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Home About Contact ICANN meeting and security concerns 20 01 2010 By rebecca wanjiku Comments: 0 Available in: English In March 2008, Nairobi was supposed to host Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) meeting. This is a huge meeting, ICANN uses about $ 2 million for these meetings, am sure you know what it means for the economy. But the events that followed the 2007 elections meant that the meeting was cancelled, it was such a shame but that was understandable; after all, you do not want the people who control internet resources to fall into the traps of rival tribal gangs or to be caught in the cross fire. After another round of presentations last year, the Kenya delegation led by Kenic and the Communications Commission of Kenya was able to convince the ICANN community that Kenya is safe enough, and they agreed to host the meeting this March. We have been busy sweeping the roads and upgrading the hotels just to make sure that the most important ICANN community is happy, but they have never been, and I do not think they will ever be, if you ask me. I have been talking to sources within the organizing committee and ICANN has always had one niggling problem after another. Last Friday's fracas with the muslims seems to have tipped the balance; ICANN now is contemplating moving the meeting to another safer city. But if you ask me or any other ordinary Kenyan, I think ICANN does not understand the country and how it operates. Since 1998, Kenya has never been secure, according to US and UK embassies, yet its their installations that make us targets. For whatever reasons, the country has always been rated poorly security wise, but which city is safe? New York? J' Burg? Cairo? Cassablanca? Am sure this is open to debate. I think ICANN has its double standards; if they were truly concerned about the security, the meeting in Seoul would not have taken place; South Korea is always under alert because of North Korea nuclear intentions. The meeting in Mexico city would not have gone on, after all every one there is said to carry a gun and the senior executives within ICANN membership were at risk of kidnappings. But the meetings took place. So, why all the security farce about Nairobi? I would love to point out a similar incident during the 2005 or around there Cricket world cup, where New Zealand forfeited their match with Kenya in Nairobi because of security situation. Sri Lanka agreed to play their match in Nairobi provided they were given top notch security, the government obliged. By the time the plane carrying the Sri Lanka cricket team entered the Kenyan air space, they were escorted by helicopter gunships and all the other stuff you see in the movies. But Sri Lanka soon realized that no one was bothered with them; we whipped them and by the time they were going back to the airport, they took taxis and realized that no one cares. In short, ICANN should know that they will come, they will hold their meeting, they will go away, and no one will probably remember they were here. How many people know about ICANN and what it does? How many people know that the people present are online millionaires? ICANN has made demands that the meeting be moved to the UNEP Complex in Gigiri, and that the government should pay for all the charges bla bla... I think this is a move to alienate themselves from the ordinary kenyans. Getting to Gigiri is hectic let alone getting through the mean UN security staff. Trust me, I have had my share of security incidences in Nairobi, but I do not think its worth canceling a meeting. From my sources, I am told the government is paying for the gala dinner and all that, in other countries, ICANN has paid for that. So I think this is just a way for ICANN to make their demands and demonstrate their authority. I am not saying that security measures should be ignored, but just know that poor security rating means more hardship allowance for the UN and embassy staff, so its in their interest to show Kenya on fire all the time. One thing you should know that Kenya is a highly political company, all year round, stupid politics and we the media love it and exalt it, so deal with that. When you come and when you go, we will remain the same, and it does not mean ICANN will change anything, so get over it. By the way, most people who will come will be holed up in lavish 5-star hotels where the thugs will not reach. The insecurity problem is for people like us who will have to walk home and deal with the neighborhood thugs. The upshot of it is that ICANN should come, hold their meeting, give us the revenue, visit Maasai Mara and all the other areas, and go home. I am sure there will be enough cops guarding everywhere. So, insecure or not, I think the meeting should go on. If you guys are not convinced, then you can move the meeting to wherever you want! Ends by rebecca Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
Alice, If indeed this is true, it'd be, really, really sad... Hope, the meeting is not cancelled.. Regards, Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of alice@apc.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 2:59 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns Home About Contact ICANN meeting and security concerns 20 01 2010 By rebecca wanjiku Comments: 0 Available in: English In March 2008, Nairobi was supposed to host Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) meeting. This is a huge meeting, ICANN uses about $ 2 million for these meetings, am sure you know what it means for the economy. But the events that followed the 2007 elections meant that the meeting was cancelled, it was such a shame but that was understandable; after all, you do not want the people who control internet resources to fall into the traps of rival tribal gangs or to be caught in the cross fire. After another round of presentations last year, the Kenya delegation led by Kenic and the Communications Commission of Kenya was able to convince the ICANN community that Kenya is safe enough, and they agreed to host the meeting this March. We have been busy sweeping the roads and upgrading the hotels just to make sure that the most important ICANN community is happy, but they have never been, and I do not think they will ever be, if you ask me. I have been talking to sources within the organizing committee and ICANN has always had one niggling problem after another. Last Friday's fracas with the muslims seems to have tipped the balance; ICANN now is contemplating moving the meeting to another safer city. But if you ask me or any other ordinary Kenyan, I think ICANN does not understand the country and how it operates. Since 1998, Kenya has never been secure, according to US and UK embassies, yet its their installations that make us targets. For whatever reasons, the country has always been rated poorly security wise, but which city is safe? New York? J' Burg? Cairo? Cassablanca? Am sure this is open to debate. I think ICANN has its double standards; if they were truly concerned about the security, the meeting in Seoul would not have taken place; South Korea is always under alert because of North Korea nuclear intentions. The meeting in Mexico city would not have gone on, after all every one there is said to carry a gun and the senior executives within ICANN membership were at risk of kidnappings. But the meetings took place. So, why all the security farce about Nairobi? I would love to point out a similar incident during the 2005 or around there Cricket world cup, where New Zealand forfeited their match with Kenya in Nairobi because of security situation. Sri Lanka agreed to play their match in Nairobi provided they were given top notch security, the government obliged. By the time the plane carrying the Sri Lanka cricket team entered the Kenyan air space, they were escorted by helicopter gunships and all the other stuff you see in the movies. But Sri Lanka soon realized that no one was bothered with them; we whipped them and by the time they were going back to the airport, they took taxis and realized that no one cares. In short, ICANN should know that they will come, they will hold their meeting, they will go away, and no one will probably remember they were here. How many people know about ICANN and what it does? How many people know that the people present are online millionaires? ICANN has made demands that the meeting be moved to the UNEP Complex in Gigiri, and that the government should pay for all the charges bla bla... I think this is a move to alienate themselves from the ordinary kenyans. Getting to Gigiri is hectic let alone getting through the mean UN security staff. Trust me, I have had my share of security incidences in Nairobi, but I do not think its worth canceling a meeting.
From my sources, I am told the government is paying for the gala dinner and all that, in other countries, ICANN has paid for that. So I think this is just a way for ICANN to make their demands and demonstrate their authority.
