TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
What is going on?
On 2/26/12, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
What is going on?
What have you heard? Since you and I are both gmailing, I have to assume that at least one fiber is operational. SEACOM is pretty good about posting outages on their website, but it has no news about any outage today. A trace from earlier today shows my traffic going via Mumbai, which is a SEACOM route. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Orange Kenya through Paris. Speeds last night were not too bad. Same today. Could they be using Lion? http://www.orange-tkl.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=136:france-telecom-orange-signs-agreement-for-new-submarine-cable-in-the-indian-ocean&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=28 On Feb 26, 2012 7:11 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/26/12, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
What is going on?
What have you heard?
Since you and I are both gmailing, I have to assume that at least one fiber is operational.
SEACOM is pretty good about posting outages on their website, but it has no news about any outage today.
A trace from earlier today shows my traffic going via Mumbai, which is a SEACOM route.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Hi listers, Seacom has been operational and carrying traFfic as usual. Mahmoud Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+mahmoods21=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:11:39 To: noor<mahmoods21@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? On 2/26/12, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
What is going on?
What have you heard? Since you and I are both gmailing, I have to assume that at least one fiber is operational. SEACOM is pretty good about posting outages on their website, but it has no news about any outage today. A trace from earlier today shows my traffic going via Mumbai, which is a SEACOM route. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mahmoods21%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days. Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational. Ndemo.
What is going on? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
LION is a cable meant to connect the Oceanic Islands to the Internet, through the cables at Mombasa. I doubt if it has onward connectivity (this is according to the Orange CEO in an interview done for the March issue of CIO East Africa Magazine) On 26 February 2012 19:28, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days.
Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational.
Ndemo.
What is going on? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
bandwidth,
share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmbuvi%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com <http://www.denniskioko.com/>
FYI - Indian Ocean islands (Mauritius) are connected via SAT-3 - the submarine fiber with the most expensive bandwidth (probably in the world) On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
LION is a cable meant to connect the Oceanic Islands to the Internet, through the cables at Mombasa. I doubt if it has onward connectivity (this is according to the Orange CEO in an interview done for the March issue of CIO East Africa Magazine)
On 26 February 2012 19:28, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days.
Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational.
Ndemo.
What is going on? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmbuvi%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- with Regards:
blog.denniskioko.com
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
CCK Ag DG should confirm the operating condition of TEAMS/EASY/SEACOM/LION optical cables all terminating at Mombasa. He should also confirm whether there is an operating agreement with the KPA authorities (ie the MD) that all shipping vessels that dock in KPA berthing facilities in Mombasa shall NOT interfere with any of these fibre cables. Philip Okund Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
LION is a cable meant to connect the Oceanic Islands to the Internet, through the cables at Mombasa. I doubt if it has onward connectivity (this is according to the Orange CEO in an interview done for the March issue of CIO East Africa Magazine)
On 26 February 2012 19:28, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days.
Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational.
Ndemo.
What is going on? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmbuvi%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- with Regards:
blog.denniskioko.com
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/philip.okundi%40gmail.c...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
The ship dropped anchor. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Philip Okundi <philip.okundi@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 27 February 2012, 17:22 Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? CCK Ag DG should confirm the operating condition of TEAMS/EASY/SEACOM/LION optical cables all terminating at Mombasa. He should also confirm whether there is an operating agreement with the KPA authorities (ie the MD) that all shipping vessels that dock in KPA berthing facilities in Mombasa shall NOT interfere with any of these fibre cables. Philip Okund Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: LION is a cable meant to connect the Oceanic Islands to the Internet, through the cables at Mombasa. I doubt if it has onward connectivity (this is according to the Orange CEO in an interview done for the March issue of CIO East Africa Magazine)
On 26 February 2012 19:28, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel
through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days.
Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational.
Ndemo.
What is going on?
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmbuvi%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- with Regards:
blog.denniskioko.com
_______________________________________________
kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/philip.okundi%40gmail.c...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Bwana Daktari, If a ship can do that much damage by docking illegally,would it be safe to assume anyone who wants to 'sabotage' Kenya can do that very easily?We do know that telecommunications infrastructure will play a very big role in our lives over the next few years.How protected are they from accidental or deliberate damages? Kind Regards. On 26 February 2012 19:28, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days.
Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational.
Ndemo.
What is going on? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
bandwidth,
share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mouzmuyer%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Kind Regards, Moses Muya.
Hi all, I thought Teams and EASSY are laid out in a ring topology, my mistake. If this the same ship to cut the cable last time? Regards PS. Due to a ship dropping its anchor on the marine cable Konza City will be offline for the next 7 days, we advice all organisations who are dependent on this connection to give their staff time off. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ----- Original Message ----- From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012, 19:28 Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days. Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational. Ndemo.
What is going on? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Just how much of our international traffic goes through TEAMS? Internet speeds are perceptibly slower and you'd thin with 3 cables, TEAMS, Seacom and Eassy, this reported cut would be a non-issue. Was Eassy affected as well? It lands in the same docking station as TEAMS. Finally, any credibility to some reports that Al Shabaab are behind this? It sounds ridiculous but I'm just asking James On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,
I thought Teams and EASSY are laid out in a ring topology, my mistake. If this the same ship to cut the cable last time?
Regards
PS. Due to a ship dropping its anchor on the marine cable Konza City will be offline for the next 7 days, we advice all organisations who are dependent on this connection to give their staff time off.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012, 19:28 Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days.
Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational.
Ndemo.
What is going on? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
It's the providers that have to take the wrap for this. In this day and age it's incredulous to have a single point of failure. It's just not necessary. Things will fail - plan for it. You can't expect to be taken seriously when a single cable cut takes out most of the country. N.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e [mailto:kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of James Mbugua Sent: 27 February 2012 13:59 To: Nicholas J Dear Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
http://www.seacom.mu/news/article-92/seacom-network-is-not-down/ "The SEACOM network is not experiencing any cable outages or international connectivity disruptions as a result of multiple cable cuts currently affecting other providers and carriers in the Gulf of Aden. SEACOM is committed to assisting affected customers and cable providers with bandwidth options as required to minimize the impact this downtime has on the African Internet." On 2/27/12, Nicholas J Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> wrote:
It's the providers that have to take the wrap for this. In this day and age it's incredulous to have a single point of failure. It's just not necessary.
Well traditionally, cable landing stations are expensive, so they tend to be re-used. This happens fairly often, there is an entire industry that is dedicated to fixing fiber cuts. Perhaps the exclusion zone needs more buoys to signal to maritime traffic where they can and cant go? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
James, Teams, Eassy and Seacom land in the same area. That is why Lion had to locate somewhere. We were to do a terrestrial ring to mitigate against such occurance but that has not been done yet. It will be done since we are becoming more reliant on the fibre optic. The Al Shabaab angle is simply prepostrous to link it that way. Ndemo.
Just how much of our international traffic goes through TEAMS? Internet speeds are perceptibly slower and you'd thin with 3 cables, TEAMS, Seacom and Eassy, this reported cut would be a non-issue.
Was Eassy affected as well? It lands in the same docking station as TEAMS.
Finally, any credibility to some reports that Al Shabaab are behind this? It sounds ridiculous but I'm just asking
James
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,
I thought Teams and EASSY are laid out in a ring topology, my mistake. If this the same ship to cut the cable last time?
Regards
PS. Due to a ship dropping its anchor on the marine cable Konza City will be offline for the next 7 days, we advice all organisations who are dependent on this connection to give their staff time off.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012, 19:28 Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days.
Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational.
Ndemo.
What is going on? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
the Kenyan rumor mill... someone on twitter today was even suggesting that a Nyeri woman is in custody "helping police with the investigations" surrounding the fiber cut.... But on a more serious note, I heard on radio today that repair will take 3 weeks, is that true or is it more like the 7 days mentioned earlier? Regards, Brian On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
James, Teams, Eassy and Seacom land in the same area. That is why Lion had to locate somewhere. We were to do a terrestrial ring to mitigate against such occurance but that has not been done yet. It will be done since we are becoming more reliant on the fibre optic.
The Al Shabaab angle is simply prepostrous to link it that way.
Ndemo.
Just how much of our international traffic goes through TEAMS? Internet speeds are perceptibly slower and you'd thin with 3 cables, TEAMS, Seacom and Eassy, this reported cut would be a non-issue.
Was Eassy affected as well? It lands in the same docking station as TEAMS.
Finally, any credibility to some reports that Al Shabaab are behind this? It sounds ridiculous but I'm just asking
James
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,
I thought Teams and EASSY are laid out in a ring topology, my mistake. If this the same ship to cut the cable last time?
Regards
PS. Due to a ship dropping its anchor on the marine cable Konza City will be offline for the next 7 days, we advice all organisations who are dependent on this connection to give their staff time off.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012, 19:28 Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days.
Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational.
Ndemo.
What is going on? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
Brian TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take three weeks although that may be to avoid over promising. I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired. Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS. Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom. Airtel is routing some traffic through Tanzania and onward to SA. Regards James Mbugua On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
the Kenyan rumor mill... someone on twitter today was even suggesting that a Nyeri woman is in custody "helping police with the investigations" surrounding the fiber cut....
But on a more serious note, I heard on radio today that repair will take 3 weeks, is that true or is it more like the 7 days mentioned earlier?
Regards,
Brian
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
James, Teams, Eassy and Seacom land in the same area. That is why Lion had to locate somewhere. We were to do a terrestrial ring to mitigate against such occurance but that has not been done yet. It will be done since we are becoming more reliant on the fibre optic.
The Al Shabaab angle is simply prepostrous to link it that way.
Ndemo.
Just how much of our international traffic goes through TEAMS? Internet speeds are perceptibly slower and you'd thin with 3 cables, TEAMS, Seacom and Eassy, this reported cut would be a non-issue.
Was Eassy affected as well? It lands in the same docking station as TEAMS.
Finally, any credibility to some reports that Al Shabaab are behind this? It sounds ridiculous but I'm just asking
James
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,
I thought Teams and EASSY are laid out in a ring topology, my mistake. If this the same ship to cut the cable last time?
Regards
PS. Due to a ship dropping its anchor on the marine cable Konza City will be offline for the next 7 days, we advice all organisations who are dependent on this connection to give their staff time off.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012, 19:28 Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Apparently a ship (we have details) illegally anchored on the channel through which the cables pass and cut both. The ports authority have the undersea route but we do not know how they made such a mistake. Teams will be up in 7 days.
Lion landed in a different location to mitigate against such problems. I do not know if Seacom is operational.
Ndemo.
What is going on? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
On 2/28/12 9:06 AM, James Mbugua wrote:
Brian
TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take three weeks although that may be to avoid over promising.
I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired.
Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS.
Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom.
