apple: a sitting duck that doesn't seem to have a "plan B" for its factories. Numerous other US manufacturers (e.g. shoe/apparel industry) are in the same boat. 2. US has materially significant reliance on China for supply of rare earth elements (essential for its tech and defense manufacturing industries). Currently, only China can meet US demand. 3. As a net exporter, china can artificially devalue its currency to offset the impact of US trade sanctions/concessions. 4. China also holds a significant amount of US bonds that it can fire-dump to try trigger an economic crisis in the US. Might backfire on China though. 5. It can also dump dollars and switch to barter / other currencies, weakening USD hegemony (e.g. in global commodities markets). 6. European manufacturers / brands / traders might not see this as their fight so could pressure their US allied governments to chart their own paths. Example being UK's 5G quagmire. Italy and Germany as well.. 7. China is a Military power (with nukes) - so the US - and (especially) its European allies - will think twice, or thrice, before leveraging military options. 8. China could come down hard on us national champions, like Boeing. I think China is exercising tactical restraint and playing for time as US gets into election mode. If there was ever an incentive for a state actor to hack the US election and put a more "moderate" person in office, China has plenty of it right now. So does Russia - after the sanctions. Interesting times ahead in the cyber realm. On relocating factories, it's not that easy (except for low-tech industries). Tech manufacturing relies on supply chain ecosystems, complex tooling and specialized labor that takes time to develop in a sustainable way. By optimizing their supply chain, US manufacturers inadvertently put all their eggs in one basket instead of developing strategic resilience by setting up distributed factories in the global south - especially in Africa. Hard to blame them though... I don't think anyone could have imagined the present day scenario as a plausible risk! The business case for geographical redundancy just didn't exist. But it does now. You can be sure that governments, investors and corporations are following these events very closely and learning fast.. and so it is likely that there will be major global production/supply chain adaptations as global actors implement smart geopolitical risk management strategies. Africa stands to gain massively ("kuangukia") - especially countries that can quickly get their act together (control corruption, reduce nepotism and build the right strategic teams to tap into these new opportunities via win-win models). Good day,Patrick. Patrick A. M. Maina[Cross-domain Innovator | Independent Public Policy Analyst - Indigenous Innovations] On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 1:49:43 AM GMT+3, Paul Magacha via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Listers,I can’t stop my self from commenting on this topic. It looks like we are underestimating USA and its allies. US is a net importer while China is a net exporter, economics experts, understand the impact of tariffs on these types of economies. Also china’s economy is not that open compared to the western economies. Google maps can’t be used in China etc. Chinese government spends billions of dollars sending students to US to learn technology and sciences but I don’t see US government doing the same. Clearly you should see who are the leaders. Don’t forget most of Chinese technology was derived from stolen intellectual property (IP) from US and the Chinese government encourages this. The country with the highest number of cyber attacks is the US and most of the attacks come from China, Russia, Iran etc. trying to steel technology and IP. And finally don’t forget USA made China the way it is now. First by allowing China to join WTO and by doing so China was able to increase trade with US and secondly US and its allies transferring knowledge to China through joint ventures. They stopped using japan and Korea since the cost of labor increased in those countries and if the cost of labor increases in China they will move again.Br,Paul. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: A bit of context: Huawei is the largest telecom equipment company in the world. It posted more than $107B in revenue last year and operates in more than 170 countries, that is a threat to the US. They are also the first to develop 5G technology, which will ensure AI devices function seamlessly, driverless cars not to crash, machines communicate in real time round the world and that nearly every device in the world will be wired. They just have not risen to the top by accident, they have a whooping 80k staff dedicated to R&D - Thats half of its staff in R&D.. This is def a trade war and the US has been spooked, Huawei having its own OS will be a game changer. So are we relying on Global Techs? I tend to look at it this way, we rely on what works for us. Repercussions - well he who pays the piper... Best E Njoroge MwangiTechnology| FINTECH | Big Data Cell +44 7539372742Skype: Erick.mwangi On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Thanks for starting the debate. I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved. Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world. Its possible for anyone to backdoor components. Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h... There are also western companies doing the same thing. I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance. Best, Alex On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective. Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions. 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Patrick, I am in complete agreement with you here - China is being smart and most probably planning what battles to fight. I can't wait to see how the fact that China holds America's biggest debt is going to play out. And as far as manufacturing? Yeah perhaps it wasn't a smart move to not decentralize but creating redundancy in manufacturing I suppose is not the thing that happens. The way I see it is that this move is going to get companies to move out of China to avoid the tariffs, systematically weaken China - a long shot though - and thereby tame their increasing dominance. What with the road and belt initiative which America is super opposed to? Not forgetting that this is a political move and 2020 is beckoning. Is a wait and observe from here onwards... Kathy On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 1:48 PM Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Paul, could it be the other way round... that China's power is being underestimated?
Consider the following "cards" that China has yet to play:
1. Apple: a sitting duck that doesn't seem to have a "plan B" for its factories. Numerous other US manufacturers (e.g. shoe/apparel industry) are in the same boat.
2. US has materially significant reliance on China for supply of rare earth elements (essential for its tech and defense manufacturing industries). Currently, only China can meet US demand.
3. As a net exporter, china can artificially devalue its currency to offset the impact of US trade sanctions/concessions.
4. China also holds a significant amount of US bonds that it can fire-dump to try trigger an economic crisis in the US. Might backfire on China though.
5. It can also dump dollars and switch to barter / other currencies, weakening USD hegemony (e.g. in global commodities markets).
6. European manufacturers / brands / traders might not see this as their fight so could pressure their US allied governments to chart their own paths. Example being UK's 5G quagmire. Italy and Germany as well..
7. China is a Military power (with nukes) - so the US - and (especially) its European allies - will think twice, or thrice, before leveraging military options.
8. China could come down hard on us national champions, like Boeing.
I think China is exercising tactical restraint and playing for time as US gets into election mode.
If there was ever an incentive for a state actor to hack the US election and put a more "moderate" person in office, China has plenty of it right now. So does Russia - after the sanctions. Interesting times ahead in the cyber realm.