I am not saying that security measures should be ignored, but just know that poor security rating means more hardship allowance for the UN and embassy staff, so its in their interest to show Kenya on fire all the time. One thing you should know that Kenya is a highly political company, all year round, stupid politics and we the media love it and exalt it, so deal with that. When you come and when you go, we will remain the same, and it does not mean ICANN will change anything, so get over it. By the way, most people who will come will be holed up in lavish 5-star hotels where the thugs will not reach. The insecurity problem is for people like us who will have to walk home and deal with the neighborhood thugs. The upshot of it is that ICANN should come, hold their meeting, give us the revenue, visit Maasai Mara and all the other areas, and go home. I am sure there will be enough cops guarding everywhere. So, insecure or not, I think the meeting should go on. If you guys are not convinced, then you can move the meeting to wherever you want! Ends by rebecca Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone from Zain Kenya _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke
Could not have been articulated better than this. Double standards, double standard and more double standards...its difficult for Africa let alone Kenya to host any global event. After the incident in Angola, now the SA Government is pumping in loads of rand just to re-assure the western world that "Angola" is not in "South Africa" ha! Good stuff Becky Harry (not Dalago :-)) On 1/20/10 2:58 PM, "alice@apc.org" <alice@apc.org> wrote:
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In March 2008, Nairobi was supposed to host Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) meeting. This is a huge meeting, ICANN uses about $ 2 million for these meetings, am sure you know what it means for the economy.
But the events that followed the 2007 elections meant that the meeting was cancelled, it was such a shame but that was understandable; after all, you do not want the people who control internet resources to fall into the traps of rival tribal gangs or to be caught in the cross fire.
After another round of presentations last year, the Kenya delegation led by Kenic and the Communications Commission of Kenya was able to convince the ICANN community that Kenya is safe enough, and they agreed to host the meeting this March.
We have been busy sweeping the roads and upgrading the hotels just to make sure that the most important ICANN community is happy, but they have never been, and I do not think they will ever be, if you ask me. I have been talking to sources within the organizing committee and ICANN has always had one niggling problem after another.
Last Friday's fracas with the muslims seems to have tipped the balance; ICANN now is contemplating moving the meeting to another safer city.
But if you ask me or any other ordinary Kenyan, I think ICANN does not understand the country and how it operates. Since 1998, Kenya has never been secure, according to US and UK embassies, yet its their installations that make us targets.
For whatever reasons, the country has always been rated poorly security wise, but which city is safe? New York? J' Burg? Cairo? Cassablanca? Am sure this is open to debate.
I think ICANN has its double standards; if they were truly concerned about the security, the meeting in Seoul would not have taken place; South Korea is always under alert because of North Korea nuclear intentions.
The meeting in Mexico city would not have gone on, after all every one there is said to carry a gun and the senior executives within ICANN membership were at risk of kidnappings. But the meetings took place.
So, why all the security farce about Nairobi?
I would love to point out a similar incident during the 2005 or around there Cricket world cup, where New Zealand forfeited their match with Kenya in Nairobi because of security situation. Sri Lanka agreed to play their match in Nairobi provided they were given top notch security, the government obliged.
By the time the plane carrying the Sri Lanka cricket team entered the Kenyan air space, they were escorted by helicopter gunships and all the other stuff you see in the movies. But Sri Lanka soon realized that no one was bothered with them; we whipped them and by the time they were going back to the airport, they took taxis and realized that no one cares.
In short, ICANN should know that they will come, they will hold their meeting, they will go away, and no one will probably remember they were here. How many people know about ICANN and what it does? How many people know that the people present are online millionaires?
ICANN has made demands that the meeting be moved to the UNEP Complex in Gigiri, and that the government should pay for all the charges bla bla... I think this is a move to alienate themselves from the ordinary kenyans. Getting to Gigiri is hectic let alone getting through the mean UN security staff.
Trust me, I have had my share of security incidences in Nairobi, but I do not think its worth canceling a meeting.
From my sources, I am told the government is paying for the gala dinner and all that, in other countries, ICANN has paid for that. So I think this is just a way for ICANN to make their demands and demonstrate their authority.
I am not saying that security measures should be ignored, but just know that poor security rating means more hardship allowance for the UN and embassy staff, so its in their interest to show Kenya on fire all the time.
One thing you should know that Kenya is a highly political company, all year round, stupid politics and we the media love it and exalt it, so deal with that. When you come and when you go, we will remain the same, and it does not mean ICANN will change anything, so get over it.
By the way, most people who will come will be holed up in lavish 5-star hotels where the thugs will not reach. The insecurity problem is for people like us who will have to walk home and deal with the neighborhood thugs.
The upshot of it is that ICANN should come, hold their meeting, give us the revenue, visit Maasai Mara and all the other areas, and go home. I am sure there will be enough cops guarding everywhere.
So, insecure or not, I think the meeting should go on. If you guys are not convinced, then you can move the meeting to wherever you want!
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This would be unreasonable. There are many high profile meetings going on in Nairobi despite our insecurity problems. In addition, conference tourists who come to Nairobi venture out to social spots in search of entertainment on their own. It is a high time we got more reps into the decision making organs of ICANN. Any Kenyans running? On 1/20/10, alice@apc.org <alice@apc.org> wrote:
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In March 2008, Nairobi was supposed to host Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) meeting. This is a huge meeting, ICANN uses about $ 2 million for these meetings, am sure you know what it means for the economy.
But the events that followed the 2007 elections meant that the meeting was cancelled, it was such a shame but that was understandable; after all, you do not want the people who control internet resources to fall into the traps of rival tribal gangs or to be caught in the cross fire.
After another round of presentations last year, the Kenya delegation led by Kenic and the Communications Commission of Kenya was able to convince the ICANN community that Kenya is safe enough, and they agreed to host the meeting this March.
We have been busy sweeping the roads and upgrading the hotels just to make sure that the most important ICANN community is happy, but they have never been, and I do not think they will ever be, if you ask me. I have been talking to sources within the organizing committee and ICANN has always had one niggling problem after another.
Last Friday's fracas with the muslims seems to have tipped the balance; ICANN now is contemplating moving the meeting to another safer city.
But if you ask me or any other ordinary Kenyan, I think ICANN does not understand the country and how it operates. Since 1998, Kenya has never been secure, according to US and UK embassies, yet its their installations that make us targets.
For whatever reasons, the country has always been rated poorly security wise, but which city is safe? New York? J' Burg? Cairo? Cassablanca? Am sure this is open to debate.
I think ICANN has its double standards; if they were truly concerned about the security, the meeting in Seoul would not have taken place; South Korea is always under alert because of North Korea nuclear intentions.
The meeting in Mexico city would not have gone on, after all every one there is said to carry a gun and the senior executives within ICANN membership were at risk of kidnappings. But the meetings took place.
So, why all the security farce about Nairobi?
I would love to point out a similar incident during the 2005 or around there Cricket world cup, where New Zealand forfeited their match with Kenya in Nairobi because of security situation. Sri Lanka agreed to play their match in Nairobi provided they were given top notch security, the government obliged.
By the time the plane carrying the Sri Lanka cricket team entered the Kenyan air space, they were escorted by helicopter gunships and all the other stuff you see in the movies. But Sri Lanka soon realized that no one was bothered with them; we whipped them and by the time they were going back to the airport, they took taxis and realized that no one cares.
In short, ICANN should know that they will come, they will hold their meeting, they will go away, and no one will probably remember they were here. How many people know about ICANN and what it does? How many people know that the people present are online millionaires?
ICANN has made demands that the meeting be moved to the UNEP Complex in Gigiri, and that the government should pay for all the charges bla bla... I think this is a move to alienate themselves from the ordinary kenyans. Getting to Gigiri is hectic let alone getting through the mean UN security staff.
Trust me, I have had my share of security incidences in Nairobi, but I do not think its worth canceling a meeting.
