interesting.  could this be the change we can believe in? (Borrowed from Obama B, 2008) walu. nb: GG - could be better to give thematic outline of the discussion over the next 5days so that listers can be better prepared and guided. --- On Tue, 8/2/11, pamela@cardiacimplants.com <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> wrote: From: pamela@cardiacimplants.com <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 10:35 PM Wow! Am sold! Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Sender: kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:22:32 To: <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy?     OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo Grace, First I feel greatly honoured by your thoughts. Since I do not have money for such an undertaking, I will respond hypothetically. I will consolidate on the gains we have made in automating public sector to create more resources to address emergencies like drought. For example, within 100 the e-procurement will be operational.  This will free 40 - 50 billion wasted annually. While finalizing automation in Judiciary and Lands (where I will raise another 20 biilion) I will comprehensively deal with the situation in Northern Kenya (you cannot govern hungry people) by creating urban centers and support zero grazing through provision of hay from South Rift.  Spend 5 billion to construct dams a long the Ewaso Nyiro river.  Use gravity to get River Omo water via the Chalbi desert  into dams in parts of Marsabit and start irrigation prjects.  Utilize the Tana Delta to provide more food. Spend 2 billion on diversifying our food eating habbits.  This will remove unnecessary demand for maize that makes it expensive and leads to cost push inflation.  There is no reason why potatoes should rot in Nyahururu when a few kilometers north people are hungry and waiting for Maize meal. Further will start cottage industries to deal with post production where we lose 30% of our food.  Only in Kenya where we compete with weavils in eating maize.  Much of the maize and beans should be canned as githeri to avoid wastage and create jobs. Within year one we shall have end to end government in place and serve mwananchi day and night making a 24 hour economy a reality and create more employment.  Will outsource judicial services such as transcriptions to reduce backlog and improve not only governance but create real justice. Of course on innauguration I will actualize open government where every Kenyan would feel part of the government.  Ensure that all information can be accessed on the mobile platform.  Give incentives to lower price of smart phones as well as cost of accessing internet.  Will encourage aggressive content development especially on e-learning. Within 100 days will embark on a ppp to develop a 5,000 MW energy plant in order to break away from minimalist investment in the sector.  More importantly to deal with powerful indepedent power producers who have guarded their profits more than national interests. Give incentives to build solar pannels for use in remote parts especially in schools that will all be hooked to DTH TV for learning. Provide legistlators with research assistants and create a culture where they do not open their mouths unless they have facts on th issue. And more .. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:43:20 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy? 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Esther, One of the additions we shall put in the open data portal is the mapping of Kenyan soils. This is key to our agriculture because at the taouch of a button you can tell what kind of food crops grow in certain locality, how much you need to produce in order to break even, what are productivity levels etc. This is called smart farming. Old economics will tell you of comparative advantage. For example you are far more productive growing maize in Trans Nzoia than in Kangundo. But what do you see. Kangundo which can productively grow fruits is growing maize. In most cases farmers hadly harvest anything. Youth or older people want predictability in any venture. After which people will begin to meet their expectations. We simply have too many people with shattered expectations. That is why youth find it prudent to run away fron non productive land. We must bring hope back and predictable expectations through ICTs. We can confidently promise better outcomes for people of Kangundo if we assisted them grow crops that will produce what they want. Exchange their goods and services through middle men with people of Trans Nzoia. In the process you create employment. Built into this are strategies of delaying consumption through value addition and better storage capacities. For example, we must show Kisiis how to dry bananas for cereals production. Cerals can even be exported but not fresh bananas that rot and lose value. Teach Maragilis how to make juice from guavas. Packaged juice can be exported instead of importing it from South Africa. Teach Kambas how to make juice from mangoes. Mango juice is the most loved juice by foreigners. There is no need for us to import it. This is how wealth is created and wherever there is money, you do not need any science to make both youth and the old to invest their time. People who eat ugali for the first time find it tasteless. We must not make this tasteless commodity to bring food insecurity to our country. If we must have maize then we must deal with post production of the commodity to reduce wastage. We must have industries for canning Githeri and Mokimo in such a way that we can delay consumption of it across seasons. Such that when we have a bumer harvet, we can store value from that season to another that may be charcterised as drought. Let us manage the entire supply chain of food in this country. One Kenya. Ndemo.

Daktari - you have touched on an area I am passionate about: Agriculture.

Swali: How do you plan to ensure the youth embrace agriculture and see it as a viable business? How will you bridge the gap between research and production/value-addition? My fear is without a deliberate effort to engage our youth in this sector, it will remain a domain of the 'old' (who will soon disappear) and we will watch our farms go to waste. Our youth crying 'hakuna kazi' and 'tunaomba serikali'...and the Turkana story will never end...

What is your strategy? And how will ICT come into play in this sector under your leadership?

Esther

-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:23 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy? OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo

Grace, First I feel greatly honoured by your thoughts. Since I do not have money for such an undertaking, I will respond hypothetically.

I will consolidate on the gains we have made in automating public sector to create more resources to address emergencies like drought. For example, within 100 the e-procurement will be operational. This will free 40 - 50 billion wasted annually.

While finalizing automation in Judiciary and Lands (where I will raise another 20 biilion) I will comprehensively deal with the situation in Northern Kenya (you cannot govern hungry people) by creating urban centers and support zero grazing through provision of hay from South Rift. Spend 5 billion to construct dams a long the Ewaso Nyiro river. Use gravity to get River Omo water via the Chalbi desert into dams in parts of Marsabit and start irrigation prjects. Utilize the Tana Delta to provide more food.

Spend 2 billion on diversifying our food eating habbits. This will remove unnecessary demand for maize that makes it expensive and leads to cost push inflation. There is no reason why potatoes should rot in Nyahururu when a few kilometers north people are hungry and waiting for Maize meal. Further will start cottage industries to deal with post production where we lose 30% of our food. Only in Kenya where we compete with weavils in eating maize. Much of the maize and beans should be canned as githeri to avoid wastage and create jobs.

Within year one we shall have end to end government in place and serve mwananchi day and night making a 24 hour economy a reality and create more employment. Will outsource judicial services such as transcriptions to reduce backlog and improve not only governance but create real justice.

Of course on innauguration I will actualize open government where every Kenyan would feel part of the government. Ensure that all information can be accessed on the mobile platform. Give incentives to lower price of smart phones as well as cost of accessing internet. Will encourage aggressive content development especially on e-learning.

Within 100 days will embark on a ppp to develop a 5,000 MW energy plant in order to break away from minimalist investment in the sector. More importantly to deal with powerful indepedent power producers who have guarded their profits more than national interests.

Give incentives to build solar pannels for use in remote parts especially in schools that will all be hooked to DTH TV for learning.

Provide legistlators with research assistants and create a culture where they do not open their mouths unless they have facts on th issue.

And more ..

Ndemo.

Sent from my BlackBerryR

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Dr Ndemo. I wish you were my candidate for 2012 ! "The candidates" can still borrow this great ideas and have you and like minded technocrats help them implement it. Mahmoud Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Sender: kictanet-bounces+mahmoods21=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:27:17 To: noor<mahmoods21@gmail.com> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy? OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo In summary, Again hypothetically my major themes shall be: Kwowledge for life Infrastructure for Development Food security (including Value addition) Employment (create tons of it) One Kenya. Unity in diversity. Keep hope a live (borrowed from Rev. Jesse Jackson). Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:43:20 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy? Online Interview with PS Ndemo _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mahmoods21%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

I think Dakitari you are reading the minds of most of us. Accelerating development can take place when there is a concerted effort from all quarters. My wish, since you've touched on various line minsitries, wouldn't it be possible, if it materialize, to have other PSs also join in this debate? Why? Without Treasury PS, the money you've mentioned might not be forthcoming; without Agriculture and Special Programmes PSs, how will the provision of food reach the masses? And Education PS would come in handy because we are talking about mass education campaign, which can be facilitated by this important Ministry. Further tha National Social and Economic Council and Vision 2030 secretariats, in my 2 cents, would provide some integration that we can use (in this campaign), to speed development in Kenya. For instance, through the Medium Term Plan (2008-2012) of Vision 2030, could it be possible to know how much has been achieved, what's stalled and what is on course ( well apart from the expansion of Thika Road)? The reason as to why I've pointed this is because in this era of 'coalitions' wouldn't such partnership be adapted to make things move faster? I pray to see Konza City developed while I'm alive (there are people we support in micro-enterprise skills inside the proposed Konza ICT village and I think they see optimism with the program/idea in their neighbourhood)! My thoughts. On 03/08/2011, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:

Bwana Ndemo,

For innovation and "thinking without the box" (new phrase)...we give that to you. You have shown "you have the spine" to do things differently and defy the norm.

I recall a visit we made with you to CFSK (Computer's for Schools Kenya) to get a deeper understanding of how refurbishment of computers was being done by young innovators. You challenged the young girls and boys to turn the computer monitors (they had planned to ship back to China and elsewhere for metal extraction) into colored TVs! I thought to myself, wow, what a dream!....the next visit I made to CFSK four months later, they had indeed turned those monitor's into colored TVs and were selling them at Ksh 4,000 a piece. From then on I tell people that when Bwana Ndemo gives ideas, I listen very keenly.

Presidential candidates are put to the test in all areas. A question I have for you is to explain (wasi wasi) the recent discussion on China taking over digital signal distribution in Kenya - what became of that debate? has the decision been reversed?

Edith

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In summary, Again hypothetically my major themes shall be: Kwowledge for life Infrastructure for Development Food security (including Value addition) Employment (create tons of it)

One Kenya. Unity in diversity. Keep hope a live (borrowed from Rev. Jesse Jackson).

Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Barrack, ICT being a tool for development, allow me some leeway to expand your topics along thematic areas that I had proposed. Trust me I shall comprehensively cover your proposed themes. There is no need to tie ourselves within the industry alone. See how I dealt with the proposal from Kanyi. Regards Ndemo.

Dear Listers,

Thank you GG for setting the scene and Dr. Ndemo for your candid responses, indeed iron sharpens iron and that should be our goal going forwad, as requested by Walu, we will have a structured discussion over the five day period under five broad thematic areas:

1. ICT and Education 2. Telecommunications and broadcasting sectors 3. Business process outsourcing 4. Electronic health 5. ICT and Governance/ equality.

As GG mentioned this is not an interrogation but a preview into the vision that the Permanent Secretary has for the sector, we do hope that as stakeholders we will be able to identify areas that need attention and how we can collectively contribute towards addressing the respective issues, listers feel free toadd any other areas that we may have overlooked.

Thank you On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I think Dakitari you are reading the minds of most of us. Accelerating development can take place when there is a concerted effort from all quarters. My wish, since you've touched on various line minsitries, wouldn't it be possible, if it materialize, to have other PSs also join in this debate? Why? Without Treasury PS, the money you've mentioned might not be forthcoming; without Agriculture and Special Programmes PSs, how will the provision of food reach the masses? And Education PS would come in handy because we are talking about mass education campaign, which can be facilitated by this important Ministry. Further tha National Social and Economic Council and Vision 2030 secretariats, in my 2 cents, would provide some integration that we can use (in this campaign), to speed development in Kenya. For instance, through the Medium Term Plan (2008-2012) of Vision 2030, could it be possible to know how much has been achieved, what's stalled and what is on course ( well apart from the expansion of Thika Road)?

The reason as to why I've pointed this is because in this era of 'coalitions' wouldn't such partnership be adapted to make things move faster? I pray to see Konza City developed while I'm alive (there are people we support in micro-enterprise skills inside the proposed Konza ICT village and I think they see optimism with the program/idea in their neighbourhood)!

My thoughts.

...

Bwana Ndemo,

For innovation and "thinking without the box" (new phrase)...we give

...

you. You have shown "you have the spine" to do things differently and defy the norm.

I recall a visit we made with you to CFSK (Computer's for Schools Kenya) to get a deeper understanding of how refurbishment of computers was being done by young innovators. You challenged the young girls and boys to turn

...

computer monitors (they had planned to ship back to China and elsewhere for metal extraction) into colored TVs! I thought to myself, wow, what a dream!....the next visit I made to CFSK four months later, they had indeed turned those monitor's into colored TVs and were selling them at Ksh 4,000 a piece. From then on I tell people that when Bwana Ndemo gives ideas, I listen very keenly.

Presidential candidates are put to the test in all areas. A question I have for you is to explain (wasi wasi) the recent discussion on China taking over digital signal distribution in Kenya - what became of that debate? has

On 03/08/2011, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: that to the the

...

decision been reversed?

Edith

________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 03 August 2011 05:27 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy? OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo

In summary, Again hypothetically my major themes shall be: Kwowledge for life Infrastructure for Development Food security (including Value addition) Employment (create tons of it)

One Kenya. Unity in diversity. Keep hope a live (borrowed from Rev. Jesse Jackson).

Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Edith, I did not ignore your questions. If I were you I would have asked them differently. We have not reversed any of the decisions and if we did we shall be sued. The process was fair. In consideration of the investment made by Media Owners, we shall on a an affirmative action give the third license to the Media Owners. This is a signal distribution license. You should have asked if we have given a broadcast or content distribution license. The answer is no. This is a more important question and the only people who have understood this are foreign media. Yesterday I had an interview with a New York Times reporter and where he focused questions was on content and how we China's influence in the region. If we keep on asking wrong questions, we shall provide wrong answers that do not secure our future interests. You realize that the big multinational broadcasters such as BBC and CNN are not interested in infrastructure like Chinese but they are coming as content providers. I hope we do not fight that they are exerting influence. This is why I will want to focus our energies in creating regional influence through ICT. Egypt has been trying this by paying for African countries to attend their events. Unfortunately, their strategy is not complete. Often when we go there on paid trips we end up visiting the pyramids. They still cannot articulate what to do with Africa. You will think that as they go through the crisis this spending will stop. No. On my desk still I have an invitation for September 4th. Rwanda too tried to exert the influence but they lacked resources to a sustained engagement. Let us utilize our highly educated unemployed youth for positive regional change through content creation. We have enough business and art graduates. lets move with a purpose. One Kenya. Keep hope alive. Ndemo.

Bwana Ndemo,

For innovation and "thinking without the box" (new phrase)...we give that to you. You have shown "you have the spine" to do things differently and defy the norm.

I recall a visit we made with you to CFSK (Computer's for Schools Kenya) to get a deeper understanding of how refurbishment of computers was being done by young innovators. You challenged the young girls and boys to turn the computer monitors (they had planned to ship back to China and elsewhere for metal extraction) into colored TVs! I thought to myself, wow, what a dream!....the next visit I made to CFSK four months later, they had indeed turned those monitor's into colored TVs and were selling them at Ksh 4,000 a piece. From then on I tell people that when Bwana Ndemo gives ideas, I listen very keenly.

Presidential candidates are put to the test in all areas. A question I have for you is to explain (wasi wasi) the recent discussion on China taking over digital signal distribution in Kenya - what became of that debate? has the decision been reversed?

Edith

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In summary, Again hypothetically my major themes shall be: Kwowledge for life Infrastructure for Development Food security (including Value addition) Employment (create tons of it)

One Kenya. Unity in diversity. Keep hope a live (borrowed from Rev. Jesse Jackson).

Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Edith, There are just a handful of local entrepreneurs distributing IP signal. Unless there is a policy change, we should not discriminate against the Chinese. There is no significant impact on Kenya at all. Otherwise we then must begin to worry about all tier one operators. The chinese are getting tier two operator license that thirty more firms have. Regards Ndemo.

Bwana Ndemo,

My question still stands (content is another issue) - what will be helpful is if you can explain further the implications of signal distribution being handled by a foreigner. Please give your response to a "greenhorn" audeince.

Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 04 August 2011 07:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: RE: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy? OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo

Edith, I did not ignore your questions. If I were you I would have asked them differently. We have not reversed any of the decisions and if we did we shall be sued. The process was fair. In consideration of the investment made by Media Owners, we shall on a an affirmative action give the third license to the Media Owners. This is a signal distribution license.

You should have asked if we have given a broadcast or content distribution license. The answer is no. This is a more important question and the only people who have understood this are foreign media. Yesterday I had an interview with a New York Times reporter and where he focused questions was on content and how we China's influence in the region. If we keep on asking wrong questions, we shall provide wrong answers that do not secure our future interests. You realize that the big multinational broadcasters such as BBC and CNN are not interested in infrastructure like Chinese but they are coming as content providers. I hope we do not fight that they are exerting influence.

This is why I will want to focus our energies in creating regional influence through ICT. Egypt has been trying this by paying for African countries to attend their events. Unfortunately, their strategy is not complete. Often when we go there on paid trips we end up visiting the pyramids. They still cannot articulate what to do with Africa. You will think that as they go through the crisis this spending will stop. No. On my desk still I have an invitation for September 4th. Rwanda too tried to exert the influence but they lacked resources to a sustained engagement.

Let us utilize our highly educated unemployed youth for positive regional change through content creation. We have enough business and art graduates. lets move with a purpose.

One Kenya. Keep hope alive.

Ndemo.

...

Bwana Ndemo,

For innovation and "thinking without the box" (new phrase)...we give that to you. You have shown "you have the spine" to do things differently and defy the norm.

I recall a visit we made with you to CFSK (Computer's for Schools Kenya) to get a deeper understanding of how refurbishment of computers was being done by young innovators. You challenged the young girls and boys to turn the computer monitors (they had planned to ship back to China and elsewhere for metal extraction) into colored TVs! I thought to myself, wow, what a dream!....the next visit I made to CFSK four months later, they had indeed turned those monitor's into colored TVs and were selling them at Ksh 4,000 a piece. From then on I tell people that when Bwana Ndemo gives ideas, I listen very keenly.

Presidential candidates are put to the test in all areas. A question I have for you is to explain (wasi wasi) the recent discussion on China taking over digital signal distribution in Kenya - what became of that debate? has the decision been reversed?

Edith

________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 03 August 2011 05:27 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy? OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo

In summary, Again hypothetically my major themes shall be: Kwowledge for life Infrastructure for Development Food security (including Value addition) Employment (create tons of it)

One Kenya. Unity in diversity. Keep hope a live (borrowed from Rev. Jesse Jackson).

Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Well laudable objectives and very clear milestones. I would really like to see the digitization of government processes especially Kalmyk those that are routinely transactionla e.g renewal of driving licences. I recently spent 3hours in a line at times tower just to hand over some money and be issued a piece of unremarkable paper. Its wasted time and effort. Also decentralization of such services would help in time saving. What about coal mining in ukambani? On Aug 3, 2011 5:28 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

In summary, Again hypothetically my major themes shall be: Kwowledge for life Infrastructure for Development Food security (including Value addition) Employment (create tons of it)

One Kenya. Unity in diversity. Keep hope a live (borrowed from Rev. Jesse Jackson).

Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Gilda, This is easy. When I talked of end to end government, it means we shall have a Public Key Infrastructure in place and intergrated registration system. From birth, smart ID, death permits to KRA all will be intergrated. This will eliminate all those vote when they are dead. Digitalization of all registries will create traceability at all levels. See what has happened at Company Registry. Revenue is up from 30 m to 80 m. You will no longer have temporally registered companies with unknown directors as it happened with Anglo Leasing. Open data means that you will track public expenditure to the last shilling. You will for example know what I have been paid and for what purpose. Of course I also talked about e-procurement and judiciary. With these measures we shall have dealt with 70% of corruption and begin to restore trust in government. After this you can start dealing with the culture which accounts for 30% of corruption. People must see justice and fairness before you change systems. Change is all about trust. We are all inherently corrupt and we are at a stage we can deal with the desease once and for all. The time is now and we must keep hope alive. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:47:54 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy? OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo Dr.Ndemo, Could you provide us with substantial information on how you will use ICT to eliminate corruption taking into account the value change needed in our society? I believe corruption is the main reason this country is not where it should be. Regards, Gilda Quoting bitange@jambo.co.ke:

In summary, Again hypothetically my major themes shall be: Kwowledge for life Infrastructure for Development Food security (including Value addition) Employment (create tons of it)

One Kenya. Unity in diversity. Keep hope a live (borrowed from Rev. Jesse Jackson).

Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Edwin, Application of ICT in the Transport sector will eliminate lots of corruption. First it will give power to mwananchi since via sms you can check if a Matatu has insurance, Road license etc. You can know how mwny traffic offences it has. We are still working on this but a little slow that we expected. It is not easy to push all these projects but we are making progress. Regards Ndemo.

Dkt,

There was a discussion that had started in this forum a while back in streamlining the transport sector. How will you harness ICT as a means to achieving the desired efficiencies in the sector, inclusive of eliminating the "Traffic cop-driver" bad habits?

Edwin

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Gilda, This is easy. When I talked of end to end government, it means we shall have a Public Key Infrastructure in place and intergrated registration system. From birth, smart ID, death permits to KRA all will be intergrated. This will eliminate all those vote when they are dead.

Digitalization of all registries will create traceability at all levels. See what has happened at Company Registry. Revenue is up from 30 m to 80 m. You will no longer have temporally registered companies with unknown directors as it happened with Anglo Leasing.

Open data means that you will track public expenditure to the last shilling. You will for example know what I have been paid and for what purpose. Of course I also talked about e-procurement and judiciary.

With these measures we shall have dealt with 70% of corruption and begin to restore trust in government. After this you can start dealing with the culture which accounts for 30% of corruption. People must see justice and fairness before you change systems. Change is all about trust.

We are all inherently corrupt and we are at a stage we can deal with the desease once and for all. The time is now and we must keep hope alive.

Regards

Ndemo.

Sent from my BlackBerryR

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Dr.Ndemo,

Could you provide us with substantial information on how you will use ICT to

eliminate corruption taking into account the value change needed in our society? I believe corruption is the main reason this country is not where it should be.

Regards,

Gilda

Quoting bitange@jambo.co.ke:

...

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One Kenya. Unity in diversity. Keep hope a live (borrowed from Rev. Jesse Jackson).

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Aki, You now can understand why we need to stop business and general degree programmes. This is why we are more of traders than industrialists. I went to US for studies in the 1980's. In 1987 I was President of International Students at the University of Minnesota. We were 5,000 foreign students in a student population of 120,000. The majority of students were from Malaysia, Taiwan, Singapore and Korea. Of the Asian students, 98% were in engineering courses the remaider were in creative art degree program. These countries became what we call Newly Industrialized Countries (NICs). In economic comparative terms, they were behind Kenya. Today we buy everything from them. They manufactured nothing then. Infact we used to love at the Hyundai Ponny that was first manufactured by Koreans. We now must remove all fees for any student enrolled in science and creative degree programs. The rest can pay. When we started producing more computer graduates, we started seeing application development in Kenya to the extent that the world has started to recognize. Similarly, if we indeed want to industrialize, we must move to science. There are no options. India has just realized this and they are taking jobs from overheating China. Our comparative advatange in this region is the human resource. Let us develop it, support it and guide it to the right direction. Regional influence is what will matter in the days to come. As such we must endeavor to see that Vision 2030 is realized in 2020. This is possible. Regards Ndemo.

Dear Dr Ndemo,

I've quite enjoyed reading this thread and it only re-confirms my belief that we are far more capable than we ever give ourselves credit for. We have the capability to change, but the system has ensured that we do not. However, I'm slightly disappointed that you have not addressed the core issue affecting us and the future outcome. I've read about all the solutions possible and what can be done, I too can assure you that we are far capable of pushing the solutions barrier to achieve much more but how would we want to take kenya from a resellers quick fix market ( import market ) to a creative and export country. At the moment we are all consumers and this is a terrible state of affairs because we are only building vendorships/dealerships.

What are we and where do we want to go? How would you intend to tackle this problem?

Thank you.

Rgds.

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1: Ill jump into this albeit late and begin with a reference to a scriptural parable of the talents in Matthew 25. The moral being that to whom much is given, much is expected and the converse being true. as a rhetorical question (you can answer if you like), have you made maximum use of the two talents you were given to deserve three in round two. 2: It is indeed a positive thing that you would even consider a Ndemo Tosha because in the bigger picture of things, it would be a definate improvement from the status quo. I like that you have Ideas and visions about what can be needed to solve what, ICT indeed might be the holy grail in improving process and equalizing a lot of the bumps that are exploited by uncreative Kenyans for profit. 3: Onto my questions: Between Agriculture, ICT, Infrastructure and Manufacturing, how would you allocate say theoretically a 1trillion budget (just for these) and what would be the justification for leaning to which. The devil would be in the details but a rough estimate would show direction. 4: Mention something about a) somalia, b) Southern sudan, c) EPAs and d) Kyoto viz a viz cheap energy. cheers... On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:31 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Dr Ndemo for the comments.

I'd also like to add that govt policies and programs are the initial catalyst drive because the private sector is what it is i.e. does not fund research or development ( not in Kenya ). And for many decades economic policies have placed favour over import versus local development, we are at a stage today that it would probably takes us another 40-50 years to even design/produce the simplest semi-conductor available on the market today. The same design can be done at University levels in other countries. We are really at a tough place because if we don't fast track with imports, we will get left behind. And if we don't implement long term ways towards core development, we are bound to become literally a "sales,marketing and consultants" country which only has very short term benefits. Today, we give the chance to external partners to help with technology needs and systems, yet we are capable of creating or building upon these given the correct environment. It will be our biggest loss in future if we do not change course and take on the internal development segment with force and commitment. Just as the US identified itself as a major defense exporter economy thereby creating most of the advance systems-engineers-mulit-million dollar industries--highly educated employment, I think we also need to define what we want to do and how to get there.

Starting at Sciences is really good, but would you kindly add what esle would be the catalysts towards creating and sustaining internal development?

Thank you.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:43 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

...

Aki, You now can understand why we need to stop business and general degree programmes. This is why we are more of traders than industrialists. I went to US for studies in the 1980's. In 1987 I was President of International Students at the University of Minnesota. We were 5,000 foreign students in a student population of 120,000. The majority of students were from Malaysia, Taiwan, Singapore and Korea. Of the Asian students, 98% were in engineering courses the remaider were in creative art degree program.

These countries became what we call Newly Industrialized Countries (NICs). In economic comparative terms, they were behind Kenya. Today we buy everything from them. They manufactured nothing then. Infact we used to love at the Hyundai Ponny that was first manufactured by Koreans.

