The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP)
Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? Regards, Harry
There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details. John Kariuki --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39 Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? Regards, Harry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40ya...
A few years ago, under the EARPTO, we (TESPOK & AfrISPA) initiated a pilot EAC Regional Internet Exchange Carrier programme. Under this programme, the Tanzanian ISP - Simbanet came out tops in the RFP. They then deployed sat-based infrastructure linking KIXP and TIXP, but had some challenges getting UIXP online. They managed to get about 7 ISPs in TZ and about 4 in Kenya to connect to their infrastructure. Within a few weeks of this, the setup was shifting 10Gb a week! - keeping it off the member ISPs expensive international links. This was clear evidence of the need for such a service. It is my hope that with the ongoing rollout of regional fiber optics we will see one or more carriers who take up this opportunity to provide inter-ixp transit to keep "regional traffic regional" just the way the IXPs keep "local traffic local" Best regards, Brian On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:06 AM, John Kariuki <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details.
John Kariuki
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From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39
Listers,
I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...?
For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS.
This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity..
I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..?
Regards,
Harry
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Thanks alot John, Am checking this out... Harry _____ From: John Kariuki [mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:07 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details. John Kariuki --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39 Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? Regards, Harry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://uk.mc275.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk <http://uk.mc275.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk
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Dear Harry, COMESA already has a concept paper on the RIXP. Please contact the Director of Information and Networking in COMESA Secretariat Sherin Shoukry on shoukry@comesa.int for more information. Also visit www.comesa.int and see the progress made in regard to IT. There you will find the reports of the IT technical committees already held. Hope this helps. Esther --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:17 PM Thanks alot John, Am checking this out... Harry From: John Kariuki [mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:07 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details. John Kariuki --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39 Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? Regards, Harry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40ya... -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/esther_wanjau%40yahoo.c...
Esther, Brian & Muriuki, Thanks so much for this invaluable feedback. I'm scouring all the resources mentioned. It's so encouraging that there are already efforts underway to address this to get the member countries interconnected. Hopefully, some sense of urgency can be injected into this to get the project off the ground so that we can harness maximum benefits from the improved interconnectivity within the countries, especially on Fibre. Esther, I will email Shoukry, and will report back.. Regards, Harry _____ From: Esther Wanjau [mailto:esther_wanjau@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:41 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Dear Harry, COMESA already has a concept paper on the RIXP. Please contact the Director of Information and Networking in COMESA Secretariat Sherin Shoukry on shoukry@comesa.int for more information. Also visit www.comesa.int and see the progress made in regard to IT. There you will find the reports of the IT technical committees already held. Hope this helps. Esther --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:17 PM Thanks alot John, Am checking this out... Harry _____ From: John Kariuki [mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:07 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details. John Kariuki --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39 Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? Regards, Harry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://uk.mc275.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk <http://uk.mc275.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk
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Harry, You are very welcome. I think a key point to keep in mind for this issue of regional interconnection is that based on experiences and lessons learnt from other parts of the world - namely, Europe and Southern Asia - it has been proven that regional carriers with cross-IXP connectivity are the most sustainable. This is as opposed to attempts to establish a "neutral" facility in the same way that national IXPs function. In essence - the regulatory, policy and practical aspects are much easier to deal with and by creating a viable business opportunity, competition is encouraged which, in theory leads to better prices and hopefully better quality. Regards, Brian On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Esther, Brian & Muriuki,
Thanks so much for this invaluable feedback. I'm scouring all the resources mentioned. It's so encouraging that there are already efforts underway to address this to get the member countries interconnected. Hopefully, some sense of urgency can be injected into this to get the project off the ground so that we can harness maximum benefits from the improved interconnectivity within the countries, especially on Fibre.
Esther, I will email Shoukry, and will report back..
Regards, Harry
------------------------------ *From:* Esther Wanjau [mailto:esther_wanjau@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:41 AM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP)
Dear Harry,
COMESA already has a concept paper on the RIXP. Please contact the Director of Information and Networking in COMESA Secretariat Sherin Shoukry on shoukry@comesa.int for more information. Also visit www.comesa.int and see the progress made in regard to IT. There you will find the reports of the IT technical committees already held.
Hope this helps.
Esther
--- On *Wed, 6/2/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>* wrote:
From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:17 PM
Thanks alot John, Am checking this out...
Harry
------------------------------ *From:* John Kariuki [mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk] *Sent:* Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:07 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP)
There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details.
John Kariuki
--- On *Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>* wrote:
From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39
Listers,
I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...?
For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS.
This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity..
I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..?
