The UN : A Threat to the Internet freedom??
Robert M. Dowell argues that top-down, international regulation is antithetical to the Net, which has flourished under its current governance model. Read on! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204792404577229074023195322.ht...... ______________________________________________ Pierre -- Pierre Dandjinou Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610 Dakar 221 77 639 30 41 www.scg.bj skype : sagbo1953
Interesting Piece Pierre, i agree with Roberts observation, the Internet has flourished under an environment of openness, cooperation and collaboration, it will be futile to try and establish control over it at this point in time, the top down approach will not work, nonetheless it is upon stakeholders to make as much noise and make the leaders aware of the implications some wrong decisions could make, i do recall the fact that there was a high level delegation from the ITU at the IGF in Nairobi, i wonder what the outcome of the meeting was and whether it had any relationship with the issue Robert is discussing. Best Regards On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert M. Dowell argues that top-down, international regulation is antithetical to the Net, which has flourished under its current governance model.
Read on!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204792404577229074023195322.ht......
______________________________________________ Pierre
-- Pierre Dandjinou Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610 Dakar 221 77 639 30 41 www.scg.bj skype : sagbo1953
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail....
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
Hi, I am wondering what the offical KE position on this is going to be in the ITU, especially in the upcoming WCIT meeting where the ITRs will be re-negotiated. Anyone with insider knowledge? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel On 2/23/12, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting Piece Pierre, i agree with Roberts observation, the Internet has flourished under an environment of openness, cooperation and collaboration, it will be futile to try and establish control over it at this point in time, the top down approach will not work, nonetheless it is upon stakeholders to make as much noise and make the leaders aware of the implications some wrong decisions could make, i do recall the fact that there was a high level delegation from the ITU at the IGF in Nairobi, i wonder what the outcome of the meeting was and whether it had any relationship with the issue Robert is discussing.
Best Regards
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert M. Dowell argues that top-down, international regulation is antithetical to the Net, which has flourished under its current governance model.
Read on!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204792404577229074023195322.ht......
______________________________________________ Pierre
-- Pierre Dandjinou Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610 Dakar 221 77 639 30 41 www.scg.bj skype : sagbo1953
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail....
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dogwallah%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hi McTim and all, Our assumption is the national position on the upcoming WCIT-12 will be developed with stakeholder input and we should all look forward to contributing to shaping our national position before the second Africa regional meeting in 21-24 May 2012 in South Africa. More information on WCIT Visit: http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/default.aspx best Alice ------------------- A different view on the article: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/119481-fcc-fires-fud-at-the-idea-of-a-u... FCC fires FUD at the idea of a UN-controlled internet In a recent editorial at The Wall Street Journal, FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell blasted the upcoming ITU World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT-12). According to McDowell, Russia, China, and their allies at the ITU want to monitor all internet communications, allow foreign companies to charge for international internet traffic "perhaps even on a per-click basis," impose economic regulations, take over ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers), and conquer the Internet Engineering Task Force. McDowell reaches a bombastic crescendo <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204792404577229074023195322.html> by claiming that the treaty will more-or-less destroy everything, everywhere, writing: "Productivity, rising living standards and the spread of freedom everywhere, but especially in the developing world, would grind to a halt as engineering and business decisions become politically paralyzed within a global regulatory body." The FCC Commissioner's threat assessment is completely out-of-step with the US government's opinion, as shown in a leaked memo <http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2012/1/30/4988735.html> from January 23, 2012. The memo notes that while there was "great and widespread concern" a year ago that WCIT-12 would be a battle over the role the ITU should play in internet governance, the US spent 12 months working to limit the scope and nature of the issues that will be considered at the treaty negotiations. As a result, "There are no pending proposals to invest the ITU with