E-Government is it a myth or a reality?
Listers, I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis My thoughts -- Barrack O. Otieno Administrative Manager Afriregister Ltd (Ke) P.o.Box 21682 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254721325277 +254733206359 +254202498789 Riara Road, Bamboo Lane www.afriregister.com www.afriregister.co.ke ICANN accredited registrar. Skype: barrack.otieno
Barack, Agreed. To be FRANKLY HONEST,it will be entirely of no value at all to carry out strategy meetings after strategy meetings when little impact is felt on the ground - as in, the average person you and I meet out there has no inkling of what it's all about. E-Government will only make "national" sense, when delivery and access is felt right upto the grassroots. It's not happening yet. We need to decentralize and devolve, and take ICT to the citizens, asap. I think it will defeat the purpose to build up capacity just to equip our hq offices with the latest technology and forget who are our real customers - those who need service delivery, and the tools to interact with Govt. While at it, we have work cut out. We need to apply a portion of the resources we have to transport this Technology to those at grassroots. Market it to them, sensitize them on it's relevance as one way that would promote uptake. Mediums of delivery, are as crucial - such as Broadband. Infact this is of top priority. It's still too costly, for those who would need to interact with Technology, maybe just to access basic Govt. services. We need to decisively drive pricing downwards for broadband at grassroots level as a matter of urgency, otherwise projects like E-Learning, will make little sense to those who need equipping most. We have to bring service providers around the table and impress upon them why we feel they hold the key to the nation's developmental agenda, and why it's important they partner to drive pricing to 10% of the current rates, especially in low income areas - and institutions of basic learning. Is it a far fetched idea..? I do not think so... Lastly, please let's drive out "vested" interests from the national agenda, and be pragmatic.. Thanks, ladies and gentlemen.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:44 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] E-Government is it a myth or a reality? Listers, I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis My thoughts -- Barrack O. Otieno Administrative Manager Afriregister Ltd (Ke) P.o.Box 21682 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254721325277 +254733206359 +254202498789 Riara Road, Bamboo Lane www.afriregister.com www.afriregister.co.ke ICANN accredited registrar. Skype: barrack.otieno _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke
Good observation Barracks. It is frustrating when we claim to be making policies and don't get any headway. Can the bureaucrats enlighten us why we are stuck in a game of musical chairs? Regards Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248 On 27/03/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis
My thoughts
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Hello Barrack, I see and hear your concerns, however, this animal called e-Government can be very complex and allow me to share some little knowledge I have after more than 10 years of e-Gov consulting. Warning: This will be a bit long. First and fore most we have to understand that e-Gov is delivery of public services through the use of ICT infrastructure. This means e-Gov is *not* ICT infrastructure but part of the delivery and facilitation mechanism. If we agree on this, then the networks that you refer to (I think this is the Government Core Network (GCN)) has set the stage for e-Gov service delivery but it is not a service as-is. This means there is a another level that needs to be worked on, and that is the services portfolio. This has already started albeit in a very uncoordinated manner. KRA seems to be leading the fray - PIN, VAT application, Online tax returns etc. Due to poor or lack of coordination, each Ministry seems to be working on their own programmes and projects (I have talked about this before) and I can tell you this does not bring the benefits of e-Gov - efficiency, accuracy and cost savings. A case in point is the myriad of databases across government agencies. Almost each ministry *owns* its own database with a lot of redundant information that each ministry keeps on collecting from you. Under the shared services model, application and data re-use can be made possible. Where Govt can shared core applications and databases. You will be surprised the amount of errors that are introduced to records every time an new form is filled. So just reducing the number of times you fill a form at each ministry greatly improves the accuracy of Govt records. So, shared services model is best practice in e-Gov. Now, about strategies and strategy meetings. E-Gov is a change process. Its about change, changing the way people work, changing the processes and re-engineering these process to be supported by an ICT infrastructure. Change at any level is not easy and at government level is unthinkable! Let me illustrate. All e-Gov services have to be backed by law and there are legal requirements for every government service you receive. Some laws have come into effect that support the roll out of e-Gov services but many are yet to be enacted. Consider the issue of contracts. When is a contract valid? In most cases there are specific requirements of form designed to protect interests or persons. So you see that contracts may in some cases be considered valid only when executed in their physical form. That's why you have to make a physical application and sign it when applying for your passport. So, for you to apply for the same passport online, some laws have to be amended to allow for such provisions. The UN or InfoDev, not sure which one, identified 5 e-Gov maturity levels from basic online presence to what they refer to a Connected Government. All these stages are incremental and have increased benefits to the citizens as you move up the ladder. Connected Government is ideal level and very few countries globally are there yet. One of them is Canada. We are possibly at the second level where we have basic transactional capabilities - can download a form, can file tax returns online, can query a database to check the status of your passport application etc. Now, to move to the next level, we need to plan and put strategies in place. Evaluate what we have done, where we are at, revisit our priorities and set new goals. This is a that you will see over and over again. So e-Gov is not something you switch on, its a process that builds on existing blocks incrementally. Whether we use these strategies we develop and review is a totally different thing. But its critical to plan and strategise. As they say, failure to plan is planning to fail. My apologies for such a long post, but I felt obliged because e-Gov is a subject that is very close to my heart and I hope this helps. Corrections and additions are all welcome I suspect this is worth a bob, ama walu? Kindest regards Harry On 3/27/10 7:43 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis
My thoughts
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Well said Harry. I keep hearing the term 'broadband' bandied about in this context. Broadband in itself is not the answer. There is no point of a 6 lane highway if there is nowhere the road is going. Just to add on what you said above an important consideration is to review some of the current existing processes and see if they make sense, both in themselves and in a connected context. For example if e-Government is implemented from a context of National and International Immigration it would be useful to re-look at many of the existing processes: for example the need of that exit/entry declaration form that is filled at the airport. Is there a need to fill in your name, address, occupation etc -- information that is already on your passport and is already being scanned? Many such parallels exist. E-government should not purely be looked at from the perspective of ICT On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org>wrote:
Hello Barrack,
I see and hear your concerns, however, this animal called e-Government can be very complex and allow me to share some little knowledge I have after more than 10 years of e-Gov consulting. Warning: This will be a bit long.
