of online degrees + PCK...
Just read from todays Nation http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University. Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out. I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote " Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University. I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview? Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-) walu.
Walu, FYI
http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/InstAccrDetails.aspx?756e697469643d323131313...
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Just read from todays Nation http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University.
Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out.
I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University
It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote
" Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University.
I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview?
Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-)
walu.
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+1 1. Washint.edu is not accredited, although it might be better than some of our accredited universities (without naming names) 2. Education is not the benchmark for knowledge or intelligence 3. Our constitution and leaders insisting on education over other qualities is hogwash and extremely not very clever. 4. Robert Yawe should have had his day with the interviewing board On 28 August 2012 18:28, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Just read from todays Nation *http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb *that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University.
Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out.
I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University
It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote
" Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University.
I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview?
Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-)
walu.
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I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview?
In that case, would the candidate pass the integrity test required for a person holding that office? --James
Hi Walu, Thanks, nonetheless, for the belated lobbying with the ideas being put forth by the new PMG I might be coming back for more lobbying. More importantly is the issue you have raised about degrees for a degrees sake and I made it clear to PS Ndemo at the height of my lobbying that I would not go and get a US$ 1,500/- online degree just to meet a flawed requirement. Sometimes what you need is passion (Hon. Kajwang raised the issue of a "passionometer") and a clear understanding of the problem and a grasp of the ideal solution. Installing WiFi connectivity and offering it at Kes. 150/= per month will never get PCK out of the situation it currently is in now, the silence on this comment is a clear indication that very few of us actually read the article. I would like to believe that the WiFi was to only access e-gov and local content other wise at those charges he would not be able to cover the cost of international bandwidth let alone the backbone infrastructure to Internet the various post offices. He would rather be thinking of having an e-commerce platform where you could order items online (a blank CD in Nairobi is 15/- in Thika it is 25/-), pay using PostaPay/PesaPay/mPesa and have them delivered by EMS or PostMail, that is the thinking expected of someone at the helm of PCK today and not one who believes that PCK is only about letter. So if the WiFi system had 1 million users of which 20% bought online, from a locally situated store, two item every month weighing less than five KG (that is the smallest chargeable unit) for which they paid 250/- each for delivery that would result in a revenue of 1,200,000,000/- (1.2 Billion). This solution can be implemented today without having to spend 1.2 Billion in CapEx just use the Safaricom cloud to host the sites and spend 150 Million in media advertising and 50 Million in printing direct marketing materials to be inserted in the post office boxes (no stamp cost required). If the board and management of PCK are truly interested in revamping the corporation I can put together a consortium of local developers a Pasha loan from KICTB and free hosting from Safaricom (yet to discuss with them but this post should have them salivating to jump on board) to implement the e-commerce solution proposed above all in exchange for a small revenue share arrangement. There PMG free advice from the person who believes he deserved the job if it was based on the results of a passionometer. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 18:28 Subject: [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK... Just read from todays Nation http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University. Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out. I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote " Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University. I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview? Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-) walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Robert, Is there anyone currently playing in the online delivery space, say for items purchased from Amazon? I would be interested in figures of how many people are really buying items online. Regards ........................................................... Josphat Karanja, * * *Blog: *http://mawazoyamkenya.blogspot.com/ On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi Walu,
Thanks, nonetheless, for the belated lobbying with the ideas being put forth by the new PMG I might be coming back for more lobbying.
More importantly is the issue you have raised about degrees for a degrees sake and I made it clear to PS Ndemo at the height of my lobbying that I would not go and get a US$ 1,500/- online degree just to meet a flawed requirement. Sometimes what you need is passion (Hon. Kajwang raised the issue of a "passionometer") and a clear understanding of the problem and a grasp of the ideal solution.
Installing WiFi connectivity and offering it at Kes. 150/= per month will never get PCK out of the situation it currently is in now, the silence on this comment is a clear indication that very few of us actually read the article.
I would like to believe that the WiFi was to only access e-gov and local content other wise at those charges he would not be able to cover the cost of international bandwidth let alone the backbone infrastructure to Internet the various post offices.
He would rather be thinking of having an e-commerce platform where you could order items online (a blank CD in Nairobi is 15/- in Thika it is 25/-), pay using PostaPay/PesaPay/mPesa and have them delivered by EMS or PostMail, that is the thinking expected of someone at the helm of PCK today and not one who believes that PCK is only about letter.
So if the WiFi system had 1 million users of which 20% bought online, from a locally situated store, two item every month weighing less than five KG (that is the smallest chargeable unit) for which they paid 250/- each for delivery that would result in a revenue of 1,200,000,000/- (1.2 Billion).
This solution can be implemented today without having to spend 1.2 Billion in CapEx just use the Safaricom cloud to host the sites and spend 150 Million in media advertising and 50 Million in printing direct marketing materials to be inserted in the post office boxes (no stamp cost required).
