CCK hosting its website abroad
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku... For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better. Read more...http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/ RgdsGG
Grace/Wanjiku, While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think there is a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate the total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service; 1) Cost 2) Security 3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet ) 4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability 5) others ... Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback? Thanks Joe Mucheru On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better.
Read more... http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
Rgds GG
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Grace/Wanjiku,
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think there is a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate the total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service; 1) Cost
Ochieng Maxwell Technology Officer Messaging Solutions Tel:+254-20-6000295/6 +254-20-3569132 P.o Box 44926-00100, Nairobi Sent from my iPad 2 On Apr 22, 2012, at 23:37, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote: thought CCK should think of the bigger picture when it comes to cost, how much does it cost Kenyans to pay for international bandwidth to access CCK website and what is the purpose of the IXP and how do we promote it?
2) Security most Kenyan sites hosted outside the country mainly run on vps or dedicated hosting and are managed by web developers or "brokers" whose understanding of security is very minimal and are mainly control panel experts so I doubt if security is ever a major concern.
3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet ) with EA undersea fiber I thought audience location should not matter unless the website is hosted on dial up in someone's bedroom. Devices thought should be a developer thing. 4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability 5) others ...
Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback?
My assumption would be hosting locally would help Kenyans improve on their security knowledge , create a few jobs, give KPLC an extra income and another excuse for blackouts and not sure but would assume even CCK data is some sort of local content which needs to be consumed locally. I think the most concern for hosting websites in Kenya is cost and KPLC, cost for CCK I doubt is an issue considering their responsibilities. I also doubt they can't find a provider with some reliable power backup system locally. My 1 cent
Thanks
Joe Mucheru
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better.
Read more... http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
Rgds GG
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Mr. Mucheru, You have succeded thinking like a businessman. But don't forget CCK is the government. The government banned importing furniture for its offices. The spirit of that gazette notice was, "the government should utilize local resources first, before looking abroad for unavailable resources." India surpassed Japan as the World third largest economy http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/09/21/india-likely-to-replace-jap... How is India doing it? How is China doing it? We all know the long-long-long term effect of supporting local products and services (not minding the nationality of who owns them) 1. Buy Local -- Support yourself 2. Create more good jobs: Small local businesses are the largest employer nationally, and provide the most jobs to residents. 3. Invest in community: Local businesses are owned by people who live in this community, are less likely to leave, and are more invested in the community’s future. 4. Encourage local prosperity: A growing body of economic research shows that in an increasingly homogenized world, entrepreneurs and skilled workers are more likely to invest and settle in communities that preserve their one-of-a-kind businesses and distinctive character. 5. Keeping Local Ksh in the Economy: We are always crying how the dollar is going up, e.t.c. while we are importing useless stuff. Any fact facing us is not as important as our attitude toward it. - Norman Peale 10rdmwesh ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels twitter.com/lordmwesh kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
One of the biggest costs that relate to webhosting is bandwidth. Then you can think about power and manpower (IT skills), not necessarily in that order. To run a really big data centre, you need these resources in large numbers and eficiently. Out there the cost of bandwith is like 10 times cheaper than what we have, if not more. Someone can correct me on this. Certain countries have highly subsidized bandwidth. Power is very expensive in Kenya, dont even talk about the urealibility. I was once at electricity house to pay my elec bill and I could not because there was a blackout there! So, countries that have sorted themselves in all these variables are the ones running the big data centres. And because of the scale, they are able to offer the hosting services at a very low price. We will need a lot of time to atch up with them, unless of course we run faster than we are running right now. Evans On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Mr. Mucheru, You have succeded thinking like a businessman.
But don't forget CCK is the government. The government banned importing furniture for its offices. The spirit of that gazette notice was, "the government should utilize local resources first, before looking abroad for unavailable resources."
India surpassed Japan as the World third largest economy http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/09/21/india-likely-to-replace-jap...
How is India doing it? How is China doing it? We all know the long-long-long term effect of supporting local products and services (not minding the nationality of who owns them)
1. Buy Local -- Support yourself 2. Create more good jobs: Small local businesses are the largest employer nationally, and provide the most jobs to residents. 3. Invest in community: Local businesses are owned by people who live in this community, are less likely to leave, and are more invested in the community’s future. 4. Encourage local prosperity: A growing body of economic research shows that in an increasingly homogenized world, entrepreneurs and skilled workers are more likely to invest and settle in communities that preserve their one-of-a-kind businesses and distinctive character. 5. Keeping Local Ksh in the Economy: We are always crying how the dollar is going up, e.t.c. while we are importing useless stuff.