IMHO we need to have a clearer understanding of the bigger picture to set the long term goals and objectives. 1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990’s. 2. We are dependent on a single East-Bound path from "Nairobi - Mombasa - (Mumbai/Fujaira) before going to Europe. This is despite the fact that we have terrestrial capacity from Cape Town to Cairo to provide an North-bound path that would complement the longer path. 3. The BBC article did not mention that, with the Submarine cable cuts the Internet traffic between the East African Countries Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda are most adversely affected. My current tests are showing over 1sec latency from Nairobi to some networks in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda. This is despite the reality that Uganda and Rwanda are largely dependent on the terrestrial cables passing through Kenya onto the cables. 4. South bound Internet traffic (to Southern Africa) has acquires satellite like latencies (higher than 500ms). As a result of the cable cuts. There's more than sufficient capacity terrestrially but we still have to go to Europe before going back South. If we can work towards resolving the above issues with concrete plans and solutions. Its likely that such cable cuts in the future will not cause the level of attention and anxiety that we see are experiencing today. My 2 cents. Regards, Michuki.
+1 Michuki on your good points
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
However, what constitutes this traffic? Is it local content held abroad or is it genuinely content that cannot otherwise be obtained/generated locally. If it is local content held abroad, of which I am convinced it is, what is the best solution pre-2030: more fiber - both under sea and terrestrial, more redundant landing stations, better behaved shipping lines or more capacity and enabling environment for local hosting and local content providers? Considering a typical case where my suppliers are in Kenya, my means of production is in Kenya, my clients are in Kenya with an occasionally client or two from abroad. If I had an extra shilling to spend on my business, what would make more sense, reengineer my offering to attract more international clients or strengthen my local offering? How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK? What ought to be the focus of our policy makers, regulators and licensors: facilitating scenarios as these or formulating ways to reverse such? Are there any benefits of such traffic transactions happening here in Kenya say at KIXP? How much would it cost say Safaricom to host say NMG's suite of websites, even if free of charge, verses how much does it cost them in terms of procured capacity, to deliver NMG bound traffic to the UK? Are there any short/long term benefits? Can both firms and others be given tax incentives to facilitate the above as opposed draining money on software certifications, a duplication of what more tax-payer money is already successfully doing at public universities? -- Growing up in the seventies and eighties was interesting... Across all homes I knew, my friends, my cousins and even the one I grew up in, the best of everything was not for regular use by the "locals". The best cutlery, the best linen, we even had a term "Sunday Best" to describe that one Kaunda suit that could only be worn on Sundays. Chicken was only to be served when there were visitors (read "foreigners"). Back then, things were done more for the benefit of "foreigners" than for the benefit of "locals" - or how do you explain those grandiose wooden chests in the living room with all manner of expensive cutlery on display while "locals" made do with plastic cups and recycled blue-band tins. Fast forward 30 years, and yes only time has "changed". We the lads and lasses growing up in the seventies and eighties are now in our 30s, 40s and 50s and yes, we are policy makers but as you know old habits die hard and so do bad ones. Our preoccupation is on how to better facilitate delivery of traffic abroad for what has been generated locally and is to be consumed within our borders. This we see as good practice: pay for export of our locally produced content and pay some more for its delivery back home unmodified for consumption. We see no problem giving a foreign company most of our government data via opendata because they are more competent than locals in deciphering and analyzing the data on and about the locals Why are we so preoccupied with the international market as though there are no business opportunities for locals? If indeed ICT and ecommerce is the next economic frontier, "naomba sirkal"... Nkt! Regards -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? On 2/28/12 9:06 AM, James Mbugua wrote:
Brian
TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take three weeks although that may be to avoid over promising.
I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired.
Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS.
Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom.
IMHO we need to have a clearer understanding of the bigger picture to set the long term goals and objectives. 1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's. 2. We are dependent on a single East-Bound path from "Nairobi - Mombasa - (Mumbai/Fujaira) before going to Europe. This is despite the fact that we have terrestrial capacity from Cape Town to Cairo to provide an North-bound path that would complement the longer path. 3. The BBC article did not mention that, with the Submarine cable cuts the Internet traffic between the East African Countries Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda are most adversely affected. My current tests are showing over 1sec latency from Nairobi to some networks in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda. This is despite the reality that Uganda and Rwanda are largely dependent on the terrestrial cables passing through Kenya onto the cables. 4. South bound Internet traffic (to Southern Africa) has acquires satellite like latencies (higher than 500ms). As a result of the cable cuts. There's more than sufficient capacity terrestrially but we still have to go to Europe before going back South. If we can work towards resolving the above issues with concrete plans and solutions. It's likely that such cable cuts in the future will not cause the level of attention and anxiety that we see are experiencing today. My 2 cents. Regards, Michuki. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eugene%40synergy.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
This only makes sense if it makes sense to build data centres in Kenya - I don't believe it does. If you look at all the recent major data centre build outs (Apple, Google) - they're either happening where there is enormous amounts of cheap energy, or where it's extremely cold. Kenya doesn't have either of these features and I can't see how it's going to generate large quantities of cheap energy any time soon. N.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e [mailto:kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Eugene Lidede (Synergy) Sent: 28 February 2012 16:55 To: Nicholas J Dear Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? Importance: High
+1 Michuki on your good points
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
However, what constitutes this traffic? Is it local content held abroad or is it genuinely content that cannot otherwise be obtained/generated locally. If it is local content held abroad, of which I am convinced it is, what is the best solution pre-2030: more fiber - both under sea and terrestrial, more redundant landing stations, better behaved shipping lines or more capacity and enabling environment for local hosting and local content providers?
Considering a typical case where my suppliers are in Kenya, my means of production is in Kenya, my clients are in Kenya with an occasionally client or two from abroad. If I had an extra shilling to spend on my business, what would make more sense, reengineer my offering to attract more international clients or strengthen my local offering?
How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK? What ought to be the focus of our policy makers, regulators and licensors: facilitating scenarios as these or formulating ways to reverse such? Are there any benefits of such traffic transactions happening here in Kenya say at KIXP? How much would it cost say Safaricom to host say NMG's suite of websites, even if free of charge, verses how much does it cost them in terms of procured capacity, to deliver NMG bound traffic to the UK? Are there any short/long term benefits? Can both firms and others be given tax incentives to facilitate the above as opposed draining money on software certifications, a duplication of what more tax-payer money is already successfully doing at public universities?
--
Growing up in the seventies and eighties was interesting... Across all homes I knew, my friends, my cousins and even the one I grew up in, the best of everything was not for regular use by the "locals". The best cutlery, the best linen, we even had a term "Sunday Best" to describe that one Kaunda suit that could only be worn on Sundays. Chicken was only to be served when there were visitors (read "foreigners"). Back then, things were done more for the benefit of "foreigners" than for the benefit of "locals" - or how do you explain those grandiose wooden chests in the living room with all manner of expensive cutlery on display while "locals" made do with plastic cups and recycled blue-band tins.
Fast forward 30 years, and yes only time has "changed". We the lads and lasses growing up in the seventies and eighties are now in our 30s, 40s and 50s and yes, we are policy makers but as you know old habits die hard and so do bad ones. Our preoccupation is on how to better facilitate delivery of traffic abroad for what has been generated locally and is to be consumed within our borders. This we see as good practice: pay for export of our locally produced content and pay some more for its delivery back home unmodified for consumption. We see no problem giving a foreign company most of our government data via opendata because they are more competent than locals in deciphering and analyzing the data on and about the locals
Why are we so preoccupied with the international market as though there are no business opportunities for locals?
If indeed ICT and ecommerce is the next economic frontier, "naomba sirkal"... Nkt!
Regards
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Brian
TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take
On 2/28/12 9:06 AM, James Mbugua wrote: three weeks
although that may be to avoid over promising.
I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired.
Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS.
Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom.
IMHO we need to have a clearer understanding of the bigger picture to set the long term goals and objectives.
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
2. We are dependent on a single East-Bound path from "Nairobi - Mombasa - (Mumbai/Fujaira) before going to Europe. This is despite the fact that we have terrestrial capacity from Cape Town to Cairo to provide an North-bound path that would complement the longer path.
3. The BBC article did not mention that, with the Submarine cable cuts the Internet traffic between the East African Countries Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda are most adversely affected. My current tests are showing over 1sec latency from Nairobi to some networks in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda. This is despite the reality that Uganda and Rwanda are largely dependent on the terrestrial cables passing through Kenya onto the cables.
4. South bound Internet traffic (to Southern Africa) has acquires satellite like latencies (higher than 500ms). As a result of the cable cuts. There's more than sufficient capacity terrestrially but we still have to go to Europe before going back South.
If we can work towards resolving the above issues with concrete plans and solutions. It's likely that such cable cuts in the future will not cause the level of attention and anxiety that we see are experiencing today.
My 2 cents.
Regards,
Michuki.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eu gene%40synergy.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nd ear%40sundayafternoon.me.uk
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4836 - Release Date: 02/27/12
Hi Nicholas, I strongly disagree with you on the issue of developing local hosting capacity, the only way we can reduce our reliance on the marine cable and also to give the rest of the world reason to keep us lit is if we have content to offer. Eugene makes a valid point in saying that we are spending hundreds of millions to make round trips on the internet it is essential that we carry out a true cost of connectivity analysis after which I will assure you that we shall still be better off setting up local data centres even with the high electricity costs. The world also needs to look for disaster recovery locations in safe heavens, Egypt might have lower energy costs but as it seems now its status as a safe destination has become questionable what is the worlds alternative if not Kenya with or without its high energy costs? Until recently I wore shoes made by Bata, recently I visited one of their shops to pick a new pair just to realise that it was made in China after which my loyalty weaned and now I will look at other stores that do not have local manufacturing capacity. Safaricom might enjoy the lower costs of hosting MPesa in Germany but when they are forced to route their traffic over expensive satellite connections suddenly the savings do not seem has lucrative. Regards Build local, use local, grow local and be local Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas J Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012, 17:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? This only makes sense if it makes sense to build data centres in Kenya - I don't believe it does. If you look at all the recent major data centre build outs (Apple, Google) - they're either happening where there is enormous amounts of cheap energy, or where it's extremely cold. Kenya doesn't have either of these features and I can't see how it's going to generate large quantities of cheap energy any time soon. N.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e [mailto:kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Eugene Lidede (Synergy) Sent: 28 February 2012 16:55 To: Nicholas J Dear Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? Importance: High
+1 Michuki on your good points
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
However, what constitutes this traffic? Is it local content held abroad or is it genuinely content that cannot otherwise be obtained/generated locally. If it is local content held abroad, of which I am convinced it is, what is the best solution pre-2030: more fiber - both under sea and terrestrial, more redundant landing stations, better behaved shipping lines or more capacity and enabling environment for local hosting and local content providers?
Considering a typical case where my suppliers are in Kenya, my means of production is in Kenya, my clients are in Kenya with an occasionally client or two from abroad. If I had an extra shilling to spend on my business, what would make more sense, reengineer my offering to attract more international clients or strengthen my local offering?
