Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test
Listers, Disclaimer: This is not to disregard Yawe's candidature. I have been silently following the 'self-campaign' by one Robert Yawe in his quest of becoming the Post Master General, at Postal Corporation of Kenya. I have also noticed the passionate he has of reviving this important agency back to where it was in yesteryears. This passion, I can state, comes as a result of mass wastage the organization does; not changing with times, has more workers but less output, corruption and perhaps political interference. Now, as long as PCK remains a state-run corporation, the PMG, must be someone who is bound by various laws, notably Public Officers Ethics Act etc. In line with this, Bw. Yawe, how does your qualification (Academic & non-academic) relate well with Chapter 6 of the Constitution? PS: Remember our MPs the other day turned down some nominees because they considered them 'impassionate' yet qualified. Thanks Regards, Solomon
Hi Solomon, I am open to scrutiny, the problem with the rejected candidates for the anti-corruption office is more a fact that they are perceived as being effective due to the information they will have access to such as the KRA databases in addition he failed to collect as collecting by auctioning off the organisation would have killed a tax payer and left many Kenyan's jobless thus who took the lesser evil, but that is besides the point. The Post Master General is a very mundane post that will actually be a waste of time to expect members of parliament to spend time with the recruitment. The PMG is not even a voting member of the board of directors of the corporation which makes him a mere manager. Every post office has a post master and the post master general is the chief post master and normally the post would be filled by one of the other post masters without the need for external vetting, so stop looking at the post like it was the Commissioner General of KRA. It makes no sense to want to vet the PMG yet the people with the power, BOD, are not vetted I think we are barking up the wrong tree. Solomon, what do you think are the indications of one being ethical and which academic and non-academic qualifications are required to fill the post of Post Master General? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011, 12:36 Subject: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test Listers, Disclaimer: This is not to disregard Yawe's candidature. I have been silently following the 'self-campaign' by one Robert Yawe in his quest of becoming the Post Master General, at Postal Corporation of Kenya. I have also noticed the passionate he has of reviving this important agency back to where it was in yesteryears. This passion, I can state, comes as a result of mass wastage the organization does; not changing with times, has more workers but less output, corruption and perhaps political interference. Now, as long as PCK remains a state-run corporation, the PMG, must be someone who is bound by various laws, notably Public Officers Ethics Act etc. In line with this, Bw. Yawe, how does your qualification (Academic & non-academic) relate well with Chapter 6 of the Constitution? PS: Remember our MPs the other day turned down some nominees because they considered them 'impassionate' yet qualified. Thanks Regards, Solomon _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hi Solomon, I realise that I did not answer your main question which was on my academic qualifications. When I initially made my sentiments known on this list about the post of PMG the issue of my academic qualifications came up, I do not have a degree but I refuse to think of that as a hindrance to my abilities in turning PCK around. For a long time I felt that the solution to the issue of my academic qualifications had a single clear solution was to get a degree, an issue that has even come up on the domestic front, and for a while I pursued that direction. That was until the issue of parliamentarians needing to have a university degree was brought up in the draft constitution and immediately those without degrees started donating libraries to universities in exchange for honorary (given for honor only, without the usual requirements) degrees while others paid for work credit based degrees from a plethora of online universities. It is dawned on me that if a piece of paper that had no real value to either the community or myself is what stood between me and the post of PMG or any other office then I would rather not get the post. I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources and I believe you will agree with me that those resources would be better used by sponsoring a needy student to university or through secondary school. The post of president, governor, senator, parliamentarian or any other position of leadership is about using available resources to achieve an objective an not being the resource. PCK has hundreds of highly educated employees who have the skills to execute but without the right direction they will remain loose canons, I am the gunner who can align them to the target. Regards PS. This response was triggered after I was told yesterday by a friend that I am no longer employable as my experience would be best harnessed at board level, I agree. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011, 12:36 Subject: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test Listers, Disclaimer: This is not to disregard Yawe's candidature. I have been silently following the 'self-campaign' by one Robert Yawe in his quest of becoming the Post Master General, at Postal Corporation of Kenya. I have also noticed the passionate he has of reviving this important agency back to where it was in yesteryears. This passion, I can state, comes as a result of mass wastage the organization does; not changing with times, has more workers but less output, corruption and perhaps political interference. Now, as long as PCK remains a state-run corporation, the PMG, must be someone who is bound by various laws, notably Public Officers Ethics Act etc. In line with this, Bw. Yawe, how does your qualification (Academic & non-academic) relate well with Chapter 6 of the Constitution? PS: Remember our MPs the other day turned down some nominees because they considered them 'impassionate' yet qualified. Thanks Regards, Solomon _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
