Is our ICT GDP growth unable to match national GDP growth?
Dear Listers, One would expect ICT to be the fastest growing economic sector in Kenya. Incidentally its not. In fact there's a declining trend; according to the rebased national accounts data of 2014 - see visualization attached. The absolute ICT GDP figures have grown modestly from KES 50 billion in 2006 to KES 68 billion in 2013, and quite dismally when compared to national GDP which grew from KES 1.8 trillion to KES 4.7 trillion over the same period. Granted researchers suggest that much of the positive impact of ICT is felt indirectly in other economic sectors, are we seeing a suboptimal growth of ICT's direct contributors to GDP over the years? What do pundits here think? br -- My Blog - gmeltdown.com <http://www.gmeltdown.com> ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' The ordinary just won't do
John, No doubt, the usual vices have kept ICT from growing as it should in Kenya. After being subcontracted by some kickback experts, last year a young technologist/entrepreneur got in the game for government contracts. He has won the approval of some public officers but has lost the respect/trust of decent technologists ): For the Tenderprenuers who dominate our industry, the money is in tender awards, in hardware supplies and software licensing, not in building/providing services which improve the lives of Kenyans. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:15 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers,
One would expect ICT to be the fastest growing economic sector in Kenya. Incidentally its not. In fact there's a declining trend; according to the rebased national accounts data of 2014 - see visualization attached. The absolute ICT GDP figures have grown modestly from KES 50 billion in 2006 to KES 68 billion in 2013, and quite dismally when compared to national GDP which grew from KES 1.8 trillion to KES 4.7 trillion over the same period.
Granted researchers suggest that much of the positive impact of ICT is felt indirectly in other economic sectors, are we seeing a suboptimal growth of ICT's direct contributors to GDP over the years?
What do pundits here think?
br
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@Kieti, I am interested in this type of data. Plse share the actual url for your data. The search tool on the general KBNS website @ http://www.knbs.or.ke/ is not returning what the specific data/chart. @Muraya You sound like you have given up on the ICT sector...plse dont. Bado mapambano, mapambano, mapambanooo... :-) walu. From: S.M. Muraya via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is our ICT GDP growth unable to match national GDP growth? John, No doubt, the usual vices have kept ICT from growing as it should in Kenya. After being subcontracted by some kickback experts, last year a young technologist/entrepreneur got in the game for government contracts. He has won the approval of some public officers but has lost the respect/trust of decent technologists ): For the Tenderprenuers who dominate our industry, the money is in tender awards, in hardware supplies and software licensing, not in building/providing services which improve the lives of Kenyans. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya "Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:15 PM, John Kieti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Listers, One would expect ICT to be the fastest growing economic sector in Kenya. Incidentally its not. In fact there's a declining trend; according to the rebased national accounts data of 2014 - see visualization attached. The absolute ICT GDP figures have grown modestly from KES 50 billion in 2006 to KES 68 billion in 2013, and quite dismally when compared to national GDP which grew from KES 1.8 trillion to KES 4.7 trillion over the same period. Granted researchers suggest that much of the positive impact of ICT is felt indirectly in other economic sectors, are we seeing a suboptimal growth of ICT's direct contributors to GDP over the years? What do pundits here think? br -- My Blog - gmeltdown.com'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''The ordinary just won't do _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@Walu I have not given up on the ICT sector. Some years ago, I purposed to address issues future generations should not have to address. Starting this year, we will be running a few workshops to expose some decent technologists. It is not right for straightforward people to remain in the shadows of those who break the law. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kieti,
I am interested in this type of data. Plse share the actual url for your data. The search tool on the general KBNS website @ http://www.knbs.or.ke/ is not returning what the specific data/chart.
@Muraya
You sound like you have given up on the ICT sector...plse dont. Bado mapambano, mapambano, mapambanooo... :-)
walu. ------------------------------ *From:* S.M. Muraya via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:56 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Is our ICT GDP growth unable to match national GDP growth?
John,
No doubt, the usual vices have kept ICT from growing as it should in Kenya.
After being subcontracted by some kickback experts, last year a young technologist/entrepreneur got in the game for government contracts. He has won the approval of some public officers but has lost the respect/trust of decent technologists ): For the Tenderprenuers who dominate our industry, the money is in tender awards, in hardware supplies and software licensing, not in building/providing services which improve the lives of Kenyans.
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:15 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers,
One would expect ICT to be the fastest growing economic sector in Kenya. Incidentally its not. In fact there's a declining trend; according to the rebased national accounts data of 2014 - see visualization attached. The absolute ICT GDP figures have grown modestly from KES 50 billion in 2006 to KES 68 billion in 2013, and quite dismally when compared to national GDP which grew from KES 1.8 trillion to KES 4.7 trillion over the same period.
Granted researchers suggest that much of the positive impact of ICT is felt indirectly in other economic sectors, are we seeing a suboptimal growth of ICT's direct contributors to GDP over the years?