Regards,
Harry
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Thanks alot, let's see how much the discussion can be helpful ( which I believe it is quite),in driving forward the efforts at intergration, sooner, rather than later.. Many thanks.. Harry _____ From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:53 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Harry, You are very welcome. I think a key point to keep in mind for this issue of regional interconnection is that based on experiences and lessons learnt from other parts of the world - namely, Europe and Southern Asia - it has been proven that regional carriers with cross-IXP connectivity are the most sustainable. This is as opposed to attempts to establish a "neutral" facility in the same way that national IXPs function. In essence - the regulatory, policy and practical aspects are much easier to deal with and by creating a viable business opportunity, competition is encouraged which, in theory leads to better prices and hopefully better quality. Regards, Brian On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Esther, Brian & Muriuki, Thanks so much for this invaluable feedback. I'm scouring all the resources mentioned. It's so encouraging that there are already efforts underway to address this to get the member countries interconnected. Hopefully, some sense of urgency can be injected into this to get the project off the ground so that we can harness maximum benefits from the improved interconnectivity within the countries, especially on Fibre. Esther, I will email Shoukry, and will report back.. Regards, Harry _____ From: Esther Wanjau [mailto:esther_wanjau@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:41 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Dear Harry, COMESA already has a concept paper on the RIXP. Please contact the Director of Information and Networking in COMESA Secretariat Sherin Shoukry on shoukry@comesa.int for more information. Also visit www.comesa.int and see the progress made in regard to IT. There you will find the reports of the IT technical committees already held. Hope this helps. Esther --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:17 PM Thanks alot John, Am checking this out... Harry _____ From: John Kariuki [mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:07 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details. John Kariuki --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39 Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? 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As we look for technical solutions , it is important to think about the policy and regulatory framework that will make the technical solution easier to implement . all the regional economic communities in Africa established a formal organ to deal with ICT matters and have formulated elaborate measures to harmonise and integrate network and services because of the importance of ICT in socio economic integration. That is not the case for EAC, instead EACO is club of the regulators/ operators for sharing experiences , it is not part of EAC. The EAC secretariat has limited capacity to drive ICT matters. That's why cross border ICT initiatives are private sector driven which is okay but they are limited . for example Zain's ONE network is not operating in Rwanda and Burundi and Kama Kawaida is not operational in Burundi . other companies have to struggle to establish seamless cross border networks /operations. Perhaps this will be addressed by the commitments that EAC countries have made in the EAC Common Market treaty to open up the market from July 1st, 2010. All countries have committed to open their telecom market without reservations and offer equal treatment to entities from the other partners to invest . Only Rwanda has limited the number of cellular licences to max 3 citing its market size. Cheers MM From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: 03 June 2010 13:43 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Thanks alot, let's see how much the discussion can be helpful ( which I believe it is quite),in driving forward the efforts at intergration, sooner, rather than later.. Many thanks.. Harry _____ From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:53 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Harry, You are very welcome. I think a key point to keep in mind for this issue of regional interconnection is that based on experiences and lessons learnt from other parts of the world - namely, Europe and Southern Asia - it has been proven that regional carriers with cross-IXP connectivity are the most sustainable. This is as opposed to attempts to establish a "neutral" facility in the same way that national IXPs function. In essence - the regulatory, policy and practical aspects are much easier to deal with and by creating a viable business opportunity, competition is encouraged which, in theory leads to better prices and hopefully better quality. Regards, Brian On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Esther, Brian & Muriuki, Thanks so much for this invaluable feedback. I'm scouring all the resources mentioned. It's so encouraging that there are already efforts underway to address this to get the member countries interconnected. Hopefully, some sense of urgency can be injected into this to get the project off the ground so that we can harness maximum benefits from the improved interconnectivity within the countries, especially on Fibre. Esther, I will email Shoukry, and will report back.. Regards, Harry _____ From: Esther Wanjau [mailto:esther_wanjau@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:41 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Dear Harry, COMESA already has a concept paper on the RIXP. Please contact the Director of Information and Networking in COMESA Secretariat Sherin Shoukry on shoukry@comesa.int for more information. Also visit www.comesa.int and see the progress made in regard to IT. There you will find the reports of the IT technical committees already held. Hope this helps. Esther --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:17 PM Thanks alot John, Am checking this out... Harry _____ From: John Kariuki [mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:07 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details. John Kariuki --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39 Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? Regards, Harry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://uk.mc275.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk <http://uk.mc275.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk
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Quite insightful, Muriuki.. We will need all the political goodwill from the member countries; to start with, culminating into the relevant policy frameworks that allow for an integration such as one modelled around our Local KIXP, which has been a huge success. I suppose this means we need to open up our borders, work closely and collaboratively to set up the relevant groundwork. Any time we have had a Model Public Private Partnership (PPP) at work, results have been forthocoming for all to see, such as KIXP. I believe a workable cross border PPP model can also be developed to work towards an intergration objective. Without re-starting the efforts all over again that might be already underway, I suppose the challenge is how to augument these efforts, synergise and put in a sense of urgency to get results. How do we approach this..? Regards, Harry _____ From: muriuki mureithi [mailto:mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:42 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) As we look for technical solutions , it is important to think about the policy and regulatory framework that will make the technical solution easier to implement . all the regional economic communities in Africa established a formal organ to deal with ICT matters and have formulated elaborate measures to harmonise and integrate network and services because of the importance of ICT in socio economic integration. That is not the case for EAC, instead EACO is club of the regulators/ operators for sharing experiences , it is not part of EAC. The EAC secretariat has limited capacity to drive ICT matters. That's why cross border ICT initiatives are private sector driven which is okay but they are limited . for example Zain's ONE network is not operating in Rwanda and Burundi and Kama Kawaida is not operational in Burundi . other companies have to struggle to establish seamless cross border networks /operations. Perhaps this will be addressed by the commitments that EAC countries have made in the EAC Common Market treaty to open up the market from July 1st, 2010. All countries have committed to open their telecom market without reservations and offer equal treatment to entities from the other partners to invest . Only Rwanda has limited the number of cellular licences to max 3 citing its market size. Cheers MM From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: 03 June 2010 13:43 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Thanks alot, let's see how much the discussion can be helpful ( which I believe it is quite),in driving forward the efforts at intergration, sooner, rather than later.. Many thanks.. Harry _____ From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:53 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Harry, You are very welcome. I think a key point to keep in mind for this issue of regional interconnection is that based on experiences and lessons learnt from other parts of the world - namely, Europe and Southern Asia - it has been proven that regional carriers with cross-IXP connectivity are the most sustainable. This is as opposed to attempts to establish a "neutral" facility in the same way that national IXPs function. In essence - the regulatory, policy and practical aspects are much easier to deal with and by creating a viable business opportunity, competition is encouraged which, in theory leads to better prices and hopefully better quality. Regards, Brian On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Esther, Brian & Muriuki, Thanks so much for this invaluable feedback. I'm scouring all the resources mentioned. It's so encouraging that there are already efforts underway to address this to get the member countries interconnected. Hopefully, some sense of urgency can be injected into this to get the project off the ground so that we can harness maximum benefits from the improved interconnectivity within the countries, especially on Fibre. Esther, I will email Shoukry, and will report back.. Regards, Harry _____ From: Esther Wanjau [mailto:esther_wanjau@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:41 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Dear Harry, COMESA already has a concept paper on the RIXP. Please contact the Director of Information and Networking in COMESA Secretariat Sherin Shoukry on shoukry@comesa.int for more information. Also visit www.comesa.int and see the progress made in regard to IT. There you will find the reports of the IT technical committees already held. Hope this helps. Esther --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:17 PM Thanks alot John, Am checking this out... Harry _____ From: John Kariuki [mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:07 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details. John Kariuki --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39 Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? 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Hallo Harry Incidentally KIXP is not a PPP model. We are still trying to convince CCK why it should be. However, we have been in support of the EAC approach and currently we have traffic from Uganda terminating at KIXP with the respective operators and carriers are announcing that traffic. We are also going to be discussing this when TESPOK in conjunction with the Internet Society shall be hosting the 1st Africa Interconnection Forum under the theme Unlocking Africa's Regional Interconnection from the 11th to 12th August 2010. The agenda: 1. The peering vs. Transit economics 2. Peering and Interconnection strategies for Operators 3. Interconnection the Cross-Border Policy and Regulatory Challenges 4. A guide to Peering and Interconnection contracts and negotiations 5. Africa peering and interconnection opportunities: The transition from national ISPs to regional Carriers 6. Interconnection and the Content Equation Who should attend? The forum is targeted at the Executives, Chief Technology Officers, Peering Coordinators and Business development Managers from African region Internet providers and operators, telecommunications regulators, content providers, Internet Exchange Point (IXP) Operators, infrastructure providers, Data Center Managers, National Research and Education Networks, Carriers and Transit providers. The forum is planned as a non-profit event and international sponsorship and support are sought to convene the event. We look forward to your participation. To confirm attendance kindly send an email to admin@kixp.or.ke Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 "Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government" From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:15 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Quite insightful, Muriuki.. We will need all the political goodwill from the member countries; to start with, culminating into the relevant policy frameworks that allow for an integration such as one modelled around our Local KIXP, which has been a huge success. I suppose this means we need to open up our borders, work closely and collaboratively to set up the relevant groundwork. Any time we have had a Model Public Private Partnership (PPP) at work, results have been forthocoming for all to see, such as KIXP. I believe a workable cross border PPP model can also be developed to work towards an intergration objective. Without re-starting the efforts all over again that might be already underway, I suppose the challenge is how to augument these