On relocating factories, it's not that easy (except for low-tech industries). Tech manufacturing relies on supply chain ecosystems, complex tooling and specialized labor that takes time to develop in a sustainable way. By optimizing their supply chain, US manufacturers inadvertently put all their eggs in one basket instead of developing strategic resilience by setting up distributed factories in the global south - especially in Africa.
Hard to blame them though... I don't think anyone could have imagined the present day scenario as a plausible risk! The business case for geographical redundancy just didn't exist. But it does now.
You can be sure that governments, investors and corporations are following these events very closely and learning fast.. and so it is likely that there will be major global production/supply chain adaptations as global actors implement smart geopolitical risk management strategies.
Africa stands to gain massively ("kuangukia") - especially countries that can quickly get their act together (control corruption, reduce nepotism and build the right strategic teams to tap into these new opportunities via win-win models).
Good day, Patrick.
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On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 1:49:43 AM GMT+3, Paul Magacha via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I can’t stop my self from commenting on this topic. It looks like we are underestimating USA and its allies. US is a net importer while China is a net exporter, economics experts, understand the impact of tariffs on these types of economies.
Also china’s economy is not that open compared to the western economies. Google maps can’t be used in China etc.
Chinese government spends billions of dollars sending students to US to learn technology and sciences but I don’t see US government doing the same. Clearly you should see who are the leaders. Don’t forget most of Chinese technology was derived from stolen intellectual property (IP) from US and the Chinese government encourages this.
The country with the highest number of cyber attacks is the US and most of the attacks come from China, Russia, Iran etc. trying to steel technology and IP.
And finally don’t forget USA made China the way it is now. First by allowing China to join WTO and by doing so China was able to increase trade with US and secondly US and its allies transferring knowledge to China through joint ventures. They stopped using japan and Korea since the cost of labor increased in those countries and if the cost of labor increases in China they will move again. Br, Paul.
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On May 21, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A bit of context: Huawei is the largest telecom equipment company in the world. It posted more than $107B in revenue last year and operates in more than 170 countries, that is a threat to the US. They are also the first to develop 5G technology, which will ensure AI devices function seamlessly, driverless cars not to crash, machines communicate in real time round the world and that nearly every device in the world will be wired.
They just have not risen to the top by accident, they have a whooping 80k staff dedicated to R&D - Thats half of its staff in R&D..
This is def a trade war and the US has been spooked, Huawei having its own OS will be a game changer.
So are we relying on Global Techs?
I tend to look at it this way, we rely on what works for us. Repercussions - well he who pays the piper...
Best
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On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks for starting the debate.
I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman
Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved.
Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world.
Its possible for anyone to backdoor components.
Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h...
There are also western companies doing the same thing.
I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance.
Best, Alex
On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
-- Best Regards,
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Hi Patrick and Kathy, I like the kuangukia bit. We should amplify this part of the conversation. How exactly can Africa net consumer capitalise on the situation? Regards On Fri, 24 May 2019 13:12 Kathy Mwai via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Patrick,
I am in complete agreement with you here - China is being smart and most probably planning what battles to fight. I can't wait to see how the fact that China holds America's biggest debt is going to play out. And as far as manufacturing? Yeah perhaps it wasn't a smart move to not decentralize but creating redundancy in manufacturing I suppose is not the thing that happens. The way I see it is that this move is going to get companies to move out of China to avoid the tariffs, systematically weaken China - a long shot though - and thereby tame their increasing dominance. What with the road and belt initiative which America is super opposed to? Not forgetting that this is a political move and 2020 is beckoning.
Is a wait and observe from here onwards...
Kathy
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 1:48 PM Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Paul, could it be the other way round... that China's power is being underestimated?
Consider the following "cards" that China has yet to play:
1. Apple: a sitting duck that doesn't seem to have a "plan B" for its factories. Numerous other US manufacturers (e.g. shoe/apparel industry) are in the same boat.
2. US has materially significant reliance on China for supply of rare earth elements (essential for its tech and defense manufacturing industries). Currently, only China can meet US demand.
3. As a net exporter, china can artificially devalue its currency to offset the impact of US trade sanctions/concessions.
4. China also holds a significant amount of US bonds that it can fire-dump to try trigger an economic crisis in the US. Might backfire on China though.
5. It can also dump dollars and switch to barter / other currencies, weakening USD hegemony (e.g. in global commodities markets).
6. European manufacturers / brands / traders might not see this as their fight so could pressure their US allied governments to chart their own paths. Example being UK's 5G quagmire. Italy and Germany as well..
7. China is a Military power (with nukes) - so the US - and (especially) its European allies - will think twice, or thrice, before leveraging military options.
8. China could come down hard on us national champions, like Boeing.
I think China is exercising tactical restraint and playing for time as US gets into election mode.
If there was ever an incentive for a state actor to hack the US election and put a more "moderate" person in office, China has plenty of it right now. So does Russia - after the sanctions. Interesting times ahead in the cyber realm.
On relocating factories, it's not that easy (except for low-tech industries). Tech manufacturing relies on supply chain ecosystems, complex tooling and specialized labor that takes time to develop in a sustainable way. By optimizing their supply chain, US manufacturers inadvertently put all their eggs in one basket instead of developing strategic resilience by setting up distributed factories in the global south - especially in Africa.
Hard to blame them though... I don't think anyone could have imagined the present day scenario as a plausible risk! The business case for geographical redundancy just didn't exist. But it does now.
You can be sure that governments, investors and corporations are following these events very closely and learning fast.. and so it is likely that there will be major global production/supply chain adaptations as global actors implement smart geopolitical risk management strategies.
Africa stands to gain massively ("kuangukia") - especially countries that can quickly get their act together (control corruption, reduce nepotism and build the right strategic teams to tap into these new opportunities via win-win models).
Good day, Patrick.
Patrick A. M. Maina [Cross-domain Innovator | Independent Public Policy Analyst - Indigenous Innovations]
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 1:49:43 AM GMT+3, Paul Magacha via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I can’t stop my self from commenting on this topic. It looks like we are underestimating USA and its allies. US is a net importer while China is a net exporter, economics experts, understand the impact of tariffs on these types of economies.