From my sources, I am told the government is paying for the gala dinner and all that, in other countries, ICANN has paid for that. So I think this is just a way for ICANN to make their demands and demonstrate their authority.
I am not saying that security measures should be ignored, but just know that poor security rating means more hardship allowance for the UN and embassy staff, so its in their interest to show Kenya on fire all the time.
One thing you should know that Kenya is a highly political company, all year round, stupid politics and we the media love it and exalt it, so deal with that. When you come and when you go, we will remain the same, and it does not mean ICANN will change anything, so get over it.
By the way, most people who will come will be holed up in lavish 5-star hotels where the thugs will not reach. The insecurity problem is for people like us who will have to walk home and deal with the neighborhood thugs.
The upshot of it is that ICANN should come, hold their meeting, give us the revenue, visit Maasai Mara and all the other areas, and go home. I am sure there will be enough cops guarding everywhere.
So, insecure or not, I think the meeting should go on. If you guys are not convinced, then you can move the meeting to wherever you want!
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Grace Bomu <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
This would be unreasonable.
Which? Moving the venue to UNEP or shifting it completely from Kenya? If the latter, then I might agree. There are many high profile meetings going
on in Nairobi despite our insecurity problems. In addition, conference tourists who come to Nairobi venture out to social spots in search of entertainment on their own. It is a high time we got more reps into the decision making organs of ICANN. Any Kenyans running?
The policy making bodies of ICANN that we as Internet users/business people (or even gov't types) do NOT make the decisions on meeting locations. The ICANN staff do this. Over on the AfrICANN list we have heard that ICANN has in the past, had local sponsors pick tabs for functions, so not sure Kenya is being targeted unfairly here. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
At 12:36 PM +0000 1/20/10, Grace Bomu wrote:
This would be unreasonable. There are many high profile meetings going on in Nairobi despite our insecurity problems. In addition, conference tourists who come to Nairobi venture out to social spots in search of entertainment on their own. It is a high time we got more reps into the decision making organs of ICANN. Any Kenyans running?
Grace, Hi. Good idea, and ICANN's nominating committee is taking applications for candidates now <http://nomcom.icann.org/> I too hope the meeting happens. Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of months, and hopefully at the KICC or a bar in town, not stuck on a bus for hours on the way to or from the UN :-) How many local people would bother to attend of the meeting was at the UN? Understand from Rebecca's comment it's something like a separate country and a pain to get in. ICANN meetings should be open. That's one of the requirements of the request for proposals for holding a meeting. And I think McTim's right, the host country paying for a gala dinner is another requirement (ICANN picks up the rest of the bill for the meeting, everything from conference rooms to power.) A thought, or really a question about last Friday's disturbances. Were they a one off, or might they happen again? Is this a permanent or semi-permanent change, or will the trouble pass and be over when the Jamaican guy is deported and things calm down? I know this is impossible to answer 100%, and I'm definitely not looking for an official position on this, but what do those of you in Nairobi think? If I were an ICANN board member thinking about the meeting, this might be useful to hear comments on. Adam
On 1/20/10, alice@apc.org <alice@apc.org> wrote:
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In March 2008, Nairobi was supposed to host Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) meeting. This is a huge meeting, ICANN uses about $ 2 million for these meetings, am sure you know what it means for the economy.
But the events that followed the 2007 elections meant that the meeting was cancelled, it was such a shame but that was understandable; after all, you do not want the people who control internet resources to fall into the traps of rival tribal gangs or to be caught in the cross fire.
After another round of presentations last year, the Kenya delegation led by Kenic and the Communications Commission of Kenya was able to convince the ICANN community that Kenya is safe enough, and they agreed to host the meeting this March.
We have been busy sweeping the roads and upgrading the hotels just to make sure that the most important ICANN community is happy, but they have never been, and I do not think they will ever be, if you ask me. I have been talking to sources within the organizing committee and ICANN has always had one niggling problem after another.
Last Friday's fracas with the muslims seems to have tipped the balance; ICANN now is contemplating moving the meeting to another safer city.
But if you ask me or any other ordinary Kenyan, I think ICANN does not understand the country and how it operates. Since 1998, Kenya has never been secure, according to US and UK embassies, yet its their installations that make us targets.
For whatever reasons, the country has always been rated poorly security wise, but which city is safe? New York? J' Burg? Cairo? Cassablanca? Am sure this is open to debate.
I think ICANN has its double standards; if they were truly concerned about the security, the meeting in Seoul would not have taken place; South Korea is always under alert because of North Korea nuclear intentions.
The meeting in Mexico city would not have gone on, after all every one there is said to carry a gun and the senior executives within ICANN membership were at risk of kidnappings. But the meetings took place.
So, why all the security farce about Nairobi?
I would love to point out a similar incident during the 2005 or around there Cricket world cup, where New Zealand forfeited their match with Kenya in Nairobi because of security situation. Sri Lanka agreed to play their match in Nairobi provided they were given top notch security, the government obliged.
By the time the plane carrying the Sri Lanka cricket team entered the Kenyan air space, they were escorted by helicopter gunships and all the other stuff you see in the movies. But Sri Lanka soon realized that no one was bothered with them; we whipped them and by the time they were going back to the airport, they took taxis and realized that no one cares.
In short, ICANN should know that they will come, they will hold their meeting, they will go away, and no one will probably remember they were here. How many people know about ICANN and what it does? How many people know that the people present are online millionaires?
ICANN has made demands that the meeting be moved to the UNEP Complex in Gigiri, and that the government should pay for all the charges bla bla... I think this is a move to alienate themselves from the ordinary kenyans. Getting to Gigiri is hectic let alone getting through the mean UN security staff.
Trust me, I have had my share of security incidences in Nairobi, but I do not think its worth canceling a meeting.
From my sources, I am told the government is paying for the gala dinner and all that, in other countries, ICANN has paid for that. So I think this is just a way for ICANN to make their demands and demonstrate their authority.
I am not saying that security measures should be ignored, but just know that poor security rating means more hardship allowance for the UN and embassy staff, so its in their interest to show Kenya on fire all the time.
One thing you should know that Kenya is a highly political company, all year round, stupid politics and we the media love it and exalt it, so deal with that. When you come and when you go, we will remain the same, and it does not mean ICANN will change anything, so get over it.
By the way, most people who will come will be holed up in lavish 5-star hotels where the thugs will not reach. The insecurity problem is for people like us who will have to walk home and deal with the neighborhood thugs.
The upshot of it is that ICANN should come, hold their meeting, give us the revenue, visit Maasai Mara and all the other areas, and go home. I am sure there will be enough cops guarding everywhere.
So, insecure or not, I think the meeting should go on. If you guys are not convinced, then you can move the meeting to wherever you want!
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My advise to the local Internet community is on the same lines as that from Grace Bomu and Adam Peake: if we want in the long run to be creators rather than observers of what is happening with ICANN then please VOLUNTEER to serve. All the decision-making positions are volunteer positions and there are negligible Africans there. This goes beyond the limited annual NOMCOM openings. One can volunteer to be active in a CONSTITUENCY or a support organization. Recently Alex Gakuru got a post in the Non-Commercial Users Constituency and that was a good first step. These constituencies also make their independent appointments to the BOARD, GNSO, NOMCOM,etc. While awaiting updates on the fate of the Nairobi meeting we should also think strategically. Waudo What is possible must be done; what is impossible can be done.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:13 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: <snip>
While awaiting updates on the fate of the Nairobi meeting we should also think strategically.