efforts, synergise and put in a sense of urgency to get results. How do we approach this..? Regards, Harry _____ From: muriuki mureithi [mailto:mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:42 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) As we look for technical solutions , it is important to think about the policy and regulatory framework that will make the technical solution easier to implement . all the regional economic communities in Africa established a formal organ to deal with ICT matters and have formulated elaborate measures to harmonise and integrate network and services because of the importance of ICT in socio economic integration. That is not the case for EAC, instead EACO is club of the regulators/ operators for sharing experiences , it is not part of EAC. The EAC secretariat has limited capacity to drive ICT matters. That's why cross border ICT initiatives are private sector driven which is okay but they are limited . for example Zain's ONE network is not operating in Rwanda and Burundi and Kama Kawaida is not operational in Burundi . other companies have to struggle to establish seamless cross border networks /operations. Perhaps this will be addressed by the commitments that EAC countries have made in the EAC Common Market treaty to open up the market from July 1st, 2010. All countries have committed to open their telecom market without reservations and offer equal treatment to entities from the other partners to invest . Only Rwanda has limited the number of cellular licences to max 3 citing its market size. Cheers MM From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: 03 June 2010 13:43 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Thanks alot, let's see how much the discussion can be helpful ( which I believe it is quite),in driving forward the efforts at intergration, sooner, rather than later.. Many thanks.. Harry _____ From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:53 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Harry, You are very welcome. I think a key point to keep in mind for this issue of regional interconnection is that based on experiences and lessons learnt from other parts of the world - namely, Europe and Southern Asia - it has been proven that regional carriers with cross-IXP connectivity are the most sustainable. This is as opposed to attempts to establish a "neutral" facility in the same way that national IXPs function. In essence - the regulatory, policy and practical aspects are much easier to deal with and by creating a viable business opportunity, competition is encouraged which, in theory leads to better prices and hopefully better quality. Regards, Brian On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Esther, Brian & Muriuki, Thanks so much for this invaluable feedback. I'm scouring all the resources mentioned. It's so encouraging that there are already efforts underway to address this to get the member countries interconnected. Hopefully, some sense of urgency can be injected into this to get the project off the ground so that we can harness maximum benefits from the improved interconnectivity within the countries, especially on Fibre. Esther, I will email Shoukry, and will report back.. Regards, Harry _____ From: Esther Wanjau [mailto:esther_wanjau@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:41 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Dear Harry, COMESA already has a concept paper on the RIXP. Please contact the Director of Information and Networking in COMESA Secretariat Sherin Shoukry on shoukry@comesa.int for more information. Also visit www.comesa.int and see the progress made in regard to IT. There you will find the reports of the IT technical committees already held. Hope this helps. Esther --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:17 PM Thanks alot John, Am checking this out... Harry _____ From: John Kariuki [mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:07 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details. John Kariuki --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39 Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? 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Dear Asonga, I suppose this was quite timely, and am glad for the "Africa Interconnection Forum" conference in August. All going well, I do look forward to attending, and being part of this important discussion to drive forward regional and continental interconnectivity. I will send the email.. Thanks alot, and let's keep up the good work.. Harry _____ From: Fiona Asonga [mailto:tespok@tespok.co.ke] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:18 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Importance: High Hallo Harry Incidentally KIXP is not a PPP model. We are still trying to convince CCK why it should be. However, we have been in support of the EAC approach and currently we have traffic from Uganda terminating at KIXP with the respective operators and carriers are announcing that traffic. We are also going to be discussing this when TESPOK in conjunction with the Internet Society shall be hosting the 1st Africa Interconnection Forum under the theme Unlocking Africa's Regional Interconnection from the 11th to 12th August 2010. The agenda: 1. The peering vs. Transit economics 2. Peering and Interconnection strategies for Operators 3. Interconnection the Cross-Border Policy and Regulatory Challenges 4. A guide to Peering and Interconnection contracts and negotiations 5. Africa peering and interconnection opportunities: The transition from national ISPs to regional Carriers 6. Interconnection and the Content Equation Who should attend? The forum is targeted at the Executives, Chief Technology Officers, Peering Coordinators and Business development Managers from African region Internet providers and operators, telecommunications regulators, content providers, Internet Exchange Point (IXP) Operators, infrastructure providers, Data Center Managers, National Research and Education Networks, Carriers and Transit providers. The forum is planned as a non-profit event and international sponsorship and support are sought to convene the event. We look forward to your participation. To confirm attendance kindly send an email to admin@kixp.or.ke Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 "Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government" From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:15 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Quite insightful, Muriuki.. We will need all the political goodwill from the member countries; to start with, culminating into the relevant policy frameworks that allow for an integration such as one modelled around our Local KIXP, which has been a huge success. I suppose this means we need to open up our borders, work closely and collaboratively to set up the relevant groundwork. Any time we have had a Model Public Private Partnership (PPP) at work, results have been forthocoming for all to see, such as KIXP. I believe a workable cross border PPP model can also be developed to work towards