Also china’s economy is not that open compared to the western economies. Google maps can’t be used in China etc.
Chinese government spends billions of dollars sending students to US to learn technology and sciences but I don’t see US government doing the same. Clearly you should see who are the leaders. Don’t forget most of Chinese technology was derived from stolen intellectual property (IP) from US and the Chinese government encourages this.
The country with the highest number of cyber attacks is the US and most of the attacks come from China, Russia, Iran etc. trying to steel technology and IP.
And finally don’t forget USA made China the way it is now. First by allowing China to join WTO and by doing so China was able to increase trade with US and secondly US and its allies transferring knowledge to China through joint ventures. They stopped using japan and Korea since the cost of labor increased in those countries and if the cost of labor increases in China they will move again. Br, Paul.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A bit of context: Huawei is the largest telecom equipment company in the world. It posted more than $107B in revenue last year and operates in more than 170 countries, that is a threat to the US. They are also the first to develop 5G technology, which will ensure AI devices function seamlessly, driverless cars not to crash, machines communicate in real time round the world and that nearly every device in the world will be wired.
They just have not risen to the top by accident, they have a whooping 80k staff dedicated to R&D - Thats half of its staff in R&D..
This is def a trade war and the US has been spooked, Huawei having its own OS will be a game changer.
So are we relying on Global Techs?
I tend to look at it this way, we rely on what works for us. Repercussions - well he who pays the piper...
Best
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On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks for starting the debate.
I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman
Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved.
Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world.
Its possible for anyone to backdoor components.
Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h...
There are also western companies doing the same thing.
I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance.
Best, Alex
On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
-- Best Regards,
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On Fri, 24 May 2019, 13:24 Barrack Otieno via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Patrick and Kathy,
I like the kuangukia bit. We should amplify this part of the conversation.
I tend to agree @barrack How exactly can Africa net consumer capitalise on the situation?
The way I see it, the continent has no other way but to strategically continue building its human capital across the board (engineering, legal, business, arts/design you name it). No need to reinvent the wheel, adapt and continue to expand/grow capacity because in the end lack of human capital is a diservice and to attract investment to this end, availability of cost effective and vibrant labour force is everything. My bit coin. Noah
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Barrack, Yes in order to angukia we need to be strategically ready. One of the incentives for manufacturing in China is cheap labor for the obvious reason of their population. I'm not sure our labor is cheap. One possible approach can be to partner with polytechnics and technical training centers in the country, prepare those youth for these jobs and then absorb them soon after their studies. However, that's only one aspect of the infrastructure necessary because our friends at Kenya Power are not in the loop of affordable power to facilitate this. My only hope is that this does not give rise to the nuclear power debate because I don't think we're ready nor should we be adopting nuclear power. We have lots of alternatives for power (I feel strongly about the nuclear power excuse my digression). Kathy On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 1:24 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Patrick and Kathy,
I like the kuangukia bit. We should amplify this part of the conversation. How exactly can Africa net consumer capitalise on the situation?
Regards
On Fri, 24 May 2019 13:12 Kathy Mwai via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Patrick,
I am in complete agreement with you here - China is being smart and most probably planning what battles to fight. I can't wait to see how the fact that China holds America's biggest debt is going to play out. And as far as manufacturing? Yeah perhaps it wasn't a smart move to not decentralize but creating redundancy in manufacturing I suppose is not the thing that happens. The way I see it is that this move is going to get companies to move out of China to avoid the tariffs, systematically weaken China - a long shot though - and thereby tame their increasing dominance. What with the road and belt initiative which America is super opposed to? Not forgetting that this is a political move and 2020 is beckoning.
Is a wait and observe from here onwards...
Kathy
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 1:48 PM Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Paul, could it be the other way round... that China's power is being underestimated?
Consider the following "cards" that China has yet to play:
1. Apple: a sitting duck that doesn't seem to have a "plan B" for its factories. Numerous other US manufacturers (e.g. shoe/apparel industry) are in the same boat.
2. US has materially significant reliance on China for supply of rare earth elements (essential for its tech and defense manufacturing industries). Currently, only China can meet US demand.
3. As a net exporter, china can artificially devalue its currency to offset the impact of US trade sanctions/concessions.
4. China also holds a significant amount of US bonds that it can fire-dump to try trigger an economic crisis in the US. Might backfire on China though.
5. It can also dump dollars and switch to barter / other currencies, weakening USD hegemony (e.g. in global commodities markets).
6. European manufacturers / brands / traders might not see this as their fight so could pressure their US allied governments to chart their own paths. Example being UK's 5G quagmire. Italy and Germany as well..
7. China is a Military power (with nukes) - so the US - and (especially) its European allies - will think twice, or thrice, before leveraging military options.
8. China could come down hard on us national champions, like Boeing.
I think China is exercising tactical restraint and playing for time as US gets into election mode.
If there was ever an incentive for a state actor to hack the US election and put a more "moderate" person in office, China has plenty of it right now. So does Russia - after the sanctions. Interesting times ahead in the cyber realm.
On relocating factories, it's not that easy (except for low-tech industries). Tech manufacturing relies on supply chain ecosystems, complex tooling and specialized labor that takes time to develop in a sustainable way. By optimizing their supply chain, US manufacturers inadvertently put all their eggs in one basket instead of developing strategic resilience by setting up distributed factories in the global south - especially in Africa.
Hard to blame them though... I don't think anyone could have imagined the present day scenario as a plausible risk! The business case for geographical redundancy just didn't exist. But it does now.
You can be sure that governments, investors and corporations are following these events very closely and learning fast.. and so it is likely that there will be major global production/supply chain adaptations as global actors implement smart geopolitical risk management strategies.
Africa stands to gain massively ("kuangukia") - especially countries that can quickly get their act together (control corruption, reduce nepotism and build the right strategic teams to tap into these new opportunities via win-win models).
Good day, Patrick.
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On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 1:49:43 AM GMT+3, Paul Magacha via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I can’t stop my self from commenting on this topic. It looks like we are underestimating USA and its allies. US is a net importer while China is a net exporter, economics experts, understand the impact of tariffs on these types of economies.