How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK? What ought to be the focus of our policy makers, regulators and licensors: facilitating scenarios as these or formulating ways to reverse such? Are there any benefits of such traffic transactions happening here in Kenya say at KIXP? How much would it cost say Safaricom to host say NMG's suite of websites, even if free of charge, verses how much does it cost them in terms of procured capacity, to deliver NMG bound traffic to the UK? Are there any short/long term benefits? Can both firms and others be given tax incentives to facilitate the above as opposed draining money on software certifications, a duplication of what more tax-payer money is already successfully doing at public universities?
--
Growing up in the seventies and eighties was interesting... Across all homes I knew, my friends, my cousins and even the one I grew up in, the best of everything was not for regular use by the "locals". The best cutlery, the best linen, we even had a term "Sunday Best" to describe that one Kaunda suit that could only be worn on Sundays. Chicken was only to be served when there were visitors (read "foreigners"). Back then, things were done more for the benefit of "foreigners" than for the benefit of "locals" - or how do you explain those grandiose wooden chests in the living room with all manner of expensive cutlery on display while "locals" made do with plastic cups and recycled blue-band tins.
Fast forward 30 years, and yes only time has "changed". We the lads and lasses growing up in the seventies and eighties are now in our 30s, 40s and 50s and yes, we are policy makers but as you know old habits die hard and so do bad ones. Our preoccupation is on how to better facilitate delivery of traffic abroad for what has been generated locally and is to be consumed within our borders. This we see as good practice: pay for export of our locally produced content and pay some more for its delivery back home unmodified for consumption. We see no problem giving a foreign company most of our government data via opendata because they are more competent than locals in deciphering and analyzing the data on and about the locals
Why are we so preoccupied with the international market as though there are no business opportunities for locals?
If indeed ICT and ecommerce is the next economic frontier, "naomba sirkal"... Nkt!
Regards
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Brian
TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take
On 2/28/12 9:06 AM, James Mbugua wrote: three weeks
although that may be to avoid over promising.
I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired.
Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS.
Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom.
IMHO we need to have a clearer understanding of the bigger picture to set the long term goals and objectives.
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
2. We are dependent on a single East-Bound path from "Nairobi - Mombasa - (Mumbai/Fujaira) before going to Europe. This is despite the fact that we have terrestrial capacity from Cape Town to Cairo to provide an North-bound path that would complement the longer path.
3. The BBC article did not mention that, with the Submarine cable cuts the Internet traffic between the East African Countries Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda are most adversely affected. My current tests are showing over 1sec latency from Nairobi to some networks in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda. This is despite the reality that Uganda and Rwanda are largely dependent on the terrestrial cables passing through Kenya onto the cables.
4. South bound Internet traffic (to Southern Africa) has acquires satellite like latencies (higher than 500ms). As a result of the cable cuts. There's more than sufficient capacity terrestrially but we still have to go to Europe before going back South.
If we can work towards resolving the above issues with concrete plans and solutions. It's likely that such cable cuts in the future will not cause the level of attention and anxiety that we see are experiencing today.
My 2 cents.
Regards,
Michuki.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eu gene%40synergy.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nd ear%40sundayafternoon.me.uk
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4836 - Release Date: 02/27/12
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dear Robert, Like it or not Nicholas' point is fundamentally true. Let's go back to Internet 101: You either have eyeballs or you have content. If you have content, the eyeballs will need to get to you so you need to sit your content somewhere accessible, affordable and secure. If you have eyeballs you need to provide them with a means to get to the content or else they will go to someone else who can. The problem with Kenya is not just that our energy is expensive. The biggest problem is that it simply is not enough. Ask Dr. Ndemo or Paul Kukubo what one of the leading questions any content owner asks when they come visiting to find out what all the buzz is about Kenya and whether they should consider putting up here? Yes, you got it - "can you meet our energy needs?" Without a fail in every case the answer is "no". This is an issue that needs to be considered very carefully if we intend to be a serious contender on the global scene. Tried to find online stats about the average energy usage of a Google data centet but apparently these are well kept secrets. But I remember hearing sometime back that a single Google data center uses more energy than the city of Nairobi(sic). Regards, Brian On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:33 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Nicholas,
I strongly disagree with you on the issue of developing local hosting capacity, the only way we can reduce our reliance on the marine cable and also to give the rest of the world reason to keep us lit is if we have content to offer.
Eugene makes a valid point in saying that we are spending hundreds of millions to make round trips on the internet it is essential that we carry out a true cost of connectivity analysis after which I will assure you that we shall still be better off setting up local data centres even with the high electricity costs.
The world also needs to look for disaster recovery locations in safe heavens, Egypt might have lower energy costs but as it seems now its status as a safe destination has become questionable what is the worlds alternative if not Kenya with or without its high energy costs?
Until recently I wore shoes made by Bata, recently I visited one of their shops to pick a new pair just to realise that it was made in China after which my loyalty weaned and now I will look at other stores that do not have local manufacturing capacity.
Safaricom might enjoy the lower costs of hosting MPesa in Germany but when they are forced to route their traffic over expensive satellite connections suddenly the savings do not seem has lucrative.
Regards
Build local, use local, grow local and be local
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas J Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012, 17:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
This only makes sense if it makes sense to build data centres in Kenya - I don't believe it does.
If you look at all the recent major data centre build outs (Apple, Google) - they're either happening where there is enormous amounts of cheap energy, or where it's extremely cold. Kenya doesn't have either of these features and I can't see how it's going to generate large quantities of cheap energy any time soon.
N.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e [mailto:kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Eugene Lidede (Synergy) Sent: 28 February 2012 16:55 To: Nicholas J Dear Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? Importance: High
+1 Michuki on your good points
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
However, what constitutes this traffic? Is it local content held abroad or is it genuinely content that cannot otherwise be obtained/generated locally. If it is local content held abroad, of which I am convinced it is, what is the best solution pre-2030: more fiber - both under sea and terrestrial, more redundant landing stations, better behaved shipping lines or more capacity and enabling environment for local hosting and local content providers?
Considering a typical case where my suppliers are in Kenya, my means of production is in Kenya, my clients are in Kenya with an occasionally client or two from abroad. If I had an extra shilling to spend on my business, what would make more sense, reengineer my offering to attract more international clients or strengthen my local offering?
How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK? What ought to be the focus of our policy makers, regulators and licensors: facilitating scenarios as these or formulating ways to reverse such? Are there any benefits of such traffic transactions happening here in Kenya say at KIXP? How much would it cost say Safaricom to host say NMG's suite of websites, even if free of charge, verses how much does it cost them in terms of procured capacity, to deliver NMG bound traffic to the UK? Are there any short/long term benefits? Can both firms and others be given tax incentives to facilitate the above as opposed draining money on software certifications, a duplication of what more tax-payer money is already successfully doing at public universities?
--
Growing up in the seventies and eighties was interesting... Across all homes I knew, my friends, my cousins and even the one I grew up in, the best of everything was not for regular use by the "locals". The best cutlery, the best linen, we even had a term "Sunday Best" to describe that one Kaunda suit that could only be worn on Sundays. Chicken was only to be served when there were visitors (read "foreigners"). Back then, things were done more for the benefit of "foreigners" than for the benefit of "locals" - or how do you explain those grandiose wooden chests in the living room with all manner of expensive cutlery on display while "locals" made do with plastic cups and recycled blue-band tins.
Fast forward 30 years, and yes only time has "changed". We the lads and lasses growing up in the seventies and eighties are now in our 30s, 40s and 50s and yes, we are policy makers but as you know old habits die hard and so do bad ones. Our preoccupation is on how to better facilitate delivery of traffic abroad for what has been generated locally and is to be consumed within our borders. This we see as good practice: pay for export of our locally produced content and pay some more for its delivery back home unmodified for consumption. We see no problem giving a foreign company most of our government data via opendata because they are more competent than locals in deciphering and analyzing the data on and about the locals
Why are we so preoccupied with the international market as though there are no business opportunities for locals?
If indeed ICT and ecommerce is the next economic frontier, "naomba sirkal"... Nkt!
Regards
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Brian
TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take
On 2/28/12 9:06 AM, James Mbugua wrote: three weeks
although that may be to avoid over promising.
I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired.
Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS.
Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom.
IMHO we need to have a clearer understanding of the bigger picture to set the long term goals and objectives.
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
2. We are dependent on a single East-Bound path from "Nairobi - Mombasa - (Mumbai/Fujaira) before going to Europe. This is despite the fact that we have terrestrial capacity from Cape Town to Cairo to provide an North-bound path that would complement the longer path.
3. The BBC article did not mention that, with the Submarine cable cuts the Internet traffic between the East African Countries Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda are most adversely affected. My current tests are showing over 1sec latency from Nairobi to some networks in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda. This is despite the reality that Uganda and Rwanda are largely dependent on the terrestrial cables passing through Kenya onto the cables.
4. South bound Internet traffic (to Southern Africa) has acquires satellite like latencies (higher than 500ms). As a result of the cable cuts. There's more than sufficient capacity terrestrially but we still have to go to Europe before going back South.
If we can work towards resolving the above issues with concrete plans and solutions. It's likely that such cable cuts in the future will not cause the level of attention and anxiety that we see are experiencing today.
My 2 cents.
Regards,
Michuki.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eu gene%40synergy.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nd ear%40sundayafternoon.me.uk
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4836 - Release Date: 02/27/12
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
I don't like talking to myself because most of the time people make wrong judgements about me ;) but I have to say this... It is interesting to note that the US Govt has a Federal Energy Management Program that among other things maps out data center energy requirements http://www1.eere.energy.gov/femp/program/dc_energy_consumption.html and (presumably) plans suitable interventions in collaboration with industry according to the projected requirements. Regards, Brian On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Robert,
Like it or not Nicholas' point is fundamentally true.
Let's go back to Internet 101: You either have eyeballs or you have content. If you have content, the eyeballs will need to get to you so you need to sit your content somewhere accessible, affordable and secure. If you have eyeballs you need to provide them with a means to get to the content or else they will go to someone else who can.
The problem with Kenya is not just that our energy is expensive. The biggest problem is that it simply is not enough. Ask Dr. Ndemo or Paul Kukubo what one of the leading questions any content owner asks when they come visiting to find out what all the buzz is about Kenya and whether they should consider putting up here? Yes, you got it - "can you meet our energy needs?" Without a fail in every case the answer is "no".
This is an issue that needs to be considered very carefully if we intend to be a serious contender on the global scene.
Tried to find online stats about the average energy usage of a Google data centet but apparently these are well kept secrets. But I remember hearing sometime back that a single Google data center uses more energy than the city of Nairobi(sic).
Regards,
Brian
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:33 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Nicholas,
I strongly disagree with you on the issue of developing local hosting capacity, the only way we can reduce our reliance on the marine cable and also to give the rest of the world reason to keep us lit is if we have content to offer.
Eugene makes a valid point in saying that we are spending hundreds of millions to make round trips on the internet it is essential that we carry out a true cost of connectivity analysis after which I will assure you that we shall still be better off setting up local data centres even with the high electricity costs.