We now must remove all fees for any student enrolled in science and creative degree programs. The rest can pay. When we started producing more computer graduates, we started seeing application development in Kenya to the extent that the world has started to recognize. Similarly, if we indeed want to industrialize, we must move to science. There are no options.

India has just realized this and they are taking jobs from overheating China. Our comparative advatange in this region is the human resource. Let us develop it, support it and guide it to the right direction. Regional influence is what will matter in the days to come. As such we must endeavor to see that Vision 2030 is realized in 2020. This is possible.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Dear Dr. Ndemo,

4. This energy thing is critical. The technology on Coal has greatly improved that you can have clean coal. We must at least do 5,000 MW from this source for us to catch up. We also must step up geothermal to fully exploit the green energy available. In Northern Kenya we can use wind energy since it is naturally available.

On the outset your plan to put 50% on agriculture and 40% on manufacturing is spot on. My interest here is to enlighten you on energy, if you allow. Lets start with a story. 14 years ago while in Hungary I learnt that they generated more than 45% of their electricity from nuclear power plants and it was the duty of the government to install electricity in any habitable home (where human beings were living and residing in). For return and appreciation the citizen so provided with electricity paid per month an equivalent of a loaf of bread! If now less than kshs. 50. That aside on the caption above. V2030 is a non starter without affordable, quality and sufficient electricity which currently constitutes wood fuel and other biomass accounting for about 68% of the total primary energy consumption followed by petroleum at 22%, electricity at 9% and others including coal at about less than 1%. Solar energy is extensively used for drying and to some extent for heating and lighting, the latter mainly by middle class Kenyans. On electricity alone, we have the Least Cost Power Development Plan which is its 2011-2031 outlook aims to have in excess of 18,000 MW of which nuclear share will be 4,000 MW. We have geothermal potential of 7,000 MW and hence assuming we step up its utilization from the current 210 MW we would still have a shortfall on the aim of generating 18,000 MW. Our coal may give us 2,000 MW. To increase we would have to import coal and hence aim having coal powered coal plants at the coast. Its true technologies for clean coal burning are available but the moment you apply them cost of electricity production goes higher and hence it (coal) loses its competitiveness against nuclear and burning oil. All countries on earth that have industrialized burnt gas, oil, coal and utilized nuclear for base load i.e. 24/7 all year round assured ,quality and sustained availability of electricity. Wind, solar and hydro although cheaper in the short term they are not available throughout, and hence are not reliable for industrial needs (but they can go a long way in peaking arrangement i.e. taking the load off the grid when used in households, offices that are constructed in future enabling utilization of natural lighting and installing solar panels etc.). Imagine a nuclear power plant at Isiolo (or there abouts). With cheap electricity one can pump water from Arthi and Tana river in the former North Eastern Province and irrigate land; produce from the farming would enable good health from eating well and setting of value addition industries meeting your aim of 50% on agriculture and 40% on manufacturing.\ Currently electrification rate in Kenya is 15% (47% in Nairobi and less than 2% in most rural Kenya), 50% in Cameroon and Nigeria, 65% in Ghana, 70% in South Africa, 98% in Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Libya! We need to stop comparing our electrification rate with Somali, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi who are all below 15%! Kind regards, David On 8/4/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Collins, 1. We are in the same boat with strong winds. I am simply saying what many people have said and we did not listen. In 1989 I made a proposal to the Kenya Government on how we could independent. The highlights of the proposal was to focus on modernizing agriculture through mechanization and setting aside large tracks of land where we could take advantage of economies of scale. I said our future food security would be in threat due to climatic changes. I said that land sub division should be halted and start rural urbanization to create land for agriculture. My thesis then and now was that subsistence farming was undermining economic growth.

In my report I likened our situation with Switzerland. Switzerland has a population of 8 million in an area of 15,940 square miles (size of Central Province of Kenya). From here they it feeds her population and sends the surplus to Africa. Further I said we were wasting a lot of money in Tourism to entertain just a few people.

You can prove me right today but then I spent my entire holiday moving from one office to another trying to explain what would be a problem in my country. Eventually I sat down with the then Director of Political Affairs in the Ministry of Foreugn Affairs. He simply told me "young man you can go back to your USA here you are going to waste your time".

2. We are all creative in a way and really thank you for supporting my "candidacy".

3. 50% on agriculture then 40% manufacturing. ICT does not need a lot of money to implement. On average most countries spend 6% of their annual budget on ICTs.

4. This energy thing is critical. The technology on Coal has greatly improved that you can have clean coal. We must at least do 5,000 MW from this source for us to catch up. We also must step up geothermal to fully exploit the green energy available. In Northern Kenya we can use wind energy since it is naturally available.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

1: Ill jump into this albeit late and begin with a reference to a scriptural parable of the talents in Matthew 25. The moral being that to whom much is given, much is expected and the converse being true. as a rhetorical question (you can answer if you like), have you made maximum use of the two talents you were given to deserve three in round two.

2: It is indeed a positive thing that you would even consider a Ndemo Tosha because in the bigger picture of things, it would be a definate improvement from the status quo. I like that you have Ideas and visions about what can be needed to solve what, ICT indeed might be the holy grail in improving process and equalizing a lot of the bumps that are exploited by uncreative Kenyans for profit.

3: Onto my questions: Between Agriculture, ICT, Infrastructure and Manufacturing, how would you allocate say theoretically a 1trillion budget (just for these) and what would be the justification for leaning to which. The devil would be in the details but a rough estimate would show direction.

4: Mention something about a) somalia, b) Southern sudan, c) EPAs and d) Kyoto viz a viz cheap energy.

cheers...

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:31 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thank you Dr Ndemo for the comments.

I'd also like to add that govt policies and programs are the initial catalyst drive because the private sector is what it is i.e. does not fund research or development ( not in Kenya ). And for many decades economic policies have placed favour over import versus local development, we are at a stage today that it would probably takes us another 40-50 years to even design/produce the simplest semi-conductor available on the market today. The same design can be done at University levels in other countries. We are really at a tough place because if we don't fast track with imports, we will get left behind. And if we don't implement long term ways towards core development, we are bound to become literally a "sales,marketing and consultants" country which only has very short term benefits. Today, we give the chance to external partners to help with technology needs and systems, yet we are capable of creating or building upon these given the correct environment. It will be our biggest loss in future if we do not change course and take on the internal development segment with force and commitment. Just as the US identified itself as a major defense exporter economy thereby creating most of the advance systems-engineers-mulit-million dollar industries--highly educated employment, I think we also need to define what we want to do and how to get there.

Starting at Sciences is really good, but would you kindly add what esle would be the catalysts towards creating and sustaining internal development?

Thank you.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:43 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

...

Aki, You now can understand why we need to stop business and general degree programmes. This is why we are more of traders than industrialists. I went to US for studies in the 1980's. In 1987 I was President of International Students at the University of Minnesota. We were 5,000 foreign students in a student population of 120,000. The majority of students were from Malaysia, Taiwan, Singapore and Korea. Of the Asian students, 98% were in engineering courses the remaider were in creative art degree program.

These countries became what we call Newly Industrialized Countries (NICs). In economic comparative terms, they were behind Kenya. Today we buy everything from them. They manufactured nothing then. Infact we used to love at the Hyundai Ponny that was first manufactured by Koreans.

We now must remove all fees for any student enrolled in science and creative degree programs. The rest can pay. When we started producing more computer graduates, we started seeing application development in Kenya to the extent that the world has started to recognize. Similarly, if we indeed want to industrialize, we must move to science. There are no options.

India has just realized this and they are taking jobs from overheating China. Our comparative advatange in this region is the human resource. Let us develop it, support it and guide it to the right direction. Regional influence is what will matter in the days to come. As such we must endeavor to see that Vision 2030 is realized in 2020. This is possible.

Regards

Ndemo.

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David indeed the power issue does strike close home, i however have a different outlook on this. In as far as electricity is concerned in Kenya, we should first strive to avail power at all costs, which is what we have been doing since independence. However this is a strategy that should only aply to domestic consumers. For Manufacturing and vision 2030, The Objective should be First Cheap, Then Green. Hence my support for Geothermal, Thermal (Coal , natural gas, etc), Mini Hydro, Biomass (wood fuelled gasifiers) and then maybe wind and solar thermal and photovoltaic. On Nuclear, i believe it would be foolhardy not to appreciate the imact Fukushima Daichi has had on the economy of Japan with the latest being that even this seasons crop of Rice will need to be tested for caesium. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:12 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

David, Thank you. The following statement worries me: Least Cost Power Development Plan which is its 2011-2031 outlook aims to have in excess of 18,000 MW.

There is no medium income country in the world that has less than 40,000 MW. If by 2030 we want to be a medium income country, we must aim at 50,000. Just look at South Africa with 45,000 and still experiencing power outages.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Dear Dr. Ndemo,

...

4. This energy thing is critical. The technology on Coal has greatly improved that you can have clean coal. We must at least do 5,000 MW from this source for us to catch up. We also must step up geothermal to fully exploit the green energy available. In Northern Kenya we can use wind energy since it is naturally available.

On the outset your plan to put 50% on agriculture and 40% on manufacturing is spot on.

My interest here is to enlighten you on energy, if you allow. Lets start with a story. 14 years ago while in Hungary I learnt that they generated more than 45% of their electricity from nuclear power plants and it was the duty of the government to install electricity in any habitable home (where human beings were living and residing in). For return and appreciation the citizen so provided with electricity paid per month an equivalent of a loaf of bread! If now less than kshs. 50.

That aside on the caption above. V2030 is a non starter without affordable, quality and sufficient electricity which currently constitutes wood fuel and other biomass accounting for about 68% of the total primary energy consumption followed by petroleum at 22%, electricity at 9% and others including coal at about less than 1%. Solar energy is extensively used for drying and to some extent for heating and lighting, the latter mainly by middle class Kenyans.

On electricity alone, we have the Least Cost Power Development Plan which is its 2011-2031 outlook aims to have in excess of 18,000 MW of which nuclear share will be 4,000 MW. We have geothermal potential of 7,000 MW and hence assuming we step up its utilization from the current 210 MW we would still have a shortfall on the aim of generating 18,000 MW. Our coal may give us 2,000 MW. To increase we would have to import coal and hence aim having coal powered coal plants at the coast. Its true technologies for clean coal burning are available but the moment you apply them cost of electricity production goes higher and hence it (coal) loses its competitiveness against nuclear and burning oil. All countries on earth that have industrialized burnt gas, oil, coal and utilized nuclear for base load i.e. 24/7 all year round assured ,quality and sustained availability of electricity.

Wind, solar and hydro although cheaper in the short term they are not available throughout, and hence are not reliable for industrial needs (but they can go a long way in peaking arrangement i.e. taking the load off the grid when used in households, offices that are constructed in future enabling utilization of natural lighting and installing solar panels etc.).

Imagine a nuclear power plant at Isiolo (or there abouts). With cheap electricity one can pump water from Arthi and Tana river in the former North Eastern Province and irrigate land; produce from the farming would enable good health from eating well and setting of value addition industries meeting your aim of 50% on agriculture and 40% on manufacturing.\

Currently electrification rate in Kenya is 15% (47% in Nairobi and less than 2% in most rural Kenya), 50% in Cameroon and Nigeria, 65% in Ghana, 70% in South Africa, 98% in Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Libya! We need to stop comparing our electrification rate with Somali, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi who are all below 15%!

Kind regards,

David

On 8/4/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

...

Collins, 1. We are in the same boat with strong winds. I am simply saying what many people have said and we did not listen. In 1989 I made a proposal to the Kenya Government on how we could independent. The highlights of the proposal was to focus on modernizing agriculture through mechanization and setting aside large tracks of land where we could take advantage of economies of scale. I said our future food security would be in threat due to climatic changes. I said that land sub division should be halted and start rural urbanization to create land for agriculture. My thesis then and now was that subsistence farming was undermining economic growth.

In my report I likened our situation with Switzerland. Switzerland has a population of 8 million in an area of 15,940 square miles (size of Central Province of Kenya). From here they it feeds her population and sends the surplus to Africa. Further I said we were wasting a lot of money in Tourism to entertain just a few people.

You can prove me right today but then I spent my entire holiday moving from one office to another trying to explain what would be a problem in my country. Eventually I sat down with the then Director of Political Affairs in the Ministry of Foreugn Affairs. He simply told me "young man you can go back to your USA here you are going to waste your time".

2. We are all creative in a way and really thank you for supporting my "candidacy".

3. 50% on agriculture then 40% manufacturing. ICT does not need a lot of money to implement. On average most countries spend 6% of their annual budget on ICTs.

4. This energy thing is critical. The technology on Coal has greatly improved that you can have clean coal. We must at least do 5,000 MW from this source for us to catch up. We also must step up geothermal to fully exploit the green energy available. In Northern Kenya we can use wind energy since it is naturally available.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

1: Ill jump into this albeit late and begin with a reference to a scriptural parable of the talents in Matthew 25. The moral being that to whom much is given, much is expected and the converse being true. as a rhetorical question (you can answer if you like), have you made maximum use of the two talents you were given to deserve three in round two.

2: It is indeed a positive thing that you would even consider a Ndemo Tosha because in the bigger picture of things, it would be a definate improvement from the status quo. I like that you have Ideas and visions about what can be needed to solve what, ICT indeed might be the holy grail in improving process and equalizing a lot of the bumps that are exploited by uncreative Kenyans for profit.

3: Onto my questions: Between Agriculture, ICT, Infrastructure and Manufacturing, how would you allocate say theoretically a 1trillion budget (just for these) and what would be the justification for leaning to which. The devil would be in the details but a rough estimate would show direction.

4: Mention something about a) somalia, b) Southern sudan, c) EPAs and d) Kyoto viz a viz cheap energy.

cheers...

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:31 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thank you Dr Ndemo for the comments.

I'd also like to add that govt policies and programs are the initial catalyst drive because the private sector is what it is i.e. does not fund research or development ( not in Kenya ). And for many decades economic policies have placed favour over import versus local development, we are at a stage today that it would probably takes us another 40-50 years to even design/produce the simplest semi-conductor available on the market today. The same design can be done at University levels in other countries. We are really at a tough place because if we don't fast track with imports, we will get left behind. And if we don't implement long term ways towards core development, we are bound to become literally a "sales,marketing and consultants" country which only has very short term benefits. Today, we give the chance to external partners to help with technology needs and systems, yet we are capable of creating or building upon these given the correct environment. It will be our biggest loss in future if we do not change course and take on the internal development segment with force and commitment. Just as the US identified itself as a major defense exporter economy thereby creating most of the advance systems-engineers-mulit-million dollar industries--highly educated employment, I think we also need to define what we want to do and how to get there.

Starting at Sciences is really good, but would you kindly add what esle would be the catalysts towards creating and sustaining internal development?

Thank you.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:43 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

...

Aki, You now can understand why we need to stop business and general degree programmes. This is why we are more of traders than industrialists. I went to US for studies in the 1980's. In 1987 I was President of International Students at the University of Minnesota. We were 5,000 foreign students in a student population of 120,000. The majority of students were from Malaysia, Taiwan, Singapore and Korea. Of the Asian students, 98% were in engineering courses the remaider were in creative art degree program.

These countries became what we call Newly Industrialized Countries (NICs). In economic comparative terms, they were behind Kenya. Today we buy everything from them. They manufactured nothing then. Infact we used to love at the Hyundai Ponny that was first manufactured by Koreans.

We now must remove all fees for any student enrolled in science and creative degree programs. The rest can pay. When we started producing more computer graduates, we started seeing application development in Kenya to the extent that the world has started to recognize. Similarly, if we indeed want to industrialize, we must move to science. There are no options.

India has just realized this and they are taking jobs from overheating China. Our comparative advatange in this region is the human resource. Let us develop it, support it and guide it to the right direction. Regional influence is what will matter in the days to come. As such we must endeavor to see that Vision 2030 is realized in 2020. This is possible.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Dr Ndemo, I have a final question on regarding the creation of the High Tech Sector in preparation for Malili. While cheaper rent or infrastructure facilities maybe an additional advantage, I think we are still to find a way to push private sector and govt incentives/policies on creating the High Tech Sector. I believe we are no where at the moment, neither the mobile or web development sectors even come close to becoming the next billion shilling industry sectors. These two sectors are in a transition mode where the demand is for more localised settings. What will the govt do to ensure that kenyan companies start looking at holding patents and developing the needs of external markets based on technology trends. I think the last thing we would want to see is a scenario where kenyans in ICT become more of daily wage labourers on contract basis. While this may seem an ideal employment creation scenario, the results will be negative in the long term. What steps and incentives will create the High Tech Sector companies and will opening up the development of critical govt sectors offer an incentive to create broad based technologies? Thank you. Rgds.

Thank you Dr Ndemo, and will await to read the comprehensive response. :-) On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:45 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

**Aki, Whereas by chance one of the aaplications developed here may become a global brand, we do not want to leave to chance. That is why we are developing centers of excellency, standards and incubators to make sure we part of global standards. There is much learning that we must go through. The reason we should seek to collaborate while guarding our inventions.

As I write, we are working on a digital economy policy. We shall come up with a specific legislation in this emerging sector. Create special incentives that would propel it to greater levels.

We also must deal with Universities inorder to create the triple helix that has worked in many parts of the world. Strathmore is leading in the right direction. We want to fully their patnership with Sumsang and Safaricom. Through such arrangement we create capacities that lead to new other enterprises.

This is an area I have the greatest interest and would want to explore. I am using the annoying Blackberry so please allow me to respond more comprehensively when I get to a real keyboard.

Ndemo.

Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: *aki <aki275@gmail.com> *Date: *Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:13:11 +0300 *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc: *<bitange@jambo.co.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo

Dr Ndemo,

I have a final question on regarding the creation of the High Tech Sector in preparation for Malili. While cheaper rent or infrastructure facilities maybe an additional advantage, I think we are still to find a way to push private sector and govt incentives/policies on creating the High Tech Sector. I believe we are no where at the moment, neither the mobile or web development sectors even come close to becoming the next billion shilling industry sectors. These two sectors are in a transition mode where the demand is for more localised settings.

What will the govt do to ensure that kenyan companies start looking at holding patents and developing the needs of external markets based on technology trends. I think the last thing we would want to see is a scenario where kenyans in ICT become more of daily wage labourers on contract basis. While this may seem an ideal employment creation scenario, the results will be negative in the long term.

What steps and incentives will create the High Tech Sector companies and will opening up the development of critical govt sectors offer an incentive to create broad based technologies?

Thank you.

Rgds.

Aki, We are meeting Konza Technology City possible underwriters (local Banks) on Monday morning 7am at Serena. Please come. Many of the quesions you ask will be answered then you can make a summary for the listers. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 19:45:44 To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving KnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo Dr Ndemo, While we look forward to a comprehensive response on the High Tech Sector/ Malili as soon as you have some time, I believe that you mentioned that completion is about 3 years away. That seems is not a lot of time to get e.g at least 50 companies who have significant turnovers coming close to about Kshs 500 million with a % on exports. I think there may be a need for a review. I already read that IBM super-team is in the country and done some indepth research and assessment into e-Govt, it maybe a good time to ask them to re-access the current trends. Mobile, Web and Social technologiy development platforms trends may only produce slim domestic interest with extremely small turnovers and virtually impossible that either can later contribute to significant economic growth. There could an alternative which would be to look at Comesa/Igad or other markets within our region, create Govt/Private ICT or other sector development action groups to be based at Malili which would also provide Venture Capitalists/Investors an avenue for serious interests. I've had a look at very basic Comesa data, seems Agricultural engineering would do well here. I think JUKAT has the foundations of producing such engineers. However, there is not enough data to full research what Agricultural Engineering and ICT development can do. Also the topic of electricity generation has raised a manufacturing interest. Is any Kenyan company manufacturing the High Voltage Lines insulators ( ceramic/glass based in many cases ) or are we importing these? Each High/Low Power line on every mounted pole needs these isolators. http://knol.google.com/k/overhead-line-insulators Thank you. Rgds. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:54 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Dr Ndemo, and will await to read the comprehensive response. :-)

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:45 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

...

**Aki, Whereas by chance one of the aaplications developed here may become a global brand, we do not want to leave to chance. That is why we are developing centers of excellency, standards and incubators to make sure we part of global standards. There is much learning that we must go through. The reason we should seek to collaborate while guarding our inventions.

As I write, we are working on a digital economy policy. We shall come up with a specific legislation in this emerging sector. Create special incentives that would propel it to greater levels.

We also must deal with Universities inorder to create the triple helix that has worked in many parts of the world. Strathmore is leading in the right direction. We want to fully their patnership with Sumsang and Safaricom. Through such arrangement we create capacities that lead to new other enterprises.

This is an area I have the greatest interest and would want to explore. I am using the annoying Blackberry so please allow me to respond more comprehensively when I get to a real keyboard.

Ndemo.

Sent from my BlackBerry® ------------------------------ *From: *aki <aki275@gmail.com> *Date: *Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:13:11 +0300 *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc: *<bitange@jambo.co.ke> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo

Dr Ndemo,

I have a final question on regarding the creation of the High Tech Sector in preparation for Malili. While cheaper rent or infrastructure facilities maybe an additional advantage, I think we are still to find a way to push private sector and govt incentives/policies on creating the High Tech Sector. I believe we are no where at the moment, neither the mobile or web development sectors even come close to becoming the next billion shilling industry sectors. These two sectors are in a transition mode where the demand is for more localised settings.

What will the govt do to ensure that kenyan companies start looking at holding patents and developing the needs of external markets based on technology trends. I think the last thing we would want to see is a scenario where kenyans in ICT become more of daily wage labourers on contract basis. While this may seem an ideal employment creation scenario, the results will be negative in the long term.

What steps and incentives will create the High Tech Sector companies and will opening up the development of critical govt sectors offer an incentive to create broad based technologies?

Thank you.

Rgds.

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Aki, I wish I knew your full name because you write as if you are in the Konza Team. Nevertheless, you will be happy to know that prospective tenants are exactly what you propose. An agricultural research organization wants a 50 acre campus. Three well established International hospitals want space for research and medical tourism. An International agro processing company want 100 acre campus for its worldwide operations. Two IT companies need laboratories there. Major hotel chains want to establish there. The convention centre is gone to KICC, we shall bid for the Malls because we have more than 10 groups interested, same for the stadium. All this happening even before we advertise. God is simply with us. Back to agriculture. On my way back from Kisii I passed through Transmara and Narok. I was happy and sad at the same time. Happy that we have a bumper harvest here. Maize and wheat in every space you look at. Sad that the farmers are using rudimentary methods to dry and fight afflatoxins. They are incurring heavy losses due to wastage caused by annimals and spillage. They need buyers. We should not entirely blame the Government for a disfunctional supply chain especially now when most of our people are facing startvation. I am one of the people who advocates for non intervention by government when the markets are there. If you look for the so called Private sector, they not in town. They are in Mombasa trying to clear GMO for fgamine relief. On the part of Government, I shall deal with my counterparts tomorrow. These farmers need mordern driers to create uniformity and avoid wastage. It will not cost much to have mobile driers (even though the private sector can do it). I am aware the Government subsidized seed and ferterlizer but farmers being Kenyan lie about this. Will check on this. We have had the best Government leadership in Africa since 2003 but we have refused to take advantage of it and impact our own lives. There will b ecome a time when we shall wish. If you need to sustain the momentum let us talk about my "candidacy". One Kenya. Keep hope a live. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 22:51:49 To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving KnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterviewwith PS Ndemo Dear Dr Ndemo, Thank you very much for the invite and I appreciate it. I do apologise that unfortunately at this time and until I can individually ( these are personal challenges ) comeup with tried and tested/successful technology ideas or solutions that I hope can or will have national or regional impacts, I'd like to keep my involvement on such. However, if at any time soon when there is a creation of e.g. the Konza Technology Action Group which would be a specialised unit of various economic and technology consultants sharing knowledge on regional markets that is going to achieve bringing various goals and targets together, I'd like to participate if any input is needed from me. Í have various knowledge in technology sectors and am going to start to look at agricultural engineering and see what the bridge is between this and e.g. ICT software development. There is a key development area here but I'm missing the links, will share my findings incase they are helpful to those interested in regional goals. Konza seems the island that we may help to move Kenya to the next level. Usually there is brain drain because many in developing countries cannot find avenues to commit their mental capacities within such countries so end up elsewhere. I believe Konza should be a representation of reversing brain drain for many kenyans. I hope someone else will be able to attend and take up the invite opportunity. Thank you. Rgds. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