First and fore most we have to understand that e-Gov is delivery of public services through the use of ICT infrastructure. This means e-Gov is *not* ICT infrastructure but part of the delivery and facilitation mechanism. If we agree on this, then the networks that you refer to (I think this is the Government Core Network (GCN)) has set the stage for e-Gov service delivery but it is not a service as-is.
This means there is a another level that needs to be worked on, and that is the services portfolio. This has already started albeit in a very uncoordinated manner. KRA seems to be leading the fray - PIN, VAT application, Online tax returns etc. Due to poor or lack of coordination, each Ministry seems to be working on their own programmes and projects (I have talked about this before) and I can tell you this does not bring the benefits of e-Gov - efficiency, accuracy and cost savings.
A case in point is the myriad of databases across government agencies. Almost each ministry *owns* its own database with a lot of redundant information that each ministry keeps on collecting from you. Under the shared services model, application and data re-use can be made possible. Where Govt can shared core applications and databases. You will be surprised the amount of errors that are introduced to records every time an new form is filled. So just reducing the number of times you fill a form at each ministry greatly improves the accuracy of Govt records. So, shared services model is best practice in e-Gov.
Now, about strategies and strategy meetings. E-Gov is a change process. Its about change, changing the way people work, changing the processes and re-engineering these process to be supported by an ICT infrastructure. Change at any level is not easy and at government level is unthinkable!
Let me illustrate. All e-Gov services have to be backed by law and there are legal requirements for every government service you receive. Some laws have come into effect that support the roll out of e-Gov services but many are yet to be enacted. Consider the issue of contracts. When is a contract valid? In most cases there are specific requirements of form designed to protect interests or persons. So you see that contracts may in some cases be considered valid only when executed in their physical form. That's why you have to make a physical application and sign it when applying for your passport. So, for you to apply for the same passport online, some laws have to be amended to allow for such provisions.
The UN or InfoDev, not sure which one, identified 5 e-Gov maturity levels from basic online presence to what they refer to a Connected Government. All these stages are incremental and have increased benefits to the citizens as you move up the ladder. Connected Government is ideal level and very few countries globally are there yet. One of them is Canada. We are possibly at the second level where we have basic transactional capabilities - can download a form, can file tax returns online, can query a database to check the status of your passport application etc.
Now, to move to the next level, we need to plan and put strategies in place. Evaluate what we have done, where we are at, revisit our priorities and set new goals. This is a that you will see over and over again. So e-Gov is not something you switch on, its a process that builds on existing blocks incrementally.
Whether we use these strategies we develop and review is a totally different thing. But its critical to plan and strategise. As they say, failure to plan is planning to fail.
My apologies for such a long post, but I felt obliged because e-Gov is a subject that is very close to my heart and I hope this helps. Corrections and additions are all welcome
I suspect this is worth a bob, ama walu?
Kindest regards Harry
On 3/27/10 7:43 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis
My thoughts
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Rad, Agreed, broadband on it's own will never be an answer - But you see, the " 6 lane highway" is the one that leads to the "Big City", already being built block by block, as Harry correctly put's it. Lest we wait until we have built a big city - such as Nrb right now, and then realize quite late the roads leading to it are logjammed/ congested and it's also very expensive to access services, and have to start building by-passes to decongest, etc etc, when this could have been done much earlier on. What we are looking it, is ways and means of delivery of the E-Govt. services, to the real customers - with ease of convenience and through affordable mediums. There is no gainsaying, that this has to be addressed, urgently. The customers, of these services - such as Returns filing, do not sit at the Gov't Headquarters. They are far and wide, we need to ensure that as we work on platforms, these services should reach customers where they are. Therefore we like it or not, broadband becomes of absolute essence. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Rad! Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:37 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] E-Government is it a myth or a reality? Well said Harry. I keep hearing the term 'broadband' bandied about in this context. Broadband in itself is not the answer. There is no point of a 6 lane highway if there is nowhere the road is going. Just to add on what you said above an important consideration is to review some of the current existing processes and see if they make sense, both in themselves and in a connected context. For example if e-Government is implemented from a context of National and International Immigration it would be useful to re-look at many of the existing processes: for example the need of that exit/entry declaration form that is filled at the airport. Is there a need to fill in your name, address, occupation etc -- information that is already on your passport and is already being scanned? Many such parallels exist. E-government should not purely be looked at from the perspective of ICT On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote: Hello Barrack, I see and hear your concerns, however, this animal called e-Government can be very complex and allow me to share some little knowledge I have after more than 10 years of e-Gov consulting. Warning: This will be a bit long. First and fore most we have to understand that e-Gov is delivery of public services through the use of ICT infrastructure. This means e-Gov is *not* ICT infrastructure but part of the delivery and facilitation mechanism. If we agree on this, then the networks that you refer to (I think this is the Government Core Network (GCN)) has set the stage for e-Gov service delivery but it is not a service as-is. This means there is a another level that needs to be worked on, and that is the services portfolio. This has already started