Any fact facing us is not as important as our attitude toward it. - Norman Peale
10rdmwesh
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I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of lobbying government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn outsource abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of Capacity, Costs, Security… the list is endless! While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think there is a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned? The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a “local-hosting” irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently. It may be entertaining to watch Nigerian oga movies produced in Abuja, it would be better to see a few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in Kajiado, the best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious Naswa/Pasua comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company behind Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves” goes. The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I should think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later claims to partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the phony CSR! It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is more informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality, aesthetics, prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a local brand called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds….. The same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting. How many Kenyans are in the Diaspora and using the Internet. What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the frontline advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop the requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I think it is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40 million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls, just to mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems… America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of these countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases and they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient capacity and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite language and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting the IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then swing us some! I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service; With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a middle man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of Service ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to a firm with demonstrated local infrastructure. Regards From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad Grace/Wanjiku, While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think there is a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate the total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service; 1) Cost 2) Security 3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet ) 4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability 5) others ... Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback? Thanks Joe Mucheru On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku... For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better. Read more... http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/ Rgds GG _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mucheru%40google.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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My comments on the issue: The government does have a prerogative to develop local industries. A simple example is Embraer in Brazil, which grew to it’s current level (with Kenya Airways buying jets from it) primarily from the government purchasing. We don’t want the government to run the companies in the ICT space, just use the taxes it collects from us to develop the very same industries. If the private sector has it’s act together (as is the case with many companies e.g. Cellulant, which has won a contract from the Government of Nigeria recently, Seven Seas etc) and we have the capacity, it’s wrong for the government to outsource the work… The government of Rwanda currently has a model that for large government contracts, you have to work in tandem with a local firm, which has two companies (Rock Global Consulting & Matrix Business Solutions) experience accelerated growth and are now capable of handling a lot of the business the government has without external partnerships. They have grown their capacity. The government loses less money and this in a small way, fixes their balance of trade and increases employment locally. The US government is currently trying as much as possible to end outsourcing with companies like Apple/Cisco etc. I am not saying that we should adopt a model that was used by India/China in the mid-late twentieth Century (extreme market protection) but I believe it should be tempered. Importing milk from Tanzania for example, will simply kill our dairy industry. Market protection has it’s ills as well, but if well done, grows your economy. I agree, to a point, with Joe’s approach, however, with CCK, given the nature of their business, will necessarily have most of their traffic being local. We do have some good local hosting companies. If for instance, the tender was inclusive of all that and a preference for local hosting (if the website were to be local) or international (in this case the US), then this should clearly be specified at the tender stage. The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to-push-ken...) which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500 companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not channel it’s resources into local firms? On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Eugene Lidede (Synergy) <eugene@synergy.co.ke> wrote:
I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of lobbying government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn outsource abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of Capacity, Costs, Security… the list is endless!
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think there is a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned?
The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a “local-hosting” irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently. It may be entertaining to watch Nigerian oga movies produced in Abuja, it would be better to see a few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in Kajiado, the best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious Naswa/Pasua comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company behind Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves” goes.
The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I should think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later claims to partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the phony CSR!
It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc..
I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is more informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality, aesthetics, prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a local brand called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds….. The same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting.
How many Kenyans are in the Diaspora and using the Internet.
What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the frontline advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop the requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I think it is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40 million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls, just to mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems…
America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of these countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases and they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient capacity and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite language and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting the IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then swing us some!
I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a middle man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of Service ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to a firm with demonstrated local infrastructure.
Regards
From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad
Grace/Wanjiku,
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think there is a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate the total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
1) Cost
2) Security
3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet )
4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability
5) others ...
Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback?
Thanks
Joe Mucheru
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better.
Read more...
