fyi From: nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com [mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 10:24 AM To: nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [kictanet] [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy Interesting article. What it failed to mention was how successful those other bodies are at advocating for their respective profession. "Everyone else is doing it" is a bad argument IMHO. __________________________________________ Reuben Cummings Founder & Managing Director, Nerevu Development https://www.linkedin.com/company/nerevu +255 756 477 319 (vodacom) +255 789 477 319 (airtel) +254 703 576 035 (safaricom) +1 (234) 738-2266 (whatsapp) On Jul 5, 2016 11:01 PM, "Evanson Wachira" <evansonwachira@gmail.com <mailto:evansonwachira@gmail.com> > wrote: A likely source of where these ideas might have begun: http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Alex Watila <awatila@gmail.com <mailto:awatila@gmail.com> > wrote: FYI From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bawatila> =yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] On Behalf Of Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 7:28 PM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com <mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy Interesting developments Alex. My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions questions: First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is this Bill? Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation? Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the very good practitioners from the average ones? I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with ever regulating professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource. Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association? Regards, 2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >: FYI -----Original Message----- From: nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com> [mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Tim Schofield Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM To: nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training. Tim On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu@gmail.com <mailto:tony.mzungu@gmail.com> > wrote:

...and *this*:

http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo

mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf

Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing 'training'!!

Phew!!

Tony

On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah@gmail.com <mailto:eebrah@gmail.com> > wrote:

...

Y'all have seen this[1], yes?

[1] http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf

-- Ibrahim

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