albeit in a very uncoordinated manner. KRA seems to be leading the fray - PIN, VAT application, Online tax returns etc. Due to poor or lack of coordination, each Ministry seems to be working on their own programmes and projects (I have talked about this before) and I can tell you this does not bring the benefits of e-Gov - efficiency, accuracy and cost savings. A case in point is the myriad of databases across government agencies. Almost each ministry *owns* its own database with a lot of redundant information that each ministry keeps on collecting from you. Under the shared services model, application and data re-use can be made possible. Where Govt can shared core applications and databases. You will be surprised the amount of errors that are introduced to records every time an new form is filled. So just reducing the number of times you fill a form at each ministry greatly improves the accuracy of Govt records. So, shared services model is best practice in e-Gov. Now, about strategies and strategy meetings. E-Gov is a change process. Its about change, changing the way people work, changing the processes and re-engineering these process to be supported by an ICT infrastructure. Change at any level is not easy and at government level is unthinkable! Let me illustrate. All e-Gov services have to be backed by law and there are legal requirements for every government service you receive. Some laws have come into effect that support the roll out of e-Gov services but many are yet to be enacted. Consider the issue of contracts. When is a contract valid? In most cases there are specific requirements of form designed to protect interests or persons. So you see that contracts may in some cases be considered valid only when executed in their physical form. That's why you have to make a physical application and sign it when applying for your passport. So, for you to apply for the same passport online, some laws have to be amended to allow for such provisions. The UN or InfoDev, not sure which one, identified 5 e-Gov maturity levels from basic online presence to what they refer to a Connected Government. All these stages are incremental and have increased benefits to the citizens as you move up the ladder. Connected Government is ideal level and very few countries globally are there yet. One of them is Canada. We are possibly at the second level where we have basic transactional capabilities - can download a form, can file tax returns online, can query a database to check the status of your passport application etc. Now, to move to the next level, we need to plan and put strategies in place. Evaluate what we have done, where we are at, revisit our priorities and set new goals. This is a that you will see over and over again. So e-Gov is not something you switch on, its a process that builds on existing blocks incrementally. Whether we use these strategies we develop and review is a totally different thing. But its critical to plan and strategise. As they say, failure to plan is planning to fail. My apologies for such a long post, but I felt obliged because e-Gov is a subject that is very close to my heart and I hope this helps. Corrections and additions are all welcome I suspect this is worth a bob, ama walu? Kindest regards Harry On 3/27/10 7:43 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis
My thoughts
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You misunderstand me. I am not saying we don't need broadband. Far from it. What I am saying is that broadband in itself is not a panacea. There need to be systems and appropriate processes in addition to broadband for service delivery to work. My concern is that there is too much emphasis is on broadband, less on systems and even less on procedures and processes. This to me is putting the cart before the horse. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>wrote:
Rad,
Agreed, broadband on it's own will never be an answer - But you see, the " 6 lane highway" is the one that leads to the "Big City", already being built block by block, as Harry correctly put's it.
Lest we wait until we have built a big city - such as Nrb right now, and then realize quite late the roads leading to it are logjammed/ congested and it's also very expensive to access services, and have to start building by-passes to decongest, etc etc, when this could have been done much earlier on.
What we are looking it, is ways and means of delivery of the E-Govt. services, to the real customers - with ease of convenience and through affordable mediums. There is no gainsaying, that this has to be addressed, urgently. The customers, of these services - such as Returns filing, do not sit at the Gov't Headquarters. They are far and wide, we need to ensure that as we work on platforms, these services should reach customers where they are.
Therefore we like it or not, broadband becomes of absolute essence.
Harry ------------------------------ *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=comtelsys.co.ke@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Rad! *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 10:37 AM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] E-Government is it a myth or a reality?
Well said Harry.
I keep hearing the term 'broadband' bandied about in this context. Broadband in itself is not the answer. There is no point of a 6 lane highway if there is nowhere the road is going.
Just to add on what you said above an important consideration is to review some of the current existing processes and see if they make sense, both in themselves and in a connected context.
For example if e-Government is implemented from a context of National and International Immigration it would be useful to re-look at many of the existing processes: for example the need of that exit/entry declaration form that is filled at the airport. Is there a need to fill in your name, address, occupation etc -- information that is already on your passport and is already being scanned?
Many such parallels exist. E-government should not purely be looked at from the perspective of ICT
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Harry Hare < harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote:
Hello Barrack,
I see and hear your concerns, however, this animal called e-Government can be very complex and allow me to share some little knowledge I have after more than 10 years of e-Gov consulting. Warning: This will be a bit long.
First and fore most we have to understand that e-Gov is delivery of public services through the use of ICT infrastructure. This means e-Gov is *not* ICT infrastructure but part of the delivery and facilitation mechanism. If we agree on this, then the networks that you refer to (I think this is the Government Core Network (GCN)) has set the stage for e-Gov service delivery but it is not a service as-is.
