Internet in E-Africa. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1609357535==" --===============1609357535== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b34346489ac1404e8d64fcb --047d7b34346489ac1404e8d64fcb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First let me welcome Dr. Yonah whom have worked with previously in Tanzania and has done alot for his country to transform ICT. I honestly believe TZ has the cheapest access to internet. I do not need to read all the literature but based on my stay in TZ, UG, and KE I have enough experience to make this bold statement. I like the document shared by Yonah clearly arguing his case based on concrete facts. Lets not believe these half-baked research from the so called ITU. We know the truth from the ground. Paul Roy. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Zaipuna Yonah Sent: =E2=80=8E16/=E2=80=8E10/=E2=80=8E2013 10:04 AM To: Paul Roy Cc: I-Network Uganda; eThinkers; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa. Dear Walu, Are you suggesting we approve with open arms the mammon called dollarization? I am just curious! http://clknet.or.tz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tan= zanian-Economy.pdf/ We surely have a long way to go in creating our own information even though we have our own knowledge about issues like this. Keep thinking and discussing... Regards __________________________________ *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD* *Consulting Engineer in ICTs* *P. O. Box 32736* *Dar es Salaam* *Tanzania* *Tel: +255-784-786429* *Fax: +255--732-920133* *Email: **[email protected]* <[email protected]> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D *It is About Engineering People's Lives! **& * *Advancing Technology for Humanity!* *=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D* On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:

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@Brian,

this is where we go wrong. We (East Africans) pay top-dollar to be member= s of ITU and then we consistently ignore their research output for various reasons - including lying :-). In which case we should at least stop bein= g members and save the money for something else. Incidentally, ITU has been around for donkey years doing policy research in telecomms and we should = at least give their report some little respect and attention.

But if we doubt them, we should produce alternate research like what Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD has done with Research ICT Africa report- whic shows that actually .TZ has the most affordable internet services. From t= he quick reading of that I can see that perhaps what Research ICT Africa failed to do was that they did not "normalize" their figures.

What this means is that if a coke or any product is 1USD in the US and it is also 1USD in Kenya, that coke is still considered more expensive in Kenya because of differentials in national income levels i.e. they are no= t equally affordable . Put differently an American finds it easier to spend the 1USD than the Kenyan would.

So if one was to "normalize" the Research ICT report against national income levels, we would most likely arrive at the same (ITU) conclusion.

walu.

-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 10/15/13, Brian Munyao Longwe <[email protected]> wrote:

Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa. To: [email protected] Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <[email protected]>, "eThinkers" < [email protected]>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < [email protected]> Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 11:29 PM

It's a lie, I am here and frustrated with high costs of broadband...

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Zaipuna Yonah <[email protected]> wrote:

How about the attached report? Sometimes, you got to find a comparative approach to make sense out of these studies. Sometimes it matters who reports.....But the customer knows the truth!

Regards __________________________________ Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD Consulting Engineer in ICTs P. O. Box 32736 Dar es Salaam Tanzania Tel: +255-784-786429 Fax: +255--732-920133 Email: [email protected] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing Technology for Humanity!=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:

Folks,(apologies for cross-posting)

This comes as a suprise. One would have thought Kenya and TZ by virtue of "owning" the International Internet conne Submarine connectivity/Gatewyas at Mombasa and Dar respectively, they would offer the cheapest Internet costs.

But according to the latest 2013 ITU report that has been tracking and measuring affordability of internet, UG is ranked no 139, TZ at no 143 and Kenya at no 149 globally in terms of affordability.

Cost of broadband internet in Kenya is put at 49% of the Gross National Income(GNI) compared to .UG at 32%. Put differently it costs an average Kenyan half(50%) his salary to connect to a broadband internet link. In SA it is about 4% of their GNI.

Those who can withstand the statistics/readings can pull the Executive Report at

http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/publications/mis2013/MIS= 2013-exec-sum_E.pdf

@ CS Matiang'i - this could be part of your bedtime reading collection :-)

walu.

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<BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-= WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Calibri,sans-serif">Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest B= roadband Internet in E-Africa.</SPAN><BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML><div dir= =3D"ltr">Dear Walu,<div><br></div><div style>Are you suggesting we approve = with open arms the mammon called dollarization?=C2=A0</div><div style>I am = just curious!=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://clknet.or.tz/wp-content/uploads/2012/0= 1/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tanzanian-Economy.pdf/">http://clknet.or.tz/wp-c= ontent/uploads/2012/01/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tanzanian-Economy.pdf/</a><= /div> <div style><br></div><div style>We surely have a long way to go in creating= our own information even though we have our own knowledge about issues lik= e this.</div><div style><br></div><div style>Keep thinking and discussing..= .</div> <div style><br></div><div style>Regards</div><div style><br></div></div><di= v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>______= ____________________________</div> <div><strong>Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD</strong></div> <div><strong>Consulting Engineer in ICTs</strong></div> <div><strong style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255);font-size:x-small">P. O. Box 327= 36</strong></div> <div><font color=3D"#3333ff" size=3D"1"><strong>Dar es Salaam</strong></fon= t></div> <div><font color=3D"#3333ff" size=3D"1"><strong>Tanzania</strong></font></d= iv> <div><font color=3D"#3333ff" size=3D"1"><strong>Tel: +255-784-786429</stron= g></font></div> <div><font color=3D"#3333ff" size=3D"1"><strong>Fax: +255--732-920133</stro= ng></font></div> <div><strong>Email: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank"><strong>[email protected]</strong></a></div> <div>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</div> <div><i>It is About Engineering People's Lives!=C2=A0</i><i style=3D"fo= nt-family:arial;font-size:small">&=C2=A0</i></div><div><i style=3D"font= -family:arial;font-size:small">Advancing Technology for Humanity!</i></div>= <div><i>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</i></div> </div></div> <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Waluben= go J <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_bl= ank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu= ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex= ">