The world also needs to look for disaster recovery locations in safe heavens, Egypt might have lower energy costs but as it seems now its status as a safe destination has become questionable what is the worlds alternative if not Kenya with or without its high energy costs?
Until recently I wore shoes made by Bata, recently I visited one of their shops to pick a new pair just to realise that it was made in China after which my loyalty weaned and now I will look at other stores that do not have local manufacturing capacity.
Safaricom might enjoy the lower costs of hosting MPesa in Germany but when they are forced to route their traffic over expensive satellite connections suddenly the savings do not seem has lucrative.
Regards
Build local, use local, grow local and be local
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas J Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012, 17:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
This only makes sense if it makes sense to build data centres in Kenya - I don't believe it does.
If you look at all the recent major data centre build outs (Apple, Google) - they're either happening where there is enormous amounts of cheap energy, or where it's extremely cold. Kenya doesn't have either of these features and I can't see how it's going to generate large quantities of cheap energy any time soon.
N.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e [mailto:kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Eugene Lidede (Synergy) Sent: 28 February 2012 16:55 To: Nicholas J Dear Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? Importance: High
+1 Michuki on your good points
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
However, what constitutes this traffic? Is it local content held abroad or is it genuinely content that cannot otherwise be obtained/generated locally. If it is local content held abroad, of which I am convinced it is, what is the best solution pre-2030: more fiber - both under sea and terrestrial, more redundant landing stations, better behaved shipping lines or more capacity and enabling environment for local hosting and local content providers?
Considering a typical case where my suppliers are in Kenya, my means of production is in Kenya, my clients are in Kenya with an occasionally client or two from abroad. If I had an extra shilling to spend on my business, what would make more sense, reengineer my offering to attract more international clients or strengthen my local offering?
How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK? What ought to be the focus of our policy makers, regulators and licensors: facilitating scenarios as these or formulating ways to reverse such? Are there any benefits of such traffic transactions happening here in Kenya say at KIXP? How much would it cost say Safaricom to host say NMG's suite of websites, even if free of charge, verses how much does it cost them in terms of procured capacity, to deliver NMG bound traffic to the UK? Are there any short/long term benefits? Can both firms and others be given tax incentives to facilitate the above as opposed draining money on software certifications, a duplication of what more tax-payer money is already successfully doing at public universities?
--
Growing up in the seventies and eighties was interesting... Across all homes I knew, my friends, my cousins and even the one I grew up in, the best of everything was not for regular use by the "locals". The best cutlery, the best linen, we even had a term "Sunday Best" to describe that one Kaunda suit that could only be worn on Sundays. Chicken was only to be served when there were visitors (read "foreigners"). Back then, things were done more for the benefit of "foreigners" than for the benefit of "locals" - or how do you explain those grandiose wooden chests in the living room with all manner of expensive cutlery on display while "locals" made do with plastic cups and recycled blue-band tins.
Fast forward 30 years, and yes only time has "changed". We the lads and lasses growing up in the seventies and eighties are now in our 30s, 40s and 50s and yes, we are policy makers but as you know old habits die hard and so do bad ones. Our preoccupation is on how to better facilitate delivery of traffic abroad for what has been generated locally and is to be consumed within our borders. This we see as good practice: pay for export of our locally produced content and pay some more for its delivery back home unmodified for consumption. We see no problem giving a foreign company most of our government data via opendata because they are more competent than locals in deciphering and analyzing the data on and about the locals
Why are we so preoccupied with the international market as though there are no business opportunities for locals?
If indeed ICT and ecommerce is the next economic frontier, "naomba sirkal"... Nkt!
Regards
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Brian
TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take
On 2/28/12 9:06 AM, James Mbugua wrote: three weeks
although that may be to avoid over promising.
I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired.
Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS.
Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom.
IMHO we need to have a clearer understanding of the bigger picture to set the long term goals and objectives.
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
2. We are dependent on a single East-Bound path from "Nairobi - Mombasa - (Mumbai/Fujaira) before going to Europe. This is despite the fact that we have terrestrial capacity from Cape Town to Cairo to provide an North-bound path that would complement the longer path.
3. The BBC article did not mention that, with the Submarine cable cuts the Internet traffic between the East African Countries Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda are most adversely affected. My current tests are showing over 1sec latency from Nairobi to some networks in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda. This is despite the reality that Uganda and Rwanda are largely dependent on the terrestrial cables passing through Kenya onto the cables.
4. South bound Internet traffic (to Southern Africa) has acquires satellite like latencies (higher than 500ms). As a result of the cable cuts. There's more than sufficient capacity terrestrially but we still have to go to Europe before going back South.
If we can work towards resolving the above issues with concrete plans and solutions. It's likely that such cable cuts in the future will not cause the level of attention and anxiety that we see are experiencing today.
My 2 cents.
Regards,
Michuki.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eu gene%40synergy.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nd ear%40sundayafternoon.me.uk
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4836 - Release Date: 02/27/12
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
Longwe, The world is going green, even IBM have realised that the best way to penetrate the developing country markets is to resolve the frequently quoted bottleneck reliable power supply. http://www.aiso.net/news-coverage.html?id=58 http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ibm-illuminates-solar-power-syste... http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/apple-reveals-details-on-... http://www.care2.com/causes/microsoft-files-patent-for-wind-powered-data-cen... Assuming you have read the articles I have shared you then realise that for us to attract the Microsofts, Googles, IBMs, Facebooks and others to setup locally what we need to concentrate on is not the size of the data centres we can built but the level of green (refer to Peter Marangi for elaboration) we can provide or even go truly Savannah with a concept like "compute with the big 5" and place the data centre in the middle of Tsavo. Regards PS. Safaricom is also implementing solar as an alternative power supply for remote base stations. "Was there life before Google?" Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 10:38 Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? I don't like talking to myself because most of the time people make wrong judgements about me ;) but I have to say this... It is interesting to note that the US Govt has a Federal Energy Management Program that among other things maps out data center energy requirements http://www1.eere.energy.gov/femp/program/dc_energy_consumption.html and (presumably) plans suitable interventions in collaboration with industry according to the projected requirements. Regards, Brian On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Robert,
Like it or not Nicholas' point is fundamentally true.
Let's go back to Internet 101: You either have eyeballs or you have content. If you have content, the eyeballs will need to get to you so you need to sit your content somewhere accessible, affordable and secure. If you have eyeballs you need to provide them with a means to get to the content or else they will go to someone else who can.
The problem with Kenya is not just that our energy is expensive. The biggest problem is that it simply is not enough. Ask Dr. Ndemo or Paul Kukubo what one of the leading questions any content owner asks when they come visiting to find out what all the buzz is about Kenya and whether they should consider putting up here? Yes, you got it - "can you meet our energy needs?" Without a fail in every case the answer is "no".
This is an issue that needs to be considered very carefully if we intend to be a serious contender on the global scene.
Tried to find online stats about the average energy usage of a Google data centet but apparently these are well kept secrets. But I remember hearing sometime back that a single Google data center uses more energy than the city of Nairobi(sic).
Regards,
Brian
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:33 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Nicholas,
I strongly disagree with you on the issue of developing local hosting capacity, the only way we can reduce our reliance on the marine cable and also to give the rest of the world reason to keep us lit is if we have content to offer.
Eugene makes a valid point in saying that we are spending hundreds of millions to make round trips on the internet it is essential that we carry out a true cost of connectivity analysis after which I will assure you that we shall still be better off setting up local data centres even with the high electricity costs.
The world also needs to look for disaster recovery locations in safe heavens, Egypt might have lower energy costs but as it seems now its status as a safe destination has become questionable what is the worlds alternative if not Kenya with or without its high energy costs?
Until recently I wore shoes made by Bata, recently I visited one of their shops to pick a new pair just to realise that it was made in China after which my loyalty weaned and now I will look at other stores that do not have local manufacturing capacity.
Safaricom might enjoy the lower costs of hosting MPesa in Germany but when they are forced to route their traffic over expensive satellite connections suddenly the savings do not seem has lucrative.
Regards
Build local, use local, grow local and be local
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas J Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012, 17:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
This only makes sense if it makes sense to build data centres in Kenya - I don't believe it does.
If you look at all the recent major data centre build outs (Apple, Google) - they're either happening where there is enormous amounts of cheap energy, or where it's extremely cold. Kenya doesn't have either of these features and I can't see how it's going to generate large quantities of cheap energy any time soon.
N.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e [mailto:kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Eugene Lidede (Synergy) Sent: 28 February 2012 16:55 To: Nicholas J Dear Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? Importance: High
+1 Michuki on your good points
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
However, what constitutes this traffic? Is it local content held abroad or is it genuinely content that cannot otherwise be obtained/generated locally. If it is local content held abroad, of which I am convinced it is, what is the best solution pre-2030: more fiber - both under sea and terrestrial, more redundant landing stations, better behaved shipping lines or more capacity and enabling environment for local hosting and local content providers?
Considering a typical case where my suppliers are in Kenya, my means of production is in Kenya, my clients are in Kenya with an occasionally client or two from abroad. If I had an extra shilling to spend on my business, what would make more sense, reengineer my offering to attract more international clients or strengthen my local offering?
How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK? What ought to be the focus of our policy makers, regulators and licensors: facilitating scenarios as these or formulating ways to reverse such? Are there any benefits of such traffic transactions happening here in Kenya say at KIXP? How much would it cost say Safaricom to host say NMG's suite of websites, even if free of charge, verses how much does it cost them in terms of procured capacity, to deliver NMG bound traffic to the UK? Are there any short/long term benefits? Can both firms and others be given tax incentives to facilitate the above as opposed draining money on software certifications, a duplication of what more tax-payer money is already successfully doing at public universities?
--
Growing up in the seventies and eighties was interesting... Across all homes I knew, my friends, my cousins and even the one I grew up in, the best of everything was not for regular use by the "locals". The best cutlery, the best linen, we even had a term "Sunday Best" to describe that one Kaunda suit that could only be worn on Sundays. Chicken was only to be served when there were visitors (read "foreigners"). Back then, things were done more for the benefit of "foreigners" than for the benefit of "locals" - or how do you explain those grandiose wooden chests in the living room with all manner of expensive cutlery on display while "locals" made do with plastic cups and recycled blue-band tins.
Fast forward 30 years, and yes only time has "changed". We the lads and lasses growing up in the seventies and eighties are now in our 30s, 40s and 50s and yes, we are policy makers but as you know old habits die hard and so do bad ones. Our preoccupation is on how to better facilitate delivery of traffic abroad for what has been generated locally and is to be consumed within our borders. This we see as good practice: pay for export of our locally produced content and pay some more for its delivery back home unmodified for consumption. We see no problem giving a foreign company most of our government data via opendata because they are more competent than locals in deciphering and analyzing the data on and about the locals
Why are we so preoccupied with the international market as though there are no business opportunities for locals?
If indeed ICT and ecommerce is the next economic frontier, "naomba sirkal"... Nkt!
Regards
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Brian
TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take
On 2/28/12 9:06 AM, James Mbugua wrote: three weeks
although that may be to avoid over promising.