** Aki, We are meeting Konza Technology City possible underwriters (local Banks) on Monday morning 7am at Serena. Please come. Many of the quesions you ask will be answered then you can make a summary for the listers.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Bwana Ps, First and foremost our condolences, for the loss.... Secondly, I'd really wish to commend the moderator who set this thread off. For once we have a lively healthy debate, modelled alongside the live presidential hopeful debates often times held elsewhere in more mature democracies.This is the way to go and it heralds exciting times ahead. I suppose this forum is so well poised to play a leading role in the National discourse aimed at building a better Kenya. So let's keep this up, and perhaps rope in the other "contenders". But 3rdly, this "Sumptuous" debate is also turning out to be highly educative and hugely informational for most of our silent listeners on the list, who are furiously "taking notes". Dr.Ndemo,many of us are just realizing to our utter amazement how much level of knowledge you possess and are willing to share, and your amount of energy is so infectious, that somehow I in my opinion feel we need not limit you to this forum,but find ways in which we can have you engage an even wider and more larger audience out here especially those from the generation Y segment. Listers any ideas...? Would Townhall style lectures suffice...? Just thinking.. I couldn't help noticing an earlier debate touching on infrastructure and feeding our nation, and in the same vein I have also taken a hard look at the events taking place across our country right now,and the greater horn of Africa,and it would be an understatement when I say it's really infuriating to say the least. It defeats any imagination why after independence, 51 yrs down the line we are not self sufficient in food production, with several corners of the nation marginalized such that even humanitarian aid donated by other well meaning Kenyans can not reach those who need it most because there is no infrastructure such as roads and communication to even talk about in the first place... It's maddening.. How do you plan to balance infrastructural development across the land, to avoid over-concentration in specific zones at the expense of the rest...? At the same time, what kind/quality of advisers would you be looking for to help you shape policy/decision making. A presidency or leadership is just as good or bad as the quality of the courtiers that gather around. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 9:01 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? DrivingKnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterviewwith PS Ndemo Aki, We are meeting Konza Technology City possible underwriters (local Banks) on Monday morning 7am at Serena. Please come. Many of the quesions you ask will be answered then you can make a summary for the listers. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR _____ From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 19:45:44 +0300 To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving KnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo Dr Ndemo, While we look forward to a comprehensive response on the High Tech Sector/ Malili as soon as you have some time, I believe that you mentioned that completion is about 3 years away. That seems is not a lot of time to get e.g at least 50 companies who have significant turnovers coming close to about Kshs 500 million with a % on exports. I think there may be a need for a review. I already read that IBM super-team is in the country and done some indepth research and assessment into e-Govt, it maybe a good time to ask them to re-access the current trends. Mobile, Web and Social technologiy development platforms trends may only produce slim domestic interest with extremely small turnovers and virtually impossible that either can later contribute to significant economic growth. There could an alternative which would be to look at Comesa/Igad or other markets within our region, create Govt/Private ICT or other sector development action groups to be based at Malili which would also provide Venture Capitalists/Investors an avenue for serious interests. I've had a look at very basic Comesa data, seems Agricultural engineering would do well here. I think JUKAT has the foundations of producing such engineers. However, there is not enough data to full research what Agricultural Engineering and ICT development can do. Also the topic of electricity generation has raised a manufacturing interest. Is any Kenyan company manufacturing the High Voltage Lines insulators ( ceramic/glass based in many cases ) or are we importing these? Each High/Low Power line on every mounted pole needs these isolators. http://knol.google.com/k/overhead-line-insulators Thank you. Rgds. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:54 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you Dr Ndemo, and will await to read the comprehensive response. :-) On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:45 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Aki, Whereas by chance one of the aaplications developed here may become a global brand, we do not want to leave to chance. That is why we are developing centers of excellency, standards and incubators to make sure we part of global standards. There is much learning that we must go through. The reason we should seek to collaborate while guarding our inventions. As I write, we are working on a digital economy policy. We shall come up with a specific legislation in this emerging sector. Create special incentives that would propel it to greater levels. We also must deal with Universities inorder to create the triple helix that has worked in many parts of the world. Strathmore is leading in the right direction. We want to fully their patnership with Sumsang and Safaricom. Through such arrangement we create capacities that lead to new other enterprises. This is an area I have the greatest interest and would want to explore. I am using the annoying Blackberry so please allow me to respond more comprehensively when I get to a real keyboard. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR _____ From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:13:11 +0300 To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo Dr Ndemo, I have a final question on regarding the creation of the High Tech Sector in preparation for Malili. While cheaper rent or infrastructure facilities maybe an additional advantage, I think we are still to find a way to push private sector and govt incentives/policies on creating the High Tech Sector. I believe we are no where at the moment, neither the mobile or web development sectors even come close to becoming the next billion shilling industry sectors. These two sectors are in a transition mode where the demand is for more localised settings. What will the govt do to ensure that kenyan companies start looking at holding patents and developing the needs of external markets based on technology trends. I think the last thing we would want to see is a scenario where kenyans in ICT become more of daily wage labourers on contract basis. While this may seem an ideal employment creation scenario, the results will be negative in the long term. What steps and incentives will create the High Tech Sector companies and will opening up the development of critical govt sectors offer an incentive to create broad based technologies? Thank you. Rgds. -------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by <http://www.mail.jambo.co.ke/> Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"

Good Work.. Are churches not expected to keep their giving (alms) secret except to those who give to the churches? Those of us who love beer, EABL pay for it, those who pay for Christianity do so because it saved them from wasting their lives & families -- more than 10% of their income. If church organizations / images / initiatives are banned / burned in Northern Kenya / Somalia, would it be wise to publicize any church aid given? On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:28 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Harry, Thank you for taking some time to read my views on how we can make our country a better place to live in. Several listers have directly asked me many things off-list. Basically, most of them want me to "share my views", "encourage their folks", "lecture their people", go to their local county or meet professional from their respective counties. I am grateful but will not be able to all this at this time for a simple reason- we are in an election mode and this why.

I have four Individual Social Responsibility (ISR) projects. These projects are in Kisii (where I was born), in Kiambu (where I live), in Nyeri (where I went to school and where my kids go to school) and in Homa Bay (where my close relative got married). While the central Kenya projects have gone well, the Nyanza ones have been a major disappointment. In the Nyanza projects people there say that I am doing this because I will ask them some day to vote for me and as such the projects are considered a bribe. If I expanded to other parts of the country even for speaking missions, it will even impact my projects more.

I have decided to go slow in non performing projects till after the elections. It is difficult to help people but I am happy since the resources I use come from my individual tithing. I stopped giving my 10% to Church since there were no audits and I did not want to rock the boat instead I give directly to projects of choice. God is capable of deciphering my intentions. Every month therefore I set aside between 35,000 and 40,000 for this cause.

In my previous posts I dealt with the resources that Churches have amassed. The Banks will tell you in Nairobi that banking from all manner of Church collections amount to between 3 and 5 billion shillings every Monday morning. This is coming from the poor but they have not parted with even 100 million for hunger in Northern Kenya. In the previous debate some listers took my posting verbatim to NCCK. Later I was asked to address representatives from 150 different churches in Mombasa. I repeated what I had written and urged them to get more involved in social development in this country. We compromised that I go slow on my statements and they will start social enterprises. To date only a handful that have started the social enterprises to help create jobs. We must at all times help raise such issues and be the advocates of the poor not just when we are “candidates”.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Bwana Ps,

First and foremost our condolences, for the loss....

Secondly, I'd really wish to commend the moderator who set this thread off. For once we have a lively healthy debate, modelled alongside the live presidential hopeful debates often times held elsewhere in more mature democracies.This is the way to go and it heralds exciting times ahead. I suppose this forum is so well poised to play a leading role in the National discourse aimed at building a better Kenya. So let's keep this up, and perhaps rope in the other "contenders".

But 3rdly, this "Sumptuous" debate is also turning out to be highly educative and hugely informational for most of our silent listeners on the list, who are furiously "taking notes". Dr.Ndemo,many of us are just realizing to our utter amazement how much level of knowledge you possess and are willing to share, and your amount of energy is so infectious, that somehow I in my opinion feel we need not limit you to this forum,but find ways in which we can have you engage an even wider and more larger audience out here especially those from the generation Y segment. Listers any ideas...? Would Townhall style lectures suffice...? Just thinking..

I couldn't help noticing an earlier debate touching on infrastructure and feeding our nation, and in the same vein I have also taken a hard look at the events taking place across our country right now,and the greater horn of Africa,and it would be an understatement when I say it's really infuriating to say the least. It defeats any imagination why after independence, 51 yrs down the line we are not self sufficient in food production, with several corners of the nation marginalized such that even humanitarian aid donated by other well meaning Kenyans can not reach those who need it most because there is no infrastructure such as roads and communication to even talk about in the first place... It's maddening..

How do you plan to balance infrastructural development across the land, to avoid over-concentration in specific zones at the expense of the rest...?

At the same time, what kind/quality of advisers would you be looking for to help you shape policy/decision making. A presidency or leadership is just as good or bad as the quality of the courtiers that gather around.

Harry

_____

From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 9:01 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? DrivingKnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterviewwith PS Ndemo

Aki, We are meeting Konza Technology City possible underwriters (local Banks) on Monday morning 7am at Serena. Please come. Many of the quesions you ask will be answered then you can make a summary for the listers.

Regards

Ndemo.

Sent from my BlackBerryR

_____

From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 19:45:44 +0300 To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving KnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo

Dr Ndemo,

While we look forward to a comprehensive response on the High Tech Sector/ Malili as soon as you have some time, I believe that you mentioned that completion is about 3 years away. That seems is not a lot of time to get e.g at least 50 companies who have significant turnovers coming close to about Kshs 500 million with a % on exports. I think there may be a need for a review. I already read that IBM super-team is in the country and done some indepth research and assessment into e-Govt, it maybe a good time to ask them to re-access the current trends. Mobile, Web and Social technologiy development platforms trends may only produce slim domestic interest with extremely small turnovers and virtually impossible that either can later contribute to significant economic growth.

There could an alternative which would be to look at Comesa/Igad or other markets within our region, create Govt/Private ICT or other sector development action groups to be based at Malili which would also provide Venture Capitalists/Investors an avenue for serious interests. I've had a look at very basic Comesa data, seems Agricultural engineering would do well here. I think JUKAT has the foundations of producing such engineers. However, there is not enough data to full research what Agricultural Engineering and ICT development can do.

Also the topic of electricity generation has raised a manufacturing interest. Is any Kenyan company manufacturing the High Voltage Lines insulators ( ceramic/glass based in many cases ) or are we importing these? Each High/Low Power line on every mounted pole needs these isolators. http://knol.google.com/k/overhead-line-insulators

Thank you.

Rgds.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:54 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Dr Ndemo, and will await to read the comprehensive response. :-)

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:45 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Aki, Whereas by chance one of the aaplications developed here may become a global brand, we do not want to leave to chance. That is why we are developing centers of excellency, standards and incubators to make sure we part of global standards. There is much learning that we must go through. The reason we should seek to collaborate while guarding our inventions.

As I write, we are working on a digital economy policy. We shall come up with a specific legislation in this emerging sector. Create special incentives that would propel it to greater levels.

We also must deal with Universities inorder to create the triple helix that has worked in many parts of the world. Strathmore is leading in the right direction. We want to fully their patnership with Sumsang and Safaricom. Through such arrangement we create capacities that lead to new other enterprises.

This is an area I have the greatest interest and would want to explore. I am using the annoying Blackberry so please allow me to respond more comprehensively when I get to a real keyboard.

Ndemo.

Sent from my BlackBerryR

_____

From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:13:11 +0300 To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge Economy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo

Dr Ndemo,

I have a final question on regarding the creation of the High Tech Sector in preparation for Malili. While cheaper rent or infrastructure facilities maybe an additional advantage, I think we are still to find a way to push private sector and govt incentives/policies on creating the High Tech Sector. I believe we are no where at the moment, neither the mobile or web development sectors even come close to becoming the next billion shilling industry sectors. These two sectors are in a transition mode where the demand is for more localised settings.

What will the govt do to ensure that kenyan companies start looking at holding patents and developing the needs of external markets based on technology trends. I think the last thing we would want to see is a scenario where kenyans in ICT become more of daily wage labourers on contract basis. While this may seem an ideal employment creation scenario, the results will be negative in the long term.

What steps and incentives will create the High Tech Sector companies and will opening up the development of critical govt sectors offer an incentive to create broad based technologies?

Thank you.

Rgds.

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Listers

We have received requests (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more

time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been

extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors

you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Daktari, Very many Churches are now registered and regulated by the Societies Act. There will always be wolves seeking to tear down churches. If they cannot control or dominate churches (which oppose their evil ways) they will always look for a hostile party, usually the Corrupt State, to terrorize churches. If a church follows what is prescribed for it by Scripture (not by the Corrupt State run by wolves such as Nero, Hitler, Mussolini, Idi Amin, Polygamists, etc) it builds up people (morally), schools (intellectually), hospitals (physically). Were the earliest schools and hospitals in Kisii not founded by Church Missions e.g the SDA? I do not agree with much Adventist doctrine but I do not ignore their good works either. http://www.eau.adventist.org/kendu_hospital.html Once or twice a week the media will get a news worthy report from the police about some wolf in sheep skin sodomizing or defrauding someone. This does change the fact that thousands of positive activities were carried out in or by churches that week. The kind of people who do not know about or care to publicize these positive activities are those who do participate in or care about them. You do not hear about church leaders and members spending the week comforting crime victims or cooking for people to weak or sick to help themselves. More than 80% of people who attend church (occasionally) do not tithe. Most people who attend church give offerings - less than 1% of their income, not tithes. The figures you quoted as church collections are more likely to be monthly, not weekly. Like all other people in the world, Kenyans spend more at lodges, wild parties, bars, night clubs. People must protect their objects / places of pleasure and will not call for these to be audited. (: On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:32 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Muraya, There is an African proverb that goes like "if you take cows to a river and they happen to have stepped in the river, the assumption is that all cows have taken water". Similarly since most churched do not file audited accounts, the assumption is that all of then do not usually do.

Kenyans are suffering in the hands of some churches. If you want to get to my conclusion please sit and watch TV on sunday morning or any evening on digital TV. We must have some sort of regulation. We receive many compaints of many extortions in some of the newer churches. It is a crisis and someone must stand up to help citizens. Why do we rein in on pyramid groups and leave similar extortions in broad daylight.

I must say here that the calm in traditional churches is in some cases due to laid down rules that have been there for centuries. But even them they are bleading. I have been to different churches throughout the country but I never missed to hear caution from priests and pastors whenever there are collections. This is because politics has been entrenched in the church. For posterity and to have respectable leadership in the Church, we must separate Church and State.

Ndemo.

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Daktari, It would be interesting to know how you will tackle vested interests. The best laid plans are usually shot down by people thriving from status quo. Best, Mando Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+mando.opole=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:03:13 To: <mando.opole@gmail.com> Cc: <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mando.opole%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

Observation, Many times on this forum and others we see many ISP/Telco clients complaining about poor service or service providers either not giving SLA agreements or not able to comply to the terms. Among the main reason you will find the failure is mostly at the physical layer (cables and wires) . Many times the ISP claim either sabotage, accidental cuts by construction crew and machinery etc. yet in many cases we find fibre optic cabling either installed poorly on poles or buried under a foot of dirt below a slab along the streets. Would it not be better to plan for design and install proper Telecommunication Facilities, after all are not banking on solid communication infrastructure for ICT in our Vision 2030 moving forward? For instance this would have been a wonderful opportunity to have a proper facility for fibre from Nairobi to Thika and branching off along the way as Chinese firms build-out the highway. I am thinking more along a shared facility that can be easily secured and maintained. Failure to plan for this now I fear will leave us with Data Centres accessed via "strings" running the most cutting edge applications and services :-) Regards, On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:32 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday. I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years. Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development. I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK. Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass. Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead. It is a sacrifice one makes. In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication. We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today’s front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission. If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people. It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act. It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt. Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities. Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of. We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is. We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

We have received requests (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this

one

...

too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Denis, I can assure you that Telcos tried to convince the Ministry of Roads to build ducts along major investments like Thika Road but the best they could do was put a big pipe across in intervals. The model suggested was that this would be a revenue stream for them because Telcos will pay for using the ducts. Well this did not happen!. The problem is the 'Silo' system of working, which Dr Ndemo has tried to persuade his colleagues in Government to shun and begin to open up! Thanks for the launch of 'Open Government Portal' . Until the open system is functional across board, then the benefit of ICT infrastructure will be realized as being a critical part of the operations, whether its Government or privately owned. As citizens in this forum, let's continue highlighting the potential bottlenecks and support the achievement of Vision 2030 Dr Ndemo your efforts are recognized and I will be one of the voters for 'Ndemo for President' ER Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: "Denis G. Wahome" <dwahome@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+evelyn.rono=kdn.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:59:18 To: <evelyn.rono@kdn.co.ke> Cc: <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/evelyn.rono%40kdn.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

@Liko, am not a lawyer but I can tell you once a matter is in court, it would be dangerous to comment on the same - especially for an office like the PS. however, as a layman, I probably may get away with a comment or two. So here is how I see it. 1. Looks like this Mutoro man did indeed walk the talk and sued. 2. Looks like he has won round one and may as well win the next round. 3. HOWEVER, there's really a "new" board in place and therefore 4. If the issue in dispute was that the DGs appointment was irregular due to lack of Board blessing THEN now 5. there's nothing that stops the "new" board from providing the said blessing and HENCE 6. projected end game: DG out for now, DG back later. hmm sound like a computer program - been while since I coded :-( walu. nb: apologies to the GG/Ndemo for the commercial break, plse continue with the Presidential manifesto topics... --- On Thu, 8/11/11, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote: From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 4:49 PM Dr Ndemo Very illuminating thoughts :) Now, tell us what is happening at CCK On 8/11/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday.  I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years.  Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development.  I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK.  Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass.  Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead.  It is a sacrifice one makes.  In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication.  We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today’s front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission.  If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people.  It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act.  It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt.  Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities.  Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of.  We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is.  We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

We have received requests  (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Walu Thanks for the contribution. Daktari has made a very good and very appealing pitch .. But its about what can be done, the Kenya we want... As part of leadership, I would love to hear his views on this issue, am sure Daktari has views, I would like to have them flow On the mailing list .. :) On 8/11/11, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:

@Liko,

am not a lawyer but I can tell you once a matter is in court, it would be dangerous to comment on the same - especially for an office like the PS.

however, as a layman, I probably may get away with a comment or two. So here is how I see it. 1. Looks like this Mutoro man did indeed walk the talk and sued. 2. Looks like he has won round one and may as well win the next round. 3. HOWEVER, there's really a "new" board in place and therefore 4. If the issue in dispute was that the DGs appointment was irregular due to lack of Board blessing THEN now 5. there's nothing that stops the "new" board from providing the said blessing and HENCE 6. projected end game: DG out for now, DG back later.

hmm sound like a computer program - been while since I coded :-(

walu. nb: apologies to the GG/Ndemo for the commercial break, plse continue with the Presidential manifesto topics...

--- On Thu, 8/11/11, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 4:49 PM

Dr Ndemo

Very illuminating thoughts :)

Now, tell us what is happening at CCK

On 8/11/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

...

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday.  I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years.  Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development.  I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK.  Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass.  Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead.  It is a sacrifice one makes.  In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication.  We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today’s front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission.  If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people.  It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act.  It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt.  Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities.  Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of.  We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is.  We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

We have received requests  (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Barrack, Its not illegal to comment unless there is a gag order or you are a party in the case.. On this list, we continue talking about many cases ... Again, I am not a lawyer.. Thanks On 8/12/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

Liko, As Walu suggests, let's avoid commenting on an issue that is before the courts, the law has a very long arm.

On 8/12/11, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Walu

Thanks for the contribution.

Daktari has made a very good and very appealing pitch .. But its about what can be done, the Kenya we want...

As part of leadership, I would love to hear his views on this issue, am sure Daktari has views, I would like to have them flow

On the mailing list ..

:)

On 8/11/11, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

@Liko,

am not a lawyer but I can tell you once a matter is in court, it would be dangerous to comment on the same - especially for an office like the PS.

however, as a layman, I probably may get away with a comment or two. So here is how I see it. 1. Looks like this Mutoro man did indeed walk the talk and sued. 2. Looks like he has won round one and may as well win the next round. 3. HOWEVER, there's really a "new" board in place and therefore 4. If the issue in dispute was that the DGs appointment was irregular due to lack of Board blessing THEN now 5. there's nothing that stops the "new" board from providing the said blessing and HENCE 6. projected end game: DG out for now, DG back later.

hmm sound like a computer program - been while since I coded :-(

walu. nb: apologies to the GG/Ndemo for the commercial break, plse continue with the Presidential manifesto topics...

--- On Thu, 8/11/11, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 4:49 PM

Dr Ndemo

Very illuminating thoughts :)

Now, tell us what is happening at CCK

On 8/11/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

...

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday.  I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years.  Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development.  I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK.  Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass.  Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead.  It is a sacrifice one makes.  In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication.  We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today’s front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission.  If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people.  It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act.  It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt.  Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities.  Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of.  We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is.  We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

We have received requests  (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Dear Dr. Ndemo, This makes great reading.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead. It is a sacrifice one makes.

There are many kinds of leaderships touted nowadays. Transformational, servant, transactional, autocratic, toxic, etc. However, I still subscribe to Paulo Freire for the words below! "True generosity consists precisely in fighting to destroy the causes which nourish false charity. False charity constrains the fearful and subdued, the 'rejects of life,' to extend their trembling hands. True generosity lies in striving so that these hands—whether of individuals or entire peoples—need be extended less and less in supplication, so that more and more they become human hands which work and, working (the) transform (their lives and) the world" What is in () is my additions. Ni hayo tuuu. David On 8/11/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday. I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years. Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development. I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK. Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass. Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead. It is a sacrifice one makes. In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication. We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today’s front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission. If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people. It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act. It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt. Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities. Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of. We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is. We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

We have received requests (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Harry, Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the moment. The difference is how you handle the situation. In Britain the Prime Minister thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on at home but he was forced to dash home. Before I respond to how we take care of our crisis, I felt there is a patriotism lesson that we need to learn from Britain. The first reports we got in our News papers here and even in electronic media, there was no cause of the crisis in Britain. It was simply reported that London is burning. Some of our best media houses with so many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when, why, etc. This would have helped us understand. This is because the British Media (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their country’s interests first and everything else is secondary. Does our Media have what they call Kenyan or African interests? If they did, they would have raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora. We shall be more respected if we had the interest of those in the Diaspora at heart be they from Bahamas or Nigeria. How do we respond to our crisis? This should not be a government project. The entire society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings because this where our problems start and will open up greater opportunity and sustained harmony for all humanity. In other countries they make an effort to socially integrate all citizens of different economic classes. Let me elaborate. In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found drinking with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and sometimes you find they are neighbours. It is not common you find a woman with an undergraduate degree married to a plumber for example. We have defined classes that we try everything to belong to. We do not have good plumbers, mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand s looking for white collar jobs. I am sure most of you have watched Cheers. The artists in the bar are a postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a common goal. Where no one thinks or feels they know more than the other. This is the begging of building a harmonious society that no one feels left out. The rift we have created just needs a small thing like shooting a drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose. We must not forget that this happened in China in 1949 when the Maoists took over. They literary killed anybody who seemed to be from upper class. Land reform was the major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural population, around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former landlords were confiscated by the government and subsequently redistributed to the lower-class peasants. Do not forget the French revolution. Discrimination in any form should be shunned. This is because it is the basis of all problems be it class or tribalism. Three of my close friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried to explain. Mr. X got six and eighteen points at O and A levels respectively. At university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and joined the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA. Mr. Y had division II and could not afford high school but went to Kenya Science Teachers to become a teacher. Mr. Z also passed his O levels with Division III and joined Barclays Bank as a Clerical officer. They have struggled in their own ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest. Any time I am with X, he complains why I should even have time for Y and Z. Y by the way has struggled for many years and he will soon get his PhD. According to X these are not our class of people. He loathes Z as one who failed and now possibly has earned his wealth through corrupt means. In spite of the fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he belongs to a different class and hangs around some of the “successful” people. Although I have never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads them to discriminate X from some events. At some point we were four young lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because of differences in the way we led our lives after high school. I hear and see this kind of stories often and make me feel bad about class division in our country. I have had the privilege of deciding who my assistants should be but not once have I ever picked someone because we spoke the same vernacular language. My current office is a living example and after leading by example, all of my senior officers followed suit. This is how we should begin to tackle the problem of tribalism. We also must ensure equitable distribution of resources and start connecting all the counties with roads, energy, water, schools and hospitals. We have already connected fibre optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the pockets that exist. Even with difficult times we have managed to balance infrastructure development to all parts of the country. We shall continue with similar strategies. To achieve my objectives, I take you back to building sustained regional influence and develop the HUB concept in everything here in Kenya. Transportation, ICT, Industrialization, and practically everything Hub. Of course some of our neighbours will feel jealous. This is what we need in a sustained way because it will help galvanize Kenyans against some external “aggressor”. President Museveni used this effectively to get Ugandans behind him when he claimed Migingo as a strategy to get re-elected. Let us do good to the entire East Africa by building the rail up to Goma, Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi. We must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap to access it to all rail destinations. Develop capacity to serve the entire world back offices. From this we shall create a pull effect on our agriculture. Let me not disclose the entire strategy. Regards Ndemo.

Bw Ps,

Thanks for your articulative responses... Indeed looking at events cutting across the globe now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar socio-economic challenges. Bottom line, is how do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this is what makes the huge difference between moving forward purposefully to achieve progress and backpeddling on the other hand.

We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place to ensure a balanced infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of the concentration right now is around the Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest of the country. How about dealing with the great tribalism "monster".

3rdly, what strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream you have.

