PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
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Dear All, I seen to notice a very disturbing trend here...why is the Kenyan Diaspora angry about anything and anyone that seems to be working or doing something. I have noticed that most of the KICTANet flame comes from people in Diaspora. If they feel that strongly about the country, I why not come back home and build the nation from here. Or better still, stop distracting people who are working for the nation. Kindest Regards Harry On 10/7/08 8:57 AM, "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely astounding. WHat is going on in the old motherland?
2008/10/7 John Maina <j.maina@ymail.com>
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This accusation against Ndemo is absurd and lacks basis. He has done an excellent job. Keep up the good work Daktari. Wakarema --- On Wed, 8/10/08, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote: From: Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests To: wambuiwakarema@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Date: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008, 5:38 AM Dear All, I seen to notice a very disturbing trend here...why is the Kenyan Diaspora angry about anything and anyone that seems to be working or doing something.. I have noticed that most of the KICTANet flame comes from people in Diaspora. If they feel that strongly about the country, I why not come back home and build the nation from here. Or better still, stop distracting people who are working for the nation. Kindest Regards Harry On 10/7/08 8:57 AM, "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely astounding. WHat is going on in the old motherland? 2008/10/7 John Maina <j.maina@ymail.com> http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jmanthi@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmanthi%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: wambuiwakarema@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wambuiwakarema%40yahoo....
Dear Colleagues and great people of this forum, I wish to advise that this forum is not for asking people to account for any actions, behaviours, dealings, activities and/or how they have conducted themselves in their line of official or private duty. Nobody is obliged to respond to any accusations levelled at them in this forum because this is not a commission of inquiry, public case hearing, Baraza la wazee nor Kamukunji for such issues and as such let us ignore any of such accusations as they are being addressed to the wrong forum. I would not respond to them if it were me - Alas! on what basis or rules or guidelines will one be giving a response?. And even if someone responds then what next? Will you have judged him/her as what? If we strongly have such issues, as partly highlighted above, we should direct them or take them up with the right institution or forum. This forum neither has the capacity/resources nor competence to handle such issues. It is said that "be careful not to quickly judge others for the same measure you use to measure others can equally be applied to you especially if you are not competent to make that judgement. It may be found that you are worse than those you are attempting to judge." I request that we use this to guide our discussions in this forum. May be we will then concentrate on issues and encourage our bosses in the government and private sector to participate in this forum without feeling that they may be judged unfairly in so doing. Ganson -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+glewela=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+glewela=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Wambui Wakarema Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:10 AM To: Ganson Lewela Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests This accusation against Ndemo is absurd and lacks basis. He has done an excellent job. Keep up the good work Daktari. Wakarema --- On Wed, 8/10/08, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote: From: Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests To: wambuiwakarema@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Date: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008, 5:38 AM Dear All, I seen to notice a very disturbing trend here...why is the Kenyan Diaspora angry about anything and anyone that seems to be working or doing something. I have noticed that most of the KICTANet flame comes from people in Diaspora. If they feel that strongly about the country, I why not come back home and build the nation from here. Or better still, stop distracting people who are working for the nation. Kindest Regards Harry On 10/7/08 8:57 AM, "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely astounding. WHat is going on in the old motherland? 2008/10/7 John Maina <j.maina@ymail.com> http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jmanthi@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmanthi%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: wambuiwakarema@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wambuiwakarema%40ya hoo..co.uk ##################################################################################### NOTE: The information in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the named addressee. Emails are susceptible to alteration and their integrity cannot be guaranteed. Safaricom Limited does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this email if the same is found to have been altered or manipulated. The contents and opinions expressed in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Safaricom Limited. Safaricom Limited disclaims any liability to the fullest extent permissible by law for any consequences that may arise from the contents of this email including but not limited to personal opinions, malicious and/or defamatory information and data/codes that may compromise or damage the integrity of the recipient�s information technology systems. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender and immediately delete this email from your system. #####################################################################################
Smells like a smear campaign to me. I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong. B On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote:
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I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in this matter. When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing. Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is the rule NOT the exception. Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by breaking the good ones down. Asante sana. Crystal On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian@caret.net> wrote:
Smells like a smear campaign to me.
I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong.