I've sent a mail to the half dozen Board Members I know personally (or from lists) and offered the perspective that NBO is no more or less secure now than when the decision to hold a meeting here was made. I've also suggested that the local hosts may have a more nuanced view of security here than the international media. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Dear Stakeholders, I think it would be good to have a co-ordinated approach in dealing with this (probable sad) turn of events. Can we ask the Delegation (Delegates) who took up lobbying on our behalf to ICANN, who I assume are part of the planning committee for this upcoming Meeting - get back to ICANN and convey to them our concerns unequivocally. ...That, we have every reason to be alarmed by the mixed signals we are receiving from their end, and for the avoidance of doubt, we honestly now need an "official" position, as matters stand. Is the meeting going to happen or not..? Can they send an advance assessment person(s), so that we can meet these (person/s) when they come here, so that we can address or allay their fears..? And also take them around..? We need to deal with this now, in a co-ordinated manner. By the way, who are on the planning committee..? Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of McTim Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:38 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:13 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: <snip>
While awaiting updates on the fate of the Nairobi meeting we should also think strategically.
I've sent a mail to the half dozen Board Members I know personally (or from lists) and offered the perspective that NBO is no more or less secure now than when the decision to hold a meeting here was made. I've also suggested that the local hosts may have a more nuanced view of security here than the international media. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke
From ICANN website http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20jan10-en.htm
Special Meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors 20 January 2010 A special meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors will be held via teleconference on 22 January 2010 at 19:00 UTC. The purpose of the board meeting is to assess plans for the upcoming meeting in Nairobi, and to consider the security concerns raised by community members in light of recent events. On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:39 +0300, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Dear Stakeholders,
I think it would be good to have a co-ordinated approach in dealing with this (probable sad) turn of events.
Can we ask the Delegation (Delegates) who took up lobbying on our behalf to ICANN, who I assume are part of the planning committee for this upcoming Meeting - get back to ICANN and convey to them our concerns unequivocally.
...That, we have every reason to be alarmed by the mixed signals we are receiving from their end, and for the avoidance of doubt, we honestly now need an "official" position, as matters stand. Is the meeting going to happen or not..? Can they send an advance assessment person(s), so that we can meet these (person/s) when they come here, so that we can address or allay their fears..? And also take them around..?
We need to deal with this now, in a co-ordinated manner. By the way, who are on the planning committee..?
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of McTim Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:38 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:13 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: <snip>
While awaiting updates on the fate of the Nairobi meeting we should also think strategically.
I've sent a mail to the half dozen Board Members I know personally (or from lists) and offered the perspective that NBO is no more or less secure now than when the decision to hold a meeting here was made. I've also suggested that the local hosts may have a more nuanced view of security here than the international media.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Thanks Mr. Siganga, Now, I have just been checking the site, we do not have a representation on the Board of Directors of ICANN - to lay our case.I wonder in the video Conference meeting, who will give the factual position on the ground as most of the directors are a million miles away.. Are our local delegation participating in the meet..? If not, can we push for inclusion in order to give a proper sitrep to them as their meeting is solely to discuss the Nairobi conference and security concerns. ICANN is supposed to land here in 2 months, - I think it's time this forum demands those involved in planning to get on board and give us updates on the plannning progress. Things are so quiet down this end, guys.... Regards, Harry -----Original Message----- From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:00 PM To: Harry Delano Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns
From ICANN website http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20jan10-en.htm
Special Meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors 20 January 2010 A special meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors will be held via teleconference on 22 January 2010 at 19:00 UTC. The purpose of the board meeting is to assess plans for the upcoming meeting in Nairobi, and to consider the security concerns raised by community members in light of recent events. On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:39 +0300, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Dear Stakeholders,
I think it would be good to have a co-ordinated approach in dealing with this (probable sad) turn of events.
Can we ask the Delegation (Delegates) who took up lobbying on our behalf to ICANN, who I assume are part of the planning committee for this upcoming Meeting - get back to ICANN and convey to them our concerns unequivocally.
...That, we have every reason to be alarmed by the mixed signals we are receiving from their end, and for the avoidance of doubt, we honestly now need an "official" position, as matters stand. Is the meeting going to happen or not..? Can they send an advance assessment person(s), so that we can meet these (person/s) when they come here, so that we can address or allay their fears..? And also take them around..?
We need to deal with this now, in a co-ordinated manner. By the way, who are on the planning committee..?
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of McTim Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:38 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:13 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: <snip>
While awaiting updates on the fate of the Nairobi meeting we should also think strategically.
I've sent a mail to the half dozen Board Members I know personally (or from lists) and offered the perspective that NBO is no more or less secure now than when the decision to hold a meeting here was made. I've also suggested that the local hosts may have a more nuanced view of security here than the international media.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Hi Harry Delano and all To begin with I would like to encourage all those who wish to attend and participate at the ICANN meeting to go to (http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/Nairobi/) and register please. Most ICANN meetings/sessions are open to the public unless otherwise stated on the programme. Other ICANN constituencies intend to manifest their support for the Nairobi meeting by registering so it is important that we also do as well. For the other questions you have raised, the local organising committee will soon hold a public/media session to discuss/share. thank you best alice
Now, I have just been checking the site, we do not have a representation on the Board of Directors of ICANN - to lay our case.I wonder in the video Conference meeting, who will give the factual position on the ground as most of the directors are a million miles away.
Are our local delegation participating in the meet..? If not, can we push for inclusion in order to give a proper sitrep to them as their meeting is solely to discuss the Nairobi conference and security concerns.
ICANN is supposed to land here in 2 months, - I think it's time this forum demands those involved in planning to get on board and give us updates on the plannning progress.
Things are so quiet down this end, guys....
Regards, Harry
-----Original Message----- From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:00 PM To: Harry Delano Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns
From ICANN website http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20jan10-en.htm
Special Meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors
20 January 2010
A special meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors will be held via teleconference on 22 January 2010 at 19:00 UTC.
The purpose of the board meeting is to assess plans for the upcoming meeting in Nairobi, and to consider the security concerns raised by community members in light of recent events.
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:39 +0300, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Dear Stakeholders,
I think it would be good to have a co-ordinated approach in dealing with this (probable sad) turn of events.
Can we ask the Delegation (Delegates) who took up lobbying on our behalf to ICANN, who I assume are part of the planning committee for this upcoming Meeting - get back to ICANN and convey to them our concerns unequivocally.
...That, we have every reason to be alarmed by the mixed signals we are receiving from their end, and for the avoidance of doubt, we honestly now need an "official" position, as matters stand. Is the meeting going to happen or not..? Can they send an advance assessment person(s), so that we can meet these (person/s) when they come here, so that we can address or allay their fears..? And also take them around..?
We need to deal with this now, in a co-ordinated manner. By the way, who are on the planning committee..?
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of McTim Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:38 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:13 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: <snip>
While awaiting updates on the fate of the Nairobi meeting we should also think strategically.