This means there is a another level that needs to be worked on, and that is the services portfolio. This has already started albeit in a very uncoordinated manner. KRA seems to be leading the fray - PIN, VAT application, Online tax returns etc. Due to poor or lack of coordination, each Ministry seems to be working on their own programmes and projects (I have talked about this before) and I can tell you this does not bring the benefits of e-Gov - efficiency, accuracy and cost savings.
A case in point is the myriad of databases across government agencies. Almost each ministry *owns* its own database with a lot of redundant information that each ministry keeps on collecting from you. Under the shared services model, application and data re-use can be made possible. Where Govt can shared core applications and databases. You will be surprised the amount of errors that are introduced to records every time an new form is filled. So just reducing the number of times you fill a form at each ministry greatly improves the accuracy of Govt records. So, shared services model is best practice in e-Gov.
Now, about strategies and strategy meetings. E-Gov is a change process. Its about change, changing the way people work, changing the processes and re-engineering these process to be supported by an ICT infrastructure. Change at any level is not easy and at government level is unthinkable!
Let me illustrate. All e-Gov services have to be backed by law and there are legal requirements for every government service you receive. Some laws have come into effect that support the roll out of e-Gov services but many are yet to be enacted. Consider the issue of contracts. When is a contract valid? In most cases there are specific requirements of form designed to protect interests or persons. So you see that contracts may in some cases be considered valid only when executed in their physical form. That's why you have to make a physical application and sign it when applying for your passport. So, for you to apply for the same passport online, some laws have to be amended to allow for such provisions.
The UN or InfoDev, not sure which one, identified 5 e-Gov maturity levels from basic online presence to what they refer to a Connected Government. All these stages are incremental and have increased benefits to the citizens as you move up the ladder. Connected Government is ideal level and very few countries globally are there yet. One of them is Canada. We are possibly at the second level where we have basic transactional capabilities - can download a form, can file tax returns online, can query a database to check the status of your passport application etc.
Now, to move to the next level, we need to plan and put strategies in place. Evaluate what we have done, where we are at, revisit our priorities and set new goals. This is a that you will see over and over again. So e-Gov is not something you switch on, its a process that builds on existing blocks incrementally.
Whether we use these strategies we develop and review is a totally different thing. But its critical to plan and strategise. As they say, failure to plan is planning to fail.
My apologies for such a long post, but I felt obliged because e-Gov is a subject that is very close to my heart and I hope this helps. Corrections and additions are all welcome
I suspect this is worth a bob, ama walu?
Kindest regards Harry
On 3/27/10 7:43 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis
My thoughts
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Hey Rad, Understood. Perhaps E-Govt, might just be the wrong horse, to tie this cart called "Broadband" onto, inasmuch as they may cross paths along the way nonetheless.. Broadband, has alot much more to ride on, and uplift the living standards of much of the populace within this country, - whether policy makers will tie it to what they would like to achieve in E-Govt service dissemination is adifferent matter altogether.. But apparently the same policy making process has alot of say on the direction of Broadband. As matters stand right now, we need to see more impact on this. Infact, we can delink the two, and pursue each on it's own aggressively - the better.. Harry _____ From: Rad! [mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:33 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] E-Government is it a myth or a reality? You misunderstand me. I am not saying we don't need broadband. Far from it. What I am saying is that broadband in itself is not a panacea. There need to be systems and appropriate processes in addition to broadband for service delivery to work. My concern is that there is too much emphasis is on broadband, less on systems and even less on procedures and processes. This to me is putting the cart before the horse. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Rad, Agreed, broadband on it's own will never be an answer - But you see, the " 6 lane highway" is the one that leads to the "Big City", already being built block by block, as Harry correctly put's it. Lest we wait until we have built a big city - such as Nrb right now, and then realize quite late the roads leading to it are logjammed/ congested and it's also very expensive to access services, and have to start building by-passes to decongest, etc etc, when this could have been done much earlier on. What we are looking it, is ways and means of delivery of the E-Govt. services, to the real customers - with ease of convenience and through affordable mediums. There is no gainsaying, that this has to be addressed, urgently. The customers, of these services - such as Returns filing, do not sit at the Gov't Headquarters. They are far and wide, we need to ensure that as we work on platforms, these services should reach customers where they are. Therefore we like it or not, broadband becomes of absolute essence. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Rad! Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:37 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] E-Government is it a myth or a reality? Well said Harry. I keep hearing the term 'broadband' bandied about in this context. Broadband in itself is not the answer. There is no point of a 6 lane highway if there is nowhere the road is going. Just to add on what you said above an important consideration is to review some of the current existing processes and see if they make sense, both in themselves and in a connected context. For example if e-Government is implemented from a context of National and International Immigration it would be useful to re-look at many of the existing processes: for example the need of that exit/entry declaration form that is filled at the airport. Is there a need to fill in your name, address, occupation etc -- information that is already on your passport and is already being scanned? Many such parallels exist. E-government should not purely be looked at from the perspective of ICT On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote: Hello Barrack, I see and hear your concerns, however, this animal called e-Government can be very complex and allow me to share some little knowledge I have after more than 10 years of e-Gov