--- On Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources ~~~~~~~~~~ Yawe, Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can. walu. --- On Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 8:42 AM Hi Solomon, I realise that I did not answer your main question which was on my academic qualifications. When I initially made my sentiments known on this list about the post of PMG the issue of my academic qualifications came up, I do not have a degree but I refuse to think of that as a hindrance to my abilities in turning PCK around. For a long time I felt that the solution to the issue of my academic qualifications had a single clear solution was to get a degree, an issue that has even come up on the domestic front, and for a while I pursued that direction. That was until the issue of parliamentarians needing to have a university degree was brought up in the draft constitution and immediately those without degrees started donating libraries to universities in exchange for honorary (given for honor only, without the usual requirements) degrees while others paid for work credit based degrees from a plethora of online universities. It is dawned on me that if a piece of paper that had no real value to either the community or myself is what stood between me and the post of PMG or any other office then I would rather not get the post. I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources and I believe you will agree with me that those resources would be better used by sponsoring a needy student to university or through secondary school. The post of president, governor, senator, parliamentarian or any other position of leadership is about using available resources to achieve an objective an not being the resource. PCK has hundreds of highly educated employees who have the skills to execute but without the right direction they will remain loose canons, I am the gunner who can align them to the target. Regards PS. This response was triggered after I was told yesterday by a friend that I am no longer employable as my experience would be best harnessed at board level, I agree. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011, 12:36 Subject: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test Listers, Disclaimer: This is not to disregard Yawe's candidature. I have been silently following the 'self-campaign' by one Robert Yawe in his quest of becoming the Post Master General, at Postal Corporation of Kenya. I have also noticed the passionate he has of reviving this important agency back to where it was in yesteryears. This passion, I can state, comes as a result of mass wastage the organization does; not changing with times, has more workers but less output, corruption and perhaps political interference. Now, as long as PCK remains a state-run corporation, the PMG, must be someone who is bound by various laws, notably Public Officers Ethics Act etc. In line with this, Bw. Yawe, how does your qualification (Academic & non-academic) relate well with Chapter 6 of the Constitution? PS: Remember our MPs the other day turned down some nominees because they considered them 'impassionate' yet qualified. 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You are right Walu. Learning has to be a passion. It is unfortunate that many Kenyans can only agree to read when it might lead to a job. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Walubengo J wrote: --- On Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources ~~~~~~~~~~ Yawe, Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can. walu. --- On Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 8:42 AM Hi Solomon, I realise that I did not answer your main question which was on my academic qualifications. When I initially made my sentiments known on this list about the post of PMG the issue of my academic qualifications came up, I do not have a degree but I refuse to think of that as a hindrance to my abilities in turning PCK around. For a long time I felt that the solution to the issue of my academic qualifications had a single clear solution was to get a degree, an issue that has even come up on the domestic front, and for a while I pursued that direction. That was until the issue of parliamentarians needing to have a university degree was brought up in the draft constitution and immediately those without degrees started donating libraries to universities in exchange for honorary (given for honor only, without the usual requirements) degrees while others paid for work credit based degrees from a plethora of online universities. It is dawned on me that if a piece of paper that had no real value to either the community or myself is what stood between me and the post of PMG or any other office then I would rather not get the post. I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources and I believe you will agree with me that those resources would be better used by sponsoring a needy student to university or through secondary school. The post of president, governor, senator, parliamentarian or any other position of leadership is about using available resources to achieve an objective an not being the resource. PCK has hundreds of highly educated employees who have the skills to execute but without the right direction they will remain loose canons, I am the gunner who can align them to the target. Regards PS. This response was triggered after I was told yesterday by a friend that I am no longer employable as my experience would be best harnessed at board level, I agree. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ____________________________________________________________ From: Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011, 12:36 Subject: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test Listers, Disclaimer: This is not to disregard Yawe's candidature. I have been silently following the 'self-campaign' by one Robert Yawe in his quest of becoming the Post Master General, at Postal Corporation of Kenya. I have also noticed the passionate he has of reviving this important agency back to where it was in yesteryears. This passion, I can state, comes as a result of mass wastage the organization does; not changing with times, has more workers but less output, corruption and perhaps political interference. Now, as long as PCK remains a state-run corporation, the PMG, must be someone who is bound by various laws, notably Public Officers Ethics Act etc. In line with this, Bw. Yawe, how does your qualification (Academic & non-academic) relate well with Chapter 6 of the Constitution? PS: Remember our MPs the other day turned down some nominees because they considered them 'impassionate' yet qualified. Thanks Regards, Solomon _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke [1]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at [2]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyaw e%40yahoo.co.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:44, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- On *Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources ~~~~~~~~~~ Yawe,
Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can.