I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired.
Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS.
Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom.
IMHO we need to have a clearer understanding of the bigger picture to set the long term goals and objectives.
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
2. We are dependent on a single East-Bound path from "Nairobi - Mombasa - (Mumbai/Fujaira) before going to Europe. This is despite the fact that we have terrestrial capacity from Cape Town to Cairo to provide an North-bound path that would complement the longer path.
3. The BBC article did not mention that, with the Submarine cable cuts the Internet traffic between the East African Countries Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda are most adversely affected. My current tests are showing over 1sec latency from Nairobi to some networks in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda. This is despite the reality that Uganda and Rwanda are largely dependent on the terrestrial cables passing through Kenya onto the cables.
4. South bound Internet traffic (to Southern Africa) has acquires satellite like latencies (higher than 500ms). As a result of the cable cuts. There's more than sufficient capacity terrestrially but we still have to go to Europe before going back South.
If we can work towards resolving the above issues with concrete plans and solutions. It's likely that such cable cuts in the future will not cause the level of attention and anxiety that we see are experiencing today.
My 2 cents.
Regards,
Michuki.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eu gene%40synergy.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nd ear%40sundayafternoon.me.uk
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4836 - Release Date: 02/27/12
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
Now that we have sufficient geothermal potential, we should encourage investment in geothermal powered and cooled data centers. Geothermal sources can have a dual benefit of providing guaranteed power and cooling. Long term pricing agreements may be arranged with investors. this already being discussed and implemented in Iceland and in New Zealand. http://thinkgeoenergy.com/archives/8319 http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/08/13/geothermal-data-cente... On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:43 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Longwe,
The world is going green, even IBM have realised that the best way to penetrate the developing country markets is to resolve the frequently quoted bottleneck reliable power supply.
http://www.aiso.net/news-coverage.html?id=58
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ibm-illuminates-solar-power-syste...
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/apple-reveals-details-on-...
http://www.care2.com/causes/microsoft-files-patent-for-wind-powered-data-cen...
Assuming you have read the articles I have shared you then realise that for us to attract the Microsofts, Googles, IBMs, Facebooks and others to setup locally what we need to concentrate on is not the size of the data centres we can built but the level of green (refer to Peter Marangi for elaboration) we can provide or even go truly Savannah with a concept like "compute with the big 5" and place the data centre in the middle of Tsavo.
Regards
PS. Safaricom is also implementing solar as an alternative power supply for remote base stations.
"Was there life before Google?"
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 10:38
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
I don't like talking to myself because most of the time people make wrong judgements about me ;) but I have to say this...
It is interesting to note that the US Govt has a Federal Energy Management Program that among other things maps out data center energy requirements http://www1.eere.energy.gov/femp/program/dc_energy_consumption.html and (presumably) plans suitable interventions in collaboration with industry according to the projected requirements.
Regards,
Brian
Dear Robert,
Like it or not Nicholas' point is fundamentally true.
Let's go back to Internet 101: You either have eyeballs or you have content. If you have content, the eyeballs will need to get to you so you need to sit your content somewhere accessible, affordable and secure. If you have eyeballs you need to provide them with a means to get to the content or else they will go to someone else who can.
The problem with Kenya is not just that our energy is expensive. The biggest problem is that it simply is not enough. Ask Dr. Ndemo or Paul Kukubo what one of the leading questions any content owner asks when they come visiting to find out what all the buzz is about Kenya and whether they should consider putting up here? Yes, you got it - "can you meet our energy needs?" Without a fail in every case the answer is "no".
This is an issue that needs to be considered very carefully if we intend to be a serious contender on the global scene.
Tried to find online stats about the average energy usage of a Google data centet but apparently these are well kept secrets. But I remember hearing sometime back that a single Google data center uses more energy than the city of Nairobi(sic).
Regards,
Brian
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:33 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Nicholas,
I strongly disagree with you on the issue of developing local hosting capacity, the only way we can reduce our reliance on the marine cable and also to give the rest of the world reason to keep us lit is if we have content to offer.
Eugene makes a valid point in saying that we are spending hundreds of millions to make round trips on the internet it is essential that we carry out a true cost of connectivity analysis after which I will assure you
we shall still be better off setting up local data centres even with the high electricity costs.
The world also needs to look for disaster recovery locations in safe heavens, Egypt might have lower energy costs but as it seems now its status as a safe destination has become questionable what is the worlds alternative if not Kenya with or without its high energy costs?
Until recently I wore shoes made by Bata, recently I visited one of
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: that their
shops to pick a new pair just to realise that it was made in China after which my loyalty weaned and now I will look at other stores that do not have local manufacturing capacity.
Safaricom might enjoy the lower costs of hosting MPesa in Germany but when they are forced to route their traffic over expensive satellite connections suddenly the savings do not seem has lucrative.
Regards
Build local, use local, grow local and be local
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas J Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012, 17:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
This only makes sense if it makes sense to build data centres in Kenya - I don't believe it does.
If you look at all the recent major data centre build outs (Apple, Google) - they're either happening where there is enormous amounts of cheap energy, or where it's extremely cold. Kenya doesn't have either of these features and I can't see how it's going to generate large quantities of cheap energy any time soon.
N.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e [mailto:kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Eugene Lidede (Synergy) Sent: 28 February 2012 16:55 To: Nicholas J Dear Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? Importance: High
+1 Michuki on your good points
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
However, what constitutes this traffic? Is it local content held abroad or is it genuinely content that cannot otherwise be obtained/generated locally. If it is local content held abroad, of which I am convinced it is, what is the best solution pre-2030: more fiber - both under sea and terrestrial, more redundant landing stations, better behaved shipping lines or more capacity and enabling environment for local hosting and local content providers?
Considering a typical case where my suppliers are in Kenya, my means of production is in Kenya, my clients are in Kenya with an occasionally client or two from abroad. If I had an extra shilling to spend on my business, what would make more sense, reengineer my offering to attract more international clients or strengthen my local offering?
How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK? What ought to be the focus of our policy makers, regulators and licensors: facilitating scenarios as these or formulating ways to reverse such? Are there any benefits of such traffic transactions happening here in Kenya say at KIXP? How much would it cost say Safaricom to host say NMG's suite of websites, even if free of charge, verses how much does it cost them in terms of procured capacity, to deliver NMG bound traffic to the UK? Are there any short/long term benefits? Can both firms and others be given tax incentives to facilitate the above as opposed draining money on software certifications, a duplication of what more tax-payer money is already successfully doing at public universities?
--
Growing up in the seventies and eighties was interesting... Across all homes I knew, my friends, my cousins and even the one I grew up in, the best of everything was not for regular use by the "locals". The best cutlery, the best linen, we even had a term "Sunday Best" to describe that one Kaunda suit that could only be worn on Sundays. Chicken was only to be served when there were visitors (read "foreigners"). Back then, things were done more for the benefit of "foreigners" than for the benefit of "locals" - or how do you explain those grandiose wooden chests in the living room with all manner of expensive cutlery on display while "locals" made do with plastic cups and recycled blue-band tins.
Fast forward 30 years, and yes only time has "changed". We the lads and lasses growing up in the seventies and eighties are now in our 30s, 40s and 50s and yes, we are policy makers but as you know old habits die hard and so do bad ones. Our preoccupation is on how to better facilitate delivery of traffic abroad for what has been generated locally and is to be consumed within our borders. This we see as good practice: pay for export of our locally produced content and pay some more for its delivery back home unmodified for consumption. We see no problem giving a foreign company most of our government data via opendata because they are more competent than locals in deciphering and analyzing the data on and about the locals
Why are we so preoccupied with the international market as though there are no business opportunities for locals?
If indeed ICT and ecommerce is the next economic frontier, "naomba sirkal"... Nkt!
Regards
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Brian
TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take
On 2/28/12 9:06 AM, James Mbugua wrote: three weeks
although that may be to avoid over promising.
I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired.
Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS.
Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom.
IMHO we need to have a clearer understanding of the bigger picture to set the long term goals and objectives.
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
2. We are dependent on a single East-Bound path from "Nairobi - Mombasa - (Mumbai/Fujaira) before going to Europe. This is despite the fact that we have terrestrial capacity from Cape Town to Cairo to provide an North-bound path that would complement the longer path.
3. The BBC article did not mention that, with the Submarine cable cuts the Internet traffic between the East African Countries Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda are most adversely affected. My current tests are showing over 1sec latency from Nairobi to some networks in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda. This is despite the reality that Uganda and Rwanda are largely dependent on the terrestrial cables passing through Kenya onto the cables.
4. South bound Internet traffic (to Southern Africa) has acquires satellite like latencies (higher than 500ms). As a result of the cable cuts. There's more than sufficient capacity terrestrially but we still have to go to Europe before going back South.
If we can work towards resolving the above issues with concrete plans and solutions. It's likely that such cable cuts in the future will not cause the level of attention and anxiety that we see are experiencing today.
My 2 cents.
Regards,
Michuki.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eu gene%40synergy.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nd ear%40sundayafternoon.me.uk
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4836 - Release Date: 02/27/12
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
for
people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
for
people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nboinett%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- *“And one should bear in mind that there is nothing more difficult to execute, more dubious of success, nor more dangerous to administer than to introduce a new order of things; for he who introduces it has all those who profit from the old order as his enemies,and he has only lukewarm allies in all those who might profit from the new. This lukewarmness partly stems from fear of their adversaries . . . and partly from the skepticism of men, who do not truly believe in new things unless they have actually had personal experience of them.” * (From Chapter VI of Niccoló Machiavelli,The Prince. Peter Bondanella and Mark Musa,translators. Oxford University Press revised edition, 1984, p. 21.)
For Kenya, isn't lack of power for data centers an imaginary issue ? On 3/5/12, Norman Boinett <nboinett@gmail.com> wrote:
Now that we have sufficient geothermal potential, we should encourage investment in geothermal powered and cooled data centers. Geothermal sources can have a dual benefit of providing guaranteed power and cooling. Long term pricing agreements may be arranged with investors. this already being discussed and implemented in Iceland and in New Zealand.
http://thinkgeoenergy.com/archives/8319
http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/08/13/geothermal-data-cente...
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:43 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Longwe,
The world is going green, even IBM have realised that the best way to penetrate the developing country markets is to resolve the frequently quoted bottleneck reliable power supply.
http://www.aiso.net/news-coverage.html?id=58
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ibm-illuminates-solar-power-syste...
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/apple-reveals-details-on-...
http://www.care2.com/causes/microsoft-files-patent-for-wind-powered-data-cen...
Assuming you have read the articles I have shared you then realise that for us to attract the Microsofts, Googles, IBMs, Facebooks and others to setup locally what we need to concentrate on is not the size of the data centres we can built but the level of green (refer to Peter Marangi for elaboration) we can provide or even go truly Savannah with a concept like "compute with the big 5" and place the data centre in the middle of Tsavo.
Regards
PS. Safaricom is also implementing solar as an alternative power supply for remote base stations.