<u></u> <div style> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div> <div> <div> =20 =20 <p>@Brian,<br> <br> this is where we go wrong. We (East Africans) pay top-dollar to be members = of ITU and then we consistently ignore their research output for various re= asons - including lying :-). In which case we should at least stop being me= mbers and save the money for something else. Incidentally, ITU has been aro= und for donkey years doing policy research in telecomms and we should at le= ast give their report some little respect and attention.<br> <br> But if we doubt them, we should produce alternate research like what Eng. D= r. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD has done with Research ICT Africa report- whic sho= ws that actually .TZ has the most affordable internet services. From the qu= ick reading of that I can see that perhaps what Research ICT Africa failed = to do was that they did not "normalize" their figures.<br> <br> What this means is that if a coke or any product is 1USD in the US and it i= s also 1USD in Kenya, that coke is still considered more expensive in Kenya= because of differentials in national income levels i.e. they are not equal= ly affordable . Put differently an American finds it easier to spend the 1U= SD than the Kenyan would.<br> <br> So if one was to "normalize" the Research ICT report against nati= onal income levels, we would most likely arrive at the same (ITU) conclusio= n.<br> <br> walu.<br> <br> --------------------------------------------<br> On Tue, 10/15/13, Brian Munyao Longwe <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= om" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> <br> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband In= ternet in E-Africa.<br> To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</= a><br> Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= rg" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>>, "eThinkers" = <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">ethin= [email protected]</a>>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"= ; <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">ki= [email protected]</a>><br> Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 11:29 PM</p><div><div class=3D"h5"><br> <br> It's a lie, I am here and<br> frustrated with high costs of broadband...<br> <br> <br> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at<br> 9:15 PM, Zaipuna Yonah <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" targ= et=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> wrote:<br> <br> How about the attached report? Sometimes, you got<br> to find a comparative approach to make sense out of these<br> studies. Sometimes it matters who reports.....But the<br> customer knows the truth!<br> <br> <br> Regards<br> __________________________________<br> Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD<br> Consulting Engineer in ICTs<br> P. O. Box<br> 32736<br> Dar es<br> Salaam<br> Tanzania<br> Tel: <a href=3D"tel:%2B255-784-786429" value=3D"+255784786429" target=3D"_= blank">+255-784-786429</a><br> Fax: <a href=3D"tel:%2B255--732-920133" value=3D"+255732920133" target=3D"= _blank">+255--732-920133</a><br> Email: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">engzaipuna= @ieee.org</a><br> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br> It is About Engineering People's Lives!=C2=A0&=C2=A0Advancing<br> Technology for<br> Humanity!=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM,<br> Walubengo J <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">jwalu= @yahoo.com</a>><br> wrote:<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> =C2=A0<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Folks,(apologies for cross-posting)<br> <br> <br> <br> This comes as a suprise. One would have thought Kenya and TZ<br> by virtue of "owning" the International Internet<br> conne Submarine connectivity/Gatewyas at Mombasa and Dar<br> respectively, they would offer the cheapest Internet costs.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> But according to the latest 2013 ITU report that has been<br> tracking and measuring affordability of internet, UG is<br> ranked no 139, TZ at no 143 and Kenya at no 149 globally in<br> terms of affordability.<br> <br> <br> <br> Cost of broadband internet in Kenya is put at 49% of the<br> Gross National Income(GNI) compared to .UG at 32%. Put<br> differently it costs an average Kenyan half(50%) his salary<br> to connect to a broadband internet link. In SA it is about<br> 4% of their GNI.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Those who can withstand the statistics/readings can pull the<br> Executive Report at <br> <br> <a href=3D"http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/publications/m= is2013/MIS2013-exec-sum_E.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-= D/Statistics/Documents/publications/mis2013/MIS2013-exec-sum_E.pdf</a><br> <br> <br> <br> @ CS Matiang'i - this could be part of your bedtime<br> reading collection :-)<br> <br> <br> <br> walu.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br></div></div><div class=3D"im"> _______________________________________________<br> <br> kictanet mailing list<br> <br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">kictane= [email protected]</a><br> <br> <a href=3D"https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target= =3D"_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br> <br> <br> <br> Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href=3D"https://lists.kictanet.or= .ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">https:/= /lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com</a><br> <br> <br> <br> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a<br> multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions<br> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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