What do pundits here think?
br
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+2048 Regards From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of S.M. Muraya via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:27 AM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is our ICT GDP growth unable to match national GDP growth? @Walu I have not given up on the ICT sector. Some years ago, I purposed to address issues future generations should not have to address. Starting this year, we will be running a few workshops to expose some decent technologists. It is not right for straightforward people to remain in the shadows of those who break the law. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya "Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Kieti, I am interested in this type of data. Plse share the actual url for your data. The search tool on the general KBNS website @ http://www.knbs.or.ke/ is not returning what the specific data/chart. @Muraya You sound like you have given up on the ICT sector...plse dont. Bado mapambano, mapambano, mapambanooo... :-) walu. _____ From: S.M. Muraya via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is our ICT GDP growth unable to match national GDP growth? John, No doubt, the usual vices have kept ICT from growing as it should in Kenya. After being subcontracted by some kickback experts, last year a young technologist/entrepreneur got in the game for government contracts. He has won the approval of some public officers but has lost the respect/trust of decent technologists ): For the Tenderprenuers who dominate our industry, the money is in tender awards, in hardware supplies and software licensing, not in building/providing services which improve the lives of Kenyans. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya "Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:15 PM, John Kieti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear Listers, One would expect ICT to be the fastest growing economic sector in Kenya. Incidentally its not. In fact there's a declining trend; according to the rebased national accounts data of 2014 - see visualization attached. The absolute ICT GDP figures have grown modestly from KES 50 billion in 2006 to KES 68 billion in 2013, and quite dismally when compared to national GDP which grew from KES 1.8 trillion to KES 4.7 trillion over the same period. Granted researchers suggest that much of the positive impact of ICT is felt indirectly in other economic sectors, are we seeing a suboptimal growth of ICT's direct contributors to GDP over the years? What do pundits here think? br -- My Blog - gmeltdown.com <http://www.gmeltdown.com/> ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' The ordinary just won't do _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
What is measured when factoring the contributions? Might one of the issues be the return of a sizeable grey market due to impact of taxes? Some of the manufacturers have even resorted to applying warranty to grey market devices after it dawned on them many of their devices are being dealt out of channel. On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:29 Eugene Lidede (Synergy) via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
+2048
Regards
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene= synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *S.M. Muraya via kictanet *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:27 AM *To:* Eugene Lidede *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Is our ICT GDP growth unable to match national GDP growth?
@Walu I have not given up on the ICT sector.
Some years ago, I purposed to address issues future generations should not have to address.
Starting this year, we will be running a few workshops to expose some decent technologists.
It is not right for straightforward people to remain in the shadows of those who break the law.
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kieti,
I am interested in this type of data. Plse share the actual url for your data. The search tool on the general KBNS website @ http://www.knbs.or.ke/ is not returning what the specific data/chart.
@Muraya
You sound like you have given up on the ICT sector...plse dont. Bado mapambano, mapambano, mapambanooo... :-)
walu. ------------------------------
*From:* S.M. Muraya via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:56 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Is our ICT GDP growth unable to match national GDP growth?
John,
No doubt, the usual vices have kept ICT from growing as it should in Kenya.
After being subcontracted by some kickback experts, last year a young technologist/entrepreneur got in the game for government contracts. He has won the approval of some public officers but has lost the respect/trust of decent technologists ): For the Tenderprenuers who dominate our industry, the money is in tender awards, in hardware supplies and software licensing, not in building/providing services which improve the lives of Kenyans.
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:15 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Listers,
One would expect ICT to be the fastest growing economic sector in Kenya. Incidentally its not. In fact there's a declining trend; according to the rebased national accounts data of 2014 - see visualization attached. The absolute ICT GDP figures have grown modestly from KES 50 billion in 2006 to KES 68 billion in 2013, and quite dismally when compared to national GDP which grew from KES 1.8 trillion to KES 4.7 trillion over the same period.
Granted researchers suggest that much of the positive impact of ICT is felt indirectly in other economic sectors, are we seeing a suboptimal growth of ICT's direct contributors to GDP over the years?