Also china’s economy is not that open compared to the western economies. Google maps can’t be used in China etc.
Chinese government spends billions of dollars sending students to US to learn technology and sciences but I don’t see US government doing the same. Clearly you should see who are the leaders. Don’t forget most of Chinese technology was derived from stolen intellectual property (IP) from US and the Chinese government encourages this.
The country with the highest number of cyber attacks is the US and most of the attacks come from China, Russia, Iran etc. trying to steel technology and IP.
And finally don’t forget USA made China the way it is now. First by allowing China to join WTO and by doing so China was able to increase trade with US and secondly US and its allies transferring knowledge to China through joint ventures. They stopped using japan and Korea since the cost of labor increased in those countries and if the cost of labor increases in China they will move again. Br, Paul.
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On May 21, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A bit of context: Huawei is the largest telecom equipment company in the world. It posted more than $107B in revenue last year and operates in more than 170 countries, that is a threat to the US. They are also the first to develop 5G technology, which will ensure AI devices function seamlessly, driverless cars not to crash, machines communicate in real time round the world and that nearly every device in the world will be wired.
They just have not risen to the top by accident, they have a whooping 80k staff dedicated to R&D - Thats half of its staff in R&D..
This is def a trade war and the US has been spooked, Huawei having its own OS will be a game changer.
So are we relying on Global Techs?
I tend to look at it this way, we rely on what works for us. Repercussions - well he who pays the piper...
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On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks for starting the debate.
I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman
Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved.
Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world.
Its possible for anyone to backdoor components.
Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h...
There are also western companies doing the same thing.
I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance.
Best, Alex
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Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
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Even without the "kuangukia" angle, there are some very lucrative, yet untapped, opportunities that Kenya can leverage from its relationship with China and reap big gains, simply by thinking strategically. The focus on big infrastructure and basic extraction has created an artificially narrow perception within government regarding the true scope of Sino-Africa opportunities. This is regrettable because government is struggling to meet revenue targets and to offer opportunities to wananchi who are increasingly restless due to increased economic hardship. I can't get into too much detail in a public forum but sooner or later other countries will identify these untapped opportunities and leave us in the dust crying foul or playing catch-up. Too many missed opportunities to create jobs and grow the economy - because the right people are in the wrong jobs (and vise versa) - thanks to runaway corruption, incompetence (nepotism/patronage/cronysm) and negligence / apathy. Still, I remain stubbornly optimistic that things can change for the better; if not for us, for the coming generation(s). Brgds,Patrick. Patrick A. M. Maina[Cross-domain Innovator | Independent Public Policy Analyst - Indigenous Innovations] On Friday, May 24, 2019, 1:40:08 PM GMT+3, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Patrick and Kathy, I like the kuangukia bit. We should amplify this part of the conversation. How exactly can Africa net consumer capitalise on the situation? Regards On Fri, 24 May 2019 13:12 Kathy Mwai via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Patrick, I am in complete agreement with you here - China is being smart and most probably planning what battles to fight. I can't wait to see how the fact that China holds America's biggest debt is going to play out. And as far as manufacturing? Yeah perhaps it wasn't a smart move to not decentralize but creating redundancy in manufacturing I suppose is not the thing that happens. The way I see it is that this move is going to get companies to move out of China to avoid the tariffs, systematically weaken China - a long shot though - and thereby tame their increasing dominance. What with the road and belt initiative which America is super opposed to? Not forgetting that this is a political move and 2020 is beckoning. Is a wait and observe from here onwards... Kathy On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 1:48 PM Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Paul, could it be the other way round... that China's power is being underestimated? Consider the following "cards" that China has yet to play: 1. Apple: a sitting duck that doesn't seem to have a "plan B" for its factories. Numerous other US manufacturers (e.g. shoe/apparel industry) are in the same boat. 2. US has materially significant reliance on China for supply of rare earth elements (essential for its tech and defense manufacturing industries). Currently, only China can meet US demand. 3. As a net exporter, china can artificially devalue its currency to offset the impact of US trade sanctions/concessions. 4. China also holds a significant amount of US bonds that it can fire-dump to try trigger an economic crisis in the US. Might backfire on China though. 5. It can also dump dollars and switch to barter / other currencies, weakening USD hegemony (e.g. in global commodities markets). 6. European manufacturers / brands / traders might not see this as their fight so could pressure their US allied governments to chart their own paths. Example being UK's 5G quagmire. Italy and Germany as well.. 7. China is a Military power (with nukes) - so the US - and (especially) its European allies - will think twice, or thrice, before leveraging military options. 8. China could come down hard on us national champions, like Boeing. I think China is exercising tactical restraint and playing for time as US gets into election mode. If there was ever an incentive for a state actor to hack the US election and put a more "moderate" person in office, China has plenty of it right now. So does Russia - after the sanctions. Interesting times ahead in the cyber realm. On relocating factories, it's not that easy (except for low-tech industries). Tech manufacturing relies on supply chain ecosystems, complex tooling and specialized labor that takes time to develop in a sustainable way. By optimizing their supply chain, US manufacturers inadvertently put all their eggs in one basket instead of developing strategic resilience by setting up distributed factories in the global south - especially in Africa. Hard to blame them though... I don't think anyone could have imagined the present day scenario as a plausible risk! The business case for geographical redundancy just didn't exist. But it does now. You can be sure that governments, investors and corporations are following these events very closely and learning fast.. and so it is likely that there will be major global production/supply chain adaptations as global actors implement smart geopolitical risk management strategies. Africa stands to gain massively ("kuangukia") - especially countries that can quickly get their act together (control corruption, reduce nepotism and build the right strategic teams to tap into these new opportunities via win-win models). Good day,Patrick. Patrick A. M. Maina[Cross-domain Innovator | Independent Public Policy Analyst - Indigenous Innovations] On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 1:49:43 AM GMT+3, Paul Magacha via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Listers,I can’t stop my self from commenting on this topic. It looks like we are underestimating USA and its allies. US is a net importer while China is a net exporter, economics experts, understand the impact of tariffs on these types of economies. Also china’s economy is not that open compared to the western economies. Google maps can’t be used in China etc. Chinese government spends billions of dollars sending students to US to learn technology and sciences but I don’t see US government doing the same. Clearly you should see who are the leaders. Don’t forget most of Chinese technology was derived from stolen intellectual property (IP) from US and the Chinese government encourages this. The country with the highest number of cyber attacks is the US and most of the attacks come from China, Russia, Iran etc. trying to steel technology and IP. And finally don’t forget USA made China the way it is now. First by allowing China to join WTO and by doing so China was able to increase trade with US and secondly US and its allies transferring knowledge to China through joint ventures. They stopped using japan and Korea since the cost of labor increased in those countries and if the cost of labor increases in China they will move again.Br,Paul. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: A bit of context: Huawei is the largest telecom equipment company in the world. It posted more than $107B in revenue last year and operates in more than 170 countries, that is a threat to the US. They are also the first to develop 5G technology, which will ensure AI devices function seamlessly, driverless cars not to crash, machines communicate in real time round the world and that nearly every device in the world will be wired. They just have not risen to the top by accident, they have a whooping 80k staff dedicated to R&D - Thats half of its staff in R&D.. This is def a trade war and the US has been spooked, Huawei having its own OS will be a game changer. So are we relying on Global Techs? I tend to look at it this way, we rely on what works for us. Repercussions - well he who pays the piper... Best E Njoroge MwangiTechnology| FINTECH | Big Data Cell +44 7539372742Skype: Erick.mwangi On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Thanks for starting the debate. I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved. Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world. Its possible for anyone to backdoor components. Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h... There are also western companies doing the same thing. I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance. Best, Alex On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective. Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions. 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Indeed Kathy and thanks for your thoughts. The two superpowers are like co-joined twins having a sibling spat. When one pinches the other, they both feel pain. Brgds,Patrick. On Friday, May 24, 2019, 1:12:17 PM GMT+3, Kathy Mwai <kathymwai@gmail.com> wrote: Patrick, I am in complete agreement with you here - China is being smart and most probably planning what battles to fight. I can't wait to see how the fact that China holds America's biggest debt is going to play out. And as far as manufacturing? Yeah perhaps it wasn't a smart move to not decentralize but creating redundancy in manufacturing I suppose is not the thing that happens. The way I see it is that this move is going to get companies to move out of China to avoid the tariffs, systematically weaken China - a long shot though - and thereby tame their increasing dominance. What with the road and belt initiative which America is super opposed to? Not forgetting that this is a political move and 2020 is beckoning. Is a wait and observe from here onwards... Kathy On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 1:48 PM Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Paul, could it be the other way round... that China's power is being underestimated? Consider the following "cards" that China has yet to play: 1. Apple: a sitting duck that doesn't seem to have a "plan B" for its factories. Numerous other US manufacturers (e.g. shoe/apparel industry) are in the same boat. 2. US has materially significant reliance on China for supply of rare earth elements (essential for its tech and defense manufacturing industries). Currently, only China can meet US demand. 3. As a net exporter, china can artificially devalue its currency to offset the impact of US trade sanctions/concessions. 4. China also holds a significant amount of US bonds that it can fire-dump to try trigger an economic crisis in the US. Might backfire on China though. 5. It can also dump dollars and switch to barter / other currencies, weakening USD hegemony (e.g. in global commodities markets). 6. European manufacturers / brands / traders might not see this as their fight so could pressure their US allied governments to chart their own paths. Example being UK's 5G quagmire. Italy and Germany as well.. 7. China is a Military power (with nukes) - so the US - and (especially) its European allies - will think twice, or thrice, before leveraging military options. 8. China could come down hard on us national champions, like Boeing. I think China is exercising tactical restraint and playing for time as US gets into election mode. If there was ever an incentive for a state actor to hack the US election and put a more "moderate" person in office, China has plenty of it right now. So does Russia - after the sanctions. Interesting times ahead in the cyber realm. On relocating factories, it's not that easy (except for low-tech industries). Tech manufacturing relies on supply chain ecosystems, complex tooling and specialized labor that takes time to develop in a sustainable way. By optimizing their supply chain, US manufacturers inadvertently put all their eggs in one basket instead of developing strategic resilience by setting up distributed factories in the global south - especially in Africa. Hard to blame them though... I don't think anyone could have imagined the present day scenario as a plausible risk! The business case for geographical redundancy just didn't exist. But it does now. You can be sure that governments, investors and corporations are following these events very closely and learning fast.. and so it is likely that there will be major global production/supply chain adaptations as global actors implement smart geopolitical risk management strategies. Africa stands to gain massively ("kuangukia") - especially countries that can quickly get their act together (control corruption, reduce nepotism and build the right strategic teams to tap into these new opportunities via win-win models). Good day,Patrick. Patrick A. M. Maina[Cross-domain Innovator | Independent Public Policy Analyst - Indigenous Innovations] On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 1:49:43 AM GMT+3, Paul Magacha via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Listers,I can’t stop my self from commenting on this topic. It looks like we are underestimating USA and its allies. US is a net importer while China is a net exporter, economics experts, understand the impact of tariffs on these types of economies. Also china’s economy is not that open compared to the western economies. Google maps can’t be used in China etc. Chinese government spends billions of dollars sending students to US to learn technology and sciences but I don’t see US government doing the same. Clearly you should see who are the leaders. Don’t forget most of Chinese technology was derived from stolen intellectual property (IP) from US and the Chinese government encourages this. The country with the highest number of cyber attacks is the US and most of the attacks come from China, Russia, Iran etc. trying to steel technology and IP. And finally don’t forget USA made China the way it is now. First by allowing China to join WTO and by doing so China was able to increase trade with US and secondly US and its allies transferring knowledge to China through joint ventures. They stopped using japan and Korea since the cost of labor increased in those countries and if the cost of labor increases in China they will move again.Br,Paul. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: A bit of context: Huawei is the largest telecom equipment company in the world. It posted more than $107B in revenue last year and operates in more than 170 countries, that is a threat to the US. They are also the first to develop 5G technology, which will ensure AI devices function seamlessly, driverless cars not to crash, machines communicate in real time round the world and that nearly every device in the world will be wired. They just have not risen to the top by accident, they have a whooping 80k staff dedicated to R&D - Thats half of its staff in R&D.. This is def a trade war and the US has been spooked, Huawei having its own OS will be a game changer. So are we relying on Global Techs? I tend to look at it this way, we rely on what works for us. Repercussions - well he who pays the piper... Best E Njoroge MwangiTechnology| FINTECH | Big Data Cell +44 7539372742Skype: Erick.mwangi On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:47 AM Alex Comninos via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Thanks for starting the debate. I think this is a trade war instigated by a madman Definitely there is a reliance on Global tech, but making trade-war sabre rattling around consumer products is not dealing with the issues involved. Its weird the focus is on Google and Android while Huawei has got components in telecom networks around the world. Its possible for anyone to backdoor components. Its easy to throw these accusations around and there is little scrutiny when pointing at the traditional bad guys. Remember supermicro? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/05/bloomberg-submitted-big-h... There are also western companies doing the same thing. I think resorting to not importing tech from other countries is not viable. The only solution would be very hard: open hardware, transparent procurement, controls in the supply chain, and much vigilance. Best, Alex On 21 May 2019, at 04:28, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective. Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions. Looking forward to your views on this. -- Best Regards, Kelvin KariukiAssistant Lecturer Multimedia University of Kenya Faculty of Computing and Information Technology Twitter Handle: @teacherkarisAlt email: kkariuki@mmu.ac.keMobile: +2547 29 385 557 The Lord is my Shepherd _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.comninos%40gmail.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Greetings! Thank you for your email. Unfortunately i am on email sporadically this week as i will be in offsite business meetings. Please expect a delayed response. Thanks and Regards Mercy Ndegwa Head of Public Policy, East Africa | Facebook
Greetings! Thank you for your email. Unfortunately i am on email sporadically this week as i will be in offsite business meetings. Please expect a delayed response. Thanks and Regards Mercy Ndegwa Head of Public Policy, East Africa | Facebook
Greetings! Thank you for your email. Unfortunately i am on email sporadically this week as i will be in offsite business meetings. Please expect a delayed response. Thanks and Regards Mercy Ndegwa Head of Public Policy, East Africa | Facebook
Greetings! Thank you for your email. Unfortunately i am on email sporadically this week as i will be in offsite business meetings. Please expect a delayed response. Thanks and Regards Mercy Ndegwa Head of Public Policy, East Africa | Facebook
Greetings! Thank you for your email. Unfortunately i am on email sporadically this week as i will be in offsite business meetings. Please expect a delayed response. Thanks and Regards Mercy Ndegwa Head of Public Policy, East Africa | Facebook
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Well spotted Kelvin and thank you for initiating the discussion. Dear listers, US sanctions against ZTE almost brought down ZTE - putting 75,000 jobs / families in China at risk (see link #1) and sent shock-waves around the world - waking up a few sleepy corporations and complacent governments to the fact that there is no assurance that tomorrow will always be a clone of today. China's president Xi reportedly responded by rallying the country towards greater self resilience: "We must cast away false hopes and rely on ourselves." (see link #2) But this was rather late. You don't build resilience in times of crisis - there is simply not enough time - hence Huawei's current exposure and its half-baked "plan B"! (see link #3) Policy analysts have to see far ahead, think beyond what is comfortable today and ask tough forward looking "what if.." questions (including unpleasant / "politically incorrect" questions like what if our "best friends" of today turn into our "worst enemies" tomorrow?). This is the only way to develop robust economic resilience strategies that bring genuine prosperity and stability. If someone had predicted, as recently as 2017, that Google would suddenly terminate its android partnership with Huawei, that person would have been sent to a mental asylum. If the person was an analyst they would have been discredited and shunned. The idea was simply unthinkable. But here we are. The unthinkable has materialized. Just ten years ago, few companies would have perceived the lucrative US and China trade relations as an existential risk - and many relied on the two-way supply chain entanglement (dual dependencies) as the sole mitigation strategy. Indeed this entanglement has softened the blow in many ways - but is it deep enough and balanced enough to justify exclusive reliance on it? (see link #4) The US economy grew on innovations and that is why the US government, as well as corporations, are highly IP savvy (see link #12). They managed dependency risks from day one and never outsourced the most critical technology components or know-how. They also ensured that their markets relied mostly on homegrown technologies (see link #5) and developed total global dominance in operating systems - which means that the US indirectly controls the global application ecosystem (see link #6). Russia (see link #7) and China only recently came to terms with these risks and have been scrambling to mitigate them by developing their home-grown tech ecosystem alternatives (including their own OS and "internet"). India is now pushing for sensitive economic data on their citizens to be stored within the country (see link #8) and prime minister Narendra Modi has been a strong advocate for "made in india" policies (see link #9) which has led to billion dollar acquisitions of home grown companies. Compare the inbound M&A (FDI) scene for India, which was US $58 Billion in 2018 - and trending up - of which $16 Billion was the acquisition just one local tech company - Flipkart (see link #10), with Africa's ~$12.7B (of which the bulk was in SA, Nigeria and *Mauritius*) - and trending down, due to high levels of uncertainty and corruption. (see link #11). The reason emerging super powers like China and Russia insist on homegrown technologies are both economic and geo-political (see link #13 & #14). It is the ability of countries to manage dependencies and develop strategic self sufficiency / resilience that creates a balance of power which boosts international order. You can't really claim sovereignty when your economic (thus political) stability heavily depends on another country (or a few private corporations / MNCs). That is why unilateral sanctions cripple poorly managed countries - but have less devastating effects on better managed ones (see link #22). International relations theory describes the idea of anarchy as the fundamental basis for international relations (see link #15). There is really no such thing as a "global community" because people belong to countries which are (to varying extents) sovereign and independent. Global harmony (and trade balance) is maintained through primitive means - i.e. the threat of violence / mutual attrition risks / mutually assured destruction. Consequently it is naive (and negligent) for any country to bank on geopolitical extrapolations; and hence the need for countries to conduct regular strategic risk assessments and devise long-term risk mitigation policies. This is why policies that promote supply chain diversity, economic resilience and homegrown technology alternatives are so important, and quite urgent (especially in laissez-faire Africa). Huawei has, over the years, accumulated significant soft-power over Kenya's digital economy because MPESA - a critical and dominant financial service - reportedly runs exclusively on its platforms, and the only profitable telecommunications provider (Safaricom) - which government heavily relies on for dividends, taxes, communications, security and even elections, is heavily dependent on - and apparently locked-into - Huawei infrastructure (see link #16). From a strategic policy perspective, this kind of excessive single-point dependency is unwise, dangerous and against public interest. It should not be allowed to persist as it could balloon, without warning, into unmanageable levels (see link #17 and #18). Imagine a scenario where a foreign corporation can threaten government with immediate economic shut down (which can trigger countrywide riots) if it does not comply with demands that may not be in public interest. Or worse, at the behest of a foreign power, and