Harry

-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday. I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years. Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development. I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK. Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass. Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead. It is a sacrifice one makes. In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication. We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today's front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission. If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people. It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act. It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt. Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities. Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of. We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is. We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

We have received requests (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Bw PS, nice insights you have below.  Mine is simply to ask what your thoughts are, in terms of making consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost of bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB (over satellite) but now it has dropped below  500USD per MB.  Basically it has dropped by 10 times - HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of accessing internet is still 1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it was during the satellite days. Mobile data internet which is the more common form of access is not any cheaper either.  There's has been NO  drop per-se, just marketing gimmicks of increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH) price. It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel, but since there has been good rains/harvest, for the same 2,500/= you are free to eat ALL you want...sounds good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/= lunch bracket in the first place - who unfortunately are not many....particularly in an economy whose average monthly income is around 8,000sh. So how do you intend to tackle the internet price problem when you get to be President? walu. --- On Fri, 8/12/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM Harry, Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the moment.  The difference is how you handle the situation.  In Britain the Prime Minister thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on at home but he was forced to dash home.  Before I respond to how we take care of our crisis, I felt there is a patriotism lesson that we need to learn from Britain. The first reports we got in our News papers here and even in electronic media, there was no cause of the crisis in Britain.  It was simply reported that London is burning.  Some of our best media houses with so many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when, why, etc. This would have helped us understand.  This is because the British Media (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their country’s interests first and everything else is secondary.  Does our Media have what they call Kenyan or African interests?  If they did, they would have raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora.  We shall be more respected if we had the interest of those in the Diaspora at heart be they from Bahamas or Nigeria. How do we respond to our crisis?  This should not be a government project. The entire society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings because this where our problems start and will open up greater opportunity and sustained harmony for all humanity.  In other countries they make an effort to socially integrate all citizens of different economic classes. Let me elaborate.  In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found drinking with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and sometimes you find they are neighbours.  It is not common you find a woman with an undergraduate degree married to a plumber for example.  We have defined classes that we try everything to belong to.  We do not have good plumbers, mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand s looking for white collar jobs. I am sure most of you have watched Cheers.  The artists in the bar are a postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a common goal.  Where no one thinks or feels they know more than the other.  This is the begging of building a harmonious society that no one feels left out.  The rift we have created just needs a small thing like shooting a drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose.  We must not forget that this happened in China in 1949 when the Maoists took over.  They literary killed anybody who seemed to be from upper class.  Land reform was the major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural population, around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former landlords were confiscated by the government and subsequently redistributed to the lower-class peasants.  Do not forget the French revolution. Discrimination in any form should be shunned.  This is because it is the basis of all problems be it class or tribalism.    Three of my close friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried to explain.  Mr. X got six and eighteen points at O and A levels respectively.  At university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and joined the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA.  Mr. Y had division II and could not afford high school but went to Kenya Science Teachers to become a teacher.  Mr. Z also passed his O levels with Division III and joined Barclays Bank as a Clerical officer.  They have struggled in their own ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest.  Any time I am with X, he complains why I should even have time for Y and Z.  Y by the way has struggled for many years and he will soon get his PhD.  According to X these are not our class of people.  He loathes Z as one who failed and now possibly has earned his wealth through corrupt means.  In spite of the fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he belongs to a different class and hangs around some of the “successful” people. Although I have never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads them to discriminate X from some events.  At some point we were four young lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because of differences in the way we led our lives after high school.  I hear and see this kind of stories often and make me feel bad about class division in our country. I have had the privilege of deciding who my assistants should be but not once have I ever picked someone because we spoke the same vernacular language.  My current office is a living example and after leading by example, all of my senior officers followed suit.  This is how we should begin to tackle the problem of tribalism.  We also must ensure equitable distribution of resources and start connecting all the counties with roads, energy, water, schools and hospitals.  We have already connected fibre optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the pockets that exist.  Even with difficult times we have managed to balance infrastructure development to all parts of the country.  We shall continue with similar strategies. To achieve my objectives, I take you back to building sustained regional influence and develop the HUB concept in everything here in Kenya. Transportation, ICT, Industrialization, and practically everything Hub. Of course some of our neighbours will feel jealous.   This is what we need in a sustained way because it will help galvanize Kenyans against some external “aggressor”.  President Museveni used this effectively to get Ugandans behind him when he claimed Migingo as a strategy to get re-elected.  Let us do good to the entire East Africa by building the rail up to Goma, Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi.  We must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap to access it to all rail destinations.  Develop capacity to serve the entire world back offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on our agriculture.  Let me not disclose the entire strategy. Regards Ndemo.

Bw Ps,

Thanks for your articulative responses... Indeed looking at events cutting across the globe now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar socio-economic challenges. Bottom line, is how do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this is what makes the huge difference between moving forward purposefully to achieve progress and backpeddling on the other hand.

We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place to ensure a balanced infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of the concentration right now is around the Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest of the country. How about dealing with the great tribalism "monster".

3rdly, what strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream you have.

Harry

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Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday.  I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years.  Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development.  I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK. Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass. Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead.  It is a sacrifice one makes.  In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication.  We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today's front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission.  If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people.  It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act.  It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt.  Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities.  Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of.  We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is.  We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

We have received requests  (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Walubengo, You can dig for your answer in my write up below. This week I had an opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting with investors who wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari and discuss business at the same time. They paid the bill. The one hour flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning. The pilot has been flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many physical changes in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley. I pestered him with many questions. At some point he told me that all the rivers that flow through Central Kenya had crystal clear water in the 7o's and 80's but as farmers encroached on riparian land, soil erosion crept in and now they are all red dragging the best of soils into the Indian Ocean. In spite of several Departments of Geography in our Universities there are little or no studies on the long term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem. We study both human and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but as a means to get papers for employment. A quick research will tell you that we are not only food insecure but also water insecure. Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic meters at 647 is above world average 360, we do not compare well with other progressive countries such as India at 1,911 and China at 2,840. We were better at independence since we had many dams built by the British but are now non-existent. People planted Ndumas in most of the dams. We must now admit we did not know the impact and still we do not know until our academics get down to work on research. Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable land in the country. Per capita arable land in Kenya measures only .14 hectare per person. Here we fall below the world average of .21 hectare per person. The statistic implies the world must manage this resource better in order to feed everybody. The British had started this policy on African reserves sort of rural urbanization. We rightly shunned it but without studies to look into our future. We must re-introduce this with a better name and better housing with all utilities. My research findings on such housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms. In other words we can construct 340,000 households from the Goldenberg loot if we were to recover it. This will translate to all of Northern Kenya from Kacheliba to Wajir. We have about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford to pay for such a house or better. The Government can indeed manage to build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about 40% of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local authority taxes such as rates). Of course there will be other savings from health budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we can eliminate from the face of Kenya. These include water borne diseases. Typhoid alone costs Kenya billions that need to be used to improve the livelihood of our people and meet the constitutional demands. Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not arise if we dammed all the waters that flow into the lake and elsewhere. As for affordable prices for broadband, I have no doubts that we shall meet this even before the end of this year. The shared infrastructure negotiations are going on smoothly. In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE open access program. If we all understand the open access principle where big and small will use the infrastructure at same access cost. More agile companies will indeed provide very competitive pricing. As we move the Government more online, the more the number of internet users meaning we shall reach the critical mass much faster. With the critical mass and many providers, the price can only go downwards. The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is the question of vested interests. I know some sectors have a real problem with this issue and negatively impacts on our economic growth. In our sector we have been lucky in the sense that much of what we do is new and the rapid technological changes discourage power brokers who may entrench themselves to build strong vested interest. This is not to say that we are not often asked to do things differently. Our savior is going to be open government and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept because it has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also impunity in a way. If I had time I could delve into this more. To date I do not think even media has understood this powerful tool. Back to my flight. Coming back I found myself humming Jim Reeves’ song “we thank thee each morning for a new born day ….. we thank thee for the sunshine and air we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that sing, for the eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the birds sing since from above you can see that we have eliminated their habitat – percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2% compared to world average of 31%. We may not see the rivers as they were before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands. Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see. Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste. You simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching 90%. What you see are the sources of many diseases and problems such as the jigger menace in some parts of the country. I grew up fairly poor but we did not have this level of disorganization. At least health officers did something to prevent many diseases. I saw dirty butcheries and restaurants closed by health officers. There was a semblance of planned dukas. Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do not know but this is one of the things “candidate” Ndemo will deal with. In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we want a better future. I know the new constitution has brought all sorts of rights but it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with unplanned population, unplanned urban centers, unplanned future, etc. There must be no rights without responsibility. Ndemo.

Bw PS,

nice insights you have below.  Mine is simply to ask what your thoughts are, in terms of making consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost of bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB (over satellite) but now it has dropped below  500USD per MB.  Basically it has dropped by 10 times - HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of accessing internet is still 1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it was during the satellite days.

Mobile data internet which is the more common form of access is not any cheaper either.  There's has been NO  drop per-se, just marketing gimmicks of increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH) price. It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel, but since there has been good rains/harvest, for the same 2,500/= you are free to eat ALL you want...sounds good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/= lunch bracket in the first place - who unfortunately are not many....particularly in an economy whose average monthly income is around 8,000sh.

So how do you intend to tackle the internet price problem when you get to be President?

walu.

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM

Harry, Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the moment.  The difference is how you handle the situation.  In Britain the Prime Minister thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on at home but he was forced to dash home.  Before I respond to how we take care of our crisis, I felt there is a patriotism lesson that we need to learn from Britain.

The first reports we got in our News papers here and even in electronic media, there was no cause of the crisis in Britain.  It was simply reported that London is burning.  Some of our best media houses with so many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when, why, etc. This would have helped us understand.  This is because the British Media (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their country’s interests first and everything else is secondary.  Does our Media have what they call Kenyan or African interests?  If they did, they would have raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora.  We shall be more respected if we had the interest of those in the Diaspora at heart be they from Bahamas or Nigeria.

How do we respond to our crisis?  This should not be a government project. The entire society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings because this where our problems start and will open up greater opportunity and sustained harmony for all humanity.  In other countries they make an effort to socially integrate all citizens of different economic classes. Let me elaborate.  In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found drinking with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and sometimes you find they are neighbours.  It is not common you find a woman with an undergraduate degree married to a plumber for example.  We have defined classes that we try everything to belong to.  We do not have good plumbers, mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand s looking for white collar jobs.

I am sure most of you have watched Cheers.  The artists in the bar are a postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a common goal.  Where no one thinks or feels they know more than the other.  This is the begging of building a harmonious society that no one feels left out.  The rift we have created just needs a small thing like shooting a drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose.  We must not forget that this happened in China in 1949 when the Maoists took over.  They literary killed anybody who seemed to be from upper class.  Land reform was the major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural population, around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former landlords were confiscated by the government and subsequently redistributed to the lower-class peasants.  Do not forget the French revolution.

Discrimination in any form should be shunned.  This is because it is the basis of all problems be it class or tribalism.    Three of my close friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried to explain.  Mr. X got six and eighteen points at O and A levels respectively.  At university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and joined the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA.  Mr. Y had division II and could not afford high school but went to Kenya Science Teachers to become a teacher.  Mr. Z also passed his O levels with Division III and joined Barclays Bank as a Clerical officer.  They have struggled in their own ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest.  Any time I am with X, he complains why I should even have time for Y and Z.  Y by the way has struggled for many years and he will soon get his PhD.  According to X these are not our class of people.  He loathes Z as one who failed and now possibly has earned his wealth through corrupt means.  In spite of the fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he belongs to a different class and hangs around some of the “successful” people. Although I have never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads them to discriminate X from some events.  At some point we were four young lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because of differences in the way we led our lives after high school.  I hear and see this kind of stories often and make me feel bad about class division in our country.

I have had the privilege of deciding who my assistants should be but not once have I ever picked someone because we spoke the same vernacular language.  My current office is a living example and after leading by example, all of my senior officers followed suit.  This is how we should begin to tackle the problem of tribalism.  We also must ensure equitable distribution of resources and start connecting all the counties with roads, energy, water, schools and hospitals.  We have already connected fibre optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the pockets that exist.  Even with difficult times we have managed to balance infrastructure development to all parts of the country.  We shall continue with similar strategies.

To achieve my objectives, I take you back to building sustained regional influence and develop the HUB concept in everything here in Kenya. Transportation, ICT, Industrialization, and practically everything Hub. Of course some of our neighbours will feel jealous.   This is what we need in a sustained way because it will help galvanize Kenyans against some external “aggressor”.  President Museveni used this effectively to get Ugandans behind him when he claimed Migingo as a strategy to get re-elected.  Let us do good to the entire East Africa by building the rail up to Goma, Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi.  We must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap to access it to all rail destinations.  Develop capacity to serve the entire world back offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on our agriculture.  Let me not disclose the entire strategy.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Bw Ps,

Thanks for your articulative responses... Indeed looking at events cutting across the globe now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar socio-economic challenges. Bottom line, is how do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this is what makes the huge difference between moving forward purposefully to achieve progress and backpeddling on the other hand.

We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place to ensure a balanced infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of the concentration right now is around the Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest of the country. How about dealing with the great tribalism "monster".

3rdly, what strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream you have.

Harry

-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday.  I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years.  Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development.  I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK. Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass. Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead.  It is a sacrifice one makes.  In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication.  We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today's front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission.  If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people.  It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act.  It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt.  Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities.  Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of.  We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is.  We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

We have received requests  (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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William, Today after a game of Tennis, I decided to hang out in the sauna for a while. I was delighted to see a colleague from University of Nairobi and a prominent professor of Biochemistry. There were other three club members. The professor narrated how for the first time in his life time while in Kisumu he had to settle for cat fish and ugali for his lunch on Saturday. There is no Tilapia he said. An Asian businessman originally from Kisumu who sat next to me indeed confirmed that all the fish business is the hands of Somali community which seems to have struck some gold mine in fish. He said noted “real estateb in all major towns is now in their hands too”. The talk drifted into what such enormous resource could do to the country if the resource were to be used to buy our gullible politicians. You could sense the helplessness in the small steamy cubicle. Although others felt that there was a plan being executed by one community to dominate the economy in all major towns of Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can be dangerous and amount to discrimination against another community. I bring these discussions here because there are murmurs all over on the Somali Community spending on property without clear sources of the funds. Until we discuss this matter with open mind, it is disaster we are courting. We are indeed faced with very difficult decisions in this country. There is need to get to the bottom of this matter since we know it will be a problem in future if we do not address it now. A large number of Somali have migrated to Kenya. In other countries such an influx is monitored closely even when there is no threat to state security. I remember in 1983 the Kenyan community in Minnesota numbered about fifteen. By 1987, the community had grown to about 1,000 and eating a lot of corn meal to the extent that it became a major story in US media. Local ABC news reported new immigrant community that has wiped out all the corn meal in the Twin Cities area. We have no account of the characteristics of our new immigrants. This is where ICTs begins to help us manage the development of our people. At every entry, we must take electronic finger prints of every person getting into the country. We must also get a tamper prove ID. This can be done along the lines of the Public Key Infrastructure. We must begin to release land registration records on to the open data platform. This will indeed help trace ill gotten properties that in many ways compromise the ability of local people in affording such properties. Good leadership is a product of informed citizens and embracing a participatory approach. This is how we can move forward together. Keep hope alive. One Kenya. Regards Ndemo

Daktari,

Your story about the trip, environment and lack of planning is truly reflective of the sad situation we find ourselves in. There is also the nostalgia you and the pilot shared over the desecration of the environment. Thanks for jogging memories on certain key facts about the changing environmental conditions.

Janak

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand-internet price? To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:57 PM

Walubengo, You can dig for your answer in my write up below.

This week I had an opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting with investors who wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari and discuss business at the same time.  They paid the bill.  The one hour flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning.  The pilot has been flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many physical changes in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley.  I pestered him with many questions.

At some point he told me that all the rivers that flow through Central Kenya had crystal clear water in the 7o's and 80's but as farmers encroached on riparian land, soil erosion crept in and now they are all red dragging the best of soils into the Indian Ocean.  In spite of several Departments of Geography in our Universities there are little or no studies on the long term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem. We study both human and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but as a means to get papers for employment.

A quick research will tell you that we are not only food insecure but also water insecure.   Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic meters at 647 is above world average 360, we do not compare well with other progressive countries such as India at 1,911 and China at 2,840.  We were better at independence since we had many dams built by the British but are now non-existent.  People planted Ndumas in most of the dams.  We must now admit we did not know the impact and still we do not know until our academics get down to work on research.

Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable land in the country.  Per capita arable land in Kenya measures only .14 hectare per person.  Here we fall below the world average of .21 hectare per person. The statistic implies the world must manage this resource better in order to feed everybody.  The British had started this policy on African reserves sort of rural urbanization.  We rightly shunned it but without studies to look into our future.  We must re-introduce this with a better name and better housing with all utilities.  My research findings on such housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms.  In other words we can construct 340,000 households from the Goldenberg loot if we were to recover it.  This will translate to all of Northern Kenya from Kacheliba to Wajir.

We have about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford to pay for such a house or better.  The Government can indeed manage to build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about 40% of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local authority taxes such as rates).  Of course there will be other savings from health budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we can eliminate from the face of Kenya.  These include water borne diseases.  Typhoid alone costs Kenya billions that need to be used to improve the livelihood of our people and meet the constitutional demands.

Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not arise if we dammed all the waters that flow into the lake and elsewhere.  As for affordable prices for broadband, I have no doubts that we shall meet this even before the end of this year.  The shared infrastructure negotiations are going on smoothly.  In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE open access program.  If we all understand the open access principle where big and small will use the infrastructure at same access cost.  More agile companies will indeed provide very competitive pricing.  As we move the Government more online, the more the number of internet users meaning we shall reach the critical mass much faster.  With the critical mass and many providers, the price can only go downwards.

The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is the question of vested interests.  I know some sectors have a real problem with this issue and negatively impacts on our economic growth.  In our sector we have been lucky in the sense that much of what we do is new and the rapid technological changes discourage power brokers who may entrench themselves to build strong vested interest.  This is not to say that we are not often asked to do things differently.  Our savior is going to be open government and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept because it has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also impunity in a way.  If I had time I could delve into this more.  To date I do not think even media has understood this powerful tool.

Back to my flight.  Coming back I found myself humming Jim Reeves’ song “we thank thee each morning for a new born day ….. we thank thee for the sunshine and air we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that sing, for the eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the birds sing since from above you can see that we have eliminated their habitat – percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2% compared to world average of 31%.  We may not see the rivers as they were before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands.

Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see. Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste.  You simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching 90%.  What you see are the sources of many diseases and problems such as the jigger menace in some parts of the country.   I grew up fairly poor but we did not have this level of disorganization.  At least health officers did something to prevent many diseases.  I saw dirty butcheries and restaurants closed by health officers.  There was a semblance of planned dukas.  Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do not know but this is one of the things “candidate” Ndemo will deal with.

In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we want a better future.  I know the new constitution has brought all sorts of rights but it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with unplanned population, unplanned urban centers, unplanned future, etc.   There must be no rights without responsibility.

Ndemo.

...

Bw PS,

nice insights you have below.  Mine is simply to ask what your thoughts are, in terms of making consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost of bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB (over satellite) but now it has dropped below  500USD per MB.  Basically it has dropped by 10 times - HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of accessing internet is still 1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it was during the satellite days.

Mobile data internet which is the more common form of access is not any cheaper either.  There's has been NO  drop per-se, just marketing gimmicks of increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH) price. It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel, but since there has been good rains/harvest, for the same 2,500/= you are free to eat ALL you want...sounds good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/= lunch bracket in the first place - who unfortunately are not many....particularly in an economy whose average monthly income is around 8,000sh.

So how do you intend to tackle the internet price problem when you get to be President?

walu.

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM

Harry, Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the moment.  The difference is how you handle the situation.  In Britain the Prime Minister thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on at home but he was forced to dash home.  Before I respond to how we take care of our crisis, I felt there is a patriotism lesson that we need to learn from Britain.

The first reports we got in our News papers here and even in electronic media, there was no cause of the crisis in Britain.  It was simply reported that London is burning.  Some of our best media houses with so many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when, why, etc.   This would have helped us understand.  This is because the British Media (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their country’s interests first and everything else is secondary.  Does our Media have what they call Kenyan or African interests?  If they did, they would have raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora.  We shall be more respected if we had the interest of those in the Diaspora at heart be they from Bahamas or Nigeria.

How do we respond to our crisis?  This should not be a government project.   The entire society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings because this where our problems start and will open up greater opportunity and sustained harmony for all humanity.  In other countries they make an effort to socially integrate all citizens of different economic classes. Let me elaborate.  In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found drinking with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and sometimes you find they are neighbours.  It is not common you find a woman with an undergraduate degree married to a plumber for example.  We have defined classes that we try everything to belong to.  We do not have good plumbers, mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand s looking for white collar jobs.

I am sure most of you have watched Cheers.  The artists in the bar are a postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a common goal.  Where no one thinks or feels they know more than the other.  This is the begging of building a harmonious society that no one feels left out.  The rift we have created just needs a small thing like shooting a drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose.  We must not forget that this happened in China in 1949 when the Maoists took over.  They literary killed anybody who seemed to be from upper class.  Land reform was the major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural population, around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former landlords were confiscated by the government and subsequently redistributed to the lower-class peasants.  Do not forget the French revolution.

Discrimination in any form should be shunned.  This is because it is the basis of all problems be it class or tribalism.    Three of my close friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried to explain.  Mr. X got six and eighteen points at O and A levels respectively.  At university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and joined the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA.  Mr. Y had division II and could not afford high school but went to Kenya Science Teachers to become a teacher.  Mr. Z also passed his O levels with Division III and joined Barclays Bank as a Clerical officer.  They have struggled in their own ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest.  Any time I am with X, he complains why I should even have time for Y and Z.  Y by the way has struggled for many years and he will soon get his PhD.  According to X these are not our class of people.  He loathes Z as one who failed and now possibly has earned his wealth through corrupt means.  In spite of the fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he belongs to a different class and hangs around some of the “successful� people. Although I have never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads them to discriminate X from some events.  At some point we were four young lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because of differences in the way we led our lives after high school.  I hear and see this kind of stories often and make me feel bad about class division in our country.

I have had the privilege of deciding who my assistants should be but not once have I ever picked someone because we spoke the same vernacular language.  My current office is a living example and after leading by example, all of my senior officers followed suit.  This is how we should begin to tackle the problem of tribalism.  We also must ensure equitable distribution of resources and start connecting all the counties with roads, energy, water, schools and hospitals.  We have already connected fibre optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the pockets that exist.  Even with difficult times we have managed to balance infrastructure development to all parts of the country.  We shall continue with similar strategies.

To achieve my objectives, I take you back to building sustained regional influence and develop the HUB concept in everything here in Kenya. Transportation, ICT, Industrialization, and practically everything Hub. Of course some of our neighbours will feel jealous.   This is what we need in a sustained way because it will help galvanize Kenyans against some external “aggressor�.  President Museveni used this effectively to get Ugandans behind him when he claimed Migingo as a strategy to get re-elected.  Let us do good to the entire East Africa by building the rail up to Goma, Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi.  We must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap to access it to all rail destinations.  Develop capacity to serve the entire world back offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on our agriculture.  Let me not disclose the entire strategy.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Bw Ps,

Thanks for your articulative responses... Indeed looking at events cutting across the globe now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar socio-economic challenges. Bottom line, is how do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this is what makes the huge difference between moving forward purposefully to achieve progress and backpeddling on the other hand.

We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place to ensure a balanced infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of the concentration right now is around the Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest of the country. How about dealing with the great tribalism "monster".

3rdly, what strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream you have.

Harry

-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday.  I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years.  Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development.  I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK. Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass. Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead.  It is a sacrifice one makes.  In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication.  We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today's front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission.  If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people.  It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act.  It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt.  Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities.  Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of.  We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is.  We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

We have received requests  (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Daktari, I would like to disagree with your proposed approach to dealing with the East African migration that currently seems to be dominated by relatives from Somalia. Your response is a clear sign of Xenophobia like was experienced in South Africa against the Zimbabweans and Kenyans. The holocaust was also precipitated by the continuous verbalising of such sentiments. We all know that nature abhors a vacuum, we have created a vacuum in the business environment which has quickly been filled by mother nature. As a nation we have refused to become professional business people we still look down at those who use the term to describe themselves as we are mainly trained to be clerks which explains the large number of us returning to college to do masters in business administration. Since all of us want to become administrators someone needs to create the businesses for us to administer, initially it was the Asian and now it is the Somalis. The post election violence for a result of such sentiments that a certain ethnic group was taking over a certain region. Let us stop blaming the Somalis for our lack of skills or will to innovate and instead move forward to develop the attitude that will reward the free thinker over the structured imitator. I believe that as a presidential candidate you need to realise that we are not an island and for our citizens to flourish in the other East African countries we must learn to accommodate our neighbours when they are here. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Sun, 14 August, 2011 20:35:06 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand-internet price? William, Today after a game of Tennis, I decided to hang out in the sauna for a while. I was delighted to see a colleague from University of Nairobi and a prominent professor of Biochemistry. There were other three club members. The professor narrated how for the first time in his life time while in Kisumu he had to settle for cat fish and ugali for his lunch on Saturday. There is no Tilapia he said. An Asian businessman originally from Kisumu who sat next to me indeed confirmed that all the fish business is the hands of Somali community which seems to have struck some gold mine in fish. He said noted “real estateb in all major towns is now in their hands too”. The talk drifted into what such enormous resource could do to the country if the resource were to be used to buy our gullible politicians. You could sense the helplessness in the small steamy cubicle. Although others felt that there was a plan being executed by one community to dominate the economy in all major towns of Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can be dangerous and amount to discrimination against another community. I bring these discussions here because there are murmurs all over on the Somali Community spending on property without clear sources of the funds. Until we discuss this matter with open mind, it is disaster we are courting. We are indeed faced with very difficult decisions in this country. There is need to get to the bottom of this matter since we know it will be a problem in future if we do not address it now. A large number of Somali have migrated to Kenya. In other countries such an influx is monitored closely even when there is no threat to state security. I remember in 1983 the Kenyan community in Minnesota numbered about fifteen. By 1987, the community had grown to about 1,000 and eating a lot of corn meal to the extent that it became a major story in US media. Local ABC news reported new immigrant community that has wiped out all the corn meal in the Twin Cities area. We have no account of the characteristics of our new immigrants. This is where ICTs begins to help us manage the development of our people. At every entry, we must take electronic finger prints of every person getting into the country. We must also get a tamper prove ID. This can be done along the lines of the Public Key Infrastructure. We must begin to release land registration records on to the open data platform. This will indeed help trace ill gotten properties that in many ways compromise the ability of local people in affording such properties. Good leadership is a product of informed citizens and embracing a participatory approach. This is how we can move forward together. Keep hope alive. One Kenya. Regards Ndemo

Daktari,

Your story about the trip, environment and lack of planning is truly reflective of the sad situation we find ourselves in. There is also the nostalgia you and the pilot shared over the desecration of the environment. Thanks for jogging memories on certain key facts about the changing environmental conditions.

Janak

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand-internet price? To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:57 PM

Walubengo, You can dig for your answer in my write up below.

This week I had an opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting with investors who wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari and discuss business at the same time. They paid the bill. The one hour flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning. The pilot has been flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many physical changes in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley. I pestered him with many questions.

At some point he told me that all the rivers that flow through Central Kenya had crystal clear water in the 7o's and 80's but as farmers encroached on riparian land, soil erosion crept in and now they are all red dragging the best of soils into the Indian Ocean. In spite of several Departments of Geography in our Universities there are little or no studies on the long term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem. We study both human and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but as a means to get papers for employment.

A quick research will tell you that we are not only food insecure but also water insecure.   Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic meters at 647 is above world average 360, we do not compare well with other progressive countries such as India at 1,911 and China at 2,840. We were better at independence since we had many dams built by the British but are now non-existent. People planted Ndumas in most of the dams. We must now admit we did not know the impact and still we do not know until our academics get down to work on research.

Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable land in the country. Per capita arable land in Kenya measures only .14 hectare per person. Here we fall below the world average of .21 hectare per person. The statistic implies the world must manage this resource better in order to feed everybody. The British had started this policy on African reserves sort of rural urbanization. We rightly shunned it but without studies to look into our future. We must re-introduce this with a better name and better housing with all utilities. My research findings on such housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms. In other words we can construct 340,000 households from the Goldenberg loot if we were to recover it. This will translate to all of Northern Kenya from Kacheliba to Wajir.

We have about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford to pay for such a house or better. The Government can indeed manage to build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about 40% of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local authority taxes such as rates). Of course there will be other savings from health budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we can eliminate from the face of Kenya. These include water borne diseases. Typhoid alone costs Kenya billions that need to be used to improve the livelihood of our people and meet the constitutional demands.

Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not arise if we dammed all the waters that flow into the lake and elsewhere. As for affordable prices for broadband, I have no doubts that we shall meet this even before the end of this year. The shared infrastructure negotiations are going on smoothly. In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE open access program. If we all understand the open access principle where big and small will use the infrastructure at same access cost. More agile companies will indeed provide very competitive pricing. As we move the Government more online, the more the number of internet users meaning we shall reach the critical mass much faster. With the critical mass and many providers, the price can only go downwards.

The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is the question of vested interests. I know some sectors have a real problem with this issue and negatively impacts on our economic growth. In our sector we have been lucky in the sense that much of what we do is new and the rapid technological changes discourage power brokers who may entrench themselves to build strong vested interest. This is not to say that we are not often asked to do things differently. Our savior is going to be open government and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept because it has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also impunity in a way. If I had time I could delve into this more. To date I do not think even media has understood this powerful tool.

Back to my flight. Coming back I found myself humming Jim Reeves’ song “we thank thee each morning for a new born day ….. we thank thee for the sunshine and air we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that sing, for the eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the birds sing since from above you can see that we have eliminated their habitat – percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2% compared to world average of 31%. We may not see the rivers as they were before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands.

Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see. Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste. You simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching 90%. What you see are the sources of many diseases and problems such as the jigger menace in some parts of the country.   I grew up fairly poor but we did not have this level of disorganization. At least health officers did something to prevent many diseases. I saw dirty butcheries and restaurants closed by health officers. There was a semblance of planned dukas. Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do not know but this is one of the things “candidate� Ndemo will deal with.

In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we want a better future. I know the new constitution has brought all sorts of rights but it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with unplanned population, unplanned urban centers, unplanned future, etc.   There must be no rights without responsibility.

Ndemo.

...

Bw PS,

nice insights you have below. Mine is simply to ask what your thoughts are, in terms of making consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost of bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB (over satellite) but now it has dropped below 500USD per MB. Basically it has dropped by 10 times - HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of accessing internet is still 1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it was during the satellite days.

Mobile data internet which is the more common form of access is not any cheaper either. There's has been NO drop per-se, just marketing gimmicks of increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH) price. It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel, but since there has been good rains/harvest, for the same 2,500/= you are free to eat ALL you want...sounds good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/= lunch bracket in the first place - who unfortunately are not many....particularly in an economy whose average monthly income is around 8,000sh.

So how do you intend to tackle the internet price problem when you get to be President?

walu.

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM

Harry, Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the moment. The difference is how you handle the situation. In Britain the Prime Minister thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on at home but he was forced to dash home. Before I respond to how we take care of our crisis, I felt there is a patriotism lesson that we need to learn from Britain.

The first reports we got in our News papers here and even in electronic media, there was no cause of the crisis in Britain. It was simply reported that London is burning. Some of our best media houses with so many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when, why, etc.  This would have helped us understand. This is because the British Media (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their country’s interests first and everything else is secondary. Does our Media have what they call Kenyan or African interests? If they did, they would have raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora. We shall be more respected if we had the interest of those in the Diaspora at heart be they from Bahamas or Nigeria.

How do we respond to our crisis? This should not be a government project.  The entire society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings because this where our problems start and will open up greater opportunity and sustained harmony for all humanity. In other countries they make an effort to socially integrate all citizens of different economic classes. Let me elaborate. In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found drinking with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and sometimes you find they are neighbours. It is not common you find a woman with an undergraduate degree married to a plumber for example. We have defined classes that we try everything to belong to. We do not have good plumbers, mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand s looking for white collar jobs.

I am sure most of you have watched Cheers. The artists in the bar are a postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a common goal. Where no one thinks or feels they know more than the other. This is the begging of building a harmonious society that no one feels left out. The rift we have created just needs a small thing like shooting a drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose. We must not forget that this happened in China in 1949 when the Maoists took over. They literary killed anybody who seemed to be from upper class. Land reform was the major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural population, around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former landlords were confiscated by the government and subsequently redistributed to the lower-class peasants. Do not forget the French revolution.

Discrimination in any form should be shunned. This is because it is the basis of all problems be it class or tribalism.  Three of my close friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried to explain. Mr. X got six and eighteen points at O and A levels respectively. At university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and joined the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA. Mr. Y had division II and could not afford high school but went to Kenya Science Teachers to become a teacher. Mr. Z also passed his O levels with Division III and joined Barclays Bank as a Clerical officer. They have struggled in their own ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest. Any time I am with X, he complains why I should even have time for Y and Z. Y by the way has struggled for many years and he will soon get his PhD. According to X these are not our class of people. He loathes Z as one who failed and now possibly has earned his wealth through corrupt means. In spite of the fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he belongs to a different class and hangs around some of the “successful� people. Although I have never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads them to discriminate X from some events. At some point we were four young lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because of differences in the way we led our lives after high school. I hear and see this kind of stories often and make me feel bad about class division in our country.

I have had the privilege of deciding who my assistants should be but not once have I ever picked someone because we spoke the same vernacular language. My current office is a living example and after leading by example, all of my senior officers followed suit. This is how we should begin to tackle the problem of tribalism. We also must ensure equitable distribution of resources and start connecting all the counties with roads, energy, water, schools and hospitals. We have already connected fibre optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the pockets that exist. Even with difficult times we have managed to balance infrastructure development to all parts of the country. We shall continue with similar strategies.

To achieve my objectives, I take you back to building sustained regional influence and develop the HUB concept in everything here in Kenya. Transportation, ICT, Industrialization, and practically everything Hub. Of course some of our neighbours will feel jealous.   This is what we need in a sustained way because it will help galvanize Kenyans against some external “aggressor�. President Museveni used this effectively to get Ugandans behind him when he claimed Migingo as a strategy to get re-elected. Let us do good to the entire East Africa by building the rail up to Goma, Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi. We must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap to access it to all rail destinations. Develop capacity to serve the entire world back offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on our agriculture. Let me not disclose the entire strategy.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Bw Ps,

Thanks for your articulative responses... Indeed looking at events cutting across the globe now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar socio-economic challenges. Bottom line, is how do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this is what makes the huge difference between moving forward purposefully to achieve progress and backpeddling on the other hand.

We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place to ensure a balanced infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of the concentration right now is around the Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest of the country. How about dealing with the great tribalism "monster".

3rdly, what strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream you have.

Harry

-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday. I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years. Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development. I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK. Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass. Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead. It is a sacrifice one makes. In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication. We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today's front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission. If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people. It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act. It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt. Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities. Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of. We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is. We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

We have received requests (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Hi Harry, It is careless for PS Ndemo to propagate a xenophobic agenda, the fishermen along lake victory never feed the fish and yet they expect the fish to always be there for the picking. When someone invests in a trawler and takes the risk of going into the deeper waters we cry foul. When someone comes to the lake's show and pays fishermen 20% more than the local restaurant owner for the fish we cry foul. When an investor goes to Dubai and brings a large consignment of goods for which he enjoys bulk discounts and then extends the same to the local trader as opposed to the hand luggage stall owner who buys retail in Dubai we cry foul. When a group of investors pull together their resources to build a shopping mall in Eastleigh while bypassing the exploitative banking system we call them pirates and again cry foul. (On average a shopping mall in Eastleigh has over 1000 shareholders) When a faith decides that they will not have illicit drugs and alcohol sold in the vicinity of their places of worship and go ahead to rally resources to buy off such premises and convert them to other types of business we continue to cry foul. We need to stop blaming others for our inaction which is why we keep waiting for the international community to come and solve our issues for us when things get out of hand. The case in hand is the famine that we are being told is rampant in the country yet the food aid could not get through because of floods. "I ask a none rhetorical question, how long does it take for a cow to die from lack of water?" Then suddenly we are all in tears setting up all kinds of funds whose largest contributors are those who could have prevented the famine in the first place such as the media who should have brought the issue to our attention before it become dear but we all know that would never happen because it would have no economic benefit. On the other extreme we have the mobile companies that have refused to provide network into those remote areas which would have made it possible to receive data on the prevailing conditions. Instead of shedding crocodile tears can we look for sustainable solutions, I constantly tell my fellow parishioners of the Christian faith that you give cash and also your talents. It is a Cain tithe when a doctor gives cash just to go to his surgery later and refuse to carry out an operation on a patient who could not raise the full fee. The government will put up an irrigation scheme that will provide food security to over 14,000 families at a cost of Kes. 70 Million imagine what we could do with the Kes. 500 Million conscience fund if it was effectively utilised. Harry, none of the issues raised are as a result of Somalis (note that there are Kenyan Somalis) or any other immigrant community in the country it is all the work of we useless indigenous Kenyans with out "haki yetu" mentality which we have exported to Britain and the USA. Regards "Nili choka kuletewa maindi na mkebe kama kuku ya kufugwa" - A Turukana farmer on why he decided to irrigate his farm and stop depending on handouts http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turkana+drought+farming&aq=f Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Mon, 15 August, 2011 19:07:47 Subject: RE: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to PublicDemand-internet price?  Hey Robert, Perhaps, I could agree with the Ps in part on the need for us to look at what our National interests are in face of such challenges. I believe Governments, world over have in place measures that are legal, and that would automatically trigger a set of checks and balances to ensure that certain socio-economic and political equillibrium is maintained. Some of these measures would be in form of incentives to promote locally driven enterprise & and also touch land/property ownership policies. It would really be foolhardy, for us to close our eyes to this. Some of these measures, I do agree with you need not be varbalized, but however world over, Governments have what we call the "Unspoken Govt policies" to safeguard national interests. Of course we need to balance this with foreign investment. Regards, Harry ________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:02 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to PublicDemand-internet price? Daktari, I would like to disagree with your proposed approach to dealing with the East African migration that currently seems to be dominated by relatives from Somalia. Your response is a clear sign of Xenophobia like was experienced in South Africa against the Zimbabweans and Kenyans. The holocaust was also precipitated by the continuous verbalising of such sentiments. We all know that nature abhors a vacuum, we have created a vacuum in the business environment which has quickly been filled by mother nature. As a nation we have refused to become professional business people we still look down at those who use the term to describe themselves as we are mainly trained to be clerks which explains the large number of us returning to college to do masters in business administration. Since all of us want to become administrators someone needs to create the businesses for us to administer, initially it was the Asian and now it is the Somalis. The post election violence for a result of such sentiments that a certain ethnic group was taking over a certain region. Let us stop blaming the Somalis for our lack of skills or will to innovate and instead move forward to develop the attitude that will reward the free thinker over the structured imitator. I believe that as a presidential candidate you need to realise that we are not an island and for our citizens to flourish in the other East African countries we must learn to accommodate our neighbours when they are here. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Sun, 14 August, 2011 20:35:06 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand-internet price? William, Today after a game of Tennis, I decided to hang out in the sauna for a while. I was delighted to see a colleague from University of Nairobi and a prominent professor of Biochemistry. There were other three club members. The professor narrated how for the first time in his life time while in Kisumu he had to settle for cat fish and ugali for his lunch on Saturday. There is no Tilapia he said. An Asian businessman originally from Kisumu who sat next to me indeed confirmed that all the fish business is the hands of Somali community which seems to have struck some gold mine in fish. He said noted “real estateb in all major towns is now in their hands too”. The talk drifted into what such enormous resource could do to the country if the resource were to be used to buy our gullible politicians. You could sense the helplessness in the small steamy cubicle. Although others felt that there was a plan being executed by one community to dominate the economy in all major towns of Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can be dangerous and amount to discrimination against another community. I bring these discussions here because there are murmurs all over on the Somali Community spending on property without clear sources of the funds. Until we discuss this matter with open mind, it is disaster we are courting. We are indeed faced with very difficult decisions in this country. There is need to get to the bottom of this matter since we know it will be a problem in future if we do not address it now. A large number of Somali have migrated to Kenya. In other countries such an influx is monitored closely even when there is no threat to state security. I remember in 1983 the Kenyan community in Minnesota numbered about fifteen. By 1987, the community had grown to about 1,000 and eating a lot of corn meal to the extent that it became a major story in US media. Local ABC news reported new immigrant community that has wiped out all the corn meal in the Twin Cities area. We have no account of the characteristics of our new immigrants. This is where ICTs begins to help us manage the development of our people. At every entry, we must take electronic finger prints of every person getting into the country. We must also get a tamper prove ID. This can be done along the lines of the Public Key Infrastructure. We must begin to release land registration records on to the open data platform. This will indeed help trace ill gotten properties that in many ways compromise the ability of local people in affording such properties. Good leadership is a product of informed citizens and embracing a participatory approach. This is how we can move forward together. Keep hope alive. One Kenya. Regards Ndemo

Daktari,

Your story about the trip, environment and lack of planning is truly reflective of the sad situation we find ourselves in. There is also the nostalgia you and the pilot shared over the desecration of the environment. Thanks for jogging memories on certain key facts about the changing environmental conditions.

Janak

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand-internet price? To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:57 PM

Walubengo, You can dig for your answer in my write up below.

This week I had an opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting with investors who wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari and discuss business at the same time. They paid the bill. The one hour flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning. The pilot has been flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many physical changes in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley. I pestered him with many questions.

At some point he told me that all the rivers that flow through Central Kenya had crystal clear water in the 7o's and 80's but as farmers encroached on riparian land, soil erosion crept in and now they are all red dragging the best of soils into the Indian Ocean. In spite of several Departments of Geography in our Universities there are little or no studies on the long term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem. We study both human and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but as a means to get papers for employment.

A quick research will tell you that we are not only food insecure but also water insecure.   Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic meters at 647 is above world average 360, we do not compare well with other progressive countries such as India at 1,911 and China at 2,840. We were better at independence since we had many dams built by the British but are now non-existent. People planted Ndumas in most of the dams. We must now admit we did not know the impact and still we do not know until our academics get down to work on research.

Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable land in the country. Per capita arable land in Kenya measures only .14 hectare per person. Here we fall below the world average of .21 hectare per person. The statistic implies the world must manage this resource better in order to feed everybody. The British had started this policy on African reserves sort of rural urbanization. We rightly shunned it but without studies to look into our future. We must re-introduce this with a better name and better housing with all utilities. My research findings on such housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms. In other words we can construct 340,000 households from the Goldenberg loot if we were to recover it. This will translate to all of Northern Kenya from Kacheliba to Wajir.

We have about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford to pay for such a house or better. The Government can indeed manage to build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about 40% of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local authority taxes such as rates). Of course there will be other savings from health budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we can eliminate from the face of Kenya. These include water borne diseases. Typhoid alone costs Kenya billions that need to be used to improve the livelihood of our people and meet the constitutional demands.

Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not arise if we dammed all the waters that flow into the lake and elsewhere. As for affordable prices for broadband, I have no doubts that we shall meet this even before the end of this year. The shared infrastructure negotiations are going on smoothly. In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE open access program. If we all understand the open access principle where big and small will use the infrastructure at same access cost. More agile companies will indeed provide very competitive pricing. As we move the Government more online, the more the number of internet users meaning we shall reach the critical mass much faster. With the critical mass and many providers, the price can only go downwards.

The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is the question of vested interests. I know some sectors have a real problem with this issue and negatively impacts on our economic growth. In our sector we have been lucky in the sense that much of what we do is new and the rapid technological changes discourage power brokers who may entrench themselves to build strong vested interest. This is not to say that we are not often asked to do things differently. Our savior is going to be open government and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept because it has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also impunity in a way. If I had time I could delve into this more. To date I do not think even media has understood this powerful tool.

Back to my flight. Coming back I found myself humming Jim Reeves’ song “we thank thee each morning for a new born day ….. we thank thee for the sunshine and air we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that sing, for the eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the birds sing since from above you can see that we have eliminated their habitat – percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2% compared to world average of 31%. We may not see the rivers as they were before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands.

Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see. Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste. You simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching 90%. What you see are the sources of many diseases and problems such as the jigger menace in some parts of the country.   I grew up fairly poor but we did not have this level of disorganization. At least health officers did something to prevent many diseases. I saw dirty butcheries and restaurants closed by health officers. There was a semblance of planned dukas. Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do not know but this is one of the things “candidate� Ndemo will deal with.

In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we want a better future. I know the new constitution has brought all sorts of rights but it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with unplanned population, unplanned urban centers, unplanned future, etc.   There must be no rights without responsibility.

Ndemo.

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Bw PS,

nice insights you have below. Mine is simply to ask what your thoughts are, in terms of making consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost of bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB (over satellite) but now it has dropped below 500USD per MB. Basically it has dropped by 10 times - HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of accessing internet is still 1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it was during the satellite days.

Mobile data internet which is the more common form of access is not any cheaper either. There's has been NO drop per-se, just marketing gimmicks of increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH) price. It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel, but since there has been good rains/harvest, for the same 2,500/= you are free to eat ALL you want...sounds good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/= lunch bracket in the first place - who unfortunately are not many....particularly in an economy whose average monthly income is around 8,000sh.

So how do you intend to tackle the internet price problem when you get to be President?

walu.

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM

Harry, Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the moment. The difference is how you handle the situation. In Britain the Prime Minister thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on at home but he was forced to dash home. Before I respond to how we take care of our crisis, I felt there is a patriotism lesson that we need to learn from Britain.

The first reports we got in our News papers here and even in electronic media, there was no cause of the crisis in Britain. It was simply reported that London is burning. Some of our best media houses with so many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when, why, etc.  This would have helped us understand. This is because the British Media (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their country’s interests first and everything else is secondary. Does our Media have what they call Kenyan or African interests? If they did, they would have raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora. We shall be more respected if we had the interest of those in the Diaspora at heart be they from Bahamas or Nigeria.

How do we respond to our crisis? This should not be a government project.  The entire society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings because this where our problems start and will open up greater opportunity and sustained harmony for all humanity. In other countries they make an effort to socially integrate all citizens of different economic classes. Let me elaborate. In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found drinking with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and sometimes you find they are neighbours. It is not common you find a woman with an undergraduate degree married to a plumber for example. We have defined classes that we try everything to belong to. We do not have good plumbers, mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand s looking for white collar jobs.

I am sure most of you have watched Cheers. The artists in the bar are a postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a common goal. Where no one thinks or feels they know more than the other. This is the begging of building a harmonious society that no one feels left out. The rift we have created just needs a small thing like shooting a drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose. We must not forget that this happened in China in 1949 when the Maoists took over. They literary killed anybody who seemed to be from upper class. Land reform was the major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural population, around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former landlords were confiscated by the government and subsequently redistributed to the lower-class peasants. Do not forget the French revolution.

Discrimination in any form should be shunned. This is because it is the basis of all problems be it class or tribalism.  Three of my close friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried to explain. Mr. X got six and eighteen points at O and A levels respectively. At university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and joined the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA. Mr. Y had division II and could not afford high school but went to Kenya Science Teachers to become a teacher. Mr. Z also passed his O levels with Division III and joined Barclays Bank as a Clerical officer. They have struggled in their own ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest. Any time I am with X, he complains why I should even have time for Y and Z. Y by the way has struggled for many years and he will soon get his PhD. According to X these are not our class of people. He loathes Z as one who failed and now possibly has earned his wealth through corrupt means. In spite of the fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he belongs to a different class and hangs around some of the “successful� people. Although I have never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads them to discriminate X from some events. At some point we were four young lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because of differences in the way we led our lives after high school. I hear and see this kind of stories often and make me feel bad about class division in our country.

I have had the privilege of deciding who my assistants should be but not once have I ever picked someone because we spoke the same vernacular language. My current office is a living example and after leading by example, all of my senior officers followed suit. This is how we should begin to tackle the problem of tribalism. We also must ensure equitable distribution of resources and start connecting all the counties with roads, energy, water, schools and hospitals. We have already connected fibre optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the pockets that exist. Even with difficult times we have managed to balance infrastructure development to all parts of the country. We shall continue with similar strategies.

To achieve my objectives, I take you back to building sustained regional influence and develop the HUB concept in everything here in Kenya. Transportation, ICT, Industrialization, and practically everything Hub. Of course some of our neighbours will feel jealous.   This is what we need in a sustained way because it will help galvanize Kenyans against some external “aggressor�. President Museveni used this effectively to get Ugandans behind him when he claimed Migingo as a strategy to get re-elected. Let us do good to the entire East Africa by building the rail up to Goma, Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi. We must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap to access it to all rail destinations. Develop capacity to serve the entire world back offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on our agriculture. Let me not disclose the entire strategy.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Bw Ps,

Thanks for your articulative responses... Indeed looking at events cutting across the globe now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar socio-economic challenges. Bottom line, is how do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this is what makes the huge difference between moving forward purposefully to achieve progress and backpeddling on the other hand.

We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place to ensure a balanced infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of the concentration right now is around the Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest of the country. How about dealing with the great tribalism "monster".

3rdly, what strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream you have.

Harry

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Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday. I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years. Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development. I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK. Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass. Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead. It is a sacrifice one makes. In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication. We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today's front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission. If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people. It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act. It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt. Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities. Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of. We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is. We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Listers

We have received requests (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:07 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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Hi Harry, It is careless for PS Ndemo to propagate a xenophobic agenda,

But he wasn't.....he wrote: " Although others felt that there was a plan being executed by one community to dominate the economy in all major towns of Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can be dangerous and amount to discrimination against another community. I bring these discussions here because there are murmurs all over on the Somali Community spending on property without clear sources of the funds. Until we discuss this matter with open mind, it is disaster we are courting."

Sounds like Anti-xenophobia to me! Frist class......

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Mr. Robert, However well you justify entrepreneurship, please don't put a Trawler at lake Victoria. The lake supports thousands of cottage industries, and subsistence fishermen. Millions of Families across East Africa depend on the lake to feed, and educate their children. This greed is what we don't want in out society. Greed that cause unending pain and poverty to villagers. We have seen the Effect that the Tana sugar belt has had to local communities including pastrololists who have depended on the God given natural resource for centuries. And these communities should be protected at all means. Some form of development and entrepreneurship only enrich a few at the expense of the entire society, and the common good. Regards On 16/08/2011, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Harry,

It is careless for PS Ndemo to propagate a xenophobic agenda, the fishermen along lake victory never feed the fish and yet they expect the fish to always be there for the picking.

When someone invests in a trawler and takes the risk of going into the deeper waters we cry foul.

When someone comes to the lake's show and pays fishermen 20% more than the local restaurant owner for the fish we cry foul.

When an investor goes to Dubai and brings a large consignment of goods for which he enjoys bulk discounts and then extends the same to the local trader as opposed to the hand luggage stall owner who buys retail in Dubai we cry foul. When a group of investors pull together their resources to build a shopping mall in Eastleigh while bypassing the exploitative banking system we call them pirates and again cry foul. (On average a shopping mall in Eastleigh has over 1000 shareholders) When a faith decides that they will not have illicit drugs and alcohol sold in the vicinity of their places of worship and go ahead to rally resources to buy off such premises and convert them to other types of business we continue to cry foul.

We need to stop blaming others for our inaction which is why we keep waiting for the international community to come and solve our issues for us when things get out of hand. The case in hand is the famine that we are being told is rampant in the country yet the food aid could not get through because of floods.

"I ask a none rhetorical question, how long does it take for a cow to die from lack of water?"

Then suddenly we are all in tears setting up all kinds of funds whose largest contributors are those who could have prevented the famine in the first place such as the media who should have brought the issue to our attention before it become dear but we all know that would never happen because it would have no economic benefit.

On the other extreme we have the mobile companies that have refused to provide network into those remote areas which would have made it possible to receive data on the prevailing conditions.

Instead of shedding crocodile tears can we look for sustainable solutions, I constantly tell my fellow parishioners of the Christian faith that you give cash and also your talents. It is a Cain tithe when a doctor gives cash just to go to his surgery later and refuse to carry out an operation on a patient who could not raise the full fee.

The government will put up an irrigation scheme that will provide food security to over 14,000 families at a cost of Kes. 70 Million imagine what we could do with the Kes. 500 Million conscience fund if it was effectively utilised.

Harry, none of the issues raised are as a result of Somalis (note that there are Kenyan Somalis) or any other immigrant community in the country it is all the work of we useless indigenous Kenyans with out "haki yetu" mentality which we have exported to Britain and the USA.

Regards

"Nili choka kuletewa maindi na mkebe kama kuku ya kufugwa" - A Turukana farmer on why he decided to irrigate his farm and stop depending on handouts

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turkana+drought+farming&aq=f Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

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Hey Robert,

Perhaps, I could agree with the Ps in part on the need for us to look at what our National interests are in face

of such challenges. I believe Governments, world over have in place measures that are legal, and that would automatically trigger a set of checks and balances to ensure that certain socio-economic and political

equillibrium is maintained. Some of these measures would be in form of incentives to promote locally driven enterprise & and also touch land/property ownership policies.

It would really be foolhardy, for us to close our eyes to this.

Some of these measures, I do agree with you need not be varbalized, but however world over, Governments have what we call the "Unspoken Govt policies" to safeguard national interests. Of course we need to balance this with foreign investment.

Regards, Harry

________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:02 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to PublicDemand-internet price?

Daktari,

I would like to disagree with your proposed approach to dealing with the East African migration that currently seems to be dominated by relatives from Somalia.

Your response is a clear sign of Xenophobia like was experienced in South Africa against the Zimbabweans and Kenyans. The holocaust was also precipitated by the continuous verbalising of such sentiments.