consulting. Warning: This will be a bit long. First and fore most we have to understand that e-Gov is delivery of public services through the use of ICT infrastructure. This means e-Gov is *not* ICT infrastructure but part of the delivery and facilitation mechanism. If we agree on this, then the networks that you refer to (I think this is the Government Core Network (GCN)) has set the stage for e-Gov service delivery but it is not a service as-is. This means there is a another level that needs to be worked on, and that is the services portfolio. This has already started albeit in a very uncoordinated manner. KRA seems to be leading the fray - PIN, VAT application, Online tax returns etc. Due to poor or lack of coordination, each Ministry seems to be working on their own programmes and projects (I have talked about this before) and I can tell you this does not bring the benefits of e-Gov - efficiency, accuracy and cost savings. A case in point is the myriad of databases across government agencies. Almost each ministry *owns* its own database with a lot of redundant information that each ministry keeps on collecting from you. Under the shared services model, application and data re-use can be made possible. Where Govt can shared core applications and databases. You will be surprised the amount of errors that are introduced to records every time an new form is filled. So just reducing the number of times you fill a form at each ministry greatly improves the accuracy of Govt records. So, shared services model is best practice in e-Gov. Now, about strategies and strategy meetings. E-Gov is a change process. Its about change, changing the way people work, changing the processes and re-engineering these process to be supported by an ICT infrastructure. Change at any level is not easy and at government level is unthinkable! Let me illustrate. All e-Gov services have to be backed by law and there are legal requirements for every government service you receive. Some laws have come into effect that support the roll out of e-Gov services but many are yet to be enacted. Consider the issue of contracts. When is a contract valid? In most cases there are specific requirements of form designed to protect interests or persons. So you see that contracts may in some cases be considered valid only when executed in their physical form. That's why you have to make a physical application and sign it when applying for your passport. So, for you to apply for the same passport online, some laws have to be amended to allow for such provisions. The UN or InfoDev, not sure which one, identified 5 e-Gov maturity levels from basic online presence to what they refer to a Connected Government. All these stages are incremental and have increased benefits to the citizens as you move up the ladder. Connected Government is ideal level and very few countries globally are there yet. One of them is Canada. We are possibly at the second level where we have basic transactional capabilities - can download a form, can file tax returns online, can query a database to check the status of your passport application etc. Now, to move to the next level, we need to plan and put strategies in place. Evaluate what we have done, where we are at, revisit our priorities and set new goals. This is a that you will see over and over again. So e-Gov is not something you switch on, its a process that builds on existing blocks incrementally. Whether we use these strategies we develop and review is a totally different thing. But its critical to plan and strategise. As they say, failure to plan is planning to fail. My apologies for such a long post, but I felt obliged because e-Gov is a subject that is very close to my heart and I hope this helps. Corrections and additions are all welcome I suspect this is worth a bob, ama walu? Kindest regards Harry On 3/27/10 7:43 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis
My thoughts
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/funonthenet/> What is Confidence?? A hypothetical situation where 20 CEOs board an airplane and are told that the flight that they are about to take is the first-ever to feature pilotless technology: It is an uncrewed aircraft. Each one of the CEOs is then told, privately, that their company's software is running the aircraft's automatic pilot system. Nineteen of the CEOs promptly leave the aircraft, each offering a different type of excuse. One CEO alone remains on board the jet, seeming very calm indeed. Asked why he is so confident in this first uncrewed flight, he replies : "If it is the same software that is developed by my company's IT systems department, this plane won't even take off." !!!! That is called Confidence!!
right on the spot Harry (the Hare ;-)), infrastructure(cables, comps, networks, s/ware, bandwidth etc) is often the easy part. There's a complex bit we sometimes call Layer8 or Peopleware. You cant change the way people think overnite - even if you provided them the pre-requisite policy, legal and other frameworks, one must still fight that inertia (comfort zone) you and i have that makes it difficult to adopt new ways of thinking, working. for .KE government, the biggest hurdle towards egovernment is really the turf wars I alluded to (Harry Delano, now am interprating), You will find resistance to building single databases/shared services fought tooth and nail because that means one dept/ministry or agency has to ceed power and assosciated privileges(rent?) to another... walu. --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote: From: Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> Subject: Re: [kictanet] E-Government is it a myth or a reality? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:26 AM Hello Barrack, I see and hear your concerns, however, this animal called e-Government can be very complex and allow me to share some little knowledge I have after more than 10 years of e-Gov consulting. Warning: This will be a bit long. First and fore most we have to understand that e-Gov is delivery of public services through the use of ICT infrastructure. This means e-Gov is *not* ICT infrastructure but part of the delivery and facilitation mechanism. If we agree on this, then the networks that you refer to (I think this is the Government Core Network (GCN)) has set the stage for e-Gov service delivery but it is not a service as-is. This means there is a another level that needs to be worked on, and that is the services portfolio. This has already started albeit in a very uncoordinated manner. KRA seems to be leading the fray - PIN, VAT application, Online tax returns etc. Due to poor or lack of coordination, each Ministry seems to be working on their own programmes and projects (I have talked about this before) and I can tell you this does not bring the benefits of e-Gov - efficiency, accuracy and cost savings. A case in point is the myriad of databases across government agencies. Almost each ministry *owns* its own database with a lot of redundant information that each ministry keeps on collecting from you. Under the shared services model, application and data re-use can be made possible. Where Govt can shared core applications and