ICANN-like Internet governance authority. Neither cybersecurity nor Internet governance predominate discussion in any region." Among the charges leveled at the ITU are claims that the treaty could "Impose unprecedented economic regulations such as mandates for rates, terms and conditions for currently unregulated traffic-swapping agreements known as 'peering.'" As we've said, there's literally no such agreement under consideration --- but the inclusion of this point sheds light on why certain parties are so interested in keeping this issue in the news. Under the current unregulated peering system, foreign ISPs pay US ISPs a fee to carry internet traffic, which means US companies make a tidy sum of cash off foreign access. If internet servers were truly decentralized --- the "Balkanization" McDowell fears --- US ISPs would end up paying considerably more money to their foreign counterparts. Those bright white lines aren't just revenue sources, they're control linkages. If you work for the MPAA/RIAA or back laws like SOPA and PIPA <http://www.extremetech.com/computing/114411-sopa-blackouts-begin-as-mpaa-calls-foul>, those links are absolutely vital. Any attempt to create an international system of internet governance would weaken the RIAA and MPAA's efforts to implement SOPA-style censorship. Both bills were aimed at restricting and controlling /foreign/ internet traffic, which means both intrinsically assumed that such traffic would be flowing through the United States. An equally distributed intra-planetary internet would still take geolocation into account for routing and access purposes, but would effectively eliminate the concept of "foreign" websites. SOPA and PIPA were meant to be palatable to the general US population precisely because they exploited an us/them mentality and claimed to be protecting America. If internet control were to shift towards nations that favored fewer copyright restrictions, internet access as a human right, and limited punishment for piracy, it would be a serious threat to content distributors. McDowell's claims are factually inaccurate and hyperbolic. They paint a false dichotomy between the idea that the internet today is a free-wheeling, uncontrolled frontier, while the alternative is a fascist state. The internet, as it exists today, is highly regulated. Some of that regulation was inherited or expanded from the old laws governing telephone access <http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/107527-att-slams-fccs-t-mobile-merger-investigation-as-lacking-all-credibility> and line-sharing, some of it is applied via laws like the DMCA. ICANN is not a direct arm of the US government, but it's a far cry from a private corporation. The publicized debates around net neutrality and the FCC last year are further evidence that the idea of an unregulated internet is a fallacy. At the other end of the equation, no one advocates handing over complete control of the internet to the likes of Russia, China, Myanmar, and Iran. There's no reason not to open internet governance slowly and gradually, unless you represent a faction who views such a process as an unacceptable loss of control. Regardless of how you feel about the issue, McDowell's editorial only clouds the debate with demagoguery. It's a blatant attempt to fire people up emotionally with virtually no grounding in objective fact. The internet is going nowhere, regardless of what happens at the upcoming meeting. Ultimately, however, this isn't a debate about whether the internet is regulated, but an argument over who should control the regulatory process. If US lawmakers continue pushing bills like SOPA and PIPA, they may find an increasing number of US citizens who think the UN is a more attractive alternative --- a concept editorials like this are meant to thwart.
Hi,
I am wondering what the offical KE position on this is going to be in the ITU, especially in the upcoming WCIT meeting where the ITRs will be re-negotiated.
Anyone with insider knowledge?
Dear Alice, That sounds good, i suppose the same case should apply to every other nation with a local and regional IGF, it would also be a great opportunity for Africa to speak in one voice. Best Regards Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Alice Munyua <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Hi McTim and all,
Our assumption is the national position on the upcoming WCIT-12 will be developed with stakeholder input and we should all look forward to contributing to shaping our national position before the second Africa regional meeting in 21-24 May 2012 in South Africa.
More information on WCIT Visit: http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/default.aspx
best
Alice ------------------- A different view on the article:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/119481-fcc-fires-fud-at-the-idea-of-a-u...
FCC fires FUD at the idea of a UN-controlled internet
In a recent editorial at The Wall Street Journal, FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell blasted the upcoming ITU World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT-12). According to McDowell, Russia, China, and their allies at the ITU want to monitor all internet communications, allow foreign companies to charge for international internet traffic “perhaps even on a per-click basis,” impose economic regulations, take over ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers), and conquer the Internet Engineering Task Force.