an intergration objective. Without re-starting the efforts all over again that might be already underway, I suppose the challenge is how to augument these efforts, synergise and put in a sense of urgency to get results. How do we approach this..? Regards, Harry _____ From: muriuki mureithi [mailto:mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:42 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) As we look for technical solutions , it is important to think about the policy and regulatory framework that will make the technical solution easier to implement . all the regional economic communities in Africa established a formal organ to deal with ICT matters and have formulated elaborate measures to harmonise and integrate network and services because of the importance of ICT in socio economic integration. That is not the case for EAC, instead EACO is club of the regulators/ operators for sharing experiences , it is not part of EAC. The EAC secretariat has limited capacity to drive ICT matters. That's why cross border ICT initiatives are private sector driven which is okay but they are limited . for example Zain's ONE network is not operating in Rwanda and Burundi and Kama Kawaida is not operational in Burundi . other companies have to struggle to establish seamless cross border networks /operations. Perhaps this will be addressed by the commitments that EAC countries have made in the EAC Common Market treaty to open up the market from July 1st, 2010. All countries have committed to open their telecom market without reservations and offer equal treatment to entities from the other partners to invest . Only Rwanda has limited the number of cellular licences to max 3 citing its market size. Cheers MM From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: 03 June 2010 13:43 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Thanks alot, let's see how much the discussion can be helpful ( which I believe it is quite),in driving forward the efforts at intergration, sooner, rather than later.. Many thanks.. Harry _____ From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:53 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Harry, You are very welcome. I think a key point to keep in mind for this issue of regional interconnection is that based on experiences and lessons learnt from other parts of the world - namely, Europe and Southern Asia - it has been proven that regional carriers with cross-IXP connectivity are the most sustainable. This is as opposed to attempts to establish a "neutral" facility in the same way that national IXPs function. In essence - the regulatory, policy and practical aspects are much easier to deal with and by creating a viable business opportunity, competition is encouraged which, in theory leads to better prices and hopefully better quality. Regards, Brian On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Esther, Brian & Muriuki, Thanks so much for this invaluable feedback. I'm scouring all the resources mentioned. It's so encouraging that there are already efforts underway to address this to get the member countries interconnected. Hopefully, some sense of urgency can be injected into this to get the project off the ground so that we can harness maximum benefits from the improved interconnectivity within the countries, especially on Fibre. Esther, I will email Shoukry, and will report back.. Regards, Harry _____ From: Esther Wanjau [mailto:esther_wanjau@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:41 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Dear Harry, COMESA already has a concept paper on the RIXP. Please contact the Director of Information and Networking in COMESA Secretariat Sherin Shoukry on shoukry@comesa.int for more information. Also visit www.comesa.int and see the progress made in regard to IT. There you will find the reports of the IT technical committees already held. Hope this helps. Esther --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:17 PM Thanks alot John, Am checking this out... Harry _____ From: John Kariuki [mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:07 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details. John Kariuki --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39 Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? 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Harry, Your welcome. Information is power and should be shared. Hope to hear from you soon. Esther --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: "'Esther Wanjau'" <esther_wanjau@yahoo.com> Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 2:26 AM Esther, Brian & Muriuki, Thanks so much for this invaluable feedback. I'm scouring all the resources mentioned. It's so encouraging that there are already efforts underway to address this to get the member countries interconnected. Hopefully, some sense of urgency can be injected into this to get the project off the ground so that we can harness maximum benefits from the improved interconnectivity within the countries, especially on Fibre. Esther, I will email Shoukry, and will report back.. Regards, Harry From: Esther Wanjau [mailto:esther_wanjau@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:41 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Dear Harry, COMESA already has a concept paper on the RIXP. Please contact the Director of Information and Networking in COMESA Secretariat Sherin Shoukry on shoukry@comesa.int for more information. Also visit www.comesa.int and see the progress made in regard to IT. There you will find the reports of the IT technical committees already held. Hope this helps. Esther --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:17 PM Thanks alot John, Am checking this out... Harry From: John Kariuki [mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:07 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) There is a project called "EAC-BIN" under "Connect Africa Initiative". I would suggest you search the two in the web for more details. John Kariuki --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 20:39 Listers, I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...? For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS. This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity.. I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..? Regards, Harry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40ya... -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: esther_wanjau@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/esther_wanjau%40yahoo.c...
Hi Harry, On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Listers,
I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...?
Economics is the answer
For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS.
yes, well the Interent is a "best-effort" beast. If you want those VOIP packets to go str8 to ke from tz and back, then yoou have to pay for that. So far (and I proposed a Pan-African virtual IXP long before the EARPTO effort) no one is really willing to haul those bits for you without charging you for that haulage.