@Walu, For once, I have completely failed to understand the type of justification you have used to try and convice Bobby to get a degree. With this particular reasoning, wasn't this degree as a good as a paper for the water closet? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
With the current state of our university education, what value is it for the people taking up this jobs. What does university education add to them that they previously lacked? On 21 December 2011 10:13, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:44, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- On *Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources ~~~~~~~~~~ Yawe,
Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can.
@Walu,
For once, I have completely failed to understand the type of justification you have used to try and convice Bobby to get a degree. With this particular reasoning, wasn't this degree as a good as a paper for the water closet?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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as Walu said .. you do a degree because you can :) It adds minimal value to your job/life Those quadratic equations :) On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
With the current state of our university education, what value is it for the people taking up this jobs. What does university education add to them that they previously lacked?
On 21 December 2011 10:13, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:44, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- On *Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources ~~~~~~~~~~ Yawe,
Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can.
@Walu,
For once, I have completely failed to understand the type of justification you have used to try and convice Bobby to get a degree. With this particular reasoning, wasn't this degree as a good as a paper for the water closet?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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--- On Wed, 12/21/11, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 10:13 AM On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:44, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: --- On Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources ~~~~~~~~~~ Yawe, Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can. @Walu, For once, I have completely failed to understand the type of justification you have used to try and convice Bobby to get a degree. With this particular reasoning, wasn't this degree as a good as a paper for the water closet? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. @Wash, Dont try to understand the reason - because there is none ;-) People like Yawe do not actually need a degree nor a reason to do it. Mostly they simply do the degree because they can. Much like Bill Gates or Manu Chandaria donate money for various causes because they can..donating the money or retaining it does not change their status; but eventually they prefer to donate, its probably just part of self-actualization. But lets not dwell on Yawe - I think this week is about V2030... walu.
Even Kim Jong-il had a degree http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il#Education while Steven Paul Jobs career was massively limited by lack of an actual degree, with a preference to attend classes instead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Early_life_and_education Several organisations in Kenya would have been managed worse, hadn't they not be lucky enough to have MBA graduands running them
If this week is for vision 2030, and the same vision envisage some transformation to our education system (including university education), then how comes university degree's are now just pieces of paper which you go for just because you can get it? If you have some knowledge (without any degree), then you don't look for the any position where they require a degree. Use the knowledge at your disposal to start something and run it efficiently so that those with degrees find it necessary to come work for you. Bill Gates doesn't have a degree alright, but there are thousands of degree holders who the "real programmers" at Microsoft! Regards Adar On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- On *Wed, 12/21/11, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 10:13 AM
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:44, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
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--- On *Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
* wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources
Yawe, Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can. @Walu, For once, I have completely failed to understand the type of justification you have used to try and convice Bobby to get a degree. With this particular reasoning, wasn't this degree as a good as a paper for the water closet? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. @Wash, Dont try to understand the reason - because there is none ;-) People like Yawe do not actually need a degree nor a reason to do it. Mostly they simply do the degree because they can. Much like Bill Gates or Manu Chandaria donate money for various causes because they can..donating the money or retaining it does not change their status; but eventually they prefer to donate, its probably just part of self-actualization. But lets not dwell on Yawe - I think this week is about V2030... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/philip.adar%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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I think education has value, even though sometimes we may not realise it. Yesterday I was just discussing with a colleague about the difference between UoN graduates and others at my place of work. I have come to observe that UoN graduates, seem to have some added, untouchable value (call it ooomf) and they are heading most teams. And I think this is due to the whole experience of being in that University while pursuing a degree. So, there are still places where people are acquiring holistic education and this makes quite a difference at work. Of course this is not to belittle those who have not acquired degrees, circumstances are different. 2011/12/21 Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com>
If this week is for vision 2030, and the same vision envisage some transformation to our education system (including university education), then how comes university degree's are now just pieces of paper which you go for just because you can get it?
If you have some knowledge (without any degree), then you don't look for the any position where they require a degree. Use the knowledge at your disposal to start something and run it efficiently so that those with degrees find it necessary to come work for you. Bill Gates doesn't have a degree alright, but there are thousands of degree holders who the "real programmers" at Microsoft!