I've sent a mail to the half dozen Board Members I know personally (or from lists) and offered the perspective that NBO is no more or less secure now than when the decision to hold a meeting here was made. I've also suggested that the local hosts may have a more nuanced view of security here than the international media.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Hey Alice Best, Thanks. We look forward to hearing from the organising committee. Meantime, the organising comm to be vigilant, and keep checking on the ICANN B.O.D just to keep a tab on things and not get us flat-footed... Regards, Harry -----Original Message----- From: alice [mailto:alice@apc.org] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:03 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns Hi Harry Delano and all To begin with I would like to encourage all those who wish to attend and participate at the ICANN meeting to go to (http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/Nairobi/) and register please. Most ICANN meetings/sessions are open to the public unless otherwise stated on the programme. Other ICANN constituencies intend to manifest their support for the Nairobi meeting by registering so it is important that we also do as well. For the other questions you have raised, the local organising committee will soon hold a public/media session to discuss/share. thank you best alice
Now, I have just been checking the site, we do not have a representation on the Board of Directors of ICANN - to lay our case.I wonder in the video Conference meeting, who will give the factual position on the ground as most of the directors are a million miles away.
Are our local delegation participating in the meet..? If not, can we push for inclusion in order to give a proper sitrep to them as their meeting is solely to discuss the Nairobi conference and security concerns.
ICANN is supposed to land here in 2 months, - I think it's time this forum demands those involved in planning to get on board and give us updates on the plannning progress.
Things are so quiet down this end, guys....
Regards, Harry
-----Original Message----- From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:00 PM To: Harry Delano Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns
From ICANN website http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20jan10-en.htm
Special Meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors
20 January 2010
A special meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors will be held via teleconference on 22 January 2010 at 19:00 UTC.
The purpose of the board meeting is to assess plans for the upcoming meeting in Nairobi, and to consider the security concerns raised by community members in light of recent events.
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:39 +0300, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Dear Stakeholders,
I think it would be good to have a co-ordinated approach in dealing with this (probable sad) turn of events.
Can we ask the Delegation (Delegates) who took up lobbying on our behalf to ICANN, who I assume are part of the planning committee for this upcoming Meeting - get back to ICANN and convey to them our concerns unequivocally.
...That, we have every reason to be alarmed by the mixed signals we are receiving from their end, and for the avoidance of doubt, we honestly now need an "official" position, as matters stand. Is the meeting going to happen or not..? Can they send an advance assessment person(s), so that we can meet these (person/s) when they come here, so that we can address or allay their fears..? And also take them around..?
We need to deal with this now, in a co-ordinated manner. By the way, who are on the planning committee..?
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of McTim Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:38 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:13 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: <snip>
While awaiting updates on the fate of the Nairobi meeting we should also think strategically.
I've sent a mail to the half dozen Board Members I know personally (or from lists) and offered the perspective that NBO is no more or less secure now than when the decision to hold a meeting here was made. I've also suggested that the local hosts may have a more nuanced view of security here than the international media.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Yeap, doing abit of that on my side. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 21:28, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Hey Alice Best,
Thanks. We look forward to hearing from the organising committee.
Meantime, the organising comm to be vigilant, and keep checking on the ICANN B.O.D just to keep a tab on things and not get us flat-footed...
Regards, Harry
-----Original Message----- From: alice [mailto:alice@apc.org] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:03 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns
Hi Harry Delano and all
To begin with I would like to encourage all those who wish to attend and participate at the ICANN meeting to go to (http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/Nairobi/) and register please. Most ICANN meetings/sessions are open to the public unless otherwise stated on the programme. Other ICANN constituencies intend to manifest their support for the Nairobi meeting by registering so it is important that we also do as well. For the other questions you have raised, the local organising committee will soon hold a public/media session to discuss/share.
thank you
best alice
Now, I have just been checking the site, we do not have a representation on the Board of Directors of ICANN - to lay our case.I wonder in the video Conference meeting, who will give the factual position on the ground as most of the directors are a million miles away.
Are our local delegation participating in the meet..? If not, can we push for inclusion in order to give a proper sitrep to them as their meeting is solely to discuss the Nairobi conference and security concerns.
ICANN is supposed to land here in 2 months, - I think it's time this forum demands those involved in planning to get on board and give us updates on the plannning progress.
Things are so quiet down this end, guys....
Regards, Harry
-----Original Message----- From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:00 PM To: Harry Delano Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns
From ICANN website http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20jan10-en.htm
Special Meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors
20 January 2010
A special meeting of the ICANN Board of Directors will be held via teleconference on 22 January 2010 at 19:00 UTC.
The purpose of the board meeting is to assess plans for the upcoming meeting in Nairobi, and to consider the security concerns raised by community members in light of recent events.
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:39 +0300, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Dear Stakeholders,
I think it would be good to have a co-ordinated approach in dealing with this (probable sad) turn of events.
Can we ask the Delegation (Delegates) who took up lobbying on our behalf to ICANN, who I assume are part of the planning committee for this upcoming Meeting - get back to ICANN and convey to them our concerns unequivocally.
...That, we have every reason to be alarmed by the mixed signals we are receiving from their end, and for the avoidance of doubt, we honestly now need an "official" position, as matters stand. Is the meeting going to happen or not..? Can they send an advance assessment person(s), so that we can meet these (person/s) when they come here, so that we can address or allay their fears..? And also take them around..?
We need to deal with this now, in a co-ordinated manner. By the way, who are on the planning committee..?
Harry
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:13 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: <snip>
While awaiting updates on the fate of the Nairobi meeting we should also think strategically.
I've sent a mail to the half dozen Board Members I know personally (or from lists) and offered the perspective that NBO is no more or less secure now than when the decision to hold a meeting here was made. I've also suggested that the local hosts may have a more nuanced view of security here than the international media.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Well said Dr. Siganga, being a man of faith i am sure the meeting is still on , am just amazed at the way stakeholders are handling the meeting, we are so Lukewarm who is supposed to sensitize the public on the benefits of such a meeting as Becky has captured it??, where is Kenya ICT Board, where is Kenya Tourism Board? this event should be given the prominence it deserves , so many Kenyans are going to benefit from it Kudos to KENIC for your tireless efforts, we need to rally all stakeholders to give this event the prominence it requires, lets rise to the occasion and show the world that we can Regards On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:13 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
My advise to the local Internet community is on the same lines as that from Grace Bomu and Adam Peake: if we want in the long run to be creators rather than observers of what is happening with ICANN then please VOLUNTEER to serve. All the decision-making positions are volunteer positions and there are negligible Africans there. This goes beyond the limited annual NOMCOM openings. One can volunteer to be active in a CONSTITUENCY or a support organization. Recently Alex Gakuru got a post in the Non-Commercial Users Constituency and that was a good first step. These constituencies also make their independent appointments to the BOARD, GNSO, NOMCOM,etc. While awaiting updates on the fate of the Nairobi meeting we should also think strategically.
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This security issue and the meeting is multifaceted. However, security assessments are often made in regard to context (i.e Adam's question if Friday and worse will recur). I think the answer to that question, in regard terrorists, would be similar in any country. The probability is 50:50. Europe got a bomber on a US bound flight...No one, anywhere in the world, can be guranteed that a terrorist will not strike them. The Kenya govt., long before ICANN Nrb plans, has been working closely with Americans on terrorism - so intelligence is as good as it can be. There are broader issues here that make Kenya a very weak partner to ICANN. A board meeting is being planned to discuss security in Kenya and the input of local organisers is not central to that meeting. This is an unfair set up that is likely to work against the meeting being held in Nairobi. This naming and numbering institution needs to be democratised so that all players have equal power. Then no one will be threatening to cancel a meeting (without good and objective reason) where govt agencies (who already have enough to do) are already in planning mode. rgds, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 20 January, 2010 16:50:39 Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns At 12:36 PM +0000 1/20/10, Grace Bomu wrote:
This would be unreasonable. There are many high profile meetings going on in Nairobi despite our insecurity problems. In addition, conference tourists who come to Nairobi venture out to social spots in search of entertainment on their own. It is a high time we got more reps into the decision making organs of ICANN. Any Kenyans running?