"Was there life before Google?"
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 10:38
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
I don't like talking to myself because most of the time people make wrong judgements about me ;) but I have to say this...
It is interesting to note that the US Govt has a Federal Energy Management Program that among other things maps out data center energy requirements http://www1.eere.energy.gov/femp/program/dc_energy_consumption.html and (presumably) plans suitable interventions in collaboration with industry according to the projected requirements.
Regards,
Brian
Dear Robert,
Like it or not Nicholas' point is fundamentally true.
Let's go back to Internet 101: You either have eyeballs or you have content. If you have content, the eyeballs will need to get to you so you need to sit your content somewhere accessible, affordable and secure. If you have eyeballs you need to provide them with a means to get to the content or else they will go to someone else who can.
The problem with Kenya is not just that our energy is expensive. The biggest problem is that it simply is not enough. Ask Dr. Ndemo or Paul Kukubo what one of the leading questions any content owner asks when they come visiting to find out what all the buzz is about Kenya and whether they should consider putting up here? Yes, you got it - "can you meet our energy needs?" Without a fail in every case the answer is "no".
This is an issue that needs to be considered very carefully if we intend to be a serious contender on the global scene.
Tried to find online stats about the average energy usage of a Google data centet but apparently these are well kept secrets. But I remember hearing sometime back that a single Google data center uses more energy than the city of Nairobi(sic).
Regards,
Brian
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:33 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Nicholas,
I strongly disagree with you on the issue of developing local hosting capacity, the only way we can reduce our reliance on the marine cable and also to give the rest of the world reason to keep us lit is if we have content to offer.
Eugene makes a valid point in saying that we are spending hundreds of millions to make round trips on the internet it is essential that we carry out a true cost of connectivity analysis after which I will assure you
we shall still be better off setting up local data centres even with the high electricity costs.
The world also needs to look for disaster recovery locations in safe heavens, Egypt might have lower energy costs but as it seems now its status as a safe destination has become questionable what is the worlds alternative if not Kenya with or without its high energy costs?
Until recently I wore shoes made by Bata, recently I visited one of
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: that their
shops to pick a new pair just to realise that it was made in China after which my loyalty weaned and now I will look at other stores that do not have local manufacturing capacity.
Safaricom might enjoy the lower costs of hosting MPesa in Germany but when they are forced to route their traffic over expensive satellite connections suddenly the savings do not seem has lucrative.
Regards
Build local, use local, grow local and be local
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas J Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012, 17:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
This only makes sense if it makes sense to build data centres in Kenya - I don't believe it does.
If you look at all the recent major data centre build outs (Apple, Google) - they're either happening where there is enormous amounts of cheap energy, or where it's extremely cold. Kenya doesn't have either of these features and I can't see how it's going to generate large quantities of cheap energy any time soon.
N.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e [mailto:kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Eugene Lidede (Synergy) Sent: 28 February 2012 16:55 To: Nicholas J Dear Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? Importance: High
+1 Michuki on your good points
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
However, what constitutes this traffic? Is it local content held abroad or is it genuinely content that cannot otherwise be obtained/generated locally. If it is local content held abroad, of which I am convinced it is, what is the best solution pre-2030: more fiber - both under sea and terrestrial, more redundant landing stations, better behaved shipping lines or more capacity and enabling environment for local hosting and local content providers?
Considering a typical case where my suppliers are in Kenya, my means of production is in Kenya, my clients are in Kenya with an occasionally client or two from abroad. If I had an extra shilling to spend on my business, what would make more sense, reengineer my offering to attract more international clients or strengthen my local offering?
How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK? What ought to be the focus of our policy makers, regulators and licensors: facilitating scenarios as these or formulating ways to reverse such? Are there any benefits of such traffic transactions happening here in Kenya say at KIXP? How much would it cost say Safaricom to host say NMG's suite of websites, even if free of charge, verses how much does it cost them in terms of procured capacity, to deliver NMG bound traffic to the UK? Are there any short/long term benefits? Can both firms and others be given tax incentives to facilitate the above as opposed draining money on software certifications, a duplication of what more tax-payer money is already successfully doing at public universities?
--
Growing up in the seventies and eighties was interesting... Across all homes I knew, my friends, my cousins and even the one I grew up in, the best of everything was not for regular use by the "locals". The best cutlery, the best linen, we even had a term "Sunday Best" to describe that one Kaunda suit that could only be worn on Sundays. Chicken was only to be served when there were visitors (read "foreigners"). Back then, things were done more for the benefit of "foreigners" than for the benefit of "locals" - or how do you explain those grandiose wooden chests in the living room with all manner of expensive cutlery on display while "locals" made do with plastic cups and recycled blue-band tins.
Fast forward 30 years, and yes only time has "changed". We the lads and lasses growing up in the seventies and eighties are now in our 30s, 40s and 50s and yes, we are policy makers but as you know old habits die hard and so do bad ones. Our preoccupation is on how to better facilitate delivery of traffic abroad for what has been generated locally and is to be consumed within our borders. This we see as good practice: pay for export of our locally produced content and pay some more for its delivery back home unmodified for consumption. We see no problem giving a foreign company most of our government data via opendata because they are more competent than locals in deciphering and analyzing the data on and about the locals
Why are we so preoccupied with the international market as though there are no business opportunities for locals?
If indeed ICT and ecommerce is the next economic frontier, "naomba sirkal"... Nkt!
Regards
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Brian
TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take
On 2/28/12 9:06 AM, James Mbugua wrote: three weeks
although that may be to avoid over promising.
I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired.
Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS.
Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom.
IMHO we need to have a clearer understanding of the bigger picture to set the long term goals and objectives.
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
2. We are dependent on a single East-Bound path from "Nairobi - Mombasa - (Mumbai/Fujaira) before going to Europe. This is despite the fact that we have terrestrial capacity from Cape Town to Cairo to provide an North-bound path that would complement the longer path.
3. The BBC article did not mention that, with the Submarine cable cuts the Internet traffic between the East African Countries Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda are most adversely affected. My current tests are showing over 1sec latency from Nairobi to some networks in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda. This is despite the reality that Uganda and Rwanda are largely dependent on the terrestrial cables passing through Kenya onto the cables.
4. South bound Internet traffic (to Southern Africa) has acquires satellite like latencies (higher than 500ms). As a result of the cable cuts. There's more than sufficient capacity terrestrially but we still have to go to Europe before going back South.
If we can work towards resolving the above issues with concrete plans and solutions. It's likely that such cable cuts in the future will not cause the level of attention and anxiety that we see are experiencing today.
My 2 cents.
Regards,
Michuki.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eu gene%40synergy.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nd ear%40sundayafternoon.me.uk
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4836 - Release Date: 02/27/12
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
for
people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
for
people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nboinett%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- *“And one should bear in mind that there is nothing more difficult to execute, more dubious of success, nor more dangerous to administer than to introduce a new order of things; for he who introduces it has all those who profit from the old order as his enemies,and he has only lukewarm allies in all those who might profit from the new. This lukewarmness partly stems from fear of their adversaries . . . and partly from the skepticism of men, who do not truly believe in new things unless they have actually had personal experience of them.” * (From Chapter VI of Niccoló Machiavelli,The Prince. Peter Bondanella and Mark Musa,translators. Oxford University Press revised edition, 1984, p. 21.)
-- Sent from my mobile device
Brian, I still stick to my guns on this issue, our 4 cement companies used to make noise about the whole cost of energy and some even threatened to relocate to cheaper locations. They are all still here and we have more and more people coming to share the cake, a cement kiln requires more power than your optimised data centre will ever need. So let us stop using road side statements to justify a position UNEP had at one time indicated that Nairobi was too unsafe, there were frequent water and power outages, and a high cost of living in Nairobi suggesting that they wanted to relocate - President Kibaki in no uncertain terms asked them to go right ahead and as they say the rest is history. We need to stop looking at issues in isolated pockets and try and get a panoramic view of a situation, Konza up until I started shouting in the wilderness was being looked at in a silo (Ministry of Information) has confirmed by the PS in his statement that he was unaware of the procedure for carrying out a development. If Konza is definitely a National project then it needs to be approached holistically and the best place would have been within the chief coordinator's office a.k.a Prime Ministry but since that did not happen and the office stands dissolved the next home for the project will have to be The Office of the President. I digress, the issue of high energy costs can be easily mitigated by other elements which I will not go into right now, we need to look at it like a manufacturing process where what matters is the price of the end product but tweaking the various components to achieve the expected price. Instead of trying to get stats on Google's data centre power requirements why not ask Safaricom, I am sure there is someone with the requisite pay grade to give us the answer to that question. Also note that Google does not virtualise therefore making their data centres more power hungry than new top of the line blade servers would need. Lets also not forget that we are talking about setting up data centres to serve just a few million users, I am currently retrofitting a data centre to make it more energy efficient and if the state of that particular data centre is anything to go by then most of the energy being consumed is being dissipated as heat. There are now entire data centres running off-grid utilising solar & wind with DC powered servers, a few months ago there was a demonstration of an outdoor off-grid data centre at the UNEP complex, with such initiatives why do we keep thinking that the only source of power must be KPLC? Last time I checked no one had received a bill from the almighty for the use of solar and wind, but I might be wrong if you are aware of anyone who has please send me a copy. I have a client who I advised many months ago to relocate his mail servers back here but they kept repeating the statements that I keep hearing on this post, by people who should know better, well today I have had to supply them with several Safaricom 3G modems as their ISP is as good as off the grid. Why do we keep insisting that we are setting up for overseas customers, Kenya is the hub for Central and Western Africa a market that is more than sufficient to cut our teeth on after which Goggle (who have already installed a cache server locally) and their elk will soon come knocking. Industrialisation, innovation and intelligence begins at home, even the great Osho Rajnesh once said "seek not from without but first from within" Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 9:56 Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? Dear Robert, Like it or not Nicholas' point is fundamentally true. Let's go back to Internet 101: You either have eyeballs or you have content. If you have content, the eyeballs will need to get to you so you need to sit your content somewhere accessible, affordable and secure. If you have eyeballs you need to provide them with a means to get to the content or else they will go to someone else who can. The problem with Kenya is not just that our energy is expensive. The biggest problem is that it simply is not enough. Ask Dr. Ndemo or Paul Kukubo what one of the leading questions any content owner asks when they come visiting to find out what all the buzz is about Kenya and whether they should consider putting up here? Yes, you got it - "can you meet our energy needs?" Without a fail in every case the answer is "no". This is an issue that needs to be considered very carefully if we intend to be a serious contender on the global scene. Tried to find online stats about the average energy usage of a Google data centet but apparently these are well kept secrets. But I remember hearing sometime back that a single Google data center uses more energy than the city of Nairobi(sic). Regards, Brian On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:33 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Nicholas,
I strongly disagree with you on the issue of developing local hosting capacity, the only way we can reduce our reliance on the marine cable and also to give the rest of the world reason to keep us lit is if we have content to offer.