Regards Adar
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- On *Wed, 12/21/11, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 10:13 AM
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:44, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
--- On *Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
* wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources
Yawe, Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can. @Walu, For once, I have completely failed to understand the type of justification you have used to try and convice Bobby to get a degree. With this particular reasoning, wasn't this degree as a good as a paper for the water closet? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. @Wash, Dont try to understand the reason - because there is none ;-) People like Yawe do not actually need a degree nor a reason to do it. Mostly they simply do the degree because they can. Much like Bill Gates or Manu Chandaria donate money for various causes because they can..donating the money or retaining it does not change their status; but eventually they prefer to donate, its probably just part of self-actualization. But lets not dwell on Yawe - I think this week is about V2030... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/philip.adar%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.-- Regards
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You do realise UoN graduates are mostly from JAB , and you know of JAB cut off points
well, if a school has high standards.....anyway in my field(law) graduates are a mix because now we have the same number of Module II students as JAB students. But the point is that the oomf is not only a matter of intelligence, but also confidence, experience in addressing issues... 2011/12/21 Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
You do realise UoN graduates are mostly from JAB , and you know of JAB cut off points
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Solomon, I was looking for support before making the following remarks. When the time comes for the selection of a new PMG I hope that there will be a number of criteria used in evaluating the candidates of which paper qualifications need not have a higher score than other areas. What I want to evaluated on is my experience, understanding of PCK, a vision to take it forward, and that elusive gut feeling about what needs to get done. Getting someone to maintain the status quo is not rocket science as has been seen over the years, finding an undertaker to strip and shut-down PCK is a walk in the park but the true test is finding someone who can turn it around and make it leap into the 21st Century. I strongly believe that person is me. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 16:52 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test well, if a school has high standards.....anyway in my field(law) graduates are a mix because now we have the same number of Module II students as JAB students. But the point is that the oomf is not only a matter of intelligence, but also confidence, experience in addressing issues... 2011/12/21 Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> You do realise UoN graduates are mostly from JAB , and you know of JAB cut off points
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Well, being a country of limited resources, any criteria that can be used is being employed to eliminate those with access said resources, eg jobs, housing, etc. In this case, emphasis on the degree as a requirenment to get a job was more are a point on the qualification boards than what it actually meant. Thats why the quality of said degree programmes has really diminished but no one is actually crying foul over this. Because its quality does not come out clearly. Being as is and working with what we have, at the level where Yawe is, say age and experience. The most logical things to consider in his hire are his philosophy, experience and prudent track record. A 198 degree is irrelevant. if you pitch him against a degree holder of his time frame that went home to ruminate, will you really say Yawe is least qualified. In this day and age, and with a looming vision 2030, we really need to cut out the sentiment and go with what trully makes sense. #onward ... On 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Solomon,
I was looking for support before making the following remarks.
When the time comes for the selection of a new PMG I hope that there will be a number of criteria used in evaluating the candidates of which paper qualifications need not have a higher score than other areas.
What I want to evaluated on is my experience, understanding of PCK, a vision to take it forward, and that elusive gut feeling about what needs to get done.
Getting someone to maintain the status quo is not rocket science as has been seen over the years, finding an undertaker to strip and shut-down PCK is a walk in the park but the true test is finding someone who can turn it around and make it leap into the 21st Century.
I strongly believe that person is me.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 16:52 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test
well, if a school has high standards.....anyway in my field(law) graduates are a mix because now we have the same number of Module II students as JAB students. But the point is that the oomf is not only a matter of intelligence, but also confidence, experience in addressing issues...
2011/12/21 Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
You do realise UoN graduates are mostly from JAB , and you know of JAB cut off points
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Robert, We do not go to University to get papers. Education is a great differentiator in the market. Just as in Marketing, wherever there is plenty of similar products, we tend to differentiate in order to make it competitive. You cannot avoid using a cologne simply because you think that it adds no value. Research shows that women who use make up are often considered more beautiful even if they are not. These are public perceptions. Perceptions indeed impact on our decision making. Because there are many non-degreed Kenyans, we must find ways of satisfying public perceptions on quality of service from any individual. If we appointed you PMG and any of the former or sitting Nairobi Mayors claims to deserve it the for having been responsible for a large workforce, we shall be faced with a credible challenge. How shall we then justify your appointment? The truth is when you will be 50, you will either be having a degree or non at all but with regrets when you discover that there was more to University education than just the paper. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:29:10 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dr. Bitange, The degree in many of the cases where we are insisting they are required have resulted in them being merely paper qualifications and I refuse to be part of this fraud. It is not that I cannot get a degree overnight, with US$ 1,500/- I can receive a degree from an on-line University in the same way that many of the members of parliament and preachers (Right Left Reverend of the Redeemed Divine and Apostolic Church of the Living and Truly omni potent church of the Rhine) have done. In your genuine opinion will that degree be worth the paper i will have printed it on? Since all that is requested is a degree irrespective of which university issued it or the discipline I will have passed the perception test and nothing else, I will be as qualified as the quake doctor is perceived to be trained and licensed because he wears a white "dust" coat and hangs a stethoscope around his neck. The issue was raised about the preference of UON graduates to those from other local universities, as it is with MIT, Yale and Oxford, it is more about the experience of being among great minds all seeking knowledge while in the right environment what I would call academic ambiance that determines the resultant output (Mk 4:3-9) Having a University situated above a bar, next to a fish market and below a brothel will never produce the same quality graduate as one that is situated in its own 200 acre campus. Because of perception we are allowing business people, me included, to dish out paper qualifications as we impoverish families, the more I age the more I digress. Dr. Ndemo, I again repeat what I said in my previous post that if my appointment was pegged on my having a degree then I rest my case as I will not become an academic fraud by buying a piece of paper to fulfil the perception of society. As a director of PCK I would request you to have the HR department give you a list of the number of MBA graduates on the payroll of the organisation then answer the question why is it that they are making no change. PCK has over the years been used as a place to send ageing politically correct politicians and civil servants which is why it has deteriorated to this point, so long as we continue to use perceptions to fill the post of PMG we might as well have the tomb stone cast. Regards PS. Most of the former Nairobi Mayors including the famous His Worship Kingori now have degrees as you will see when they present their nomination papers for governor. Also a number of very successful businessmen who are interested in elect office have been enriching students as they pursue university degrees. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 19:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test Robert, We do not go to University to get papers. Education is a great differentiator in the market. Just as in Marketing, wherever there is plenty of similar products, we tend to differentiate in order to make it competitive. You cannot avoid using a cologne simply because you think that it adds no value. Research shows that women who use make up are often considered more beautiful even if they are not. These are public perceptions. Perceptions indeed impact on our decision making. Because there are many non-degreed Kenyans, we must find ways of satisfying public perceptions on quality of service from any individual. If we appointed you PMG and any of the former or sitting Nairobi Mayors claims to deserve it the for having been responsible for a large workforce, we shall be faced with a credible challenge. How shall we then justify your appointment? The truth is when you will be 50, you will either be having a degree or non at all but with regrets when you discover that there was more to University education than just the paper. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:29:10 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Bwana Yawe and listers, Happy 2012. The real intent of putting forth this subject, is to interrogate the ability of Yawe, or any other potential cadidature for the position of PMG. Since it has been observed that anyone wishing to be appointed for any public positon needs to satisfy certain requirements, mostly drawn in Chapter 6 of the Constitution of Kenya. I find three extreme stands on this subject: 1. Those who opine that education is an important aspect for improving the general well-being of an individual 2. Those who do not think education is of any value 3. A stand in-between While education is important as it opens doors for individuals to gain access to aspects such as economic and social well-being, as long as a person is able to make decisions that are of value towards the improvement of the general society. My personal view is education shold not be a hinderance to a person's capability. Back to Yawe or any other interested person. - Do you still, if the opportunity arises, consider yourself a candidate for the position of PMG? - How would you turn this state corporation profitable, in the shortestt time possible? Thanks Regards, Solomon On 22 December 2011 12:49, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Dr. Bitange,
The degree in many of the cases where we are insisting they are required have resulted in them being merely paper qualifications and I refuse to be part of this fraud.
It is not that I cannot get a degree overnight, with US$ 1,500/- I can receive a degree from an on-line University in the same way that many of the members of parliament and preachers (Right Left Reverend of the Redeemed Divine and Apostolic Church of the Living and Truly omni potent church of the Rhine) have done.
In your genuine opinion will that degree be worth the paper i will have printed it on?
Since all that is requested is a degree irrespective of which university issued it or the discipline I will have passed the perception test and nothing else, I will be as qualified as the quake doctor is perceived to be trained and licensed because he wears a white "dust" coat and hangs a stethoscope around his neck.
The issue was raised about the preference of UON graduates to those from other local universities, as it is with MIT, Yale and Oxford, it is more about the experience of being among great minds all seeking knowledge while in the right environment what I would call academic ambiance that determines the resultant output (*Mk 4:3-9<http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Mk%204.3-9> )*
Having a University situated above a bar, next to a fish market and below a brothel will never produce the same quality graduate as one that is situated in its own 200 acre campus.
Because of perception we are allowing business people, me included, to dish out paper qualifications as we impoverish families, the more I age the more I digress.
Dr. Ndemo, I again repeat what I said in my previous post that if my appointment was pegged on my having a degree then I rest my case as I will not become an academic fraud by buying a piece of paper to fulfil the perception of society.
As a director of PCK I would request you to have the HR department give you a list of the number of MBA graduates on the payroll of the organisation then answer the question why is it that they are making no change.
PCK has over the years been used as a place to send ageing politically correct politicians and civil servants which is why it has deteriorated to this point, so long as we continue to use perceptions to fill the post of PMG we might as well have the tomb stone cast.