Grace, Hi. Good idea, and ICANN's nominating committee is taking applications for candidates now <http://nomcom.icann.org/> I too hope the meeting happens. Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of months, and hopefully at the KICC or a bar in town, not stuck on a bus for hours on the way to or from the UN :-) How many local people would bother to attend of the meeting was at the UN? Understand from Rebecca's comment it's something like a separate country and a pain to get in. ICANN meetings should be open. That's one of the requirements of the request for proposals for holding a meeting. And I think McTim's right, the host country paying for a gala dinner is another requirement (ICANN picks up the rest of the bill for the meeting, everything from conference rooms to power.) A thought, or really a question about last Friday's disturbances. Were they a one off, or might they happen again? Is this a permanent or semi-permanent change, or will the trouble pass and be over when the Jamaican guy is deported and things calm down? I know this is impossible to answer 100%, and I'm definitely not looking for an official position on this, but what do those of you in Nairobi think? If I were an ICANN board member thinking about the meeting, this might be useful to hear comments on. Adam
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In March 2008, Nairobi was supposed to host Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) meeting. This is a huge meeting, ICANN uses about $ 2 million for these meetings, am sure you know what it means for the economy.
But the events that followed the 2007 elections meant that the meeting was cancelled, it was such a shame but that was understandable; after all, you do not want the people who control internet resources to fall into the traps of rival tribal gangs or to be caught in the cross fire.
After another round of presentations last year, the Kenya delegation led by Kenic and the Communications Commission of Kenya was able to convince the ICANN community that Kenya is safe enough, and they agreed to host the meeting this March.
We have been busy sweeping the roads and upgrading the hotels just to make sure that the most important ICANN community is happy, but they have never been, and I do not think they will ever be, if you ask me. I have been talking to sources within the organizing committee and ICANN has always had one niggling problem after another.
Last Friday's fracas with the muslims seems to have tipped the balance; ICANN now is contemplating moving the meeting to another safer city.
But if you ask me or any other ordinary Kenyan, I think ICANN does not understand the country and how it operates. Since 1998, Kenya has never been secure, according to US and UK embassies, yet its their installations that make us targets.
For whatever reasons, the country has always been rated poorly security wise, but which city is safe? New York? J' Burg? Cairo? Cassablanca? Am sure this is open to debate.
I think ICANN has its double standards; if they were truly concerned about the security, the meeting in Seoul would not have taken place; South Korea is always under alert because of North Korea nuclear intentions.
The meeting in Mexico city would not have gone on, after all every one there is said to carry a gun and the senior executives within ICANN membership > were at risk of kidnappings. But the meetings took place.
So, why all the security farce about Nairobi?
I would love to point out a similar incident during the 2005 or around there Cricket world cup, where New Zealand forfeited their match with Kenya in > Nairobi because of security situation. Sri Lanka agreed to play their match in Nairobi provided they were given top notch security, the government > obliged.
By the time the plane carrying the Sri Lanka cricket team entered the Kenyan air space, they were escorted by helicopter gunships and all the other stuff > you see in the movies. But Sri Lanka soon realized that no one was bothered with them; we whipped them and by the time they were going back to the airport, they took taxis and realized that no one cares.
In short, ICANN should know that they will come, they will hold their meeting, they will go away, and no one will probably remember they were here. How many people know about ICANN and what it does? How many people know that the people present are online millionaires?
ICANN has made demands that the meeting be moved to the UNEP Complex in Gigiri, and that the government should pay for all the charges bla bla... I think this is a move to alienate themselves from the ordinary kenyans. Getting to Gigiri is hectic let alone getting through the mean UN security staff.
Trust me, I have had my share of security incidences in Nairobi, but I do not think its worth canceling a meeting.
>From my sources, I am told the government is paying for the gala dinner and all that, in other countries, ICANN has paid for that. So I think this is just a way for ICANN to make their demands and demonstrate their authority.
I am not saying that security measures should be ignored, but just know that poor security rating means more hardship allowance for the UN and embassy staff, so its in their interest to show Kenya on fire all the time.
One thing you should know that Kenya is a highly political company, all year round, stupid politics and we the media love it and exalt it, so deal with that. When you come and when you go, we will remain the same, and it does not mean ICANN will change anything, so get over it.
By the way, most people who will come will be holed up in lavish 5-star hotels where the thugs will not reach. The insecurity problem is for people like us who will have to walk home and deal with the neighborhood thugs.
The upshot of it is that ICANN should come, hold their meeting, give us the revenue, visit Maasai Mara and all the other areas, and go home. I am sure there will be enough cops guarding everywhere.
So, insecure or not, I think the meeting should go on. If you guys are not convinced, then you can move the meeting to wherever you want!
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I have read that the Jamaican cleric has finally been deported. I have no experience with ICANN meetings but i believe the Kenyan organizing committee can be proactive around these circumstances and provide a joint statement with Kenya security agencies, hotels, government etc on how they will support the ICANN meeting from a security perspective. Perhaps provide a feed during this board meeting to have a Kenyan word on the table. We have nothing to loose in being proactive to keep the meeting in Nairobi but showing teamwork with all parties. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
This security issue and the meeting is multifaceted. However, security assessments are often made in regard to context (i.e Adam's question if Friday and worse will recur). I think the answer to that question, in regard terrorists, would be similar in any country. The probability is 50:50. Europe got a bomber on a US bound flight...No one, anywhere in the world, can be guranteed that a terrorist will not strike them. The Kenya govt., long before ICANN Nrb plans, has been working closely with Americans on terrorism - so intelligence is as good as it can be.
There are broader issues here that make Kenya a very weak partner to ICANN. A board meeting is being planned to discuss security in Kenya and the input of local organisers is not central to that meeting. This is an unfair set up that is likely to work against the meeting being held in Nairobi. This naming and numbering institution needs to be democratised so that all players have equal power. Then no one will be threatening to cancel a meeting (without good and objective reason) where govt agencies (who already have enough to do) are already in planning mode.
rgds, Wamuyu
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At 12:36 PM +0000 1/20/10, Grace Bomu wrote:
This would be unreasonable. There are many high profile meetings going on in Nairobi despite our insecurity problems. In addition, conference tourists who come to Nairobi venture out to social spots in search of entertainment on their own. It is a high time we got more reps into the decision making organs of ICANN. Any Kenyans running?
Grace, Hi. Good idea, and ICANN's nominating committee is taking applications for candidates now <http://nomcom.icann.org/>
I too hope the meeting happens. Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of months, and hopefully at the KICC or a bar in town, not stuck on a bus for hours on the way to or from the UN :-)
How many local people would bother to attend of the meeting was at the UN? Understand from Rebecca's comment it's something like a separate country and a pain to get in. ICANN meetings should be open. That's one of the requirements of the request for proposals for holding a meeting. And I think McTim's right, the host country paying for a gala dinner is another requirement (ICANN picks up the rest of the bill for the meeting, everything from conference rooms to power.)