the guise of plausible deniability, shuts down dependent services to spark dissent / chaos as leverage for advancing geopolitical agendas (like interfering with democratic elections or forcing major undesirable import/export/debt concessions against public interest). Other risks include advancing predatory (instead of growth oriented) economic policies, exacerbating poverty / inequality and stifling local MSME innovations by distorting market forces (see link #19 & #20). These are the kind of "unthinkable" risks that our country is increasingly exposed to, if government is not careful. I therefore urge NCS, MoICT and our political leaders to deeply and urgently study these potential "national security" risks before it is too late, and start pushing for policies that boost economic resilience while mitigating against the risks of state / regulatory capture (see link #21 for some ideas). This is not about "nationalism" or "protectionism", it is about recognizing 21st century global realities and strategically developing long-term economic resilience, while there is still time to do so, to minimize the strategic risks associated with unmitigated economic dependencies. Global relationships are better when they are smart, strategic, realistic and meaningful. Those who don't understand this will accept - without question - simplistic neo-liberal propaganda narratives like "supremacy of free markets" (see link #23). Let us choose wisdom, over temporary convenience, on economic and sovereignty matters. Good day! Links / References: 1. ZTE - 75,000 jobs at risk (Trump's bargaining chip). https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/trump-vows-to-save-jobs-at-china... 2. Effect of US ZTE ban https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/technology/zte-china-us-trade-war.html?mo... 3. Huawei's "Plan B"https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-plan-b-mobile-os-988097/ 4. Is Huawei ban a bargaining chip? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-05-21/is-huawei-a-trump-barg... 5. US Smartphone market share. https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-share/ 6. OS Marketshare in US http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share 7. Putin Signs home-grown internet bill to boost cyber-resilience https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/01/putin-signs-internet-isolation-bil... 8. Reserve Bank of India mandates domestic storage of payments data https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/rbi-mandates-domestic-storage-payments-data... 9. Make in India Campaign (Championed by India's Prime Minister) https://www.pmindia.gov.in/en/major_initiatives/make-in-india/ 10. Indian companies log record $129 Billion in M&A deals in 2018 https://www.livemint.com/Companies/VD0HHHQHCUwiCjsxeTGCLN/Indian-companies-l... 11. Buyouts and mergers went down in Africa in 2018 http://lepoint.mu/2019/01/25/buyouts-and-mergers-in-africa/ 12. Case Studies in US Trade Negotiation, Volume 1: Making the Rules https://books.google.co.ke/books?id=NRcq3N-VbFgC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=us+government+ip+savvy#v=onepage&q=us%20government%20ip%20savvy&f=false 13. Reasserting cyber sovereignty: how states are taking back control https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/07/states-take-back-cyber-co... 14. Technology and Sovereignty https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/1988-12-01/technology-and-sovereignt... 15. Concept of Anarchy in International Relations.http://internationalrelations.org/anarchy-international-relations/ 16. Kenya left in dilemma over Huawei as US-China trade war threatens to spill over https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001326399/kenya-left-in-di... 17. Who is more powerful – states or corporations? https://theconversation.com/who-is-more-powerful-states-or-corporations-9961... 18. Corporate Capture Threatens Democratic Government https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/news/2017/03/29/429442/cor... 19. Corporate power and human rights https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13642987.2015.1074458 20. Taming corporate power: the key political issue of our age https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/08/taming-corporate-power... 21. Preventing Regulatory Capture: Special Interest Influence and How to Limit it https://books.google.co.ke/books?id=6bf1AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=countering+regulatory+capture#v=onepage&q=countering%20regulatory%20capture&f=false 22. Sanctions: An Analysis https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/202/41475.html 23. Neo-liberalism as creative destruction https://www.jstor.org/stable/25097888?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents Brgds,Patrick. Patrick A. M. Maina[Cross-domain Innovator | Independent Public Policy Analyst - Indigenous Innovations] On Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 10:29:50 AM GMT+3, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective. Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions. Looking forward to your views on this. -- Best Regards, Kelvin KariukiAssistant Lecturer Multimedia University of Kenya Faculty of Computing and Information Technology Twitter Handle: @teacherkarisAlt email: kkariuki@mmu.ac.keMobile: +2547 29 385 557 The Lord is my Shepherd _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pmaina2000%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Kelvin and all Never again will we view Multi-Nationals in the same light. Before BigTech Multinationals used to talk about 'dominance' and monopoly in different terms. These were usually handed over by governments on a silver platter. Today's Monopoly players are different. A combination of sheer technology prowess and #StateCapture has brought about a dangerous trend. Let's look at the Telco Wars. 1. Google and Apple basically (American companies) have carved up the Mobile OS market <http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide> between them. They control a whopping 97% of the Global Mobile handset OS install base. And the balance is based on an 'Open Source' version of Android. 2. Huawei <https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/03/the-improbable-rise-of-huawei-5g-global-network-china/>has carved up the Telco Network Operating Systems worldwide to the extent of making the other players look like kindergarten operators. 3. The problem with this dominance is that it requires Regulators the world over to speak with one voice. Do you see that happening? I doubt it. Especially with all the Nationalism raising its ugly head worldwide. 4. Who will stop these Global Players running roughshod over everyone else? Does the UN or the EU or AU have the muscle and financial strength to reign rogue players in the global arena? Your guess is as good as mine. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
-- Best Regards,
Kelvin Kariuki Assistant Lecturer Multimedia University of Kenya Faculty of Computing and Information Technology Twitter Handle: @teacherkaris Alt email: kkariuki@mmu.ac.ke Mobile: +2547 29 385 557
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For decades, U.S. intelligence agencies have capitalized on the central role of U.S. companies in global telecommunications networks to spy on adversaries and gather crucial intelligence. That ability to spy on rivals is threatened by Huawei, especially on the 5G front where Huawei leads the pack with the most patents. U.S. espionage activities documented by National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden have created a fundamental attitude of distrust in the telecommunications industry. The Snowden disclosures exposed how American companies were forced to cooperate with U.S. intelligence activities. Many experts say security fears singling out Huawei equipment are overblown, as nearly all the big telecom equipment makers use Chinese factories to churn out their components. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/03/the-improbable-rise-of-huawei-5g-global... On Wed, May 22, 2019, 06:39 Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kelvin and all
Never again will we view Multi-Nationals in the same light. Before BigTech Multinationals used to talk about 'dominance' and monopoly in different terms. These were usually handed over by governments on a silver platter. Today's Monopoly players are different. A combination of sheer technology prowess and #StateCapture has brought about a dangerous trend. Let's look at the Telco Wars.