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
Rgds
GG
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The government has data centres which are barely utilised http://www.cio.co.ke/news/main-stories/Kenyan-Government-to-launch-3-data-ce... I once tried highlighting issues with Government in my *Last Word *column, though found that I was burning my fingers in the process, and I shall keep my distance from that discussion. In my coming column in the same magazine, I have highlighted that we are pushing too much for "local sourcing" rather than an export oriented economy. If local firms are already exporting, how can we help them export more ? How can we add more firms exporting? While protecting the local firms may looks prudent, we may find ourselves in the receiving end when those who we were exporting to decide it is unfair that we are "keeping them from our market". this has to be done very careful. South Korea, unlike the rest, decided to be crazy and protect its exports - the country is the 8th largest importer and 7th largest exporter - by ensuring that key components are always in supply http://internationalbusiness.wikia.com/wiki/South_Korea's_export-oriented_import_protection_economy Brazil on the other hand, did not have a smooth ride with its import substitution program. It had to devalue its currency (weren't we all crying with a weak currency last year?) and the military decided it was best suited to fix things at some point http://countrystudies.us/brazil/62.htm
In all these discussions, I think Kenya should avoid creating some form of affirmative action when it comes to contracts. Companies in Rwanda may grow because foreigners have to work with them... But are they technically competent There are conversations going on right now around 140 friday about how to strengthen the sector... For me, I think we should build good quality stuff or do good quality work and the contracts will flow You win some, you loose some :) Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+agostal=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:52 To: Agosta Liko<agostal@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad My comments on the issue: The government does have a prerogative to develop local industries. A simple example is Embraer in Brazil, which grew to it’s current level (with Kenya Airways buying jets from it) primarily from the government purchasing. We don’t want the government to run the companies in the ICT space, just use the taxes it collects from us to develop the very same industries. If the private sector has it’s act together (as is the case with many companies e.g. Cellulant, which has won a contract from the Government of Nigeria recently, Seven Seas etc) and we have the capacity, it’s wrong for the government to outsource the work… The government of Rwanda currently has a model that for large government contracts, you have to work in tandem with a local firm, which has two companies (Rock Global Consulting & Matrix Business Solutions) experience accelerated growth and are now capable of handling a lot of the business the government has without external partnerships. They have grown their capacity. The government loses less money and this in a small way, fixes their balance of trade and increases employment locally. The US government is currently trying as much as possible to end outsourcing with companies like Apple/Cisco etc. I am not saying that we should adopt a model that was used by India/China in the mid-late twentieth Century (extreme market protection) but I believe it should be tempered. Importing milk from Tanzania for example, will simply kill our dairy industry. Market protection has it’s ills as well, but if well done, grows your economy. I agree, to a point, with Joe’s approach, however, with CCK, given the nature of their business, will necessarily have most of their traffic being local. We do have some good local hosting companies. If for instance, the tender was inclusive of all that and a preference for local hosting (if the website were to be local) or international (in this case the US), then this should clearly be specified at the tender stage. The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to-push-ken...) which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500 companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not channel it’s resources into local firms? On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Eugene Lidede (Synergy) <eugene@synergy.co.ke> wrote:
I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of lobbying government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn outsource abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of Capacity, Costs, Security… the list is endless!
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think there is a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned?
The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a “local-hosting” irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently. It may be entertaining to watch Nigerian oga movies produced in Abuja, it would be better to see a few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in Kajiado, the best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious Naswa/Pasua comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company behind Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves” goes.
The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I should think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later claims to partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the phony CSR!
It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc..
I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is more informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality, aesthetics, prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a local brand called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds….. The same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting.
How many Kenyans are in the Diaspora and using the Internet.
What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the frontline advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop the requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I think it is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40 million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls, just to mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems…
America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of these countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases and they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient capacity and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite language and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting the IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then swing us some!
I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a middle man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of Service ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to a firm with demonstrated local infrastructure.
Regards
From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad
Grace/Wanjiku,
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think there is a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate the total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
1) Cost
2) Security
3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet )
4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability
5) others ...
Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback?
Thanks
Joe Mucheru
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better.
Read more...
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
Rgds
GG
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On 23 April 2012 12:20, <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
In all these discussions, I think Kenya should avoid creating some form of affirmative action when it comes to contracts.
Companies in Rwanda may grow because foreigners have to work with them... But are they technically competent
There are conversations going on right now around 140 friday about how to strengthen the sector... For me, I think we should build good quality stuff or do good quality work and the contracts will flow
You win some, you loose some :)
+1 on Agosta's comments , plus him being one of our top software exporters, they should be valid .
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+agostal=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:52 To: Agosta Liko<agostal@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
My comments on the issue:
The government does have a prerogative to develop local industries. A simple example is Embraer in Brazil, which grew to it’s current level (with Kenya Airways buying jets from it) primarily from the government purchasing. We don’t want the government to run the companies in the ICT space, just use the taxes it collects from us to develop the very same industries.
If the private sector has it’s act together (as is the case with many companies e.g. Cellulant, which has won a contract from the Government of Nigeria recently, Seven Seas etc) and we have the capacity, it’s wrong for the government to outsource the work… The government of Rwanda currently has a model that for large government contracts, you have to work in tandem with a local firm, which has two companies (Rock Global Consulting & Matrix Business Solutions) experience accelerated growth and are now capable of handling a lot of the business the government has without external partnerships. They have grown their capacity. The government loses less money and this in a small way, fixes their balance of trade and increases employment locally.