A thought, or really a question about last Friday's disturbances. Were they a one off, or might they happen again? Is this a permanent or semi-permanent change, or will the trouble pass and be over when the Jamaican guy is deported and things calm down? I know this is impossible to answer 100%, and I'm definitely not looking for an official position on this, but what do those of you in Nairobi think? If I were an ICANN board member thinking about the meeting, this might be useful to hear comments on.
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In March 2008, Nairobi was supposed to host Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) meeting. This is a huge meeting, ICANN uses about $ 2 million for these meetings, am sure you know what it means for the economy.
But the events that followed the 2007 elections meant that the meeting was cancelled, it was such a shame but that was understandable; after all, you do not want the people who control internet resources to fall into the
of rival tribal gangs or to be caught in the cross fire.
After another round of presentations last year, the Kenya delegation led by Kenic and the Communications Commission of Kenya was able to convince
ICANN community that Kenya is safe enough, and they agreed to host the meeting this March.
We have been busy sweeping the roads and upgrading the hotels just to make sure that the most important ICANN community is happy, but they have never been, and I do not think they will ever be, if you ask me. I have been talking to sources within the organizing committee and ICANN has always had one niggling problem after another.
Last Friday's fracas with the muslims seems to have tipped the balance; ICANN now is contemplating moving the meeting to another safer city.
But if you ask me or any other ordinary Kenyan, I think ICANN does not understand the country and how it operates. Since 1998, Kenya has never been secure, according to US and UK embassies, yet its their installations
make us targets.
For whatever reasons, the country has always been rated poorly security wise, but which city is safe? New York? J' Burg? Cairo? Cassablanca? Am sure this is open to debate.
I think ICANN has its double standards; if they were truly concerned about the security, the meeting in Seoul would not have taken place; South Korea is always under alert because of North Korea nuclear intentions.
The meeting in Mexico city would not have gone on, after all every one
is said to carry a gun and the senior executives within ICANN membership were at risk of kidnappings. But the meetings took place.
So, why all the security farce about Nairobi?
I would love to point out a similar incident during the 2005 or around
Cricket world cup, where New Zealand forfeited their match with Kenya in Nairobi because of security situation. Sri Lanka agreed to play their match in Nairobi provided they were given top notch security, the government obliged.
By the time the plane carrying the Sri Lanka cricket team entered the Kenyan air space, they were escorted by helicopter gunships and all the other stuff you see in the movies. But Sri Lanka soon realized that no one was bothered with them; we whipped them and by the time they were going back to the airport, they took taxis and realized that no one cares.
In short, ICANN should know that they will come, they will hold their meeting, they will go away, and no one will probably remember they were here. How many people know about ICANN and what it does? How many
know that the people present are online millionaires?
ICANN has made demands that the meeting be moved to the UNEP Complex in Gigiri, and that the government should pay for all the charges bla bla... I think this is a move to alienate themselves from the ordinary kenyans. Getting to Gigiri is hectic let alone getting through the mean UN security staff.
Trust me, I have had my share of security incidences in Nairobi, but I do not think its worth canceling a meeting.
From my sources, I am told the government is paying for the gala dinner and all that, in other countries, ICANN has paid for that. So I think this is just a way for ICANN to make their demands and demonstrate their authority.
I am not saying that security measures should be ignored, but just know
poor security rating means more hardship allowance for the UN and embassy staff, so its in their interest to show Kenya on fire all the time.
One thing you should know that Kenya is a highly political company, all year round, stupid politics and we the media love it and exalt it, so deal with that. When you come and when you go, we will remain the same, and it does not mean ICANN will change anything, so get over it.
By the way, most people who will come will be holed up in lavish 5-star hotels where the thugs will not reach. The insecurity problem is for
like us who will have to walk home and deal with the neighborhood
On 1/20/10, alice@apc.org <alice@apc.org> wrote: traps the that there there people that people thugs.
The upshot of it is that ICANN should come, hold their meeting, give us
the
revenue, visit Maasai Mara and all the other areas, and go home. I am sure there will be enough cops guarding everywhere.
So, insecure or not, I think the meeting should go on. If you guys are not convinced, then you can move the meeting to wherever you want!
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Hey Dorcas, Thanks for capturing the spirit of the moment. The B.O.D meeting is in just under 3 Hours. Let's hope all is well, and good tidings will come from the briefing we anticipate after they conclude. Good to note, as Njeri (Rionge) mentioned earlier, we keeping in touch. Let's not relent.. Thanks.. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Dorcas Muthoni Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:56 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns I have read that the Jamaican cleric has finally been deported. I have no experience with ICANN meetings but i believe the Kenyan organizing committee can be proactive around these circumstances and provide a joint statement with Kenya security agencies, hotels, government etc on how they will support the ICANN meeting from a security perspective. Perhaps provide a feed during this board meeting to have a Kenyan word on the table. We have nothing to loose in being proactive to keep the meeting in Nairobi but showing teamwork with all parties. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: This security issue and the meeting is multifaceted. However, security assessments are often made in regard to context (i.e Adam's question if Friday and worse will recur). I think the answer to that question, in regard terrorists, would be similar in any country. The probability is 50:50. Europe got a bomber on a US bound flight...No one, anywhere in the world, can be guranteed that a terrorist will not strike them. The Kenya govt., long before ICANN Nrb plans, has been working closely with Americans on terrorism - so intelligence is as good as it can be. There are broader issues here that make Kenya a very weak partner to ICANN. A board meeting is being planned to discuss security in Kenya and the input of local organisers is not central to that meeting. This is an unfair set up that is likely to work against the meeting being held in Nairobi. This naming and numbering institution needs to be democratised so that all players have equal power. Then no one will be threatening to cancel a meeting (without good and objective reason) where govt agencies (who already have enough to do) are already in planning mode. rgds, Wamuyu _____ From: Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 20 January, 2010 16:50:39 Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN meeting and security concerns At 12:36 PM +0000 1/20/10, Grace Bomu wrote:
This would be unreasonable. There are many high profile meetings going on in Nairobi despite our insecurity problems. In addition, conference tourists who come to Nairobi venture out to social spots in search of entertainment on their own. It is a high time we got more reps into the decision making organs of ICANN. Any Kenyans running?
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In March 2008, Nairobi was supposed to host Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) meeting. This is a huge meeting, ICANN uses about $ 2 million for these meetings, am sure you know what it means for the economy.
But the events that followed the 2007 elections meant that the meeting was cancelled, it was such a shame but that was understandable; after all, you do not want the people who control internet resources to fall into the
of rival tribal gangs or to be caught in the cross fire.
After another round of presentations last year, the Kenya delegation led by Kenic and the Communications Commission of Kenya was able to convince
ICANN community that Kenya is safe enough, and they agreed to host the meeting this March.
We have been busy sweeping the roads and upgrading the hotels just to make sure that the most important ICANN community is happy, but they have never been, and I do not think they will ever be, if you ask me. I have been talking to sources within the organizing committee and ICANN has always had one niggling problem after another.
Last Friday's fracas with the muslims seems to have tipped the balance; ICANN now is contemplating moving the meeting to another safer city.
But if you ask me or any other ordinary Kenyan, I think ICANN does not understand the country and how it operates. Since 1998, Kenya has never been secure, according to US and UK embassies, yet its their installations
make us targets.