databases. You will be surprised the amount of errors that are introduced to records every time an new form is filled. So just reducing the number of times you fill a form at each ministry greatly improves the accuracy of Govt records. So, shared services model is best practice in e-Gov. Now, about strategies and strategy meetings. E-Gov is a change process. Its about change, changing the way people work, changing the processes and re-engineering these process to be supported by an ICT infrastructure. Change at any level is not easy and at government level is unthinkable! Let me illustrate. All e-Gov services have to be backed by law and there are legal requirements for every government service you receive. Some laws have come into effect that support the roll out of e-Gov services but many are yet to be enacted. Consider the issue of contracts. When is a contract valid? In most cases there are specific requirements of form designed to protect interests or persons. So you see that contracts may in some cases be considered valid only when executed in their physical form. That's why you have to make a physical application and sign it when applying for your passport. So, for you to apply for the same passport online, some laws have to be amended to allow for such provisions. The UN or InfoDev, not sure which one, identified 5 e-Gov maturity levels from basic online presence to what they refer to a Connected Government. All these stages are incremental and have increased benefits to the citizens as you move up the ladder. Connected Government is ideal level and very few countries globally are there yet. One of them is Canada. We are possibly at the second level where we have basic transactional capabilities - can download a form, can file tax returns online, can query a database to check the status of your passport application etc. Now, to move to the next level, we need to plan and put strategies in place. Evaluate what we have done, where we are at, revisit our priorities and set new goals. This is a that you will see over and over again. So e-Gov is not something you switch on, its a process that builds on existing blocks incrementally. Whether we use these strategies we develop and review is a totally different thing. But its critical to plan and strategise. As they say, failure to plan is planning to fail. My apologies for such a long post, but I felt obliged because e-Gov is a subject that is very close to my heart and I hope this helps. Corrections and additions are all welcome I suspect this is worth a bob, ama walu? Kindest regards Harry On 3/27/10 7:43 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis
My thoughts
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Hi Walu, While you may be right about the potential for stiff resistance to single database/shared services across Govt agencies, one cannot downplay the national security implications of the current, disparate, "silo-tic" system that pervaded gov'ts acquisition, retention and control of esp citizen data. We need to envision a day when the thug who sprains his ankle while playing soccer with his co-thugs will get arrested when he goes for treatment at the local clinic, simply because his ID# or biometric data trigger a red flag that alerts the local police station and displays his past misdemeanours, some of which might have him on a "wanted" list. Regards, Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
right on the spot Harry (the Hare ;-)),
infrastructure(cables, comps, networks, s/ware, bandwidth etc) is often the easy part. There's a complex bit we sometimes call Layer8 or Peopleware. You cant change the way people think overnite - even if you provided them the pre-requisite policy, legal and other frameworks, one must still fight that inertia (comfort zone) you and i have that makes it difficult to adopt new ways of thinking, working.
for .KE government, the biggest hurdle towards egovernment is really the turf wars I alluded to (Harry Delano, now am interprating), You will find resistance to building single databases/shared services fought tooth and nail because that means one dept/ministry or agency has to ceed power and assosciated privileges(rent?) to another...
walu.
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote:
From: Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> Subject: Re: [kictanet] E-Government is it a myth or a reality? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:26 AM
Hello Barrack,
I see and hear your concerns, however, this animal called e- Government can be very complex and allow me to share some little knowledge I have after more than 10 years of e-Gov consulting. Warning: This will be a bit long.
First and fore most we have to understand that e-Gov is delivery of public services through the use of ICT infrastructure. This means e-Gov is *not* ICT infrastructure but part of the delivery and facilitation mechanism. If we agree on this, then the networks that you refer to (I think this is the Government Core Network (GCN)) has set the stage for e-Gov service delivery but it is not a service as-is.
This means there is a another level that needs to be worked on, and that is the services portfolio. This has already started albeit in a very uncoordinated manner. KRA seems to be leading the fray - PIN, VAT application, Online tax returns etc. Due to poor or lack of coordination, each Ministry seems to be working on their own programmes and projects (I have talked about this before) and I can tell you this does not bring the benefits of e-Gov - efficiency, accuracy and cost savings.
A case in point is the myriad of databases across government agencies. Almost each ministry *owns* its own database with a lot of redundant information that each ministry keeps on collecting from you. Under the shared services model, application and data re-use can be made possible. Where Govt can shared core applications and databases. You will be surprised the amount of errors that are introduced to records every time an new form is filled. So just reducing the number of times you fill a form at each ministry greatly improves the accuracy of Govt records. So, shared services model is best practice in e-Gov.
Now, about strategies and strategy meetings. E-Gov is a change process. Its about change, changing the way people work, changing the processes and re-engineering these process to be supported by an ICT infrastructure. Change at any level is not easy and at government level is unthinkable!
Let me illustrate. All e-Gov services have to be backed by law and there are legal requirements for every government service you receive. Some laws have come into effect that support the roll out of e-Gov services but many are yet to be enacted. Consider the issue of contracts. When is a contract valid? In most cases there are specific requirements of form designed to protect interests or persons. So you see that contracts may in some cases be considered valid only when executed in their physical form. That's why you have to make a physical application and sign it when applying for your passport. So, for you to apply for the same passport online, some laws have to be amended to allow for such provisions.