The US government is currently trying as much as possible to end outsourcing with companies like Apple/Cisco etc.
I am not saying that we should adopt a model that was used by India/China in the mid-late twentieth Century (extreme market protection) but I believe it should be tempered. Importing milk from Tanzania for example, will simply kill our dairy industry. Market protection has it’s ills as well, but if well done, grows your economy.
I agree, to a point, with Joe’s approach, however, with CCK, given the nature of their business, will necessarily have most of their traffic being local. We do have some good local hosting companies. If for instance, the tender was inclusive of all that and a preference for local hosting (if the website were to be local) or international (in this case the US), then this should clearly be specified at the tender stage.
The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong
http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to-push-ken... ) which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500 companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not channel it’s resources into local firms?
I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of lobbying government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn outsource abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of Capacity, Costs, Security… the list is endless!
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of
local hosting companies are locally owned?
The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a “local-hosting” irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently. It may be entertaining to watch Nigerian oga movies produced in Abuja, it would be better to see a few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in Kajiado,
best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious Naswa/Pasua comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company behind Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves” goes.
The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I should think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later claims to partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the phony CSR!
It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc..
I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is more informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality, aesthetics, prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a local brand called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds….. The same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting.
How many Kenyans are in the Diaspora and using the Internet.
What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the frontline advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop the requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I think it is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40 million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls, just to mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems…
America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of these countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases and they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient capacity and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite language and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting the IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then swing us some!
I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a middle man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of Service ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to a firm with demonstrated local infrastructure.
Regards
From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad
Grace/Wanjiku,
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of
local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate
total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Eugene Lidede (Synergy) <eugene@synergy.co.ke> wrote: there is the the there is the the think
you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
1) Cost
2) Security
3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet )
4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability
5) others ...
Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback?
Thanks
Joe Mucheru
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better.
Read more...
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
Rgds
GG
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Just to clarify Am not a top anything (that's for the big boys)... I strongly believe that our work should speak for itself So in building KITOS or whatever we will call that org, we should focus on what we can do as a sector... Then govt may follow Not start asking that all Kenyan projects should be done by Kenyan firms... Technically, all these "Kenyan Firms" have foreign shareholders... Thanks Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:25:11 To: <agostal@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad On 23 April 2012 12:20, <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
In all these discussions, I think Kenya should avoid creating some form of affirmative action when it comes to contracts.
Companies in Rwanda may grow because foreigners have to work with them... But are they technically competent
There are conversations going on right now around 140 friday about how to strengthen the sector... For me, I think we should build good quality stuff or do good quality work and the contracts will flow
You win some, you loose some :)
+1 on Agosta's comments , plus him being one of our top software exporters, they should be valid .
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+agostal=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:52 To: Agosta Liko<agostal@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
My comments on the issue:
The government does have a prerogative to develop local industries. A simple example is Embraer in Brazil, which grew to it’s current level (with Kenya Airways buying jets from it) primarily from the government purchasing. We don’t want the government to run the companies in the ICT space, just use the taxes it collects from us to develop the very same industries.
If the private sector has it’s act together (as is the case with many companies e.g. Cellulant, which has won a contract from the Government of Nigeria recently, Seven Seas etc) and we have the capacity, it’s wrong for the government to outsource the work… The government of Rwanda currently has a model that for large government contracts, you have to work in tandem with a local firm, which has two companies (Rock Global Consulting & Matrix Business Solutions) experience accelerated growth and are now capable of handling a lot of the business the government has without external partnerships. They have grown their capacity. The government loses less money and this in a small way, fixes their balance of trade and increases employment locally.
The US government is currently trying as much as possible to end outsourcing with companies like Apple/Cisco etc.
I am not saying that we should adopt a model that was used by India/China in the mid-late twentieth Century (extreme market protection) but I believe it should be tempered. Importing milk from Tanzania for example, will simply kill our dairy industry. Market protection has it’s ills as well, but if well done, grows your economy.
I agree, to a point, with Joe’s approach, however, with CCK, given the nature of their business, will necessarily have most of their traffic being local. We do have some good local hosting companies. If for instance, the tender was inclusive of all that and a preference for local hosting (if the website were to be local) or international (in this case the US), then this should clearly be specified at the tender stage.