For whatever reasons, the country has always been rated poorly security wise, but which city is safe? New York? J' Burg? Cairo? Cassablanca? Am sure this is open to debate.
I think ICANN has its double standards; if they were truly concerned about the security, the meeting in Seoul would not have taken place; South Korea is always under alert because of North Korea nuclear intentions.
The meeting in Mexico city would not have gone on, after all every one
is said to carry a gun and the senior executives within ICANN membership were at risk of kidnappings. But the meetings took place.
So, why all the security farce about Nairobi?
I would love to point out a similar incident during the 2005 or around
Cricket world cup, where New Zealand forfeited their match with Kenya in Nairobi because of security situation. Sri Lanka agreed to play their match in Nairobi provided they were given top notch security, the government obliged.
By the time the plane carrying the Sri Lanka cricket team entered the Kenyan air space, they were escorted by helicopter gunships and all the other stuff you see in the movies. But Sri Lanka soon realized that no one was bothered with them; we whipped them and by the time they were going back to the airport, they took taxis and realized that no one cares.
In short, ICANN should know that they will come, they will hold their meeting, they will go away, and no one will probably remember they were here. How many people know about ICANN and what it does? How many people know that the people present are online millionaires?
ICANN has made demands that the meeting be moved to the UNEP Complex in Gigiri, and that the government should pay for all the charges bla bla... I think this is a move to alienate themselves from the ordinary kenyans. Getting to Gigiri is hectic let alone getting through the mean UN security staff.
Trust me, I have had my share of security incidences in Nairobi, but I do not think its worth canceling a meeting.
From my sources, I am told the government is paying for the gala dinner and all that, in other countries, ICANN has paid for that. So I think this is just a way for ICANN to make their demands and demonstrate their authority.
I am not saying that security measures should be ignored, but just know
poor security rating means more hardship allowance for the UN and embassy staff, so its in their interest to show Kenya on fire all the time.
One thing you should know that Kenya is a highly political company, all year round, stupid politics and we the media love it and exalt it, so deal with that. When you come and when you go, we will remain the same, and it does not mean ICANN will change anything, so get over it.
By the way, most people who will come will be holed up in lavish 5-star hotels where the thugs will not reach. The insecurity problem is for
like us who will have to walk home and deal with the neighborhood thugs.
The upshot of it is that ICANN should come, hold their meeting, give us
Grace, Hi. Good idea, and ICANN's nominating committee is taking applications for candidates now <http://nomcom.icann.org/> I too hope the meeting happens. Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of months, and hopefully at the KICC or a bar in town, not stuck on a bus for hours on the way to or from the UN :-) How many local people would bother to attend of the meeting was at the UN? Understand from Rebecca's comment it's something like a separate country and a pain to get in. ICANN meetings should be open. That's one of the requirements of the request for proposals for holding a meeting. And I think McTim's right, the host country paying for a gala dinner is another requirement (ICANN picks up the rest of the bill for the meeting, everything from conference rooms to power.) A thought, or really a question about last Friday's disturbances. Were they a one off, or might they happen again? Is this a permanent or semi-permanent change, or will the trouble pass and be over when the Jamaican guy is deported and things calm down? I know this is impossible to answer 100%, and I'm definitely not looking for an official position on this, but what do those of you in Nairobi think? If I were an ICANN board member thinking about the meeting, this might be useful to hear comments on. Adam traps the that there there that people the
revenue, visit Maasai Mara and all the other areas, and go home. I am sure there will be enough cops guarding everywhere.
So, insecure or not, I think the meeting should go on. If you guys are not convinced, then you can move the meeting to wherever you want!
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk>wrote: <snip>
There are broader issues here that make Kenya a very weak partner to ICANN. A board meeting is being planned to discuss security in Kenya and the input of local organisers is not central to that meeting.
I would suggest that your are assuming facts not in evidence.
This is an unfair set up that is likely to work against the meeting being held in Nairobi. This naming and numbering institution needs to be democratised so that all players have equal power. Then no one will be threatening to cancel a meeting
Who is threatening to cancel a meeting? What we have here is a situation where the blogoshpere and Twitter comments have prompted people to panic a bit and assume the worst. Like Njeri, I have sent a follow up mail to some Board members letting them know of the deportation so that they have additional information for todays Board meeting. I would be very surprised (and disappointed) if ICANN moves the meeting away from here. Let's not rush to judgement. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Unfortunately some of the info,and especially the pictures e.g. [1]http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550 /847166/-/t4k7a0z/-/ coming up on some other communications make Nairobi look like central Kabul!
just a quick note to update those of you who are planning to go to Nairobi. the security situation in Nairobi may be deteriorating. here's the lede from a Reuters story that hit a few hours ago;
NAIROBI, Jan 21 (Reuters) - Somalia's hardline al Shabaab rebels threatened on Thursday to attack neighbouring Kenya following a crackdown on Somalis in the capital Nairobi, according to a recording posted on an al Shabaab Web site. Islamist al Shabaab have threatened to attack Kenya before, although anger has been rising over the past week among the Somali community after Kenyan security forces detained hundreds of Somalis living in a Nairobi suburb.
here's a link to the story;
I couldn't open the link, but another story is attached below: [2] http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/53955 0/847166/-/t4k7a0z/-/ References 1. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/847166/-/t4k7... 2. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/847166/-/t4k7... "Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the ones doing it." -old proverb
Thanks, it's been reassuring to see the positive comments about the security situation. Wamuyu, your comment about Kenya's long experience working with the U.S. on terrorism is well taken: intelligence should be good. Just hope decisions will be made based on good intelligence. Very difficult from press reports, including video to get a real sense of how serious the demonstrations were. Some of the video in particular looks dramatic, as if the whole of downtown Nairobi was overtaken by trouble. I haven't been to the Jamia Mosque, but stayed at the Intercontinental and been to the KICC. The Mosque and KICC are a few hundred yards apart, is that correct? Quite easy to get the wrong impression if like me you don't know the city. I am guessing the demonstrations were around the Mosque and didn't spread more than a couple of streets, but that's not the impression you'd get from media coverage. But some good news from the media today, Reuters reporting "Somali Rebels Deny Threatening to Attack Nairobi" <http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/01/22/world/international-uk-kenya-somalia.html>. I understand ICANN had picked up on this story a day or so ago and it had made them more concerned. Now we see the story is false, hopefully some sense will return. Adam At 11:26 AM +0300 1/22/10, waudo siganga wrote:
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Unfortunately some of the info,and especially the pictures e.g. <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/847166/-/t4k7a0z/-/>http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/847166/-/t4k7a0z/-/ coming up on some other communications make Nairobi look like central Kabul!
just a quick note to update those of you who are planning to go to Nairobi. the security situation in Nairobi may be deteriorating. here's the lede from a Reuters story that hit a few hours ago;
NAIROBI, Jan 21 (Reuters) - Somalia's hardline al Shabaab rebels threatened on Thursday to attack neighbouring Kenya following a crackdown on Somalis in the capital Nairobi, according to a recording posted on an al Shabaab Web site. Islamist al Shabaab have threatened to attack Kenya before, although anger has been rising over the past week among the Somali community after Kenyan security forces detained hundreds of Somalis living in a Nairobi suburb.
here's a link to the story;
I couldn't open the link, but another story is attached below:
<http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/847166/-/t4k7a0z/-/> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/847166/-/t4k7...
"Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the ones doing it." -old proverb
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