Eugene makes a valid point in saying that we are spending hundreds of millions to make round trips on the internet it is essential that we carry out a true cost of connectivity analysis after which I will assure you that we shall still be better off setting up local data centres even with the high electricity costs.
The world also needs to look for disaster recovery locations in safe heavens, Egypt might have lower energy costs but as it seems now its status as a safe destination has become questionable what is the worlds alternative if not Kenya with or without its high energy costs?
Until recently I wore shoes made by Bata, recently I visited one of their shops to pick a new pair just to realise that it was made in China after which my loyalty weaned and now I will look at other stores that do not have local manufacturing capacity.
Safaricom might enjoy the lower costs of hosting MPesa in Germany but when they are forced to route their traffic over expensive satellite connections suddenly the savings do not seem has lucrative.
Regards
Build local, use local, grow local and be local
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas J Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012, 17:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
This only makes sense if it makes sense to build data centres in Kenya - I don't believe it does.
If you look at all the recent major data centre build outs (Apple, Google) - they're either happening where there is enormous amounts of cheap energy, or where it's extremely cold. Kenya doesn't have either of these features and I can't see how it's going to generate large quantities of cheap energy any time soon.
N.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e [mailto:kictanet- bounces+ndear=sundayafternoon.me.uk@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Eugene Lidede (Synergy) Sent: 28 February 2012 16:55 To: Nicholas J Dear Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? Importance: High
+1 Michuki on your good points
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
However, what constitutes this traffic? Is it local content held abroad or is it genuinely content that cannot otherwise be obtained/generated locally. If it is local content held abroad, of which I am convinced it is, what is the best solution pre-2030: more fiber - both under sea and terrestrial, more redundant landing stations, better behaved shipping lines or more capacity and enabling environment for local hosting and local content providers?
Considering a typical case where my suppliers are in Kenya, my means of production is in Kenya, my clients are in Kenya with an occasionally client or two from abroad. If I had an extra shilling to spend on my business, what would make more sense, reengineer my offering to attract more international clients or strengthen my local offering?
How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK? What ought to be the focus of our policy makers, regulators and licensors: facilitating scenarios as these or formulating ways to reverse such? Are there any benefits of such traffic transactions happening here in Kenya say at KIXP? How much would it cost say Safaricom to host say NMG's suite of websites, even if free of charge, verses how much does it cost them in terms of procured capacity, to deliver NMG bound traffic to the UK? Are there any short/long term benefits? Can both firms and others be given tax incentives to facilitate the above as opposed draining money on software certifications, a duplication of what more tax-payer money is already successfully doing at public universities?
--
Growing up in the seventies and eighties was interesting... Across all homes I knew, my friends, my cousins and even the one I grew up in, the best of everything was not for regular use by the "locals". The best cutlery, the best linen, we even had a term "Sunday Best" to describe that one Kaunda suit that could only be worn on Sundays. Chicken was only to be served when there were visitors (read "foreigners"). Back then, things were done more for the benefit of "foreigners" than for the benefit of "locals" - or how do you explain those grandiose wooden chests in the living room with all manner of expensive cutlery on display while "locals" made do with plastic cups and recycled blue-band tins.
Fast forward 30 years, and yes only time has "changed". We the lads and lasses growing up in the seventies and eighties are now in our 30s, 40s and 50s and yes, we are policy makers but as you know old habits die hard and so do bad ones. Our preoccupation is on how to better facilitate delivery of traffic abroad for what has been generated locally and is to be consumed within our borders. This we see as good practice: pay for export of our locally produced content and pay some more for its delivery back home unmodified for consumption. We see no problem giving a foreign company most of our government data via opendata because they are more competent than locals in deciphering and analyzing the data on and about the locals
Why are we so preoccupied with the international market as though there are no business opportunities for locals?
If indeed ICT and ecommerce is the next economic frontier, "naomba sirkal"... Nkt!
Regards
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet- bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fibre Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION?
Brian
TEAMS general manager Joel Tanui said it will take
On 2/28/12 9:06 AM, James Mbugua wrote: three weeks
although that may be to avoid over promising.
I'm told Eassy also has a cut near Djibouti and is currently being repaired.
Operators now have no option but to switch to the very expensive Seacom. By some accounts it is three times as expensive as TEAMS.
Safaricom which carries 80 per cent of Kenya's internet traffic usually has 50 per cent going through TEAMS and has switched this to Seacom.
IMHO we need to have a clearer understanding of the bigger picture to set the long term goals and objectives.
1. Today we import more than 80% of the Internet traffic consumed in Kenya causing an "Internet Transit Deficit" where significantly less Internet traffic is generated locally than accessed from overseas, similar to what was experienced between Europe and the US during the late 1990's.
2. We are dependent on a single East-Bound path from "Nairobi - Mombasa - (Mumbai/Fujaira) before going to Europe. This is despite the fact that we have terrestrial capacity from Cape Town to Cairo to provide an North-bound path that would complement the longer path.
3. The BBC article did not mention that, with the Submarine cable cuts the Internet traffic between the East African Countries Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda are most adversely affected. My current tests are showing over 1sec latency from Nairobi to some networks in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda. This is despite the reality that Uganda and Rwanda are largely dependent on the terrestrial cables passing through Kenya onto the cables.
4. South bound Internet traffic (to Southern Africa) has acquires satellite like latencies (higher than 500ms). As a result of the cable cuts. There's more than sufficient capacity terrestrially but we still have to go to Europe before going back South.
If we can work towards resolving the above issues with concrete plans and solutions. It's likely that such cable cuts in the future will not cause the level of attention and anxiety that we see are experiencing today.
My 2 cents.
Regards,
Michuki.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eu gene%40synergy.co.ke
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nd ear%40sundayafternoon.me.uk
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi- stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4836 - Release Date: 02/27/12
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
Hi, Any chance we can get an analysis off the impact of the marine cable cuts on KIXP? I am having problems connecting from Safaricom to sites hosted locally by other ISPs my suspicion being that some of the other ISPs connections to KIXP are congested which would also be a wearing indication that we are still routing some of our local traffic through the international gateways. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
You can see the aggregate traffic now, well done to KIXP for making this public! http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=71&Itemid=77 see link at very bottom of page, it doesn't look like any significant change, except perhaps for the weekend, while folk were hustling to re-route prefixes. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel On 2/29/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Any chance we can get an analysis off the impact of the marine cable cuts on KIXP?
I am having problems connecting from Safaricom to sites hosted locally by other ISPs my suspicion being that some of the other ISPs connections to KIXP are congested which would also be a wearing indication that we are still routing some of our local traffic through the international gateways.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
The TESPOK website is completely unreachable from my Zuku connection and has been since before the fiber cut. Must be a routing anomaly or issue with their KIXP link... Brian On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:14 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
You can see the aggregate traffic now, well done to KIXP for making this public!
http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=71&Itemid=77
see link at very bottom of page, it doesn't look like any significant change, except perhaps for the weekend, while folk were hustling to re-route prefixes.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On 2/29/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Any chance we can get an analysis off the impact of the marine cable cuts on KIXP?
I am having problems connecting from Safaricom to sites hosted locally by other ISPs my suspicion being that some of the other ISPs connections to KIXP are congested which would also be a wearing indication that we are still routing some of our local traffic through the international gateways.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
You can see the aggregate traffic now, well done to KIXP for making this
Some local Telcos seem to initially have conveniently given KIXP a wide berth, ( Perhaps to avoid associated costs of Loops/peering etc) and so it cannot be gainsaid that we again got caught flat-footed.. and now the chicken are finally coming home to roost, and so it is just right that we all should learn our lessons and move to set up a proper infrastructure that mitigates the 'unforeseen' in future. Now, what about the ship. Is it still docked at the port. How did it score such a direct hit? How about re-routing the different cables to different landing points - not sure what motivated the different entities to 'bundle' them together through a single point of entry and thereby also according a single point of failure. As an important information Superhighway gateway, this infrastructure should now be accorded a 'national security' status Asap..! How many Billions has the country lost to date.. or stand to lose if we do not remedy immediately to convince those coming to set up shop that we have redundancy to the highway? Anyone doing the maths.. Regards, Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:04 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? The TESPOK website is completely unreachable from my Zuku connection and has been since before the fiber cut. Must be a routing anomaly or issue with their KIXP link... Brian On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:14 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote: public!
http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=71&Item id=77
see link at very bottom of page, it doesn't look like any significant change, except perhaps for the weekend, while folk were hustling to re-route prefixes.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On 2/29/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Any chance we can get an analysis off the impact of the marine cable cuts
on
KIXP?
I am having problems connecting from Safaricom to sites hosted locally by other ISPs my suspicion being that some of the other ISPs connections to KIXP are congested which would also be a wearing indication that we are still routing some of our local traffic through the international gateways.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
On 2/29/12 9:56 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:
Dear Robert,
Like it or not Nicholas' point is fundamentally true.
Let's go back to Internet 101: You either have eyeballs or you have content. If you have content, the eyeballs will need to get to you so you need to sit your content somewhere accessible, affordable and secure. If you have eyeballs you need to provide them with a means to get to the content or else they will go to someone else who can.
+ 1
The problem with Kenya is not just that our energy is expensive. The biggest problem is that it simply is not enough. Ask Dr. Ndemo or Paul Kukubo what one of the leading questions any content owner asks when they come visiting to find out what all the buzz is about Kenya and whether they should consider putting up here? Yes, you got it - "can you meet our energy needs?" Without a fail in every case the answer is "no".
+1
This is an issue that needs to be considered very carefully if we intend to be a serious contender on the global scene.
Am not particularly in agreement with this statement in view of the comments above. I will substantiate this below.
Tried to find online stats about the average energy usage of a Google data centet but apparently these are well kept secrets. But I remember hearing sometime back that a single Google data center uses more energy than the city of Nairobi(sic).
I have information on Equinix and their largest data centers consume 80MW of power. (FYI Equinix is the largest Carrier Neutral Data Center provider in the world). While i appreciate our desire to be a player in the international scene and host large content providers, etc. We tend to forget that when Google, et al are building Data centers their objective is to serve several hundred million users from those locations. IMHO, we need to rethink the business case for hosting. I believe it is under-developed and needs more attention. Let me try and use what we already know to explain this. Q. According to CCK there are 14.3 Million Internet Users in Kenya so if we are building hosting infrastructure (power being the main concern) how much power do we need to host content for 20 million users?. A. We have sufficient capacity today (power and colo space in Kenya) to host content for 20 Million users. Fact - Google Cache's in kenya serve at least 20% of most ISPs traffic. The foot print of these servers (space and power) is tiny. Q. To further expound on this, what foot print is required to run a data center providing a local Free Webmail service targeting 20 Million users?. A. Too small with today's computing resources and green techniques. Am actually curious to know what percentage of data centers in Kenya are running at least 50% of their installed capacity in relation to their operating costs. By this i mean, are their costs indicative of operating at 100% or at the 50% especially power, cooling, tech support, etc. In conclusion, am more convinced that we need to start developing hosting solutions to serve Kenya before we can serve the world. Right now we are aiming to serve the world before we can serve Kenya. This is very evident with the fact that a server aimed at providing KCSE results is unable to support queries at peak times, but on the other hand we are keen on getting content owners to host locally. It is common practice by investors to make unrealistic demands as a polite way to put off weak proposals. So maybe we should look at the power requirements from that point of view. Regards, Michuki.