What do pundits here think?
br
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Hello Listers, @Dennis items measured for ICT GDP should include :- 1. ICT Manufacturing eg PCs and peripherals, cables etc 2. ICT Services eg software publishing, systems design, hosting, Telcos etc 3. ICT wholesaling eg. of PCs, laptops, phones etc Couldn't get the Kenyan sub-sector breakdown but you could have a look at this one for Canada http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ict-tic.nsf/eng/h_it05864.html @Walu -The GDP by activity data is hidden in page 11 and 12 of this document http://knbs.or.ke/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=604:information-on-the-revised-national-accounts&id=17:gross-domestic-product&Itemid=597 - Don't you wish that such numbers could be more friendly available on the opendata.go.ke portal? On a more consolational note, The new ICT GDP numbers and trends look better when you keep the estimates at constant 2009 prices. In this case the ICT GDP for 2013 becomes 122billion against a downgraded 3.6trillion national GDP. This is different compared to the estimates for 2013 based on current prices at 68billion ICT GDP against 4.7trillion. Attached is the two updated graphs - one with estimates based on current prices and another one with estimates based on 2009 prices. That ICT GDP estimate for 2013 using *2009 prices* is almost double of *current prices* estimate for 2013 is kind of baffling. @Osiakwan, Perhaps we should look deeper into the direct contributions and become proactive about growing the contribution - otherwise we remain a secondary economic sector. Consider that the Finance and Insurance sector which is considered a support service directly contributes a clean 6.6% to national GDP (current prices) Trusting works like those of Muraya and many others will yield into real contributions to the numbers. Best regards
Sorry Listers, just resending the graphs, including one with estimates based on 2009 prices. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:45 AM, John Kieti <jkieti@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Listers,
@Dennis items measured for ICT GDP should include :-
1. ICT Manufacturing eg PCs and peripherals, cables etc 2. ICT Services eg software publishing, systems design, hosting, Telcos etc 3. ICT wholesaling eg. of PCs, laptops, phones etc
Couldn't get the Kenyan sub-sector breakdown but you could have a look at this one for Canada http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ict-tic.nsf/eng/h_it05864.html
@Walu -The GDP by activity data is hidden in page 11 and 12 of this document http://knbs.or.ke/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=604:information-on-the-revised-national-accounts&id=17:gross-domestic-product&Itemid=597 - Don't you wish that such numbers could be more friendly available on the opendata.go.ke portal?
On a more consolational note, The new ICT GDP numbers and trends look better when you keep the estimates at constant 2009 prices. In this case the ICT GDP for 2013 becomes 122billion against a downgraded 3.6trillion national GDP. This is different compared to the estimates for 2013 based on current prices at 68billion ICT GDP against 4.7trillion. Attached is the two updated graphs - one with estimates based on current prices and another one with estimates based on 2009 prices. That ICT GDP estimate for 2013 using *2009 prices* is almost double of *current prices* estimate for 2013 is kind of baffling.
@Osiakwan, Perhaps we should look deeper into the direct contributions and become proactive about growing the contribution - otherwise we remain a secondary economic sector. Consider that the Finance and Insurance sector which is considered a support service directly contributes a clean 6.6% to national GDP (current prices)
Trusting works like those of Muraya and many others will yield into real contributions to the numbers.
Best regards
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John, If comments by PS Ndemo in 2012, are accurate, it is folly for the national government not to spend (per annum) at least KES 50B on digitization (which includes IT infrastructure, appliances, applications/automation)... http://www.cio.co.ke/news/main-stories/kenya-information-ps-advises-govt-to-... Digitisation of government is one of the strategic pillars of the National ICT Master Plan. The PS said digitisation of the lands registry had seen revenue collected rise from Ksh. 800 million to Ksh. 9 billion. The PS added that digitisation around the country stood to make the country more than Ksh. 200 billion in additional revenue. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:45 AM, John Kieti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
@Dennis items measured for ICT GDP should include :-
1. ICT Manufacturing eg PCs and peripherals, cables etc 2. ICT Services eg software publishing, systems design, hosting, Telcos etc 3. ICT wholesaling eg. of PCs, laptops, phones etc
Couldn't get the Kenyan sub-sector breakdown but you could have a look at this one for Canada http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ict-tic.nsf/eng/h_it05864.html
@Walu -The GDP by activity data is hidden in page 11 and 12 of this document http://knbs.or.ke/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=604:information-on-the-revised-national-accounts&id=17:gross-domestic-product&Itemid=597 - Don't you wish that such numbers could be more friendly available on the opendata.go.ke portal?
On a more consolational note, The new ICT GDP numbers and trends look better when you keep the estimates at constant 2009 prices. In this case the ICT GDP for 2013 becomes 122billion against a downgraded 3.6trillion national GDP. This is different compared to the estimates for 2013 based on current prices at 68billion ICT GDP against 4.7trillion. Attached is the two updated graphs - one with estimates based on current prices and another one with estimates based on 2009 prices. That ICT GDP estimate for 2013 using *2009 prices* is almost double of *current prices* estimate for 2013 is kind of baffling.
@Osiakwan, Perhaps we should look deeper into the direct contributions and become proactive about growing the contribution - otherwise we remain a secondary economic sector. Consider that the Finance and Insurance sector which is considered a support service directly contributes a clean 6.6% to national GDP (current prices)
Trusting works like those of Muraya and many others will yield into real contributions to the numbers.
Best regards
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participants (5)
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Dennis Kioko -
Eugene Lidede (Synergy) -
John Kieti -
S.M. Muraya -
Walubengo J