This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity..
Well, that is the paradigm, but I'm not sure that it applies to the same extent it used to...when folk have so much bandwidth, they are giving it away for free (a la KDN hotspots), then they aren't utilising their bandwidth fully. In other words, the "huge transiting costs" are fixed, and seemingly cheaper than paying for a direct link.
I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..?
TESPOK/ISOC in August. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Thanks Mctim. Well articulated. Hopefully, we keep the dollars local by sending the "VOIP" and other packets directly, other than on a mundane roundtrip to Europe/US then back. See you, all going well in August.. Regards, Harry -----Original Message----- From: McTim [mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:03 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Hi Harry, On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Listers,
I have noticed, that while all laudable efforts in speeding up our broadband connectivity to the rest of the world hits top gear, saddeningly regional local interconnectivity lags behind. Why is this so...?
Economics is the answer
For instance reaching a branch office located in Tanzania from their Kenya HQ office,or vice versa means traffic transits out from our cyberspace to some international exchange point somwhere in London, hits the return trip back via some other Link to Dar. This especially affects VOIP connectivity and quality, between interconnected offices, and other services that rely on good QOS.
yes, well the Interent is a "best-effort" beast. If you want those VOIP packets to go str8 to ke from tz and back, then yoou have to pay for that. So far (and I proposed a Pan-African virtual IXP long before the EARPTO effort) no one is really willing to haul those bits for you without charging you for that haulage.
This, especially while we are working on the economic, Social, and perhaps Political intergration of the Comesa block seems to fly in the face of the major milestones that have been achieved in the Telecommunication sectors of the member countries, and I strongly suggest the industry addresses this urgently. We need a Regional Internet Exchange point set up. Perhaps name it COMESA-IXP or something. But one thing is clear; the more we each send traffic destined locally on a roundtrip to Europe or elsewhere and back, means we incur huge transiting costs in the process, which dollars that we export out should be be used to expand and develop our local & Regional interconnection capacity..
Well, that is the paradigm, but I'm not sure that it applies to the same extent it used to...when folk have so much bandwidth, they are giving it away for free (a la KDN hotspots), then they aren't utilising their bandwidth fully. In other words, the "huge transiting costs" are fixed, and seemingly cheaper than paying for a direct link.
I think, this is an issue worth being addressed and I'd be interested to discuss this more with anyone interested to drive this forward. Anyone..?
TESPOK/ISOC in August. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Harry, not sure you got me well... On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Mctim. Well articulated.
Hopefully, we keep the dollars local by sending the "VOIP" and other packets directly, other than on a mundane roundtrip to Europe/US then back.
If we want to keep dollars local, then we need to encourage local hosting. That's where the money outflow can most easily be corrected. In terms of routing, packets from the EU often flow to the USA and then back to the EU. This is the way that routing economics has always worked, it's not the shortest path that is important, usually cheaper is chosen over shorter. Topology is not geography. In this case, my packets have one hop tween KiXP and UG: Tracing route to 41.220.1.125 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 57 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.1.1 2 45 ms 49 ms 54 ms 41.206.46.10.accesskenya.com [41.206.46.10] 3 42 ms 49 ms 49 ms fe-01-kixp.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.78] 4 56 ms 49 ms 44 ms fe-01-kixp.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.78] 5 46 ms 49 ms 49 ms 198.32.143.81 6 * * * Request timed out. 7 232 ms 244 ms 237 ms 41.220.228.34 8 290 ms 249 ms 244 ms static-41-222-1-6.metronet.imul.com [41.222.1.6] 9 249 ms 254 ms 249 ms 41.221.81.118 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 * * * Request timed out.
See you, all going well in August..
I am planning to attend. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
McTim, Thanks, I definitely understand your point.. What we are saying, and I suppose what everyone should be concerned about is,if we got 10 - 30GB of data per week on average,why transport to Europe and back paying transit costs in the process,when we should otherwise work to develop our Regional interconnectivity. It's like saying some years earlier on, that we do not need a locl exchange point like KIXP, because it's cheaper to send traffic out and back. Keep local traffic, "Local". Simple. We cannot keep talking about regional intergration when such a small matter as inter-regional connectivity cannot be sorted out. While, we still have a lot of content hosted, and accessed out there it should never be lost on us that we similarly have a lot of inter-Regional traffic, that should just be kept that way - Regional.. Thanks. Harry -----Original Message----- From: McTim [mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 2:08 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Harry, not sure you got me well... On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Mctim. Well articulated.