Good points Michuki, But I was talking in the context of getting the content owners who our eyeballs go to, to set up their data centers here in-country so that all access is 'local'. By default that would mean mirroring/replicating their existing data center infrastructure - which includes hardware, software, data, etc... Your mention about Equinix is correct (I remember visiting their San Francisco data center in 2003, interesting that it is entirely underground) - on average data centers use between 30-100 MW http://www.neuralenergy.info/2009/06/data-centers.html which, on the higher end (where Google sits) is said to be the same amount of energy to power a city of 200,000 - Nakuru? - nevertheless, that's a lot of energy for a single facility. Imagine if the following were to consider setting up facilities in Kenya? - Microsoft - Google - Facebook - General Electric - EBay - Amazon - IBM - HP If all of them set up data centers in Kenya, they would collectively need about 500-800MW. Peg this against our current installed capacity of 1300MW and we are definitely not anywhere near the top of the list in terms of destination of choice for an African data center destination. Let us not forget that these are all key target tenants for Konza. How would we go about meeting their energy requirements? Let alone the water requirements for cooling systems and (this may touch some nerves) the human resource (skills) required to man and run the centers? Regards, Brian On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
On 2/29/12 9:56 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:
Dear Robert,
Like it or not Nicholas' point is fundamentally true.
Let's go back to Internet 101: You either have eyeballs or you have content. If you have content, the eyeballs will need to get to you so you need to sit your content somewhere accessible, affordable and secure. If you have eyeballs you need to provide them with a means to get to the content or else they will go to someone else who can.
+ 1
The problem with Kenya is not just that our energy is expensive. The biggest problem is that it simply is not enough. Ask Dr. Ndemo or Paul Kukubo what one of the leading questions any content owner asks when they come visiting to find out what all the buzz is about Kenya and whether they should consider putting up here? Yes, you got it - "can you meet our energy needs?" Without a fail in every case the answer is "no".
+1
This is an issue that needs to be considered very carefully if we intend to be a serious contender on the global scene.
Am not particularly in agreement with this statement in view of the comments above. I will substantiate this below.
Tried to find online stats about the average energy usage of a Google data centet but apparently these are well kept secrets. But I remember hearing sometime back that a single Google data center uses more energy than the city of Nairobi(sic).
I have information on Equinix and their largest data centers consume 80MW of power. (FYI Equinix is the largest Carrier Neutral Data Center provider in the world).
While i appreciate our desire to be a player in the international scene and host large content providers, etc. We tend to forget that when Google, et al are building Data centers their objective is to serve several hundred million users from those locations.
IMHO, we need to rethink the business case for hosting. I believe it is under-developed and needs more attention. Let me try and use what we already know to explain this.
Q. According to CCK there are 14.3 Million Internet Users in Kenya so if we are building hosting infrastructure (power being the main concern) how much power do we need to host content for 20 million users?.
A. We have sufficient capacity today (power and colo space in Kenya) to host content for 20 Million users. Fact - Google Cache's in kenya serve at least 20% of most ISPs traffic. The foot print of these servers (space and power) is tiny.
Q. To further expound on this, what foot print is required to run a data center providing a local Free Webmail service targeting 20 Million users?.
A. Too small with today's computing resources and green techniques.
Am actually curious to know what percentage of data centers in Kenya are running at least 50% of their installed capacity in relation to their operating costs. By this i mean, are their costs indicative of operating at 100% or at the 50% especially power, cooling, tech support, etc.
In conclusion, am more convinced that we need to start developing hosting solutions to serve Kenya before we can serve the world. Right now we are aiming to serve the world before we can serve Kenya. This is very evident with the fact that a server aimed at providing KCSE results is unable to support queries at peak times, but on the other hand we are keen on getting content owners to host locally.
It is common practice by investors to make unrealistic demands as a polite way to put off weak proposals. So maybe we should look at the power requirements from that point of view.
Regards,
Michuki.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
On 3/1/12 1:30 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:
But I was talking in the context of getting the content owners who our eyeballs go to, to set up their data centers here in-country so that all access is 'local'. By default that would mean mirroring/replicating their existing data center infrastructure - which includes hardware, software, data, etc...
I prefer to see the content owners put limited (read relevant data incountry) and have a private circuit (read peering) into Kenya. For instance, am happy to have the Google East Africa maps hosted in Kenya that the whole Google map database. At the same time am happy to see Google peering at the local IXP with multiple 10G pipes back to their Mega-data centers in Europe and USA.
energy for a single facility. Imagine if the following were to consider setting up facilities in Kenya? - Microsoft - Google - Facebook - General Electric - EBay - Amazon - IBM - HP
Am happy to see versions of Ebay.co.ke Amazon.co.ke, etc that accept M-PESA, et al and support local sellers through local payment gateways, and instead of home delivery, pickups at local points like Posta locations, etc. It would be nice to have a gmail platform thats hosted in Kenya, etc. If you can imagine how many individuals and businesses alike are bound to suffer if all 3 cables had outages at the same time - remember it happened in Asia 2 years ago. The bottom line being that if they are building the infrastructure to support the size of the market - then we are not looking at capacity we dont already have.
If all of them set up data centers in Kenya, they would collectively need about 500-800MW. Peg this against our current installed capacity of 1300MW and we are definitely not anywhere near the top of the list in terms of destination of choice for an African data center destination.
+1 - unless our focus is to have them implement more regionally focused content/solutions. Not Global ones.
Let us not forget that these are all key target tenants for Konza. How would we go about meeting their energy requirements? Let alone the water requirements for cooling systems and (this may touch some nerves) the human resource (skills) required to man and run the centers?
You raised a fundamental question in an earlier post. Who develops or is responsible for the ICT strategy of this issues.
Hi Michuki, You raised an interesting point regarding size of market. When it comes to ICTs or anything to do with the Internet I like to think of "our market" as being the sub-region and especially the countries that are economically linked to Kenya i.e. Eastern Africa. Considering the fact that this region represents about a quarter of the entire African population which is over 1 Billion, we are a VERY significant market - especially now as most western countries, investors, companies are looking to Africa to grow their businesses, revenues and other interests. Ergo, Kenya can strategically position herself as the destination of choice to tap into the regional economy - if we can present the right mix of ingredients to the interested parties. Konza is a step in the right direction, as Bw Ndemo has severally pointed out; it will give us the opportunity to have the right standards as far as buildings, roads, water supply, electrical supply, healthcare, police etc are concerned... Regards, Brian On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
On 3/1/12 1:30 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:
But I was talking in the context of getting the content owners who our eyeballs go to, to set up their data centers here in-country so that all access is 'local'. By default that would mean mirroring/replicating their existing data center infrastructure - which includes hardware, software, data, etc...
I prefer to see the content owners put limited (read relevant data incountry) and have a private circuit (read peering) into Kenya.
For instance, am happy to have the Google East Africa maps hosted in Kenya that the whole Google map database.
At the same time am happy to see Google peering at the local IXP with multiple 10G pipes back to their Mega-data centers in Europe and USA.
energy for a single facility. Imagine if the following were to consider setting up facilities in Kenya? - Microsoft - Google - Facebook - General Electric - EBay - Amazon - IBM - HP
Am happy to see versions of Ebay.co.ke Amazon.co.ke, etc that accept M-PESA, et al and support local sellers through local payment gateways, and instead of home delivery, pickups at local points like Posta locations, etc. It would be nice to have a gmail platform thats hosted in Kenya, etc. If you can imagine how many individuals and businesses alike are bound to suffer if all 3 cables had outages at the same time - remember it happened in Asia 2 years ago.
The bottom line being that if they are building the infrastructure to support the size of the market - then we are not looking at capacity we dont already have.
If all of them set up data centers in Kenya, they would collectively need about 500-800MW. Peg this against our current installed capacity of 1300MW and we are definitely not anywhere near the top of the list in terms of destination of choice for an African data center destination.
+1 - unless our focus is to have them implement more regionally focused content/solutions. Not Global ones.
Let us not forget that these are all key target tenants for Konza. How would we go about meeting their energy requirements? Let alone the water requirements for cooling systems and (this may touch some nerves) the human resource (skills) required to man and run the centers?
You raised a fundamental question in an earlier post. Who develops or is responsible for the ICT strategy of this issues.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
"How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK?' ---------------------- please Eugene, what exactly does the above mean? please clarify further?
Wakaba, SCOM is the biggest carrier of data in Kenya. NMG on the other hand is the biggest media house in Kenya. Both are public companies. For SCOM to deliver traffic of its clients who are in Kenya, they have to 'travel' to the UK. NMG on the other hand collates news and info from, in and about Kenya and also transports it to the UK where their servers are. Both firms are in Kenya (owned by the public) the source of news is in Kenya, SCOM clients are in Kenya, and so are NMG readers. While they have their respective business models and commercial reasons, (and mine is not an assault on that,) but from a policy and developmental perspective, and in light of the fiber cut, how is it that the above situation does not bother policy makers? It bothers me. How do we convince BBC to setup node in Kenya to serve Africa south of the Sahara, with the above situation? When will Internet costs truly come down if bold steps are not taken? If we can master resources to "incentify" foreigners by building them a 'brand new city', why can't we do it for our own businesses? The case of these two publicly listed firms certainly does not require a 'brand new city'... . but then, maybe it requires two 'brand new cities' hence the reason why we went for the cheaper option of one 'brand new city'! Regards Eugene Lidede | Chief Technology Officer | Synergy Systems Limited 6th Floor, Phoenix House, Kenyatta Ave. | Cell: +254 721 289497/476367 | Tel: +254 20 2113163 <http://live.mystocks.co.ke> live.mystocks.co.ke | <http://www.propertykenya.com> www.propertykenya.com | <http://www.mystocks.co.ke> www.mystocks.co.ke Outstanding Online Investment Content Provider 2009 - Computer Society of Kenya From: peter wakaba [mailto:peterwakaba@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 2:10 PM To: eugene@synergy.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] TEAMS | EASSY Fiber Cables Cut? SEACOM | LION? "How is it that we are comfortable with our top publicly listed telco, Safaricom delivering traffic to our top publicly listed media house in the UK?' ---------------------- please Eugene, what exactly does the above mean? please clarify further?
participants (17)
-
Agosta Liko -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Dennis Kioko -
Eugene Lidede (Synergy) -
Harry Delano -
James Mbugua -
mahmoods21＠gmail.com -
McTim -
Michuki Mwangi -
Moses Muya -
Nicholas J Dear -
Norman Boinett -
peter wakaba -
Philip Okundi -
robert yawe -
S.M. Muraya