B
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I agree totally. Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to invest in anything substantial in Kenya... It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money... Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment unfriendly policies... Bravo, Daktari Ndemo! Nicholas A. Nesbitt Chief Executive Officer KenCall EPZ Ltd P.O. Box 27507 - 00506 Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road Nairobi, Kenya +254.20.660.2000 (office) +254.20.660.2222 (fax) +254.721.458.458 (cell) nnesbitt@kencall.com www.kencall.com BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008 Fastest Growing Top 100 company On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote:
I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in this matter.
When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing.
Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is the rule NOT the exception.
Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by breaking the good ones down.
Asante sana.
Crystal
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian@caret.net> wrote: Smells like a smear campaign to me.
I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong.
B
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Again. I like honesty. I know how a real Kenyan lives, obviously there is much you don't know about me, and I would never use a personal smear in such a discussion. Well, then maybe you are RIGHT. If that is the mark of a Kenyan. I have suffered poverty and hunger in the village alongside women. I have carried water on my head for kilometers. Every day for over a year I hiked everywhere with my three year old daughter tied to my back in a kanga. Sir, what is the mark of a Kenyan? I have given everything I owned to Kenya twice. Once when I moved here and once when I had to evacuate the post-election violence. How many would be willing to give up everything they owned and live in poverty in a rural village to understand Kenya? I respect you as a professional, but you have no right to judge my "Kenyanness" through a list forum. Thank you. Crystal On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM, nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt@kencall.com>wrote:
I agree totally. Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to invest in anything substantial in Kenya...
It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money...
Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment unfriendly policies... Bravo, Daktari Ndemo!
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On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote:
I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in this matter.
When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing.
Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is the rule NOT the exception.
Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by breaking the good ones down.
Asante sana.
Crystal
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian@caret.net>wrote:
Smells like a smear campaign to me.
I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong.
B
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AND WHO IS THIS PROFESSOR JOHN MAINA? Professor in what? RUMOUR-MONGERING???? Leave PS Ndemo alone and get a life! PS Ndemo has been doing an incredible job!!! kudos Daktari Ndemo Justin 2008/10/7 John Maina <j.maina@ymail.com>
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Justin, Ease up abit. You are breaking the very rule on diplomacy that we demand of John Maina! Both of you actually risk being suspended from the house... I think the point on online etiquette has been made and we should let this thread rest. walu. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Justin Mburu <jt.alliance@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Justin Mburu <jt.alliance@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 9:33 AM AND WHO IS THIS PROFESSOR JOHN MAINA?
Professor in what? RUMOUR-MONGERING????
Leave PS Ndemo alone and get a life!
PS Ndemo has been doing an incredible job!!! kudos Daktari Ndemo
Justin
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My apologies for breaking the rules, I guess I got carried away by thise unfounded remarks for John Maina. I agree we let this thread rest. Justin. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:56 AM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Justin,
Ease up abit. You are breaking the very rule on diplomacy that we demand of John Maina! Both of you actually risk being suspended from the house...
I think the point on online etiquette has been made and we should let this thread rest.
walu.
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From: Justin Mburu <jt.alliance@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 9:33 AM AND WHO IS THIS PROFESSOR JOHN MAINA?
Professor in what? RUMOUR-MONGERING????
Leave PS Ndemo alone and get a life!
PS Ndemo has been doing an incredible job!!! kudos Daktari Ndemo
Justin
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Just my two pennies worth here. Kenya is not an Island that it can survive on its own even through local investment. Most times we dont have the funds. I do agree though about the Government and banks not supporting local investors with loans etc. They must start giving them the opportunity to setup local expertise and turn them in money making ventures, if only they wouldn't fleece their own companies. Even America, the giant needs investors!!! You all have a valid point but use it for the best interests of Kenya and its people first and foremost. Not just self interest for the few. And by the way Kenyans come in all shapes, sizes, COLOURS, and creed. So please don't generalise who is kenyan and who is not!!! Kencall directors and owners are Kenyan and not outsiders if I understand correctly. When we are taxed whether individually or coorporately, the money is used for Kenya and Kenyans and not for outsiders who invested! Forcing local partnership in foreign owned companies has its negative and positive effects. This needs to be look at more seriously to make it a win-win situation. It has been known in the past that foreign investors with forced local partnership have been subjected to threats and intimidation by the local partners when they wanted more than their fare share, (given to them mind you). Thus the weariness o of being forced now. This does not attract any investor. But the foreigners should not fleece the country either! Let us have some constructive critisism without being racially inclined. Fight to make things right no matter what but without pinpointing nationalities or colours of people. On 10/7/08, John Maina <j.maina@ymail.com> wrote:
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