The UN or InfoDev, not sure which one, identified 5 e-Gov maturity levels from basic online presence to what they refer to a Connected Government. All these stages are incremental and have increased benefits to the citizens as you move up the ladder. Connected Government is ideal level and very few countries globally are there yet. One of them is Canada. We are possibly at the second level where we have basic transactional capabilities - can download a form, can file tax returns online, can query a database to check the status of your passport application etc.
Now, to move to the next level, we need to plan and put strategies in place. Evaluate what we have done, where we are at, revisit our priorities and set new goals. This is a that you will see over and over again. So e-Gov is not something you switch on, its a process that builds on existing blocks incrementally.
Whether we use these strategies we develop and review is a totally different thing. But its critical to plan and strategise. As they say, failure to plan is planning to fail.
My apologies for such a long post, but I felt obliged because e-Gov is a subject that is very close to my heart and I hope this helps. Corrections and additions are all welcome
I suspect this is worth a bob, ama walu?
Kindest regards Harry
On 3/27/10 7:43 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis
My thoughts
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Hey Wals, Now, I gain some understanding. In that case, then what do we need changed....? Harry Hare, mentioned legislation/law... Is that where we need to begin? If so, I suppose let's pick up all the relevant areas that need improvement, and lobby for the right piece of legislation to be put in place, and overhaul the way we do things.. Change, must be initiated. The agenda that is important to move things forward cannot be held hostage by a handful of turf wars and other self seeking interests. Nation first, self second.. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 3:51 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] E-Government is it a myth or a reality? right on the spot Harry (the Hare ;-)), infrastructure(cables, comps, networks, s/ware, bandwidth etc) is often the easy part. There's a complex bit we sometimes call Layer8 or Peopleware. You cant change the way people think overnite - even if you provided them the pre-requisite policy, legal and other frameworks, one must still fight that inertia (comfort zone) you and i have that makes it difficult to adopt new ways of thinking, working. for .KE government, the biggest hurdle towards egovernment is really the turf wars I alluded to (Harry Delano, now am interprating), You will find resistance to building single databases/shared services fought tooth and nail because that means one dept/ministry or agency has to ceed power and assosciated privileges(rent?) to another... walu. --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote: From: Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> Subject: Re: [kictanet] E-Government is it a myth or a reality? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:26 AM Hello Barrack, I see and hear your concerns, however, this animal called e-Government can be very complex and allow me to share some little knowledge I have after more than 10 years of e-Gov consulting. Warning: This will be a bit long. First and fore most we have to understand that e-Gov is delivery of public services through the use of ICT infrastructure. This means e-Gov is *not* ICT infrastructure but part of the delivery and facilitation mechanism. If we agree on this, then the networks that you refer to (I think this is the Government Core Network (GCN)) has set the stage for e-Gov service delivery but it is not a service as-is. This means there is a another level that needs to be worked on, and that is the services portfolio. This has already started albeit in a very uncoordinated manner. KRA seems to be leading the fray - PIN, VAT application, Online tax returns etc. Due to poor or lack of coordination, each Ministry seems to be working on their own programmes and projects (I have talked about this before) and I can tell you this does not bring the benefits of e-Gov - efficiency, accuracy and cost savings. A case in point is the myriad of databases across government agencies. Almost each ministry *owns* its own database with a lot of redundant information that each ministry keeps on collecting from you. Under the shared services model, application and data re-use can be made possible. Where Govt can shared core applications and databases. You will be surprised the amount of errors that are introduced to records every time an new form is filled. So just reducing the number of times you fill a form at each ministry greatly improves the accuracy of Govt records. So, shared services model is best practice in e-Gov. Now, about strategies and strategy meetings. E-Gov is a change process. Its about change, changing the way people work, changing the processes and re-engineering these process to be supported by an ICT infrastructure. Change at any level is not easy and at government level is unthinkable! Let me illustrate. All e-Gov services have to be backed by law and there are legal requirements for every government service you receive. Some laws have come into effect that support the roll out of e-Gov services but many are yet to be enacted. Consider the issue of contracts. When is a contract valid? In most cases there are specific requirements of form designed to protect interests or persons. So you see that contracts may in some cases be considered valid only when executed in their physical form. That's why you have to make a physical application and sign it when applying for your passport. So, for you to apply for the same passport online, some laws have to be amended to allow for such provisions. The UN or InfoDev, not sure which one, identified 5 e-Gov maturity levels from basic online presence to what they refer to a Connected Government. All these stages are incremental and have increased benefits to the citizens as you move up the ladder. Connected Government is ideal level and very few countries globally are there yet. One of them is Canada. We are possibly at the second level where we have basic transactional capabilities - can download a form, can file tax returns online, can query a database to check the status of your passport application etc. Now, to move to the next level, we need to plan and put strategies in place. Evaluate what we have done, where we are at, revisit our priorities and set new goals. This is a that you will see over and over again. So e-Gov is not something you switch on, its a process that builds on existing blocks incrementally. Whether we use these strategies we develop and review is a totally different thing. But its critical to plan and strategise. As they say, failure to plan is planning to fail. My apologies for such a long post, but I felt obliged because e-Gov is a subject that is very close to my heart and I hope this helps. Corrections and additions are all welcome I suspect this is worth a bob, ama walu? Kindest regards Harry On 3/27/10 7:43 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com <http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com> > wrote:
Listers,
I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis
My thoughts
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Thanks Harry Harre for the great post, Walu mentioned "People ware", this is the greatest impediment to e-government, unless we handle this issue properly we might keep going in circles, we need a radical paradigm shift otherwise "the spirit of Africa will prevail" Lethargy the many databases and silos are basically "Projects" funded by donors, may i propose that all donors financing ICT projects go through a single governmnet agency instead of dealing with Ministries directly? Regards On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Hey Wals,
Now, I gain some understanding. In that case, then what do we need changed....? Harry Hare, mentioned legislation/law...