1. Google and Apple basically (American companies) have carved up the Mobile OS market <http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide> between them. They control a whopping 97% of the Global Mobile handset OS install base. And the balance is based on an 'Open Source' version of Android.
2. Huawei <https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/03/the-improbable-rise-of-huawei-5g-global-network-china/>has carved up the Telco Network Operating Systems worldwide to the extent of making the other players look like kindergarten operators.
3. The problem with this dominance is that it requires Regulators the world over to speak with one voice. Do you see that happening? I doubt it. Especially with all the Nationalism raising its ugly head worldwide.
4. Who will stop these Global Players running roughshod over everyone else? Does the UN or the EU or AU have the muscle and financial strength to reign rogue players in the global arena? Your guess is as good as mine.
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On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
-- Best Regards,
Kelvin Kariuki Assistant Lecturer Multimedia University of Kenya Faculty of Computing and Information Technology Twitter Handle: @teacherkaris Alt email: kkariuki@mmu.ac.ke Mobile: +2547 29 385 557
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Mwendwa Exactly! Unfortunately, global trade is now completely intertwined with the fight for Global Hegemony. It is the world we live in. Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:24 PM Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
For decades, U.S. intelligence agencies have capitalized on the central role of U.S. companies in global telecommunications networks to spy on adversaries and gather crucial intelligence.
That ability to spy on rivals is threatened by Huawei, especially on the 5G front where Huawei leads the pack with the most patents.
U.S. espionage activities documented by National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden have created a fundamental attitude of distrust in the telecommunications industry. The Snowden disclosures exposed how American companies were forced to cooperate with U.S. intelligence activities.
Many experts say security fears singling out Huawei equipment are overblown, as nearly all the big telecom equipment makers use Chinese factories to churn out their components.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/03/the-improbable-rise-of-huawei-5g-global...
On Wed, May 22, 2019, 06:39 Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kelvin and all
Never again will we view Multi-Nationals in the same light. Before BigTech Multinationals used to talk about 'dominance' and monopoly in different terms. These were usually handed over by governments on a silver platter. Today's Monopoly players are different. A combination of sheer technology prowess and #StateCapture has brought about a dangerous trend. Let's look at the Telco Wars.
1. Google and Apple basically (American companies) have carved up the Mobile OS market <http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide> between them. They control a whopping 97% of the Global Mobile handset OS install base. And the balance is based on an 'Open Source' version of Android.
2. Huawei <https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/03/the-improbable-rise-of-huawei-5g-global-network-china/>has carved up the Telco Network Operating Systems worldwide to the extent of making the other players look like kindergarten operators.
3. The problem with this dominance is that it requires Regulators the world over to speak with one voice. Do you see that happening? I doubt it. Especially with all the Nationalism raising its ugly head worldwide.
4. Who will stop these Global Players running roughshod over everyone else? Does the UN or the EU or AU have the muscle and financial strength to reign rogue players in the global arena? Your guess is as good as mine.
*Ali Hussein*
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*AHK & Associates*
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On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers, I hope this email finds you well, this is the current trending topic, I'd like to here your views on this topic from a Policy Perspective.
Are we overrelying on Global Techs? What are the possible repercussions if they pull out on us? Should Global Techs be declared Dominant to balance the market and reduce the risks of a failure? Feel free to add more questions.
Looking forward to your views on this.
-- Best Regards,
Kelvin Kariuki Assistant Lecturer Multimedia University of Kenya Faculty of Computing and Information Technology Twitter Handle: @teacherkaris Alt email: kkariuki@mmu.ac.ke Mobile: +2547 29 385 557
The Lord is my Shepherd
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Greetings! Thank you for your email. Unfortunately i am on email sporadically this week as i will be in offsite business meetings. Please expect a delayed response. Thanks and Regards Mercy Ndegwa Head of Public Policy, East Africa | Facebook
Greetings! Thank you for your email. Unfortunately i am on email sporadically this week as i will be in offsite business meetings. Please expect a delayed response. Thanks and Regards Mercy Ndegwa Head of Public Policy, East Africa | Facebook
Greetings! Thank you for your email. Unfortunately i am on email sporadically this week as i will be in offsite business meetings. Please expect a delayed response. Thanks and Regards Mercy Ndegwa Head of Public Policy, East Africa | Facebook
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participants (11)
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Alex Comninos -
Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Erick Mwangi -
Kathy Mwai -
Kelvin Kariuki -
Mercy Ndegwa -
Mwendwa Kivuva -
Noah -
Patrick A. M. Maina -
Paul Magacha