Regards
PS. Most of the former Nairobi Mayors including the famous His Worship Kingori now have degrees as you will see when they present their nomination papers for governor. Also a number of very successful businessmen who are interested in elect office have been enriching students as they pursue university degrees.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke>
*To:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 19:00
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test
Robert, We do not go to University to get papers. Education is a great differentiator in the market. Just as in Marketing, wherever there is plenty of similar products, we tend to differentiate in order to make it competitive.
You cannot avoid using a cologne simply because you think that it adds no value. Research shows that women who use make up are often considered more beautiful even if they are not. These are public perceptions. Perceptions indeed impact on our decision making. Because there are many non-degreed Kenyans, we must find ways of satisfying public perceptions on quality of service from any individual.
If we appointed you PMG and any of the former or sitting Nairobi Mayors claims to deserve it the for having been responsible for a large workforce, we shall be faced with a credible challenge. How shall we then justify your appointment?
The truth is when you will be 50, you will either be having a degree or non at all but with regrets when you discover that there was more to University education than just the paper.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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@Solomon, Are you sure you want Bobby to answer these questions all over again?? I think Robert has elaborately (falling short of just laying open his plan) discussed several avenues he'd use to turn around PCK. The archives of this list are available at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/, but a clever google search directed towards the same can probably yield better results than the simple search. However, I am not trying to dissuade Robert from answering questions which obviously were not directed towards me:-) On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 13:32, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Bwana Yawe and listers,
Happy 2012.
The real intent of putting forth this subject, is to interrogate the ability of Yawe, or any other potential cadidature for the position of PMG. Since it has been observed that anyone wishing to be appointed for any public positon needs to satisfy certain requirements, mostly drawn in Chapter 6 of the Constitution of Kenya.
I find three extreme stands on this subject:
1. Those who opine that education is an important aspect for improving the general well-being of an individual 2. Those who do not think education is of any value 3. A stand in-between
While education is important as it opens doors for individuals to gain access to aspects such as economic and social well-being, as long as a person is able to make decisions that are of value towards the improvement of the general society.
My personal view is education shold not be a hinderance to a person's capability.
Back to Yawe or any other interested person.
- Do you still, if the opportunity arises, consider yourself a candidate for the position of PMG? - How would you turn this state corporation profitable, in the shortestt time possible?
Thanks
Regards,
Solomon
On 22 December 2011 12:49, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Dr. Bitange,
The degree in many of the cases where we are insisting they are required have resulted in them being merely paper qualifications and I refuse to be part of this fraud.
It is not that I cannot get a degree overnight, with US$ 1,500/- I can receive a degree from an on-line University in the same way that many of the members of parliament and preachers (Right Left Reverend of the Redeemed Divine and Apostolic Church of the Living and Truly omni potent church of the Rhine) have done.
In your genuine opinion will that degree be worth the paper i will have printed it on?
Since all that is requested is a degree irrespective of which university issued it or the discipline I will have passed the perception test and nothing else, I will be as qualified as the quake doctor is perceived to be trained and licensed because he wears a white "dust" coat and hangs a stethoscope around his neck.
The issue was raised about the preference of UON graduates to those from other local universities, as it is with MIT, Yale and Oxford, it is more about the experience of being among great minds all seeking knowledge while in the right environment what I would call academic ambiance that determines the resultant output (*Mk 4:3-9<http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Mk%204.3-9> )*
Having a University situated above a bar, next to a fish market and below a brothel will never produce the same quality graduate as one that is situated in its own 200 acre campus.
Because of perception we are allowing business people, me included, to dish out paper qualifications as we impoverish families, the more I age the more I digress.
Dr. Ndemo, I again repeat what I said in my previous post that if my appointment was pegged on my having a degree then I rest my case as I will not become an academic fraud by buying a piece of paper to fulfil the perception of society.
As a director of PCK I would request you to have the HR department give you a list of the number of MBA graduates on the payroll of the organisation then answer the question why is it that they are making no change.
PCK has over the years been used as a place to send ageing politically correct politicians and civil servants which is why it has deteriorated to this point, so long as we continue to use perceptions to fill the post of PMG we might as well have the tomb stone cast.
Regards
PS. Most of the former Nairobi Mayors including the famous His Worship Kingori now have degrees as you will see when they present their nomination papers for governor. Also a number of very successful businessmen who are interested in elect office have been enriching students as they pursue university degrees.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke>
*To:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 19:00
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test
Robert, We do not go to University to get papers. Education is a great differentiator in the market. Just as in Marketing, wherever there is plenty of similar products, we tend to differentiate in order to make it competitive.
You cannot avoid using a cologne simply because you think that it adds no value. Research shows that women who use make up are often considered more beautiful even if they are not. These are public perceptions. Perceptions indeed impact on our decision making. Because there are many non-degreed Kenyans, we must find ways of satisfying public perceptions on quality of service from any individual.