Is that where we need to begin? If so, I suppose let's pick up all the relevant areas that need improvement, and lobby for the right piece of legislation to be put in place, and overhaul the way we do things..
Change, must be initiated. The agenda that is important to move things forward cannot be held hostage by a handful of turf wars and other self seeking interests. Nation first, self second..
Harry
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right on the spot Harry (the Hare ;-)),
infrastructure(cables, comps, networks, s/ware, bandwidth etc) is often the easy part. There's a complex bit we sometimes call Layer8 or Peopleware. You cant change the way people think overnite - even if you provided them the pre-requisite policy, legal and other frameworks, one must still fight that inertia (comfort zone) you and i have that makes it difficult to adopt new ways of thinking, working.
for .KE government, the biggest hurdle towards egovernment is really the turf wars I alluded to (Harry Delano, now am interprating), You will find resistance to building single databases/shared services fought tooth and nail because that means one dept/ministry or agency has to ceed power and assosciated privileges(rent?) to another...
walu.
--- On *Mon, 3/29/10, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org>* wrote:
From: Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> Subject: Re: [kictanet] E-Government is it a myth or a reality? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:26 AM
Hello Barrack,
I see and hear your concerns, however, this animal called e-Government can be very complex and allow me to share some little knowledge I have after more than 10 years of e-Gov consulting. Warning: This will be a bit long.
First and fore most we have to understand that e-Gov is delivery of public services through the use of ICT infrastructure. This means e-Gov is *not* ICT infrastructure but part of the delivery and facilitation mechanism. If we agree on this, then the networks that you refer to (I think this is the Government Core Network (GCN)) has set the stage for e-Gov service delivery but it is not a service as-is.
This means there is a another level that needs to be worked on, and that is the services portfolio. This has already started albeit in a very uncoordinated manner. KRA seems to be leading the fray - PIN, VAT application, Online tax returns etc. Due to poor or lack of coordination, each Ministry seems to be working on their own programmes and projects (I have talked about this before) and I can tell you this does not bring the benefits of e-Gov - efficiency, accuracy and cost savings.
A case in point is the myriad of databases across government agencies. Almost each ministry *owns* its own database with a lot of redundant information that each ministry keeps on collecting from you. Under the shared services model, application and data re-use can be made possible. Where Govt can shared core applications and databases. You will be surprised the amount of errors that are introduced to records every time an new form is filled. So just reducing the number of times you fill a form at each ministry greatly improves the accuracy of Govt records. So, shared services model is best practice in e-Gov.
Now, about strategies and strategy meetings. E-Gov is a change process. Its about change, changing the way people work, changing the processes and re-engineering these process to be supported by an ICT infrastructure. Change at any level is not easy and at government level is unthinkable!
Let me illustrate. All e-Gov services have to be backed by law and there are legal requirements for every government service you receive. Some laws have come into effect that support the roll out of e-Gov services but many are yet to be enacted. Consider the issue of contracts. When is a contract valid? In most cases there are specific requirements of form designed to protect interests or persons. So you see that contracts may in some cases be considered valid only when executed in their physical form. That's why you have to make a physical application and sign it when applying for your passport. So, for you to apply for the same passport online, some laws have to be amended to allow for such provisions.
The UN or InfoDev, not sure which one, identified 5 e-Gov maturity levels from basic online presence to what they refer to a Connected Government. All these stages are incremental and have increased benefits to the citizens as you move up the ladder. Connected Government is ideal level and very few countries globally are there yet. One of them is Canada. We are possibly at the second level where we have basic transactional capabilities - can download a form, can file tax returns online, can query a database to check the status of your passport application etc.
Now, to move to the next level, we need to plan and put strategies in place. Evaluate what we have done, where we are at, revisit our priorities and set new goals. This is a that you will see over and over again. So e-Gov is not something you switch on, its a process that builds on existing blocks incrementally.
Whether we use these strategies we develop and review is a totally different thing. But its critical to plan and strategise. As they say, failure to plan is planning to fail.
My apologies for such a long post, but I felt obliged because e-Gov is a subject that is very close to my heart and I hope this helps. Corrections and additions are all welcome
I suspect this is worth a bob, ama walu?
Kindest regards Harry
On 3/27/10 7:43 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote:
Listers,
I have been following discussions on this list that seem to be touching on the above mentioned subject. We seem to be spending large sums on meetings strategizing and restrategizing however are we really making any headway? at this point in time we are still required to "fill in some forms" whenever we seek government services is this e-government? we are now talking about shared services i thought e-government implemented a project that networked most government offices, however you have to travel physically to offices to get services, at times we confuse the public with ICT jargon what the public needs is efficiency and effectiveness in service provision. ICT4D on the other hand has been infiltrated by commercial interests, i wonder what should prevail when "commercial" and "public" interests meet, probably we should spend more money on change management, capacity building and awareness campaigns as opposed to this "strategy meetings" which will only lead to analysis paralysis
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