We all know that nature abhors a vacuum, we have created a vacuum in the business environment which has quickly been filled by mother nature. As a nation we have refused to become professional business people we still look down at those who use the term to describe themselves as we are mainly trained to be clerks which explains the large number of us returning to college to do masters in business administration.

Since all of us want to become administrators someone needs to create the businesses for us to administer, initially it was the Asian and now it is the Somalis. The post election violence for a result of such sentiments that a certain ethnic group was taking over a certain region.

Let us stop blaming the Somalis for our lack of skills or will to innovate and instead move forward to develop the attitude that will reward the free thinker over the structured imitator.

I believe that as a presidential candidate you need to realise that we are not an island and for our citizens to flourish in the other East African countries we must learn to accommodate our neighbours when they are here.

Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

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William, Today after a game of Tennis, I decided to hang out in the sauna for a while. I was delighted to see a colleague from University of Nairobi and a prominent professor of Biochemistry. There were other three club members. The professor narrated how for the first time in his life time while in Kisumu he had to settle for cat fish and ugali for his lunch on Saturday. There is no Tilapia he said. An Asian businessman originally from Kisumu who sat next to me indeed confirmed that all the fish business is the hands of Somali community which seems to have struck some gold mine in fish. He said noted “real estateb in all major towns is now in their hands too”.

The talk drifted into what such enormous resource could do to the country if the resource were to be used to buy our gullible politicians. You could sense the helplessness in the small steamy cubicle. Although others felt that there was a plan being executed by one community to dominate the economy in all major towns of Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can be dangerous and amount to discrimination against another community. I bring these discussions here because there are murmurs all over on the Somali Community spending on property without clear sources of the funds. Until we discuss this matter with open mind, it is disaster we are courting.

We are indeed faced with very difficult decisions in this country. There is need to get to the bottom of this matter since we know it will be a problem in future if we do not address it now. A large number of Somali have migrated to Kenya. In other countries such an influx is monitored closely even when there is no threat to state security. I remember in 1983 the Kenyan community in Minnesota numbered about fifteen. By 1987, the community had grown to about 1,000 and eating a lot of corn meal to the extent that it became a major story in US media. Local ABC news reported new immigrant community that has wiped out all the corn meal in the Twin Cities area. We have no account of the characteristics of our new immigrants.

This is where ICTs begins to help us manage the development of our people. At every entry, we must take electronic finger prints of every person getting into the country. We must also get a tamper prove ID. This can be done along the lines of the Public Key Infrastructure. We must begin to release land registration records on to the open data platform. This will indeed help trace ill gotten properties that in many ways compromise the ability of local people in affording such properties.

Good leadership is a product of informed citizens and embracing a participatory approach. This is how we can move forward together.

Keep hope alive. One Kenya.

Regards

Ndemo

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Daktari,

Your story about the trip, environment and lack of planning is truly reflective of the sad situation we find ourselves in. There is also the nostalgia you and the pilot shared over the desecration of the environment. Thanks for jogging memories on certain key facts about the changing environmental conditions.

Janak

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand-internet price? To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:57 PM

Walubengo, You can dig for your answer in my write up below.

This week I had an opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting with investors who wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari and discuss business at the same time. They paid the bill. The one hour flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning. The pilot has been flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many physical changes in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley. I pestered him with many questions.

At some point he told me that all the rivers that flow through Central Kenya had crystal clear water in the 7o's and 80's but as farmers encroached on riparian land, soil erosion crept in and now they are all red dragging the best of soils into the Indian Ocean. In spite of several Departments of Geography in our Universities there are little or no studies on the long term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem. We study both human and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but as a means to get papers for employment.

A quick research will tell you that we are not only food insecure but also water insecure.   Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic meters at 647 is above world average 360, we do not compare well with other progressive countries such as India at 1,911 and China at 2,840. We were better at independence since we had many dams built by the British but are now non-existent. People planted Ndumas in most of the dams. We must now admit we did not know the impact and still we do not know until our academics get down to work on research.

Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable land in the country. Per capita arable land in Kenya measures only .14 hectare per person. Here we fall below the world average of .21 hectare per person. The statistic implies the world must manage this resource better in order to feed everybody. The British had started this policy on African reserves sort of rural urbanization. We rightly shunned it but without studies to look into our future. We must re-introduce this with a better name and better housing with all utilities. My research findings on such housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms. In other words we can construct 340,000 households from the Goldenberg loot if we were to recover it. This will translate to all of Northern Kenya from Kacheliba to Wajir.

We have about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford to pay for such a house or better. The Government can indeed manage to build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about 40% of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local authority taxes such as rates). Of course there will be other savings from health budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we can eliminate from the face of Kenya. These include water borne diseases. Typhoid alone costs Kenya billions that need to be used to improve the livelihood of our people and meet the constitutional demands.

Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not arise if we dammed all the waters that flow into the lake and elsewhere. As for affordable prices for broadband, I have no doubts that we shall meet this even before the end of this year. The shared infrastructure negotiations are going on smoothly. In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE open access program. If we all understand the open access principle where big and small will use the infrastructure at same access cost. More agile companies will indeed provide very competitive pricing. As we move the Government more online, the more the number of internet users meaning we shall reach the critical mass much faster. With the critical mass and many providers, the price can only go downwards.

The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is the question of vested interests. I know some sectors have a real problem with this issue and negatively impacts on our economic growth. In our sector we have been lucky in the sense that much of what we do is new and the rapid technological changes discourage power brokers who may entrench themselves to build strong vested interest. This is not to say that we are not often asked to do things differently. Our savior is going to be open government and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept because it has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also impunity in a way. If I had time I could delve into this more. To date I do not think even media has understood this powerful tool.

Back to my flight. Coming back I found myself humming Jim Reeves’ song “we thank thee each morning for a new born day ….. we thank thee for the sunshine and air we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that sing, for the eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the birds sing since from above you can see that we have eliminated their habitat – percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2% compared to world average of 31%. We may not see the rivers as they were before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands.

Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see. Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste. You simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching 90%. What you see are the sources of many diseases and problems such as the jigger menace in some parts of the country.   I grew up fairly poor but we did not have this level of disorganization. At least health officers did something to prevent many diseases. I saw dirty butcheries and restaurants closed by health officers. There was a semblance of planned dukas. Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do not know but this is one of the things “candidate� Ndemo will deal with.

In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we want a better future. I know the new constitution has brought all sorts of rights but it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with unplanned population, unplanned urban centers, unplanned future, etc.   There must be no rights without responsibility.

Ndemo.

...

Bw PS,

nice insights you have below. Mine is simply to ask what your thoughts are, in terms of making consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost of bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB (over satellite) but now it has dropped below 500USD per MB. Basically it has dropped by 10 times - HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of accessing internet is still 1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it was during the satellite days.

Mobile data internet which is the more common form of access is not any cheaper either. There's has been NO drop per-se, just marketing gimmicks of increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH) price. It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel, but since there has been good rains/harvest, for the same 2,500/= you are free to eat ALL you want...sounds good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/= lunch bracket in the first place - who unfortunately are not many....particularly in an economy whose average monthly income is around 8,000sh.

So how do you intend to tackle the internet price problem when you get to be President?

walu.

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM

Harry, Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the moment. The difference is how you handle the situation. In Britain the Prime Minister thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on at home but he was forced to dash home. Before I respond to how we take care of our crisis, I felt there is a patriotism lesson that we need to learn from Britain.

The first reports we got in our News papers here and even in electronic media, there was no cause of the crisis in Britain. It was simply reported that London is burning. Some of our best media houses with so many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when, why, etc.  This would have helped us understand. This is because the British Media (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their country’s interests first and everything else is secondary. Does our Media have what they call Kenyan or African interests? If they did, they would have raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora. We shall be more respected if we had the interest of those in the Diaspora at heart be they from Bahamas or Nigeria.

How do we respond to our crisis? This should not be a government project.  The entire society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings because this where our problems start and will open up greater opportunity and sustained harmony for all humanity. In other countries they make an effort to socially integrate all citizens of different economic classes. Let me elaborate. In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found drinking with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and sometimes you find they are neighbours. It is not common you find a woman with an undergraduate degree married to a plumber for example. We have defined classes that we try everything to belong to. We do not have good plumbers, mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand s looking for white collar jobs.

I am sure most of you have watched Cheers. The artists in the bar are a postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a common goal. Where no one thinks or feels they know more than the other. This is the begging of building a harmonious society that no one feels left out. The rift we have created just needs a small thing like shooting a drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose. We must not forget that this happened in China in 1949 when the Maoists took over. They literary killed anybody who seemed to be from upper class. Land reform was the major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural population, around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former landlords were confiscated by the government and subsequently redistributed to the lower-class peasants. Do not forget the French revolution.

Discrimination in any form should be shunned. This is because it is the basis of all problems be it class or tribalism.  Three of my close friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried to explain. Mr. X got six and eighteen points at O and A levels respectively. At university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and joined the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA. Mr. Y had division II and could not afford high school but went to Kenya Science Teachers to become a teacher. Mr. Z also passed his O levels with Division III and joined Barclays Bank as a Clerical officer. They have struggled in their own ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest. Any time I am with X, he complains why I should even have time for Y and Z. Y by the way has struggled for many years and he will soon get his PhD. According to X these are not our class of people. He loathes Z as one who failed and now possibly has earned his wealth through corrupt means. In spite of the fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he belongs to a different class and hangs around some of the “successful� people. Although I have never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads them to discriminate X from some events. At some point we were four young lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because of differences in the way we led our lives after high school. I hear and see this kind of stories often and make me feel bad about class division in our country.

I have had the privilege of deciding who my assistants should be but not once have I ever picked someone because we spoke the same vernacular language. My current office is a living example and after leading by example, all of my senior officers followed suit. This is how we should begin to tackle the problem of tribalism. We also must ensure equitable distribution of resources and start connecting all the counties with roads, energy, water, schools and hospitals. We have already connected fibre optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the pockets that exist. Even with difficult times we have managed to balance infrastructure development to all parts of the country. We shall continue with similar strategies.

To achieve my objectives, I take you back to building sustained regional influence and develop the HUB concept in everything here in Kenya. Transportation, ICT, Industrialization, and practically everything Hub. Of course some of our neighbours will feel jealous.   This is what we need in a sustained way because it will help galvanize Kenyans against some external “aggressor�. President Museveni used this effectively to get Ugandans behind him when he claimed Migingo as a strategy to get re-elected. Let us do good to the entire East Africa by building the rail up to Goma, Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi. We must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap to access it to all rail destinations. Develop capacity to serve the entire world back offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on our agriculture. Let me not disclose the entire strategy.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Bw Ps,

Thanks for your articulative responses... Indeed looking at events cutting across the globe now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar socio-economic challenges. Bottom line, is how do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this is what makes the huge difference between moving forward purposefully to achieve progress and backpeddling on the other hand.

We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place to ensure a balanced infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of the concentration right now is around the Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest of the country. How about dealing with the great tribalism "monster".

3rdly, what strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream you have.

Harry

-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday. I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years. Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development. I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK. Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass. Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead. It is a sacrifice one makes. In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication. We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today's front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission. If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people. It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act. It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt. Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities. Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of. We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is. We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Listers

We have received requests (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Hey Bob, A real lot of elementary truths in your post, and it is a challenge to all of us. I choose to look at it from a different angle again. I believe from McTim's correction, and from the experience of 2007/2008 violence, what I suppose the Ps' intent was, is to highlight a topic that often times is mostly discussed in 'murmers' in private amongst ourselves. And as the 'murmers' pick up and spread across our communities like wild fire, naturally some seeds of discord/discontent towards the target group takes root.Then what follows is really true to script.. The politicians seize on this as a platform to campaign on come each election cycle. The ruse obviously seems to work, especially with tens of thousands of unemployed youth easily on call to champion ethnic interests at whatever 'cost'. Those leading are transformed into overnight tribal chieftains, and they strut the landscape like some colossi. Molo clashes have really been a prime example of just how negative anti-tribal/racial animosity can get racheted up for political expediency. Have we ever learned from it? Am not sure we have. But we have to make an effort towards harmonious co-existence. In the final analysis, we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, and we are mortal. (JFK) So how do we deal with this challenge...? This is our real nightmare. However much we may wish to bury our heads in the sand, tribal and racial profiling if left undealt with, will always fester below the surface fanning simmering tensions around us. I think we can borrow a leaf from the U.S President, who chose to confront racism, by dealing with it head-on as a discussion subject. Perhaps, on the other hand, how can ICT help...? Harry _____ From: robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:08 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia Hi Harry, It is careless for PS Ndemo to propagate a xenophobic agenda, the fishermen along lake victory never feed the fish and yet they expect the fish to always be there for the picking. When someone invests in a trawler and takes the risk of going into the deeper waters we cry foul. When someone comes to the lake's show and pays fishermen 20% more than the local restaurant owner for the fish we cry foul. When an investor goes to Dubai and brings a large consignment of goods for which he enjoys bulk discounts and then extends the same to the local trader as opposed to the hand luggage stall owner who buys retail in Dubai we cry foul. When a group of investors pull together their resources to build a shopping mall in Eastleigh while bypassing the exploitative banking system we call them pirates and again cry foul. (On average a shopping mall in Eastleigh has over 1000 shareholders) When a faith decides that they will not have illicit drugs and alcohol sold in the vicinity of their places of worship and go ahead to rally resources to buy off such premises and convert them to other types of business we continue to cry foul. We need to stop blaming others for our inaction which is why we keep waiting for the international community to come and solve our issues for us when things get out of hand. The case in hand is the famine that we are being told is rampant in the country yet the food aid could not get through because of floods. "I ask a none rhetorical question, how long does it take for a cow to die from lack of water?" Then suddenly we are all in tears setting up all kinds of funds whose largest contributors are those who could have prevented the famine in the first place such as the media who should have brought the issue to our attention before it become dear but we all know that would never happen because it would have no economic benefit. On the other extreme we have the mobile companies that have refused to provide network into those remote areas which would have made it possible to receive data on the prevailing conditions. Instead of shedding crocodile tears can we look for sustainable solutions, I constantly tell my fellow parishioners of the Christian faith that you give cash and also your talents. It is a Cain tithe when a doctor gives cash just to go to his surgery later and refuse to carry out an operation on a patient who could not raise the full fee. The government will put up an irrigation scheme that will provide food security to over 14,000 families at a cost of Kes. 70 Million imagine what we could do with the Kes. 500 Million conscience fund if it was effectively utilised. Harry, none of the issues raised are as a result of Somalis (note that there are Kenyan Somalis) or any other immigrant community in the country it is all the work of we useless indigenous Kenyans with out "haki yetu" mentality which we have exported to Britain and the USA. Regards "Nili choka kuletewa maindi na mkebe kama kuku ya kufugwa" - A Turukana farmer on why he decided to irrigate his farm and stop depending on handouts http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turkana+drought+farming <http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turkana+drought+farming&aq=f> &aq=f Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Mon, 15 August, 2011 19:07:47 Subject: RE: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to PublicDemand-internet price?  Hey Robert, Perhaps, I could agree with the Ps in part on the need for us to look at what our National interests are in face of such challenges. I believe Governments, world over have in place measures that are legal, and that would automatically trigger a set of checks and balances to ensure that certain socio-economic and political equillibrium is maintained. Some of these measures would be in form of incentives to promote locally driven enterprise & and also touch land/property ownership policies. It would really be foolhardy, for us to close our eyes to this. Some of these measures, I do agree with you need not be varbalized, but however world over, Governments have what we call the "Unspoken Govt policies" to safeguard national interests. Of course we need to balance this with foreign investment. Regards, Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:02 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to PublicDemand-internet price? Daktari, I would like to disagree with your proposed approach to dealing with the East African migration that currently seems to be dominated by relatives from Somalia. Your response is a clear sign of Xenophobia like was experienced in South Africa against the Zimbabweans and Kenyans. The holocaust was also precipitated by the continuous verbalising of such sentiments. We all know that nature abhors a vacuum, we have created a vacuum in the business environment which has quickly been filled by mother nature. As a nation we have refused to become professional business people we still look down at those who use the term to describe themselves as we are mainly trained to be clerks which explains the large number of us returning to college to do masters in business administration. Since all of us want to become administrators someone needs to create the businesses for us to administer, initially it was the Asian and now it is the Somalis. The post election violence for a result of such sentiments that a certain ethnic group was taking over a certain region. Let us stop blaming the Somalis for our lack of skills or will to innovate and instead move forward to develop the attitude that will reward the free thinker over the structured imitator. I believe that as a presidential candidate you need to realise that we are not an island and for our citizens to flourish in the other East African countries we must learn to accommodate our neighbours when they are here. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Sun, 14 August, 2011 20:35:06 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand-internet price? William, Today after a game of Tennis, I decided to hang out in the sauna for a while. I was delighted to see a colleague from University of Nairobi and a prominent professor of Biochemistry. There were other three club members. The professor narrated how for the first time in his life time while in Kisumu he had to settle for cat fish and ugali for his lunch on Saturday. There is no Tilapia he said. An Asian businessman originally from Kisumu who sat next to me indeed confirmed that all the fish business is the hands of Somali community which seems to have struck some gold mine in fish. He said noted “real estateb in all major towns is now in their hands too”. The talk drifted into what such enormous resource could do to the country if the resource were to be used to buy our gullible politicians. You could sense the helplessness in the small steamy cubicle. Although others felt that there was a plan being executed by one community to dominate the economy in all major towns of Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can be dangerous and amount to discrimination against another community. I bring these discussions here because there are murmurs all over on the Somali Community spending on property without clear sources of the funds. Until we discuss this matter with open mind, it is disaster we are courting. We are indeed faced with very difficult decisions in this country. There is need to get to the bottom of this matter since we know it will be a problem in future if we do not address it now. A large number of Somali have migrated to Kenya. In other countries such an influx is monitored closely even when there is no threat to state security. I remember in 1983 the Kenyan community in Minnesota numbered about fifteen. By 1987, the community had grown to about 1,000 and eating a lot of corn meal to the extent that it became a major story in US media. Local ABC news reported new immigrant community that has wiped out all the corn meal in the Twin Cities area. We have no account of the characteristics of our new immigrants. This is where ICTs begins to help us manage the development of our people. At every entry, we must take electronic finger prints of every person getting into the country. We must also get a tamper prove ID. This can be done along the lines of the Public Key Infrastructure. We must begin to release land registration records on to the open data platform. This will indeed help trace ill gotten properties that in many ways compromise the ability of local people in affording such properties. Good leadership is a product of informed citizens and embracing a participatory approach. This is how we can move forward together. Keep hope alive. One Kenya. Regards Ndemo

Daktari,

Your story about the trip, environment and lack of planning is truly reflective of the sad situation we find ourselves in. There is also the nostalgia you and the pilot shared over the desecration of the environment. Thanks for jogging memories on certain key facts about the changing environmental conditions.

Janak

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand-internet price? To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:57 PM

Walubengo, You can dig for your answer in my write up below.

This week I had an opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting with investors who wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari and discuss business at the same time. They paid the bill. The one hour flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning. The pilot has been flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many physical changes in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley. I pestered him with many questions.

At some point he told me that all the rivers that flow through Central Kenya had crystal clear water in the 7o's and 80's but as farmers encroached on riparian land, soil erosion crept in and now they are all red dragging the best of soils into the Indian Ocean. In spite of several Departments of Geography in our Universities there are little or no studies on the long term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem. We study both human and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but as a means to get papers for employment.

A quick research will tell you that we are not only food insecure but also water insecure.   Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic meters at 647 is above world average 360, we do not compare well with other progressive countries such as India at 1,911 and China at 2,840. We were better at independence since we had many dams built by the British but are now non-existent. People planted Ndumas in most of the dams. We must now admit we did not know the impact and still we do not know until our academics get down to work on research.

Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable land in the country. Per capita arable land in Kenya measures only .14 hectare per person. Here we fall below the world average of .21 hectare per person. The statistic implies the world must manage this resource better in order to feed everybody. The British had started this policy on African reserves sort of rural urbanization. We rightly shunned it but without studies to look into our future. We must re-introduce this with a better name and better housing with all utilities. My research findings on such housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms. In other words we can construct 340,000 households from the Goldenberg loot if we were to recover it. This will translate to all of Northern Kenya from Kacheliba to Wajir.

We have about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford to pay for such a house or better. The Government can indeed manage to build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about 40% of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local authority taxes such as rates). Of course there will be other savings from health budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we can eliminate from the face of Kenya. These include water borne diseases. Typhoid alone costs Kenya billions that need to be used to improve the livelihood of our people and meet the constitutional demands.

Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not arise if we dammed all the waters that flow into the lake and elsewhere. As for affordable prices for broadband, I have no doubts that we shall meet this even before the end of this year. The shared infrastructure negotiations are going on smoothly. In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE open access program. If we all understand the open access principle where big and small will use the infrastructure at same access cost. More agile companies will indeed provide very competitive pricing. As we move the Government more online, the more the number of internet users meaning we shall reach the critical mass much faster. With the critical mass and many providers, the price can only go downwards.

The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is the question of vested interests. I know some sectors have a real problem with this issue and negatively impacts on our economic growth. In our sector we have been lucky in the sense that much of what we do is new and the rapid technological changes discourage power brokers who may entrench themselves to build strong vested interest. This is not to say that we are not often asked to do things differently. Our savior is going to be open government and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept because it has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also impunity in a way. If I had time I could delve into this more. To date I do not think even media has understood this powerful tool.

Back to my flight. Coming back I found myself humming Jim Reeves’ song “we thank thee each morning for a new born day ….. we thank thee for the sunshine and air we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that sing, for the eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the birds sing since from above you can see that we have eliminated their habitat – percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2% compared to world average of 31%. We may not see the rivers as they were before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands.

Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see. Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste. You simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching 90%. What you see are the sources of many diseases and problems such as the jigger menace in some parts of the country.   I grew up fairly poor but we did not have this level of disorganization. At least health officers did something to prevent many diseases. I saw dirty butcheries and restaurants closed by health officers. There was a semblance of planned dukas. Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do not know but this is one of the things “candidate� Ndemo will deal with.

In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we want a better future. I know the new constitution has brought all sorts of rights but it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with unplanned population, unplanned urban centers, unplanned future, etc.   There must be no rights without responsibility.

Ndemo.

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Bw PS,

nice insights you have below. Mine is simply to ask what your thoughts are, in terms of making consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost of bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB (over satellite) but now it has dropped below 500USD per MB. Basically it has dropped by 10 times - HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of accessing internet is still 1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it was during the satellite days.

Mobile data internet which is the more common form of access is not any cheaper either. There's has been NO drop per-se, just marketing gimmicks of increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH) price. It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel, but since there has been good rains/harvest, for the same 2,500/= you are free to eat ALL you want...sounds good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/= lunch bracket in the first place - who unfortunately are not many....particularly in an economy whose average monthly income is around 8,000sh.

So how do you intend to tackle the internet price problem when you get to be President?

walu.

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM

Harry, Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the moment. The difference is how you handle the situation. In Britain the Prime Minister thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on at home but he was forced to dash home. Before I respond to how we take care of our crisis, I felt there is a patriotism lesson that we need to learn from Britain.

The first reports we got in our News papers here and even in electronic media, there was no cause of the crisis in Britain. It was simply reported that London is burning. Some of our best media houses with so many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when, why, etc.  This would have helped us understand. This is because the British Media (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their country’s interests first and everything else is secondary. Does our Media have what they call Kenyan or African interests? If they did, they would have raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora. We shall be more respected if we had the interest of those in the Diaspora at heart be they from Bahamas or Nigeria.

How do we respond to our crisis? This should not be a government project.  The entire society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings because this where our problems start and will open up greater opportunity and sustained harmony for all humanity. In other countries they make an effort to socially integrate all citizens of different economic classes. Let me elaborate. In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found drinking with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and sometimes you find they are neighbours. It is not common you find a woman with an undergraduate degree married to a plumber for example. We have defined classes that we try everything to belong to. We do not have good plumbers, mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand s looking for white collar jobs.

I am sure most of you have watched Cheers. The artists in the bar are a postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a common goal. Where no one thinks or feels they know more than the other. This is the begging of building a harmonious society that no one feels left out. The rift we have created just needs a small thing like shooting a drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose. We must not forget that this happened in China in 1949 when the Maoists took over. They literary killed anybody who seemed to be from upper class. Land reform was the major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural population, around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former landlords were confiscated by the government and subsequently redistributed to the lower-class peasants. Do not forget the French revolution.

Discrimination in any form should be shunned. This is because it is the basis of all problems be it class or tribalism.  Three of my close friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried to explain. Mr. X got six and eighteen points at O and A levels respectively. At university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and joined the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA. Mr. Y had division II and could not afford high school but went to Kenya Science Teachers to become a teacher. Mr. Z also passed his O levels with Division III and joined Barclays Bank as a Clerical officer. They have struggled in their own ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest. Any time I am with X, he complains why I should even have time for Y and Z. Y by the way has struggled for many years and he will soon get his PhD. According to X these are not our class of people. He loathes Z as one who failed and now possibly has earned his wealth through corrupt means. In spite of the fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he belongs to a different class and hangs around some of the “successful� people. Although I have never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads them to discriminate X from some events. At some point we were four young lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because of differences in the way we led our lives after high school. I hear and see this kind of stories often and make me feel bad about class division in our country.

I have had the privilege of deciding who my assistants should be but not once have I ever picked someone because we spoke the same vernacular language. My current office is a living example and after leading by example, all of my senior officers followed suit. This is how we should begin to tackle the problem of tribalism. We also must ensure equitable distribution of resources and start connecting all the counties with roads, energy, water, schools and hospitals. We have already connected fibre optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the pockets that exist. Even with difficult times we have managed to balance infrastructure development to all parts of the country. We shall continue with similar strategies.

To achieve my objectives, I take you back to building sustained regional influence and develop the HUB concept in everything here in Kenya. Transportation, ICT, Industrialization, and practically everything Hub. Of course some of our neighbours will feel jealous.   This is what we need in a sustained way because it will help galvanize Kenyans against some external “aggressor�. President Museveni used this effectively to get Ugandans behind him when he claimed Migingo as a strategy to get re-elected. Let us do good to the entire East Africa by building the rail up to Goma, Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi. We must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap to access it to all rail destinations. Develop capacity to serve the entire world back offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on our agriculture. Let me not disclose the entire strategy.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Bw Ps,

Thanks for your articulative responses... Indeed looking at events cutting across the globe now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar socio-economic challenges. Bottom line, is how do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this is what makes the huge difference between moving forward purposefully to achieve progress and backpeddling on the other hand.