The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong
http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to-push-ken... ) which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500 companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not channel it’s resources into local firms?
I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of lobbying government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn outsource abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of Capacity, Costs, Security… the list is endless!
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of
local hosting companies are locally owned?
The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a “local-hosting” irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently. It may be entertaining to watch Nigerian oga movies produced in Abuja, it would be better to see a few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in Kajiado,
best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious Naswa/Pasua comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company behind Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves” goes.
The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I should think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later claims to partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the phony CSR!
It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc..
I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is more informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality, aesthetics, prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a local brand called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds….. The same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting.
How many Kenyans are in the Diaspora and using the Internet.
What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the frontline advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop the requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I think it is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40 million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls, just to mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems…
America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of these countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases and they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient capacity and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite language and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting the IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then swing us some!
I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a middle man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of Service ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to a firm with demonstrated local infrastructure.
Regards
From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad
Grace/Wanjiku,
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of
local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate
total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Eugene Lidede (Synergy) <eugene@synergy.co.ke> wrote: there is the the there is the the think
you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
1) Cost
2) Security
3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet )
4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability
5) others ...
Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback?
Thanks
Joe Mucheru
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better.
Read more...
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
Rgds
GG
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Dear all, I think that one thing that has not been taken into consideration is the fact that CCK does not operate it's own hosting infrastructure. If I recall from my ISP days and also assuming that CCK is still a public entity, they are subject to procurement procedures - and hosting their website was one of the hotly contested contracts that we used to compete for. I therefore would like to suggest that, in this case at least, the guns are pointed at the wrong target. Which ISP has the hosting contract? Could it be that their hosting infrastructure (like many others) is based in the USA? Food for thought.... Brian On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM, <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
** Just to clarify
Am not a top anything (that's for the big boys)... I strongly believe that our work should speak for itself
So in building KITOS or whatever we will call that org, we should focus on what we can do as a sector... Then govt may follow
Not start asking that all Kenyan projects should be done by Kenyan firms... Technically, all these "Kenyan Firms" have foreign shareholders...
Thanks Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> *Date: *Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:25:11 +0300 *To: *<agostal@gmail.com> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
On 23 April 2012 12:20, <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
In all these discussions, I think Kenya should avoid creating some form of affirmative action when it comes to contracts.
Companies in Rwanda may grow because foreigners have to work with them... But are they technically competent
There are conversations going on right now around 140 friday about how to strengthen the sector... For me, I think we should build good quality stuff or do good quality work and the contracts will flow
You win some, you loose some :)
+1 on Agosta's comments , plus him being one of our top software exporters, they should be valid .
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+agostal=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:52 To: Agosta Liko<agostal@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
My comments on the issue:
The government does have a prerogative to develop local industries. A simple example is Embraer in Brazil, which grew to it’s current level (with Kenya Airways buying jets from it) primarily from the government purchasing. We don’t want the government to run the companies in the ICT space, just use the taxes it collects from us to develop the very same industries.
If the private sector has it’s act together (as is the case with many companies e.g. Cellulant, which has won a contract from the Government of Nigeria recently, Seven Seas etc) and we have the capacity, it’s wrong for the government to outsource the work… The government of Rwanda currently has a model that for large government contracts, you have to work in tandem with a local firm, which has two companies (Rock Global Consulting & Matrix Business Solutions) experience accelerated growth and are now capable of handling a lot of the business the government has without external partnerships. They have grown their capacity. The government loses less money and this in a small way, fixes their balance of trade and increases employment locally.
The US government is currently trying as much as possible to end outsourcing with companies like Apple/Cisco etc.
I am not saying that we should adopt a model that was used by India/China in the mid-late twentieth Century (extreme market protection) but I believe it should be tempered. Importing milk from Tanzania for example, will simply kill our dairy industry. Market protection has it’s ills as well, but if well done, grows your economy.
I agree, to a point, with Joe’s approach, however, with CCK, given the nature of their business, will necessarily have most of their traffic being local. We do have some good local hosting companies. If for instance, the tender was inclusive of all that and a preference for local hosting (if the website were to be local) or international (in this case the US), then this should clearly be specified at the tender stage.
The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong
http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to-push-ken... ) which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500 companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not channel it’s resources into local firms?
I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of lobbying government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn outsource abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of Capacity, Costs, Security… the list is endless!
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of
local hosting companies are locally owned?
The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a “local-hosting” irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently. It may be entertaining to watch Nigerian oga movies produced in Abuja, it would be better to see a few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in Kajiado, the best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious Naswa/Pasua comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company behind Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves” goes.