Hopefully, we keep the dollars local by sending the "VOIP" and other packets directly, other than on a mundane roundtrip to Europe/US then
back. If we want to keep dollars local, then we need to encourage local hosting. That's where the money outflow can most easily be corrected. In terms of routing, packets from the EU often flow to the USA and then back to the EU. This is the way that routing economics has always worked, it's not the shortest path that is important, usually cheaper is chosen over shorter. Topology is not geography. In this case, my packets have one hop tween KiXP and UG: Tracing route to 41.220.1.125 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 57 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.1.1 2 45 ms 49 ms 54 ms 41.206.46.10.accesskenya.com [41.206.46.10] 3 42 ms 49 ms 49 ms fe-01-kixp.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.78] 4 56 ms 49 ms 44 ms fe-01-kixp.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.78] 5 46 ms 49 ms 49 ms 198.32.143.81 6 * * * Request timed out. 7 232 ms 244 ms 237 ms 41.220.228.34 8 290 ms 249 ms 244 ms static-41-222-1-6.metronet.imul.com [41.222.1.6] 9 249 ms 254 ms 249 ms 41.221.81.118 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 * * * Request timed out.
See you, all going well in August..
I am planning to attend. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Hi Harry, On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
McTim,
Thanks, I definitely understand your point..
I'm not sure you do.
What we are saying, and I suppose what everyone should be concerned about is,if we got 10 - 30GB
Is this you as an enduser doing this much? or your corporate environment? I do about 1 GB per week. of
data per week on average,why transport to Europe and back paying transit costs in the process,
My point was those transit costs are paid already, in fact, in this era, we ("we" being the folks who have bought the fat pipes) pay for more bandwidth than we can use at the moment. I am suggesting that in the absence of hard data about regional traffic flows (and I've been looking for this data for several years), we are just speculating that regional interconnectivity is urgent (or even needed). when
we should otherwise work to develop our Regional interconnectivity. It's like saying some years earlier on, that we do not need a locl exchange point like KIXP,
It just seems like its the same argument, its not. because
it's cheaper to send traffic out and back.
but it wasn't cheaper at that point. Keep local traffic, "Local". Simple. We cannot keep talking
about regional intergration
sure we can.
when such a small matter as inter-regional connectivity cannot be sorted out.
It's not a small matter, believe me, I've tried to implement it.
While, we still have a lot of content hosted, and accessed out there it should never be lost on us that we similarly have a lot of inter-Regional traffic,
I would greatly appreciate any hard data you have on this traffic. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Hi McTim, Attached please find a graph reporting on "local" data transfer between 7 ISPs in Tanzania and 5 ISPs in Kenya via SimbaNet's "EAIXP". This was back in February last year - when I visited the control centre in Dar es Salaam. As you will see, the graph only reports 1 week traffic - but the aggregate (IN + OUT) is about 10Gb of traffic. A key point to note is that this was via a slow satellite link running at approx 256k I can only imagine what we would see if the interlink was OFC! There is definitely a critical need for this issue to be looked at closely and in great detail. Regards, Brian On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:31 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Harry,
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
McTim,
Thanks, I definitely understand your point..
I'm not sure you do.
What we are saying, and I suppose what everyone should be concerned about is,if we got 10 - 30GB
Is this you as an enduser doing this much? or your corporate environment? I do about 1 GB per week.
of
data per week on average,why transport to Europe and back paying transit costs in the process,
My point was those transit costs are paid already, in fact, in this era, we ("we" being the folks who have bought the fat pipes) pay for more bandwidth than we can use at the moment. I am suggesting that in the absence of hard data about regional traffic flows (and I've been looking for this data for several years), we are just speculating that regional interconnectivity is urgent (or even needed).
when
we should otherwise work to develop our Regional interconnectivity. It's like saying some years earlier on, that we do not need a locl exchange point like KIXP,
It just seems like its the same argument, its not.
because
it's cheaper to send traffic out and back.
but it wasn't cheaper at that point.
Keep local traffic, "Local". Simple. We cannot keep talking
about regional intergration
sure we can.
when such a small matter as inter-regional connectivity cannot be sorted out.
It's not a small matter, believe me, I've tried to implement it.
While, we still have a lot of content hosted, and accessed out there it should never be lost on us that we similarly have a lot of inter-Regional traffic,
I would greatly appreciate any hard data you have on this traffic.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Thanks Brian, for the clarification and the graph.. I suppose, since we now have some OFC, interconnectivity already to some degree, we would be able to transmit much more, when we aggregate.. Regards, Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:48 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet ExchangePoint (RIXP) Hi McTim, Attached please find a graph reporting on "local" data transfer between 7 ISPs in Tanzania and 5 ISPs in Kenya via SimbaNet's "EAIXP". This was back in February last year - when I visited the control centre in Dar es Salaam. As you will see, the graph only reports 1 week traffic - but the aggregate (IN + OUT) is about 10Gb of traffic. A key point to note is that this was via a slow satellite link running at approx 256k I can only imagine what we would see if the interlink was OFC! There is definitely a critical need for this issue to be looked at closely and in great detail. Regards, Brian On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:31 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Harry, On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
McTim,
Thanks, I definitely understand your point..