We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place to ensure a balanced infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of the concentration right now is around the Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest of the country. How about dealing with the great tribalism "monster".

3rdly, what strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream you have.

Harry

-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand

Grace, Thank you for extending the debate to Monday. I hope I get time to articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next few years. Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing with our social development. I went ahead and gave examples from the US and UK. Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to pass. Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.

Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead. It is a sacrifice one makes. In this respect, I will seek for advisors who have demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication. We have these people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The constitution has accorded us the opportunity to search for such people. If you read today's front page Standard, it has the requirement for those who want to join the electoral commission. If we follow the requirement to the letter, we shall get credible people. It is this process that lacked before and political operatives took charge in many posts within government.

Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered under Societies Act. It is in the interest of the public that these organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax exempt. Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their activities. Further the state has a responsibility to protect its citizens from being taken advantage of. We cannot burry our heads in the sand on this issue no matter how sensitive it is. We shall also be implementing our constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.

Regards

Ndemo.

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Listers

We have received requests (offline) that we allow "Candidate" Ndemo more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.

This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.

And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)

Listers, let the debate continue.

Rgds GG

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Just a quick update: the Bitange for President now on fb. Rgds GG Mercy Wambui‎"The causes of unemployment are not what you see in text books. It is greed, it is lack of trust among those who represent people's interest, it is lack of vision, it is the minimalist mentality that we have come to embrace. We must move from this hopeless state to greater and collective thinking." Dr. Bitange Ndemo - P.S - Ministry of Information and Communications, Kenya August 11 at 7:11am ·UnlikeLike · You, Muthoni Muriu, Njonjo Mue, Tracey Naughton and 10 others like this. Emmanuel K Bensah Jr yes we must!!! August 11 at 8:13am · LikeUnlike Sherri Ojo Sherri INDEED! August 11 at 8:59am · LikeUnlike Anat Lewin I am a big fan of PS Ndemo. He's truly exceptional. If I were Kenyan, he'd have my vote. August 11 at 9:09am · LikeUnlike Kareem Derrahi He forgot to mention the "corruption" issue... August 11 at 10:22am · LikeUnlike Akinyi Bella Since I am in HR - I think I should "unlike" my "like".... or debate...since "it depends" and he is partially right...in this economy when times are hard and our spirits are indeed low - i embrace his comments - but during the dot.com boom in the US when employees had choices, we were hiring people barely out of school rooms and we were seeking strategies on how to attract and retain employees..that comment would be moot. August 11 at 10:32am · LikeUnlike Jeff Mwanthie ‎.....scarcity mentality... August 11 at 10:33am · LikeUnlike Mercy Wambui ‎Akinyi Bella i took the statement from a long email in which he supports this conclusion.. i will forward it to you... August 11 at 10:45am · LikeUnlike Kim Thuita yeaaaa..Mercy for president..wt u guys say.. August 11 at 10:48am · LikeUnlike Mercy Wambui ‎:-) not really.. August 11 at 11:09am · LikeUnlike Mercy Wambui Ndemo, like others trying to make a change find themselves hitting brick-walls each time.. I am tired of talkers..! August 11 at 11:23am · LikeUnlike · 1 personLillianne Nyawara likes this. Seun Okinbaloye Great word there Mercy Wambui,and you know on our show on NN24;i24reports the issue of unemployment is our focus. This quote will definitely be used on the show's next episode. Can you do me a webcam recording on this with a bit of exposition of the effect of this on the African continent? I will be glad if you can do this for me. August 11 at 1:26pm · LikeUnlike Mercy Wambui ‎Kareem Derrahi he did.. it's in the rather long email .. i only extracted a piece of it. August 12 at 5:32am · LikeUnlike Mercy Wambui ‎Seun Okinbaloye see inbox August 12 at 5:33am · LikeUnlike Mercy Wambui http://www.konzacity.co.ke​/ politics and greed could derail this.. August 12 at 5:51am · LikeUnlike Akinyi Bella Having read the whole article - my question is where is our outrage?!? All these guys running for President, what are like in these situations to ensure Fedex or Boeing are encouraged to set shop in Kenya to create employment???? That is why I sometimes I sometimes take a break from Kenyan politics since I get high blood pressure, watching republicans drives me nuts but watching Kenyans screw up royally ALL the time just makes me.... August 12 at 11:45am · LikeUnlike · 1 personMuthoni Muriu likes this. Mercy Wambui I so hear you!!! Yesterday at 12:18pm · LikeUnlike ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!

From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:10:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com

Harry, Examine Robert's logic through his metaphor of how long a cow takes to die out of hunger. If he meant that we should have seen it coming then he is a master of contradiction.

What is happening around Lake Victoria must be stopped. If indeed this were businessmen, then they need not spend money to silencing politicians. Infact some politicians speak like Robert. "Our people are lazy". This is a grave matter. We cannot fight poverty by telling our people to compete in a 200 meter race when the vistors are starting at 100 meter spot (Capital unlimited) and we cannot vouch on the sources of their immense financial strength.

The impact of excess liquidity in the market affects everyone through inflation and inflated property prices as well as rent. You do not need an economist to tell you this.

I do not blame Robert's puritanical reaction. This is typical of us when we fail to look at a global picture. If it wasn't the fact that the official "campaign" is over I would have spent more time on the economic implications of the issue at hand.

Ndemo.

Michael, If I were you I will head to Kisumu and find out for myself. This will be a wonderful investigative journalist piece. I will suppliment that with some films taken earlier that will make you feel bad about us and how we fuel poverty of our people. You will get more than just evidence. My "campaign" was to raise issues and propose what needs to be done. Instead of putting me on trial, it may be prudent for you to discount my thesis statement. That way you will do a great deal to our fellow Kenyans. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Michael Ouma <benomnta@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:41:36 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: Michael Ouma <benomnta@yahoo.com> Cc: Kictanet<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia Dr Ndemo et al: This is a discussion that needs to continue.  And being part of the media, which this list has of late tended to disparage, I need two clarifications: - Why are there no Tilapia in Lake Victoria from where I come from? - Like Dr Ndemo has said in this post, are the Somali businessmen or "investors" silensing local  politicians and what's the eveidence? Please let the experts in matters fisheries or marine come out and clear the air.   Michael Ouma Journalist Kenya Tel:+254-725-537823 "Do not go where the path may lead, but go instead where there is no path and leave a trail," - Ralph Waldo Emerson

________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: benomnta@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia

Harry, Examine Robert's logic through his metaphor of how long a cow takes to die out of hunger.  If he meant that we should have seen it coming then he is a master of contradiction.

What is happening around Lake Victoria must be stopped.  If indeed this were businessmen, then they need not spend money to silencing politicians. Infact some politicians speak like Robert.  "Our people are lazy".  This is a grave matter.  We cannot fight poverty by telling our people to compete in a 200 meter race when the vistors are starting at 100 meter spot (Capital unlimited) and we cannot vouch on the sources of their immense financial strength.

The impact of excess liquidity in the market affects everyone through inflation and inflated property prices as well as rent.  You do not need an economist to tell you this.

I do not blame Robert's puritanical reaction.  This is typical of us when we fail to look at a global picture.  If it wasn't the fact that the official "campaign" is over I would have spent more time on the economic implications of the issue at hand.

Ndemo.

Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Well said Sam On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:

From what i was taught and is true, an entrepreneur creates an institution and a businessman looks for money. An institution takes care of the several stakeholders in the ecosystem, but a businessman does not have any stakeholder. He/she can create something today get the money and leave tomorrow.

- Why are there no Tilapia in Lake Victoria from where I come from?

I am not a marine expert but i have gone out fishing on a number of occasions, i understand the ecosystem. We have the fishing gear for catching all types of fish in a sustainable manner, when one uses a wrong gear it interferes with the ecosystem. All fish will be caught young, old and the eggs laid. In short you will not have Tilapia and all other fish. The businessman does not care to return to the water the young fish and the eggs.

The businessmen in the lake have introduced a lot of dynamics that needs to be brought out, today it is the fish when that is depleted the businessmen will go for something else.

Sam

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*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia

Dr Ndemo et al:

This is a discussion that needs to continue. And being part of the media, which this list has of late tended to disparage, I need two clarifications:

- Why are there no Tilapia in Lake Victoria from where I come from?

- Like Dr Ndemo has said in this post, are the Somali businessmen or "investors" silensing local politicians and what's the eveidence?

Please let the experts in matters fisheries or marine come out and clear the air.

Michael Ouma Journalist Kenya Tel:+254-725-537823

"Do not go where the path may lead, but go instead where there is no path and leave a trail," - Ralph Waldo Emerson

------------------------------ *From:* "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> *To:* benomnta@yahoo.com *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:10 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia

Harry, Examine Robert's logic through his metaphor of how long a cow takes to die out of hunger. If he meant that we should have seen it coming then he is a master of contradiction.

What is happening around Lake Victoria must be stopped. If indeed this were businessmen, then they need not spend money to silencing politicians. Infact some politicians speak like Robert. "Our people are lazy". This is a grave matter. We cannot fight poverty by telling our people to compete in a 200 meter race when the vistors are starting at 100 meter spot (Capital unlimited) and we cannot vouch on the sources of their immense financial strength.

The impact of excess liquidity in the market affects everyone through inflation and inflated property prices as well as rent. You do not need an economist to tell you this.

I do not blame Robert's puritanical reaction. This is typical of us when we fail to look at a global picture. If it wasn't the fact that the official "campaign" is over I would have spent more time on the economic implications of the issue at hand.

Ndemo.

Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Hi, Let us be careful about taking a position of weakness on the issue of the Somalis and by extension the Muslims. The rest of us make up 80% of the population which unfortunately consists of 32 million individuals thereby the fear we have of a unified group of only 8 Million. With the advent of open data we should be able to easily put statical evidence on the table instead of spreading unsubstantiated rumours. Dr. Ndemo, can we get access to the records at the Ministry of Lands indicating the stamp duty paid from which, as IT people, we should be able to confirm if it is the Somalis who are raising the price of housing? Growing up in Buru Buru in the late seventies and early eighties I experienced the initial influx of the immigrant Somali, I went to school in Eastleigh which is why I appreciate the difference between the Kenyan and Somali Somali. When the refugees arrived they shot the price for rental of a 3 bedroom house from 5,000/- to 15,000/- per month. Note that they live as large families which is why they could afford to offer higher rents than the single family locals. In addition they were desperate for accommodation which is why they where willing to pay a premium. The rising cost of housing in Nairobi is more as a result of the sheep mentality that many of us suffer from which results in rising prices due to a perceived shortage. Nairobi has a built up area of less than 20% so what is the rush to buy overpriced houses? The exponential increase in the prices of houses is therefore clearly as a result of our pedestrian approach to issues even though we are better educated than our parents and grand parents for some untold reason we are less intelligent. Even the Kileleshwa that we keep being told is running out still has more than 60% of its land surface either underutilised or vacant, you can use google earth to confirm or refute my statement. Once we have exhausted all the available land and redeveloped Eastlands we can then relocate Statehouse and DOD so that we can redevelop the land. But with the counties taking shape that situation is unlikely to happen. The church I worship at in South C is sandwiched between 4 or maybe 5 Mosques but this does not cause me sleepless nights because to me it is a wakeup call that my faith needs to become a lifestyle and not a once a week activity. So Doctor Ndemo, should the Muslims and immigrant/refugee Somalis be concerned about their continued stay in Kenya when you take over as president? RegardsRobert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 17 August, 2011 10:05:16 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia I think bwana Bitange is right. Everyone I know is talking about the Somalis buying up property but its not discussed in public forums and we never hear their side of the story. Their faith along with the often quoted Abuja declaration doesn't help matters either. We need to talk about it and in as open a manner as possible and get their side of the story if there is one for the populace to be at ease. Otherwise the other citizens start feeling caged in and react violently and lead to anarchy which will probably happen anyway if history is to be relied on.e -- Regards, Mark Mwangi http://mwangy.posterous.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

Listers Again, there are requests to allow 'Candidate" Ndemo to continue engaging with listers. We have consulted and considering that some concerns raised are important, we are now extending it to August 31, 2011. Please raise your concerns within this extension period. And now to "Candidate Ndemo". Could you kindly respond the following issues raised by listers? Murigi had raised the concern of how the billions returned annually to the Treasury could be utilized to provide social goods and services, and would be possible to set aside 1.5 % of the budget for ICTs? Harry Delano to comment on how ICTs be utilized to help confront tribal and racial profiling. George Nyabuga requested for an update on digital migration process. His questions were: 1. What is the progress on the migration from analogue to digital? Will the country meet the deadline for the migration? 2. Has the government released enough funding for the process? How much is required, and what has the government released? 3. What is the state of digital media uptake in Kenya at the moment? 4. What is the position of KBC as far as digitization is concerned? 5. Will the public service obligation of KBC change? 6. What ‘public service’ obligation will commercial media have any under the digital regime? And finally in response to Yawe’s concerns on the Somali community, could you kindly go ahead and elaborate on the economic implications of the issue? Kind Regards GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!

From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:10:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com

Harry, Examine Robert's logic through his metaphor of how long a cow takes to die out of hunger. If he meant that we should have seen it coming then he is a master of contradiction.

What is happening around Lake Victoria must be stopped. If indeed this were businessmen, then they need not spend money to silencing politicians. Infact some politicians speak like Robert. "Our people are lazy". This is a grave matter. We cannot fight poverty by telling our people to compete in a 200 meter race when the vistors are starting at 100 meter spot (Capital unlimited) and we cannot vouch on the sources of their immense financial strength.

The impact of excess liquidity in the market affects everyone through inflation and inflated property prices as well as rent. You do not need an economist to tell you this.

I do not blame Robert's puritanical reaction. This is typical of us when we fail to look at a global picture. If it wasn't the fact that the official "campaign" is over I would have spent more time on the economic implications of the issue at hand.

Ndemo.

Daktari, You have not talked about prosecution of grand corruption which is where Kenya has failed as a state. How do we deal with parastatal chiefs / boards which bought properties (grabbed by their political allies to sell to parastatals at exorbitant prices) -- increasing real estate property prices? This happened before NARC come into power. So this has little to do with the property prices increases over the past 5 years. If young men in major towns and cities do not have sports grounds to relieve some stress in, what to do? Do we just open more bars? On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:29 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Grace, I shall try to respond.

Q: Murigi had raised the concern of how the billions returned annually to the Treasury could be utilized to provide social goods and services, and would be possible to set aside 1.5 % of the budget for ICTs?

A: We need not return monies that have already been set a side for specific projects. Most of these are either loans or donor funds that are tied to a specific project. Most of these projects have conditionalties that do not make sense even in the best of times. "Candidates" Ndemo will suspend all donor funds that we did not solicit for. You will be shocked to learn that in some projects you have several competing funds. One good example is KEMSA. Even if you get the best logistics expert you will still be innefficient since there are more than 600 donors with their own conditionalities. It will be much easier to manage things within your own capacities and avoid running around trying to please every donor. We had a similar problem in ICT but we said if something does not meet our projected priorities, we do not want the money. This paid off and you begin to see logic on what we are trying to do.

Some donors give aid even when you do not want it then tie it to conditionalities that will take many months to meet. Further we need to change the procurement law. Specifically, we need to punish losers who bring frivoulous appeals that delay implementation. Such suppliers should be made to pay costs of delaying the project if they lose. We also need to reduce tender process period. It takes up to six months sometimes to complete a donor funded procurement process. By the time you begin implementation you are returning the money. There are also contractors who do not meet timelines hoping to hurry up the accounting officers to pay in order to avoid pending bills.

Q: Harry Delano to comment on how ICTs be utilized to help confront tribal and racial profiling.

A: I have responded to this a number of times. We have begun the process of developing a public key infrastructure (PKI) that will give every citizen a unique ID that even used in itself can be a good identifier. With such infrastructure we do not have to use names that automatically starts the profile of the citizen.

George Nyabuga requested for an update on digital migration process. His questions were: 1. What is the progress on the migration from analogue to digital? Will the country meet the deadline for the migration?

A: We have made significant progress and for sure we shall meet the deadline as promissed.

2. Has the government released enough funding for the process? How much is required,and what has the government released?

A: We have given KBC Ksh. 600 million for the project. They are about to launch DVBT2 in some parts of the country. This should happen before the end of the year and we should cover at least 70% of the country by June. Northern Kenya and other remaining parts will be served via sattelite or DTH. This means that the entire country will indeed have access to Digital TV by end of June.

3. What is the state of digital media uptake in Kenya at the moment?

A: We slowed down the uptake of DVBT since the technology had changed but we should get back to an aggressive programme of promoting DVBT2.

4. What is the position of KBC as far as digitization is concerned?

A: KBC through its subsidiary Signet is the only current signal distributor and as stated, we should be ready by June.

5. Will the public service obligation of KBC change?

A: No. We shall even improve on the existing programs since we shall have more resourses. Here I really want help with especially educational content or edutainment programs. We are in a sorry state with respect to content as we unlease more resources. George, this is where the Universities need to come in as a revenue stream. I will donate my time to content development advisory.

6. What ‘public service’ obligation will commercial media have any under the digital regime?

A: We have always wanted commercial broadcsters to dedicate at least one minute every hour to public service. We can use that minute to promote peace for example and many other social interventions.

Regards

Ndemo.

...

Listers

Again, there are requests to allow 'Candidate" Ndemo to continue engaging with listers. We have consulted and considering that some concerns raised are important, we are now extending it to August 31, 2011. Please raise your concerns within this extension period.

And now to "Candidate Ndemo". Could you kindly respond the following issues raised by listers?

Murigi had raised the concern of how the billions returned annually to

the

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Treasury could be utilized to provide social goods and services, and would be possible to set aside 1.5 % of the budget for ICTs?

Harry Delano to comment on how ICTs be utilized to help confront tribal and racial profiling.

George Nyabuga requested for an update on digital migration process. His questions were: 1. What is the progress on the migration from analogue to digital? Will the country meet the deadline for the migration? 2. Has the government released enough funding for the process? How much is required, and what has the government released? 3. What is the state of digital media uptake in Kenya at the moment? 4. What is the position of KBC as far as digitization is concerned? 5. Will the public service obligation of KBC change? 6. What ‘public service’ obligation will commercial media have any under the digital regime?

And finally in response to Yawe’s concerns on the Somali community, could you kindly go ahead and elaborate on the economic implications of the issue?

Kind Regards GG

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:10:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com

Harry, Examine Robert's logic through his metaphor of how long a cow takes to die out of hunger. If he meant that we should have seen it coming then he is a master of contradiction.

What is happening around Lake Victoria must be stopped. If indeed this were businessmen, then they need not spend money to silencing politicians. Infact some politicians speak like Robert. "Our people are lazy". This is a grave matter. We cannot fight poverty by telling our people to compete in a 200 meter race when the vistors are starting at 100 meter spot (Capital unlimited) and we cannot vouch on the sources of their immense financial strength.

The impact of excess liquidity in the market affects everyone through inflation and inflated property prices as well as rent. You do not need an economist to tell you this.

I do not blame Robert's puritanical reaction. This is typical of us when we fail to look at a global picture. If it wasn't the fact that the official "campaign" is over I would have spent more time on the economic implications of the issue at hand.

Ndemo.

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True, we are on the right track. That said, if police "lose" evidence, not even the judiciary can help. Why does the US have evidence on Kenya drug dealers we do not have? The police tax us because we under pay them. A few years ago some told me they did not have medical insurance. If they got injured in the line of duty they had to do fund raisings for each other. If this has not changed criminals will continue succeeding in making evidence against them disappear. Not sure why it is so hard to have most police stations hooked up via IP network to databases of fingerprints, criminal profiles, DNA etc On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bndemo@information.go.ke>wrote:

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This is a difficult question but one that we have hope will be sorted out with the revamped Judiciary. In effect we are on the rtight path in dealing with this vice. It is not just grand corruption. Corruption of any kind is not good for the economy. It is estimated that we waste in excess of Ksh. 50 billion to inefficient procurement system. We must automate in order to close some of these loopholes. It is frustrating that the issue of corruption keeps on cropping up every time we have an election. I am encouraged by the requirement of those who will serve at the new Independent Electoral Commission. If you saw the advert, it clearly states that applicants must not have been mentioned in any of the past scandals. This is what we need for Presidential hopefuls as a minimum.****

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It will serve as a deterrence for any future corruption. We also need clarity from KACC if there will be amnesty for those who return public property. I hear many want to return. This will at least help salvage what is left. I do not know if there is any one on the list from Western Kenya since they have dealt a big blow to thieves by somehow making them eat grass. If this discovery in Western is scalable, we can effectively use it to get all those who stole from the public.****

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Remember I said that if any future government must reestablish trust with the citizens. This will not come overnight but actions taken especially on the corrupt shall help restore this. The GoK has done a commendable job in dealing with the hunger crisis in the north but due to mistrust by the media and the public in general, it has only received kicks of a donkey (Asante ya Punda ni mateke). ****

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I want to disagree with you that we have failed as a state. What we have not done is consistently trying to close loopholes of corruption through automation. This is what most governments have done that we have not done. People are equally corrupt world over. What makes a difference is learning the mistakes and correcting them.****

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*From:* kictanet-bounces+bndemo=information.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+bndemo=information.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *S.Murigi Muraya *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:37 PM *To:* Bitange Ndemo *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Further Extension!****

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Daktari,

You have not talked about prosecution of grand corruption which is where Kenya has failed as a state.

How do we deal with parastatal chiefs / boards which bought properties (grabbed by their political allies to sell to parastatals at exorbitant prices) -- increasing real estate property prices? This happened before NARC come into power. So this has little to do with the property prices increases over the past 5 years.

If young men in major towns and cities do not have sports grounds to relieve some stress in, what to do? Do we just open more bars?

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On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:29 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:****

Grace, I shall try to respond.

Q: Murigi had raised the concern of how the billions returned annually to ****

the Treasury could be utilized to provide social goods and services, and would be possible to set aside 1.5 % of the budget for ICTs?****

A: We need not return monies that have already been set a side for specific projects. Most of these are either loans or donor funds that are tied to a specific project. Most of these projects have conditionalties that do not make sense even in the best of times. "Candidates" Ndemo will suspend all donor funds that we did not solicit for. You will be shocked to learn that in some projects you have several competing funds. One good example is KEMSA. Even if you get the best logistics expert you will still be innefficient since there are more than 600 donors with their own conditionalities. It will be much easier to manage things within your own capacities and avoid running around trying to please every donor. We had a similar problem in ICT but we said if something does not meet our projected priorities, we do not want the money. This paid off and you begin to see logic on what we are trying to do.

Some donors give aid even when you do not want it then tie it to conditionalities that will take many months to meet. Further we need to change the procurement law. Specifically, we need to punish losers who bring frivoulous appeals that delay implementation. Such suppliers should be made to pay costs of delaying the project if they lose. We also need to reduce tender process period. It takes up to six months sometimes to complete a donor funded procurement process. By the time you begin implementation you are returning the money. There are also contractors who do not meet timelines hoping to hurry up the accounting officers to pay in order to avoid pending bills.

Q: Harry Delano to comment on how ICTs be utilized to help confront tribal and racial profiling.

A: I have responded to this a number of times. We have begun the process of developing a public key infrastructure (PKI) that will give every citizen a unique ID that even used in itself can be a good identifier. With such infrastructure we do not have to use names that automatically starts the profile of the citizen.****

George Nyabuga requested for an update on digital migration process. His questions were: 1. What is the progress on the migration from analogue to digital? Will the country meet the deadline for the migration?****

A: We have made significant progress and for sure we shall meet the deadline as promissed.****

2. Has the government released enough funding for the process? How much is required,and what has the government released?****

A: We have given KBC Ksh. 600 million for the project. They are about to launch DVBT2 in some parts of the country. This should happen before the end of the year and we should cover at least 70% of the country by June. Northern Kenya and other remaining parts will be served via sattelite or DTH. This means that the entire country will indeed have access to Digital TV by end of June.****

3. What is the state of digital media uptake in Kenya at the moment?****

A: We slowed down the uptake of DVBT since the technology had changed but we should get back to an aggressive programme of promoting DVBT2.****

4. What is the position of KBC as far as digitization is concerned?****

A: KBC through its subsidiary Signet is the only current signal distributor and as stated, we should be ready by June.****

5. Will the public service obligation of KBC change?****

A: No. We shall even improve on the existing programs since we shall have more resourses. Here I really want help with especially educational content or edutainment programs. We are in a sorry state with respect to content as we unlease more resources. George, this is where the Universities need to come in as a revenue stream. I will donate my time to content development advisory.****

6. What ‘public service’ obligation will commercial media have any under the digital regime?****

A: We have always wanted commercial broadcsters to dedicate at least one minute every hour to public service. We can use that minute to promote peace for example and many other social interventions.

Regards

Ndemo.****

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Listers

Again, there are requests to allow 'Candidate" Ndemo to continue engaging with listers. We have consulted and considering that some concerns raised are important, we are now extending it to August 31, 2011. Please raise your concerns within this extension period.

And now to "Candidate Ndemo". Could you kindly respond the following issues raised by listers?

Murigi had raised the concern of how the billions returned annually to

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Treasury could be utilized to provide social goods and services, and would be possible to set aside 1.5 % of the budget for ICTs?

Harry Delano to comment on how ICTs be utilized to help confront tribal and racial profiling.

George Nyabuga requested for an update on digital migration process. His questions were: 1. What is the progress on the migration from analogue to digital? Will the country meet the deadline for the migration? 2. Has the government released enough funding for the process? How much is required, and what has the government released? 3. What is the state of digital media uptake in Kenya at the moment? 4. What is the position of KBC as far as digitization is concerned? 5. Will the public service obligation of KBC change? 6. What ‘public service’ obligation will commercial media have any under the digital regime?

And finally in response to Yawe’s concerns on the Somali community, could you kindly go ahead and elaborate on the economic implications of the issue?