If we appointed you PMG and any of the former or sitting Nairobi Mayors claims to deserve it the for having been responsible for a large workforce, we shall be faced with a credible challenge. How shall we then justify your appointment?
The truth is when you will be 50, you will either be having a degree or non at all but with regrets when you discover that there was more to University education than just the paper.
Ndemo.
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Solomon, I had taken a much overdue holiday and decided that it would only be effective if I kept totally away from computers. I am know back, here are my answers to your questions Do you still, if the opportunity arises, consider yourself a candidate for the position of PMG? - Yes, I continue to place myself out there as a candidate for the post of PMG How would you turn this state corporation profitable, in the shortest time possible? - PCK is a sleeping giant that only needs to be woken up, with its physical facilities still intact (include the plot opposite Yaya Centre thanks to the AG) this is an easy process as simple as pinching its noose. PCK is a logistics company and the sooner this is realised by its employees and owners (GOK) the sooner the organisation can begin to provide employment and training opportunities as well as contributing to the exchequer. With over 600 physical locations evenly distributed across the country PCK remains the single largest logistics organisation in the country today. If for example Safaricom was to entrust PCK with its logistical requirements for SIM cards and airtime the organisation will immediately meet its payroll costs. For over 3 years I have preached that PCK is the missing link in the implementation of ecommerce in the country a conviction I still retain. With 14 million internet users and over 17 million mobile money users the only reason why Kenya continues to have a disparity in product pricing is the lack of an efficient and reliable logistics provider. Regards PS. Telkom Kenya was the only player that could make mobile telephony what it is today because it had the reach all that Vodafone did was leverage on an existing infrastructure. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2012, 13:32 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test Bwana Yawe and listers, Happy 2012. The real intent of putting forth this subject, is to interrogate the ability of Yawe, or any other potential cadidature for the position of PMG. Since it has been observed that anyone wishing to be appointed for any public positon needs to satisfy certain requirements, mostly drawn in Chapter 6 of the Constitution of Kenya. I find three extreme stands on this subject: 1. Those who opine that education is an important aspect for improving the general well-being of an individual 2. Those who do not think education is of any value 3. A stand in-betweenWhile education is important as it opens doors for individuals to gain access to aspects such as economic and social well-being, as long as a person is able to make decisions that are of value towards the improvement of the general society. My personal view is education shold not be a hinderance to a person's capability. Back to Yawe or any other interested person. * Do you still, if the opportunity arises, consider yourself a candidate for the position of PMG? * How would you turn this state corporation profitable, in the shortestt time possible? Thanks Regards, Solomon On 22 December 2011 12:49, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Dr. Bitange,
The degree in many of the cases where we are insisting they are required have resulted in them being merely paper qualifications and I refuse to be part of this fraud.
It is not that I cannot get a degree overnight, with US$ 1,500/- I can receive a degree from an on-line University in the same way that many of the members of parliament and preachers (Right Left Reverend of the Redeemed Divine and Apostolic Church of the Living and Truly omni potent church of the Rhine) have done.
In your genuine opinion will that degree be worth the paper i will have printed it on?
Since all that is requested is a degree irrespective of which university issued it or the discipline I will have passed the perception test and nothing else, I will be as qualified as the quake doctor is perceived to be trained and licensed because he wears a white "dust" coat and hangs a stethoscope around his neck.
The issue was raised about the preference of UON graduates to those from other local universities, as it is with MIT, Yale and Oxford, it is more about the experience of being among great minds all seeking knowledge while in the right environment what I would call academic ambiance that determines the resultant output (Mk 4:3-9)
Having a University situated above a bar, next to a fish market and below a brothel will never produce the same quality graduate as one that is situated in its own 200 acre campus.
Because of perception we are allowing business people, me included, to dish out paper qualifications as we impoverish families, the more I age the more I digress.
Dr. Ndemo, I again repeat what I said in my previous post that if my appointment was pegged on my having a degree then I rest my case as I will not become an academic fraud by buying a piece of paper to fulfil the perception of society.
As a director of PCK I would request you to have the HR department give you a list of the number of MBA graduates on the payroll of the organisation then answer the question why is it that they are making no change.
PCK has over the years been used as a place to send ageing politically correct politicians and civil servants which is why it has deteriorated to this point, so long as we continue to use perceptions to fill the post of PMG we might as well have the tomb stone cast.
Regards
PS. Most of the former Nairobi Mayors including the famous His Worship Kingori now have degrees as you will see when they present their nomination papers for governor. Also a number of very successful businessmen who are interested in elect office have been enriching students as they pursue university degrees. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O
Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 19:00
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test
Robert, We do not go to University to get papers. Education is a great differentiator in the market. Just as in Marketing, wherever there is plenty of similar products, we tend to differentiate in order to make it competitive.