McDowell reaches a bombastic crescendo by claiming that the treaty will more-or-less destroy everything, everywhere, writing: “Productivity, rising living standards and the spread of freedom everywhere, but especially in the developing world, would grind to a halt as engineering and business decisions become politically paralyzed within a global regulatory body.”
The FCC Commissioner’s threat assessment is completely out-of-step with the US government’s opinion, as shown in a leaked memo from January 23, 2012. The memo notes that while there was “great and widespread concern” a year ago that WCIT-12 would be a battle over the role the ITU should play in internet governance, the US spent 12 months working to limit the scope and nature of the issues that will be considered at the treaty negotiations. As a result, “There are no pending proposals to invest the ITU with ICANN-like Internet governance authority. Neither cybersecurity nor Internet governance predominate discussion in any region.”
Among the charges leveled at the ITU are claims that the treaty could “Impose unprecedented economic regulations such as mandates for rates, terms and conditions for currently unregulated traffic-swapping agreements known as ‘peering.’” As we’ve said, there’s literally no such agreement under consideration — but the inclusion of this point sheds light on why certain parties are so interested in keeping this issue in the news.
Under the current unregulated peering system, foreign ISPs pay US ISPs a fee to carry internet traffic, which means US companies make a tidy sum of cash off foreign access. If internet servers were truly decentralized — the “Balkanization” McDowell fears — US ISPs would end up paying considerably more money to their foreign counterparts.
Those bright white lines aren’t just revenue sources, they’re control linkages. If you work for the MPAA/RIAA or back laws like SOPA and PIPA, those links are absolutely vital. Any attempt to create an international system of internet governance would weaken the RIAA and MPAA’s efforts to implement SOPA-style censorship. Both bills were aimed at restricting and controlling foreign internet traffic, which means both intrinsically assumed that such traffic would be flowing through the United States.
An equally distributed intra-planetary internet would still take geolocation into account for routing and access purposes, but would effectively eliminate the concept of “foreign” websites. SOPA and PIPA were meant to be palatable to the general US population precisely because they exploited an us/them mentality and claimed to be protecting America. If internet control were to shift towards nations that favored fewer copyright restrictions, internet access as a human right, and limited punishment for piracy, it would be a serious threat to content distributors.
McDowell’s claims are factually inaccurate and hyperbolic. They paint a false dichotomy between the idea that the internet today is a free-wheeling, uncontrolled frontier, while the alternative is a fascist state. The internet, as it exists today, is highly regulated. Some of that regulation was inherited or expanded from the old laws governing telephone access and line-sharing, some of it is applied via laws like the DMCA. ICANN is not a direct arm of the US government, but it’s a far cry from a private corporation. The publicized debates around net neutrality and the FCC last year are further evidence that the idea of an unregulated internet is a fallacy.
At the other end of the equation, no one advocates handing over complete control of the internet to the likes of Russia, China, Myanmar, and Iran. There’s no reason not to open internet governance slowly and gradually, unless you represent a faction who views such a process as an unacceptable loss of control. Regardless of how you feel about the issue, McDowell’s editorial only clouds the debate with demagoguery. It’s a blatant attempt to fire people up emotionally with virtually no grounding in objective fact. The internet is going nowhere, regardless of what happens at the upcoming meeting. Ultimately, however, this isn’t a debate about whether the internet is regulated, but an argument over who should control the regulatory process. If US lawmakers continue pushing bills like SOPA and PIPA, they may find an increasing number of US citizens who think the UN is a more attractive alternative — a concept editorials like this are meant to thwart.
Hi,
I am wondering what the offical KE position on this is going to be in the ITU, especially in the upcoming WCIT meeting where the ITRs will be re-negotiated.
Anyone with insider knowledge?
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail....
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.
participants (4)
-
Alice Munyua -
Barrack Otieno -
Dandjinou Pierre -
McTim