Kind Regards GG

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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:10:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com

Harry, Examine Robert's logic through his metaphor of how long a cow takes to die out of hunger. If he meant that we should have seen it coming then he is a master of contradiction.

What is happening around Lake Victoria must be stopped. If indeed this were businessmen, then they need not spend money to silencing politicians. Infact some politicians speak like Robert. "Our people are lazy". This is a grave matter. We cannot fight poverty by telling our people to compete in a 200 meter race when the vistors are starting at 100 meter spot (Capital unlimited) and we cannot vouch on the sources of their immense financial strength.

The impact of excess liquidity in the market affects everyone through inflation and inflated property prices as well as rent. You do not need an economist to tell you this.

I do not blame Robert's puritanical reaction. This is typical of us when we fail to look at a global picture. If it wasn't the fact that the official "campaign" is over I would have spent more time on the economic implications of the issue at hand.

Ndemo.

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I have one last question, Dear P.S, Ndemo Public service promises both risks and rewards, in particular I recall your leadership during the TEAMS project, which you approached with so much conviction despite the risks and it has ended up being such a rewarding initiative not only in proof of concept, enabling further investments in fiber optic cable, but also providing the much needed access to broadband for our region. Taking into consideration the risks you took how does the government alleviate the fear of making the wrong decision and are there any measures in place for success and tolerance for failure within government? How would you ensure public officers are provided with freedom to make choices, to make mistakes, know the options for redress, and put an exit strategy in place should things go wrong. Alice On 8/25/11 11:39 PM, Grace Githaiga wrote:

Bw Ndemo

Thank you for all your responses to various queries raised by the "Kictanet constituency" .

I want to agree with you that Kenya should not accept donor funding when it is not needed, and in particular when it will demand alot of time to meet the conditionalities.

I sensed your frustration in dealing with corruption in this country but found your question on whether there is a possibility of scaling up the practice from Western Kenya of making thieves eat grass quite hilarious. But like you point out, if it can effectively be used to get all those who have stolen from the public pay for it, it might be useful to explore. Listers are yet to respond to your query.

Swaggerific! Yes I agree with you. I think it is not only bad but offensive. This is an issue that citizens will have to support you as 'President' on how to control such content.

Muraya wondered how come the US has evidence on Kenya's drug dealers and the Kenya Police lack such information. What is your position on Police stations getting hooked up via IP network to data bases of fingerprints, DNA, criminal profiles etc. Again, this was raised with a background of rooting out corruption in the forces.

Listers, the campaign period is almost coming to an end. Your last chance to interrogate the Candidate. Rgds GG

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Dakitari Ndemo, Really hope we have you in government as a public official (whether appointed or elected) until 2030. Trust the e-gov policy coming up (2011 or 2012?) will incorporate some of our ideas. Saw the CCK brief on services gaps. Good work you are all doing there. Also tested the CCK complaints web service / form. We will see how it goes. Well utilized information / communication systems can make it easier to tell if investigations are personalized or systematic. Much evidence lies therein as to whether social services are provided or not. After Orange Kenya announced (on the list) their improved data service (noted speeds of 7Mbs yesterday) I will also point out to vendor specific case studies showing a side of local governance in the UK & US. Kenyans building Kenya primarily for Kenyans should be supported as much if not more than Foreign Investors. We know nation building is local.. residents building and managing their neighborhood / village, town or city. City of Salford.. http://www.salford.gov.uk/ Their (ugly) website surveys visitors on how council services can be improved. Population is about 220,000 people -- lower than Ruiru or Eldoret.. Now cities under the new Act.. Yes? No? Residents can reach / hear from councillors online. http://www.salfordcouncillors.info/ According to this Microsoft white paper (4 pages) every one of Salford City Council's 10,000 or so employees is accessible via e-mail & voice to deliver services within the council and to the public. http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=4000... It is possible to contact via email or IM, a Salford city council employee concerned (or not) with fixing the potholes or vandalized lighting in particular estates / (sub) locations. Something similar in the USA.. The City of San Franciso -- population of just over 800,000 in 2010 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/19/BUB51JHPR1.DTL&type=printable 23,000 workers on e-mail.. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:47 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Grace, Besides being busy with CCK services gap report presentations, I have come to fear the Blackberry. It does not know good English and in most cases overwrites what you intended to say, since I get embarrased with I shall use it sparingly.

I did not fear Muraya's question. It is appropriate and one that needs careful attention. The US has a mature legal system that they have built over 200 years. Their investgations are not personalized and often they focus on getting to the root couse of the problem. That is why they use plea bargain as the best method to get to the root cause. You cannot catch a drug dealer unless you use one of them to do the job and give immunity.

In Kenya we send the police and hope they can get into the minds of criminals. It is only recently we passed the witness protection act. This is the right step but we are not there. I am sure you have heard the saying "use a thief to catch a thief". This is true and we must have in the law. Get a thief or drug dealer, give one of them immunity. You will get the list of all drug barons.

In todays papers, one media house killed a story on a comprehensively investigated drug story. Just think what message is the media boss sending to young investigators? It cannot be that only the police is to conduct investigations. We all have a role to play. If I succeed as "candidate" I shall recomend the young lads for Moran of the Burning Spear. They should post some of their findings on youtube. It is only through social media that we develop checks and balances with media and society. Government cannot honestly take that role.

I still have to remind you of us embracing minimum value system and simply being honest to each other. This is key since MPs are not destroying the ethics bill due to honesty or interest of a nation. We shall get what they think is law in their own eyes. This brings me to the famouse computer quote "garbage in garbage out". If the ethics law is flawed then the investigations would be flawed and the outcomes would be flawed. When Muraya says we cannot do simple things like arresting drug lords in the country, he is not getting to the root cause of the problem.

All hope is not lost though. We have chapter six in the constitution. It is leadership and intergrity. We have a chance to use it properly next year. Get rid of those giving us bad laws that keep on shaming us wherever we go.

In 1982 coup attempt I was at Eclipse Discoteque when we were arested and taken to Kilimani Police. Here I met the famous Titus Andungosi. He told those us joining him at the cell that we must cooperate for a common good. He said since we used buckets for toilet nobody should shit when night fells and that we should do it in early morning as we can take it out and not suffer the smell. As he read his red Bible he always reminded us that it will take only one person to mess our night. And it takes just a few to mess our law and order.

My charge was loitering and with a few others we were taken to court and fined Ksh. 1,000. Andungosi died in Prison. In his rememberance, I have played Kenny Roger's Coward of the county once every month.

We must work together for the good of all and we must get rid of those destroy our future.

Regards.

Ndemo.

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Bw Ndemo

Thank you for all your responses to various queries raised by the "Kictanet constituency" .

I want to agree with you that Kenya should not accept donor funding when it is not needed, and in particular when it will demand alot of time to meet the conditionalities.

I sensed your frustration in dealing with corruption in this country but found your question on whether there is a possibility of scaling up the practice from Western Kenya of making thieves eat grass quite hilarious. But like you point out, if it can effectively be used to get all those who have stolen from the public pay for it, it might be useful to explore. Listers are yet to respond to your query.

Swaggerific! Yes I agree with you. I think it is not only bad but offensive. This is an issue that citizens will have to support you as 'President' on how to control such content.

Muraya wondered how come the US has evidence on Kenya's drug dealers and the Kenya Police lack such information. What is your position on Police stations getting hooked up via IP network to data bases of fingerprints, DNA, criminal profiles etc. Again, this was raised with a background of rooting out corruption in the forces.

Listers, the campaign period is almost coming to an end. Your last chance to interrogate the Candidate. Rgds GG

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Dear Listers Greetings. Attached please find a summary of the Ndemo Debate. If you have any comments, kindly get back to us by Sunday September 11. Thank you all for your contributions, and a stimulating debate.

From the Moderators GG and Barrack.

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Grace, You have revisted this topic after such a long time and perhaps I could be more wiser. Let me respond to the questions first beggining with the first one: 1. How does the government alleviate the fear of making the wrong decision(s) and are there any measures in place for success and tolerance for failure within government? Over the past few decades, we have seen various development models that have propelled a number of countries into first world. We can do the same and I personaly belief that Knowledge is the next frontier for economic development. We can leverage knowledge and move masses from abject poverty to our desired goal of Vision 2030. Anybody wanting to serve the people of Kenya either in elective position or as a civil servant must be in a position to take risk and use scientific methods in making decision. Scientific decision making is based on a rational model that can be verified. If this is not done, we shall be talking of angloleasings and goldenbergs. Yes even well researched projects fail but there is need that we minimise such projects by prudent decision making. Many projects fail when it takes a long time to articulate the vision and when those who conceptualize the vision leave, the project fails. As a rule we should not have feasibility studies that take more than six months. If you take a survey of failed projects, you will find that their feasibility studies took between one and five years. As it is often said, "strike when the rod is hot". the project drivers must plan to have the project done within their logical life in office. I plan to have Konza started before I get fired next year. Right now I am building the capacity that would likely stay beyond my welcome at the Ministry. Leaders must not lead like they are the only ones that can do things. People who work below you work well when you recognise then and give then responsibilities. These are theories that are well understood but you find some in Government who think they own it. The successes we have had in the Kibaki regime is as a result of delegating responsibility and giving the power to execute. This was not so in the past regime. The measures we need to take, is to vote wisely to avoid a situation where we vote for a control freak. Here we shall roll back the gains we have made. It is possible that we can alleviate poverty in this country and create enormous employment especially if we embrace a knowledge economy. I will respond to the other question later. Ndemo.

Dr Ndemo

Greetings.

Please refer to the attached summary of the issues you raised during the 'Ndemo for President Campaign'. Its been a hectic time for us considering we were all busy with the IGF.

We are now in the process of finalizing this and other reports. We have noted that there were two questions that you did not answer. Do you think you could respond to them so that you allow us to finalize? You can also react to the summary and ofcourse any lister is free to react/respond.

The two questions: 1. How does the government alleviate the fear of making the wrong decision(s) and are there any measures in place for success and tolerance for failure within government?

2. How would you ensure public officers are provided with freedom to make choices, to make mistakes, know the options for redress, and put an exit strategy in place should things go wrong?

A great week to you and to all the listers.

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Grace, I shall review the attachment and get back to you later. As I stated, Knowledge is the next frontier for economic development. My recent encounter with development on the ground shocked me and I think we need some concesus. I was asked to be guest of honour in some cooperative at my rural home. I accepted and went to address. This is a cooperative where my mother sunk thousands of shillings and never received anything in return. The real estate they invested in is no longer their. But this was not what shocked me. I proceeded to speak and my speech read as follows: Ladies and Gentlement, First I thank you for asking me to speak to you. Since I am not a politician allow me to speak bluntly and you also must question my thought. We must restructure this organization and reposition it as a leading coffee producer, manufacturer and marketer. When I go back to Nairobi, the first thing that I want to help you put in place is a strategic plan .... An elderly lady sought to know what I was talking about. I asked the audience what a strategic plan is in Kisii. None had an answer. I asked if we could translate restructuring and repositioning, none was translated. I discovered I was not communicating. Some men wanted the old woman to leave but I said no. In my Sauna talk I asked other ethnic groups if they had translations of these words. There was nobody with any translation. I have previously said this with words like productivity and break even point. Let me know if any has an opinion. Ndemo.

Dr Ndemo

Greetings.

Please refer to the attached summary of the issues you raised during the 'Ndemo for President Campaign'. Its been a hectic time for us considering we were all busy with the IGF.

We are now in the process of finalizing this and other reports. We have noted that there were two questions that you did not answer. Do you think you could respond to them so that you allow us to finalize? You can also react to the summary and ofcourse any lister is free to react/respond.

The two questions: 1. How does the government alleviate the fear of making the wrong decision(s) and are there any measures in place for success and tolerance for failure within government?

2. How would you ensure public officers are provided with freedom to make choices, to make mistakes, know the options for redress, and put an exit strategy in place should things go wrong?

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Bwana Ndemo, I like your post with a touch of humour...but the issue you raise is very fundamental. I hear you..... In my years funding telecentres in Uganda, I came up with 5 "success factors" that would make telecentres sustainable. One of the issues was "management". After years of funding the centres and when the time came to hand them over to the locals, we realized that they had no basic understanding of management - a management committee that had been put in place (to act as a board) to provide policy and strategic direction to the telecentre(s) thought they needed to micro-manage the outfit and undertake day-to-day tasks meant for the team that was running the centres. We had frequent clashes between the two groups until we had to first mount short/down-to-earth courses on management - including strategic planning, financial management etc. You can get local training companies that know how to mobilize and relate to such groups at their level without using much jargon. Even at the local level, the fundamental principles of management applies if such efforts are to be sustained. We just need to find the right expertise that pitches the training at that level (and in their language) to work with such groups...otherwise, we will be doomed to fail as we move to COUNTY management. Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:09 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ndemo's Presidential Debate Final Report? Grace, I shall review the attachment and get back to you later. As I stated, Knowledge is the next frontier for economic development. My recent encounter with development on the ground shocked me and I think we need some concesus. I was asked to be guest of honour in some cooperative at my rural home. I accepted and went to address. This is a cooperative where my mother sunk thousands of shillings and never received anything in return. The real estate they invested in is no longer their. But this was not what shocked me. I proceeded to speak and my speech read as follows: Ladies and Gentlement, First I thank you for asking me to speak to you. Since I am not a politician allow me to speak bluntly and you also must question my thought. We must restructure this organization and reposition it as a leading coffee producer, manufacturer and marketer. When I go back to Nairobi, the first thing that I want to help you put in place is a strategic plan .... An elderly lady sought to know what I was talking about. I asked the audience what a strategic plan is in Kisii. None had an answer. I asked if we could translate restructuring and repositioning, none was translated. I discovered I was not communicating. Some men wanted the old woman to leave but I said no. In my Sauna talk I asked other ethnic groups if they had translations of these words. There was nobody with any translation. I have previously said this with words like productivity and break even point. Let me know if any has an opinion. Ndemo.

Dr Ndemo

Greetings.

Please refer to the attached summary of the issues you raised during the 'Ndemo for President Campaign'. Its been a hectic time for us considering we were all busy with the IGF.

We are now in the process of finalizing this and other reports. We have noted that there were two questions that you did not answer. Do you think you could respond to them so that you allow us to finalize? You can also react to the summary and ofcourse any lister is free to react/respond.

The two questions: 1. How does the government alleviate the fear of making the wrong decision(s) and are there any measures in place for success and tolerance for failure within government?

2. How would you ensure public officers are provided with freedom to make choices, to make mistakes, know the options for redress, and put an exit strategy in place should things go wrong?

A great week to you and to all the listers.

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Barrack, It is absurd that we need the language to express ourselves and at the same time have so many educated and unemployed Kenyans. Read Local Content You can see now how I will create jobs. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:45:50 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ndemo's Presidential Debate Final Report? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

Grace, Approximately 90% of development language centers around those words. Could it be that we have not been talking? Couuld this be the reason why Africa lags behind? Are our leaders communicating? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 01:21:52 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Ndemo's Presidential Debate Final Report? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

Grace, Although the manifesto has the ingredients of "my Presidency" it is not coherent. My main objective was to create a knowledge society where science becomes the centre point of our development. With Internet everywhere in another few months, we can easily begin to use Internet as a development tool that will not only propel our country into a service economy but also help create unprecedented efficiencies in government. As you are aware capitalism is under the greatest test world over and there seems to be lack of leadership from traditional ideologues. It is a great chance for us to show the way since we do not have legacy issues as it relates to ideology. Just like Franklin Rosefelt did during the great depression, there is need to weave a bit of socialism into capitalism. By this I mean we shall take care of three most important social problems of our time. This is education, health and housing. We shall make Internet a human right issue then pumb lots of content through it to schools and create a level playing field for all. For this to work we must first deal with energy as I said as a prerequisite. Resources to undertake these projects will come from the efficiencies we create in government when we automate every record and open up thegovernment through the open data initiative. Here you will create an environment for innovation. Further you create jobs especially in the BPO sector. Other areas will include gaming, software development and animation. Much of the animated content would focus on all syllabi of all African countries for educational content. Of the $84 billion market, we shall first target10 percent of that market. The gaming industry we also target some 5 percent of more than $120 billion industry. As we develop housing, we shall work to create smarter cities with the aim of fighting decease through prevention. The aim is to limit the more than 20 billion shillings used in testing for malaria and typhoid and also avoid taking people to hospital and changing the health paradigm from curative to prevention. The world has given us the opportunity to begin to think big but we must do the basics like controlling our population growth. It does not auger well for us to grow at the rate we are at the moment when we already have a problem with food security. Whenever your people are food insecure, it dents your confidence greatly. We shall have a clear foreign policy with more emphasies on Africa. Our growth is more dependent on Africa as we move forward. We must de-emphasize our dependency on Europe for our economic development and start fighting for apace here in Africa. If we grow our business in Africa, we shall rebuild not only our image but confidence levels. This is what all other candidates lack. You realize I have not said much about Asia. This is because we can fifgt them without suffering as much as we would if we were to ignore the Western world. This is far more complex to state here. I will write more later. Just starting to listen to UK Prime Minister, David Cameron. Regards Ndemo

Dr Ndemo

Greetings.

Please refer to the attached summary of the issues you raised during the 'Ndemo for President Campaign'. Its been a hectic time for us considering we were all busy with the IGF.

We are now in the process of finalizing this and other reports. We have noted that there were two questions that you did not answer. Do you think you could respond to them so that you allow us to finalize? You can also react to the summary and ofcourse any lister is free to react/respond.

The two questions: 1. How does the government alleviate the fear of making the wrong decision(s) and are there any measures in place for success and tolerance for failure within government?

2. How would you ensure public officers are provided with freedom to make choices, to make mistakes, know the options for redress, and put an exit strategy in place should things go wrong?

A great week to you and to all the listers.

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Some country called Libya once tried investing in other African countries .....

Actually, internal bonds (within the country) would also work if we can reign in inflation... Problem right now is that if you issue a bond at the current rate of inflation in 3 months the bond holder will be losing money... On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:

** Hey Dennis,

Possibly a case-study/analysis would be helpful in determining what has worked or hasn't in this instance. Then we can learn our lessons from others and move forward.

Harry

------------------------------ *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Kioko *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2011 4:09 PM

*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Ndemo's Presidential Debate Final Report?

Some country called Libya once tried investing in other African countries .....

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Unless it's an inflation linked/inflation-indexed bond, not sure if any African governments are issuing this. If you price it to accomodate spikes in inflation, the risk is that the credit becomes too expensive for the government to afford e.g. if estimates have it that inflation will peak at 25% for a moderate gain of 4% the interest rate will be pegged at 29%. On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:

Depends on how you price the bond.

On 1 November 2011 16:37, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Actually, internal bonds (within the country) would also work if we can reign in inflation... Problem right now is that if you issue a bond at the current rate of inflation in 3 months the bond holder will be losing money...

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>wrote:

...

** Hey Dennis,

Possibly a case-study/analysis would be helpful in determining what has worked or hasn't in this instance. Then we can learn our lessons from others and move forward.

Harry

------------------------------ *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Kioko *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2011 4:09 PM

*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Ndemo's Presidential Debate Final Report?

Some country called Libya once tried investing in other African countries .....

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On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Before we go into complex matters like bonds there are other opportunitities. Ghana imports 90% of its chicken consumption from Brazil. Gabon Imports 100% of eggs from France. Congo with its diamonds and Uranium imports its supplies including soap and cooking oil from France. When I say we must start fighting Europe for Africa I do not mean arms. Let us wake and compete. If we have no planes to fly supplies into Congo let us carry them on our heads to Congo.

KQ goes to Djibouti without any horticulture yet Djibouti buys its food supplies from France. Sometimes a re-shipment of Kenya's horticulture into Djibouti. We send flowers to Nethwerlands then they are re-shipped into Africa. We export coffee beens into UK then we inport Nescaffe. Can we wake up and fight a fair and simple was on Africa's resources.

Agreed. We need to find simple efficient ways of trading. My point on bonds was on raising capital reserves to shore up such trading, within Africa, eliminating the need for donor funding. Just as a further illustration http://www.starbucksstore.com/Kenya/011009408,default,pd.html. 1 KG of Kenyan coffee is roughly 2900 KES. We will happily re-import the Starbucks/Nescafe/Nespresso etc and ignore Dormans on our supermarket shelves. -- Warm Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:

Speak for yourself, Phares - I'm a loyal five-year-plus client of Dorman's ground coffee :)

(but it drives me demented that KICC et al serve crappy instant coffee when this country grows some of the best coffee in the world)

Preaching to the choir. I blog on Kenyan coffee and coffee houses. I agree. Part of the problem is that most hotels etc serve instant coffee, which is sad, given that our coffee is sold at a premium globally. I once wrote about how to get cheap but high quality coffee equipment in Kenya. Part of the reason KICC et al keep serving said coffee is ignorance. Instant coffee is well, an instant coffee solution to the same... -- Warm Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki

Hey, Isn't it strange that we from this resourceful continent have some nerve to go shopping for eggs and chicken soup across the Atlantic.., including Oil...? I just had a thought, that we activate some lively lobbying by our High commissioners, Commerce/Trade attaches etc in these countries, to do us the needful and establish new trade routes/destinations for us here on this continent. Do we summon them back again for some briefing or, Bw Ps..? Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 5:39 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ndemo's Presidential Debate Final Report? Speak for yourself, Phares - I'm a loyal five-year-plus client of Dorman's ground coffee :) (but it drives me demented that KICC et al serve crappy instant coffee when this country grows some of the best coffee in the world) On 1 November 2011 17:34, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Before we go into complex matters like bonds there are other opportunitities. Ghana imports 90% of its chicken consumption from Brazil. Gabon Imports 100% of eggs from France. Congo with its diamonds and Uranium imports its supplies including soap and cooking oil from France. When I say we must start fighting Europe for Africa I do not mean arms. Let us wake and compete. If we have no planes to fly supplies into Congo let us carry them on our heads to Congo.

KQ goes to Djibouti without any horticulture yet Djibouti buys its food supplies from France. Sometimes a re-shipment of Kenya's horticulture into Djibouti. We send flowers to Nethwerlands then they are re-shipped into Africa. We export coffee beens into UK then we inport Nescaffe. Can we wake up and fight a fair and simple was on Africa's resources.

Agreed. We need to find simple efficient ways of trading. My point on bonds was on raising capital reserves to shore up such trading, within Africa, eliminating the need for donor funding. Just as a further illustration http://www.starbucksstore.com/Kenya/011009408,default,pd.html. 1 KG of Kenyan coffee is roughly 2900 KES. We will happily re-import the Starbucks/Nescafe/Nespresso etc and ignore Dormans on our supermarket shelves. -- Warm Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/andrea.bohnstedt%40rati o-magazine.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/andreabohnstedt> Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com <http://www.ratio-magazine.com/careers/index.php> Find/post East Africa careers Find/post conferences, workshops, trainings, other business <http://www.ratio-magazine.com/businessevents/index.php> events

You have hit the nail on the head Phares. There needs to be a law that if a local product is available, all sellers can sell the imported variety of the same product only if the local product is also sold side by side. These being cost conscious times, local products will definitely be bought more often over imported ones. However the question that begs to be answered is, why are local products not making their way to local shelves? Kenya grows amazing export quality fruits and vegetables, which get ... exported! And then we import good looking oranges, strawberries, peaches etc while someone else in another country is eating equally good looking and tasting Kenyan fruit. On 11/1/11 6:23 PM, "Phares Kariuki" <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

We also need a thriving chamber of commerce. One only needs to walk into a supermarket to see imported fruit juice side by side to locally produced fruit juice. 

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:

...

Hey,   Isn't it strange that we from this resourceful continent have some nerve to go shopping for eggs and chicken soup across the Atlantic.., including Oil...?   I just had a thought, that we activate some lively lobbying by our High commissioners, Commerce/Trade attaches etc in these countries, to do us the needful and establish new trade routes/destinations for us here on this continent. Do we summon them back again for some briefing or, Bw Ps..?   Harry

From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 5:39 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke

Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ndemo's Presidential Debate Final Report?

Speak for yourself, Phares - I'm a loyal five-year-plus client of Dorman's ground coffee :)

(but it drives me demented that KICC et al serve crappy instant coffee when this country grows some of the best coffee in the world)

On 1 November 2011 17 <tel:2011%2017> :34, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

...

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM,  <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:

...

...

Before we go into complex matters like bonds there are other opportunitities. Ghana imports 90% of its chicken consumption from Brazil.  Gabon Imports 100% of eggs from France.  Congo with its diamonds and Uranium imports its supplies including soap and cooking oil from France.  When I say we must start fighting Europe for Africa I do not mean arms.  Let us wake and compete.  If we have no planes to fly supplies into Congo let us carry them on our heads to Congo.

KQ goes to Djibouti without any horticulture yet Djibouti buys its food supplies from France.  Sometimes a re-shipment of Kenya's horticulture into Djibouti.  We send flowers to Nethwerlands then they are re-shipped into Africa.  We export coffee beens into UK then we inport Nescaffe.  Can we wake up and fight a fair and simple was on Africa's resources.

Agreed. We need to find simple efficient ways of trading. My point on bonds was on raising capital reserves to shore up such trading, within Africa, eliminating the need for donor funding. Just as a further illustration http://www.starbucksstore.com/Kenya/011009408,default,pd.html. 1 KG of Kenyan coffee is roughly 2900 KES. We will happily re-import the Starbucks/Nescafe/Nespresso etc and ignore Dormans on our supermarket shelves.

Harry, Some time back all Ambassadors were summoned here and in His Excellency the President's speech they were asked to focus on Trade. At Least our Ambassador to Angola has come and stated that Angola's ICT sector needs help but in Portuguese. Several other Ambassadors though not cordinated have highlighted opportunities in countries they represent the country. I will try to marry the policy statement and the Private sector. Will contact foreign affairs and ask a few strategic Ambassadors to make presentations. At some time our Ambassador to Qater wanted 2,500 goats per quarter. The country got an order for 1,000 tons of beef to Egypt. We could not raise 100 tons. Brazil exports in excess of 5,000 tons of beef to middle east. We must begin to be serious. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:37:04 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ndemo's Presidential Debate Final Report? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.