You cannot avoid using a cologne simply because you think that it adds no value. Research shows that women who use make up are often considered more beautiful even if they are not. These are public perceptions. Perceptions indeed impact on our decision making. Because there are many non-degreed Kenyans, we must find ways of satisfying public perceptions on quality of service from any individual.
If we appointed you PMG and any of the former or sitting Nairobi Mayors claims to deserve it the for having been responsible for a large workforce, we shall be faced with a credible challenge. How shall we then justify your appointment?
The truth is when you will be 50, you will either be having a degree or non at all but with regrets when you discover that there was more to University education than just the paper.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Thats what they say about Degrees ... they add ooomf .. they just light up the room but when push comes to shove, they mean little at least in software development ... On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think education has value, even though sometimes we may not realise it. Yesterday I was just discussing with a colleague about the difference between UoN graduates and others at my place of work. I have come to observe that UoN graduates, seem to have some added, untouchable value (call it ooomf) and they are heading most teams. And I think this is due to the whole experience of being in that University while pursuing a degree. So, there are still places where people are acquiring holistic education and this makes quite a difference at work. Of course this is not to belittle those who have not acquired degrees, circumstances are different.
2011/12/21 Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com>
If this week is for vision 2030, and the same vision envisage some transformation to our education system (including university education), then how comes university degree's are now just pieces of paper which you go for just because you can get it?
If you have some knowledge (without any degree), then you don't look for the any position where they require a degree. Use the knowledge at your disposal to start something and run it efficiently so that those with degrees find it necessary to come work for you. Bill Gates doesn't have a degree alright, but there are thousands of degree holders who the "real programmers" at Microsoft!
Regards Adar
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- On *Wed, 12/21/11, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 10:13 AM
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:44, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
--- On *Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
* wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources
Yawe, Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can. @Walu, For once, I have completely failed to understand the type of justification you have used to try and convice Bobby to get a degree. With this particular reasoning, wasn't this degree as a good as a paper for the water closet? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. @Wash, Dont try to understand the reason - because there is none ;-) People like Yawe do not actually need a degree nor a reason to do it. Mostly they simply do the degree because they can. Much like Bill Gates or Manu Chandaria donate money for various causes because they can..donating the money or retaining it does not change their status; but eventually they prefer to donate, its probably just part of self-actualization. But lets not dwell on Yawe - I think this week is about V2030... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/philip.adar%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.-- Regards
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Philip, as a Mwalimu I can tell you a degree is indeed important. HOWEVER, if you closely read my earlier comments, you will realise that it was tailored to "people like Yawe". For people who are already "settled" in their whatever they are doing, a degree or not may not change their fortunes/status. Such people would seek to get a degree because they simply can. For a larger majority of us Kenyans, however, we do get a degree because we NEED to or have to. Indeed am working on my 3rd degree because I have to - not because I can ;-). walu. --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com> wrote: From: Philip Adar <philip.adar@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 3:22 PM If this week is for vision 2030, and the same vision envisage some transformation to our education system (including university education), then how comes university degree's are now just pieces of paper which you go for just because you can get it? If you have some knowledge (without any degree), then you don't look for the any position where they require a degree. Use the knowledge at your disposal to start something and run it efficiently so that those with degrees find it necessary to come work for you. Bill Gates doesn't have a degree alright, but there are thousands of degree holders who the "real programmers" at Microsoft! Regards Adar On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Robert Yawe for PMG Integrity test To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 10:13 AM On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:44, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: --- On Wed, 12/21/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I am not trying in any way to belittle the need for university education, it is essential for a younger person but at 45 years of age it will be a waste of valuable time and resources ~~~~~~~~~~ Yawe, Dont try to ran away from a degree bwana! I know a Kenyan colleague who got a degree at 65yrs of age. Not because they were looking for a job, but just because they could (had the opportunity, the brain and resources to do it). I strongly believe you have the opportunity, the brain and the resources to get that degree - just because you can. @Walu, For once, I have completely failed to understand the type of justification you have used to try and convice Bobby to get a degree. With this particular reasoning, wasn't this degree as a good as a paper for the water closet? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. @Wash, Dont try to understand the reason - because there is none ;-) People like Yawe do not actually need a degree nor a reason to do it. Mostly they simply do the degree because they can. Much like Bill Gates or Manu Chandaria donate money for various causes because they can..donating the money or retaining it does not change their status; but eventually they prefer to donate, its probably just part of self-actualization. But lets not dwell on Yawe - I think this week is about V2030... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/philip.adar%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards Philip Adar
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Walubengo J -
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