I'm not sure you do.
What we are saying, and I suppose what everyone should be concerned about is,if we got 10 - 30GB
Is this you as an enduser doing this much? or your corporate environment? I do about 1 GB per week. of
data per week on average,why transport to Europe and back paying transit costs in the process,
My point was those transit costs are paid already, in fact, in this era, we ("we" being the folks who have bought the fat pipes) pay for more bandwidth than we can use at the moment. I am suggesting that in the absence of hard data about regional traffic flows (and I've been looking for this data for several years), we are just speculating that regional interconnectivity is urgent (or even needed). when
we should otherwise work to develop our Regional interconnectivity. It's like saying some years earlier on, that we do not need a locl exchange point like KIXP,
It just seems like its the same argument, its not. because
it's cheaper to send traffic out and back.
but it wasn't cheaper at that point. Keep local traffic, "Local". Simple. We cannot keep talking
about regional intergration
sure we can.
when such a small matter as inter-regional connectivity cannot be sorted out.
It's not a small matter, believe me, I've tried to implement it.
While, we still have a lot of content hosted, and accessed out there it should never be lost on us that we similarly have a lot of inter-Regional traffic,
I would greatly appreciate any hard data you have on this traffic. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: blongwe@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Brian, for the clarification and the graph..
yes, it's good to know, am not shocked that it seems to avg out at 56kbps symmetrical. For a dozen ISPs, that is truly small. Take a look at the 8 peers at UIXP for comparison: http://stats.uixp.co.ug/peerorder.htm They are doing over 2.5 Mbps on that peering fabric.
I suppose, since we now have some OFC, interconnectivity already to some degree,
This is the key thing, not only do we have cross border fiber, but we have the rise of a regional carrier. This was one of the goals of a regional IXP project. Would be nice to have more than one at some point, but one has to start somewhere. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Thanks McTim, Let's see how this works out, as stakeholders stake out stakes in the upcoming forum. Regards, Harry -----Original Message----- From: McTim [mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:57 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet ExchangePoint (RIXP) On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Brian, for the clarification and the graph..
yes, it's good to know, am not shocked that it seems to avg out at 56kbps symmetrical. For a dozen ISPs, that is truly small. Take a look at the 8 peers at UIXP for comparison: http://stats.uixp.co.ug/peerorder.htm They are doing over 2.5 Mbps on that peering fabric.
I suppose, since we now have some OFC, interconnectivity already to some degree,
This is the key thing, not only do we have cross border fiber, but we have the rise of a regional carrier. This was one of the goals of a regional IXP project. Would be nice to have more than one at some point, but one has to start somewhere. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Hey McTim, We got stats earlier on to this effect, gathered when efforts of a similar nature were being undertaken Apologies, we cannot rely on that, since clearly that was quite some time back. I suppose now we could be talking of something close to 500GB,of data maybe not even in a week's time, perhaps daily - my estimate. I agree, it would be good to get some hard stats/feasibilities, as we consider this. However, I also do think we have grown of age and we need to wire up and network Regionally as this would be the best direction we can take as an emerging economic bloc. Thanks, Harry -----Original Message----- From: McTim [mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:31 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The urgent case for a Regional Internet Exchange Point (RIXP) Hi Harry, On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
McTim,
Thanks, I definitely understand your point..
I'm not sure you do.
What we are saying, and I suppose what everyone should be concerned about is,if we got 10 - 30GB
Is this you as an enduser doing this much? or your corporate environment? I do about 1 GB per week. of
data per week on average,why transport to Europe and back paying transit costs in the process,
My point was those transit costs are paid already, in fact, in this era, we ("we" being the folks who have bought the fat pipes) pay for more bandwidth than we can use at the moment. I am suggesting that in the absence of hard data about regional traffic flows (and I've been looking for this data for several years), we are just speculating that regional interconnectivity is urgent (or even needed). when
we should otherwise work to develop our Regional interconnectivity. It's like saying some years earlier on, that we do not need a locl exchange point like KIXP,
It just seems like its the same argument, its not. because
it's cheaper to send traffic out and back.
but it wasn't cheaper at that point. Keep local traffic, "Local". Simple. We cannot keep talking
about regional intergration
sure we can.
when such a small matter as inter-regional connectivity cannot be sorted out.
It's not a small matter, believe me, I've tried to implement it.
While, we still have a lot of content hosted, and accessed out there it should never be lost on us that we similarly have a lot of inter-Regional traffic,
I would greatly appreciate any hard data you have on this traffic. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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