The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I should think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later claims to partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the phony CSR!
It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and
decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc..
I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is more informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality, aesthetics, prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a local brand called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds….. The same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting.
How many Kenyans are in the Diaspora and using the Internet.
What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the frontline advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop the requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I think it is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40 million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls, just to mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems…
America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of these countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases and they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient capacity and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite language and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting
IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then swing us some!
I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about
quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a middle man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of Service ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to a firm with demonstrated local infrastructure.
Regards
From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad
Grace/Wanjiku,
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of
local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate
total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Eugene Lidede (Synergy) <eugene@synergy.co.ke> wrote: there is the then the the there is the the think
you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
1) Cost
2) Security
3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet )
4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability
5) others ...
Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback?
Thanks
Joe Mucheru
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com
wrote:
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better.
Read more...
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
Rgds
GG
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Brian is right. A local ISP or hosting business would be awarded the tender and proceed to provision the hosting service on infrastructure in a different country. That would be UUNet, me thinks? Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah | PRINCIPAL PARTNER @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 eGovernance, Healthcare, ICT and Financial Services Innovation for Africa SEMACRAFT CONSULTING PARTNERS Nairobi, Kenya. www.semacraft.com | www.semacraft.com/blog twitter: @semacraft On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear all,
I think that one thing that has not been taken into consideration is the fact that CCK does not operate it's own hosting infrastructure. If I recall from my ISP days and also assuming that CCK is still a public entity, they are subject to procurement procedures - and hosting their website was one of the hotly contested contracts that we used to compete for.
I therefore would like to suggest that, in this case at least, the guns are pointed at the wrong target. Which ISP has the hosting contract? Could it be that their hosting infrastructure (like many others) is based in the USA?
Food for thought....
Brian
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM, <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
** Just to clarify
Am not a top anything (that's for the big boys)... I strongly believe that our work should speak for itself
So in building KITOS or whatever we will call that org, we should focus on what we can do as a sector... Then govt may follow
Not start asking that all Kenyan projects should be done by Kenyan firms... Technically, all these "Kenyan Firms" have foreign shareholders...
Thanks Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> *Date: *Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:25:11 +0300 *To: *<agostal@gmail.com> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
On 23 April 2012 12:20, <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
In all these discussions, I think Kenya should avoid creating some form of affirmative action when it comes to contracts.
Companies in Rwanda may grow because foreigners have to work with them... But are they technically competent
There are conversations going on right now around 140 friday about how to strengthen the sector... For me, I think we should build good quality stuff or do good quality work and the contracts will flow
You win some, you loose some :)
+1 on Agosta's comments , plus him being one of our top software exporters, they should be valid .
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+agostal=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:52 To: Agosta Liko<agostal@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
My comments on the issue:
The government does have a prerogative to develop local industries. A simple example is Embraer in Brazil, which grew to it’s current level (with Kenya Airways buying jets from it) primarily from the government purchasing. We don’t want the government to run the companies in the ICT space, just use the taxes it collects from us to develop the very same industries.
If the private sector has it’s act together (as is the case with many companies e.g. Cellulant, which has won a contract from the Government of Nigeria recently, Seven Seas etc) and we have the capacity, it’s wrong for the government to outsource the work… The government of Rwanda currently has a model that for large government contracts, you have to work in tandem with a local firm, which has two companies (Rock Global Consulting & Matrix Business Solutions) experience accelerated growth and are now capable of handling a lot of the business the government has without external partnerships. They have grown their capacity. The government loses less money and this in a small way, fixes their balance of trade and increases employment locally.
The US government is currently trying as much as possible to end outsourcing with companies like Apple/Cisco etc.
I am not saying that we should adopt a model that was used by India/China in the mid-late twentieth Century (extreme market protection) but I believe it should be tempered. Importing milk from Tanzania for example, will simply kill our dairy industry. Market protection has it’s ills as well, but if well done, grows your economy.
I agree, to a point, with Joe’s approach, however, with CCK, given the nature of their business, will necessarily have most of their traffic being local. We do have some good local hosting companies. If for instance, the tender was inclusive of all that and a preference for local hosting (if the website were to be local) or international (in this case the US), then this should clearly be specified at the tender stage.
The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong
http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to-push-ken... ) which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500 companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not channel it’s resources into local firms?
I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of lobbying government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn outsource abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of Capacity, Costs, Security… the list is endless!
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned?
The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a “local-hosting” irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently. It may be entertaining to watch Nigerian oga movies produced in Abuja, it would be better to see a few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in Kajiado, the best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious Naswa/Pasua comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company behind Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves” goes.
The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I should think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later claims to partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the
CSR!
It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and
decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc..
I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is more informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality, aesthetics, prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a local brand called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds….. The same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting.
How many Kenyans are in the Diaspora and using the Internet.
What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the frontline advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop
requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I
is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40 million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls, just to mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems…
America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of these countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases and they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient capacity and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite language and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting
IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then swing us some!
I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about
quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a middle man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of Service ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to a firm with demonstrated local infrastructure.
Regards
From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad
Grace/Wanjiku,
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate
total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Eugene Lidede (Synergy) <eugene@synergy.co.ke> wrote: there is phony then the think it the the there is the think
you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
1) Cost
2) Security
3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet )
4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability
5) others ...
Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback?
Thanks
Joe Mucheru
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga < ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better.
Read more...
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
Rgds
GG
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Domain Information Query: cck.go.ke Status: Active Created: 13 Feb 2003 Modified: 27 Dec 2009 Expires: 01 Jan 2016 Name Servers: ns1.uunet.co.ke ns2.uunet.co.ke ns1.iafrica.com ns2.iafrica.com Registrar Information Registrar Name: MTN Business On 23 April 2012 17:57, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com> wrote:
Brian is right. A local ISP or hosting business would be awarded the tender and proceed to provision the hosting service on infrastructure in a different country.
That would be UUNet, me thinks?
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear all,
I think that one thing that has not been taken into consideration is the fact that CCK does not operate it's own hosting infrastructure. If I recall from my ISP days and also assuming that CCK is still a public entity, they are subject to procurement procedures - and hosting their website was one of the hotly contested contracts that we used to compete for.
I therefore would like to suggest that, in this case at least, the guns are pointed at the wrong target. Which ISP has the hosting contract? Could it be that their hosting infrastructure (like many others) is based in the USA?
Food for thought....
Brian
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM, <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
** Just to clarify
Am not a top anything (that's for the big boys)... I strongly believe that our work should speak for itself
So in building KITOS or whatever we will call that org, we should focus on what we can do as a sector... Then govt may follow
Not start asking that all Kenyan projects should be done by Kenyan firms... Technically, all these "Kenyan Firms" have foreign shareholders...
Thanks Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: * Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> *Date: *Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:25:11 +0300 *To: *<agostal@gmail.com> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
On 23 April 2012 12:20, <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
In all these discussions, I think Kenya should avoid creating some form of affirmative action when it comes to contracts.
Companies in Rwanda may grow because foreigners have to work with them... But are they technically competent
There are conversations going on right now around 140 friday about how to strengthen the sector... For me, I think we should build good quality stuff or do good quality work and the contracts will flow
You win some, you loose some :)
+1 on Agosta's comments , plus him being one of our top software exporters, they should be valid .
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-----Original Message----- From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+agostal=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:52 To: Agosta Liko<agostal@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
My comments on the issue:
The government does have a prerogative to develop local industries. A simple example is Embraer in Brazil, which grew to it’s current level (with Kenya Airways buying jets from it) primarily from the government purchasing. We don’t want the government to run the companies in the ICT space, just use the taxes it collects from us to develop the very same industries.
If the private sector has it’s act together (as is the case with many companies e.g. Cellulant, which has won a contract from the Government of Nigeria recently, Seven Seas etc) and we have the capacity, it’s wrong for the government to outsource the work… The government of Rwanda currently has a model that for large government contracts, you have to work in tandem with a local firm, which has two companies (Rock Global Consulting & Matrix Business Solutions) experience accelerated growth and are now capable of handling a lot of the business the government has without external partnerships. They have grown their capacity. The government loses less money and this in a small way, fixes their balance of trade and increases employment locally.
The US government is currently trying as much as possible to end outsourcing with companies like Apple/Cisco etc.
I am not saying that we should adopt a model that was used by India/China in the mid-late twentieth Century (extreme market protection) but I believe it should be tempered. Importing milk from Tanzania for example, will simply kill our dairy industry. Market protection has it’s ills as well, but if well done, grows your economy.
I agree, to a point, with Joe’s approach, however, with CCK, given the nature of their business, will necessarily have most of their traffic being local. We do have some good local hosting companies. If for instance, the tender was inclusive of all that and a preference for local hosting (if the website were to be local) or international (in this case the US), then this should clearly be specified at the tender stage.
The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong
http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to-push-ken... ) which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500 companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not channel it’s resources into local firms?
I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of lobbying government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn outsource abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of Capacity, Costs, Security… the list is endless!
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned?
The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a “local-hosting” irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently. It may be entertaining to watch Nigerian oga movies produced in Abuja, it would be better to see a few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in Kajiado, the best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious Naswa/Pasua comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company behind Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves” goes.
The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I should think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later claims to partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the
CSR!
It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and
decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc..
I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is more informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality, aesthetics, prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a local brand called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds….. The same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting.
How many Kenyans are in the Diaspora and using the Internet.
What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the frontline advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop
requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I
is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40 million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls, just to mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems…
America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of
countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases and they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient capacity and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite language and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting
IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then swing us some!
I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about
quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a middle man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of Service ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to a firm with demonstrated local infrastructure.
Regards
From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad
Grace/Wanjiku,
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Eugene Lidede (Synergy) <eugene@synergy.co.ke> wrote: there is phony then the think it these the the there is
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate the total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
1) Cost
2) Security
3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet )
4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability
5) others ...
Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback?
Thanks
Joe Mucheru
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga < ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better.
Read more...
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
Rgds
GG
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Phares
The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to-push-ken... which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500 companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not channel it’s resources into local firms?
This statement comes across as marketing types seeking to ride off Seven Seas runaway success in Africa. How do you increase maize production by increasing the number of farmers a hundred fold, yet existing farmers are wailing left right center and you are doing nothing to increase the amount of nor fertility of existing arable land? Regards
-----Original Message----- From: Phares Kariuki [mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:57 AM To: eugene@synergy.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
My comments on the issue:
The government does have a prerogative to develop local industries. A simple example is Embraer in Brazil, which grew to it’s current level (with Kenya Airways buying jets from it) primarily from the government purchasing. We don’t want the government to run the companies in the ICT space, just use the taxes it collects from us to develop the very same industries.
If the private sector has it’s act together (as is the case with many companies e.g. Cellulant, which has won a contract from the Government of Nigeria recently, Seven Seas etc) and we have the capacity, it’s wrong for the government to outsource the work… The government of Rwanda currently has a model that for large government contracts, you have to work in tandem with a local firm, which has two companies (Rock Global Consulting & Matrix Business Solutions) experience accelerated growth and are now capable of handling a lot of the business the government has without external partnerships. They have grown their capacity. The government loses less money and this in a small way, fixes their balance of trade and increases employment locally.
The US government is currently trying as much as possible to end outsourcing with companies like Apple/Cisco etc.
I am not saying that we should adopt a model that was used by India/China in the mid-late twentieth Century (extreme market protection) but I believe it should be tempered. Importing milk from Tanzania for example, will simply kill our dairy industry. Market protection has it’s ills as well, but if well done, grows your economy.
I agree, to a point, with Joe’s approach, however, with CCK, given the nature of their business, will necessarily have most of their traffic being local. We do have some good local hosting companies. If for instance, the tender was inclusive of all that and a preference for local hosting (if the website were to be local) or international (in this case the US), then this should clearly be specified at the tender stage.
The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to- push-kenya-to-top-10-ict-hubs/) which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500 companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not channel it’s resources into local firms?
I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of lobbying government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn outsource abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of Capacity, Costs, Security… the list is endless!
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned?
The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a “local- hosting” irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently. It may be entertaining to watch Nigerian oga movies produced in Abuja, it would be better to see a few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in Kajiado, the best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious Naswa/Pasua comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company behind Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves” goes.
The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I should think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later claims to partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the
CSR!
It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and
decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc..
I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is more informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality, aesthetics, prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a local brand called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds….. The same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting.
How many Kenyans are in the Diaspora and using the Internet.
What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the frontline advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop
requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I
is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40 million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls, just to mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems…
America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of
countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases and they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient capacity and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite language and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting
IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then swing us some!
I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about
quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a middle man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of Service ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to a firm with demonstrated local infrastructure.
Regards
From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad
Grace/Wanjiku,
While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Eugene Lidede (Synergy) <eugene@synergy.co.ke> wrote: there is phony then the think it these the the there is
a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many of the local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate the total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South African company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting ..... How many Kenyans are in the diaspora and using the Internet. I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into where to host a service;
1) Cost
2) Security
3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices (mobile (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet )
4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability
5) others ...
Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you investigate and give us feedback?
Thanks
Joe Mucheru
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you would expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how infrastructure has improved and how it is getting better.
Read more...
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
Rgds
GG
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