If the board and management of PCK are truly interested in revamping the corporation I can put together a consortium of local developers a Pasha loan from KICTB and free hosting from Safaricom (yet to discuss with them but this post should have them salivating to jump on board) to implement the e-commerce solution proposed above all in exchange for a small revenue share arrangement.
There PMG free advice from the person who believes he deserved the job if it was based on the results of a passionometer.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 18:28 *Subject:* [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK...
Just read from todays Nation *http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb *that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University.
Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out.
I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University
It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote
" Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University.
I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview?
Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-)
walu.
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For some of these things the product creates the market. Its like saying how there was no market for cars in the 1800s. We dont buy online because it is not reliable, efficient or trustworthy yet. It is why we all troop to Nakumatt because there is some quality assurance. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Josphat Karanja <karanjajf@gmail.com>wrote:
Robert,
Is there anyone currently playing in the online delivery space, say for items purchased from Amazon?
I would be interested in figures of how many people are really buying items online.
Regards ........................................................... Josphat Karanja, * * *Blog: *http://mawazoyamkenya.blogspot.com/
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi Walu,
Thanks, nonetheless, for the belated lobbying with the ideas being put forth by the new PMG I might be coming back for more lobbying.
More importantly is the issue you have raised about degrees for a degrees sake and I made it clear to PS Ndemo at the height of my lobbying that I would not go and get a US$ 1,500/- online degree just to meet a flawed requirement. Sometimes what you need is passion (Hon. Kajwang raised the issue of a "passionometer") and a clear understanding of the problem and a grasp of the ideal solution.
Installing WiFi connectivity and offering it at Kes. 150/= per month will never get PCK out of the situation it currently is in now, the silence on this comment is a clear indication that very few of us actually read the article.
I would like to believe that the WiFi was to only access e-gov and local content other wise at those charges he would not be able to cover the cost of international bandwidth let alone the backbone infrastructure to Internet the various post offices.
He would rather be thinking of having an e-commerce platform where you could order items online (a blank CD in Nairobi is 15/- in Thika it is 25/-), pay using PostaPay/PesaPay/mPesa and have them delivered by EMS or PostMail, that is the thinking expected of someone at the helm of PCK today and not one who believes that PCK is only about letter.
So if the WiFi system had 1 million users of which 20% bought online, from a locally situated store, two item every month weighing less than five KG (that is the smallest chargeable unit) for which they paid 250/- each for delivery that would result in a revenue of 1,200,000,000/- (1.2 Billion).
This solution can be implemented today without having to spend 1.2 Billion in CapEx just use the Safaricom cloud to host the sites and spend 150 Million in media advertising and 50 Million in printing direct marketing materials to be inserted in the post office boxes (no stamp cost required).
If the board and management of PCK are truly interested in revamping the corporation I can put together a consortium of local developers a Pasha loan from KICTB and free hosting from Safaricom (yet to discuss with them but this post should have them salivating to jump on board) to implement the e-commerce solution proposed above all in exchange for a small revenue share arrangement.
There PMG free advice from the person who believes he deserved the job if it was based on the results of a passionometer.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 18:28 *Subject:* [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK...
Just read from todays Nation *http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb *that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University.
Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out.
I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University
It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote
" Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University.
I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview?
Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-)
walu.
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Hi Mwangi, Ask PCK what is the volume of shipments they handle from Amazon and eBay then you will realise that you are one of very few people who still believe that they need to hold an item in their hands before buying. Experience and recommendations is what gives the belief that at a supermarket there is an assurance of quality yet for many years Nakumatt was believed to offer low quality products but when Uchumi faltered and people who would never be seen dead in Nakumatt tried the chain and many got hooked and never left. I will repeat what I have said before, Nairobi is not Kenya, just because we have a choice of which supermarket to shop at does not make it a national norm or a basic human right. Note my mention of the cost of a CD in Thika (50 KM from Nairobi) and in Nairobi. I sell conference recordings on DVD and people have ordered them online from as far off as Garsen so I wonder which people are you referring to who believe will not shop online if the facility was available. Bata has just launched an online ordering system which includes delivery, it is a partnership with such an organisation that PCK needs not WiFi hot spots. KENet has provided high speed connectivity across Universities most of which is being used for youtube viewing while next door the most profitable business is the photocopying of books at a cost 3 times that of buying the book all because the student in Maseno or Tana River University college can not afford to come to Nairobi to buy a new or used copy of the book. Tell me that if the student had a way to order the book online and have it delivered securely that he would still opt for the photocopy because there is quality assurance by looking at the original Many people still have faith in PCK me included which is why every time I have the option when shipping in items from overseas I will use EMS. Even found out that it was cheaper to send my books from Amazon (still import physical books even though I have a kindle, but don't I say) to my sister's in the US, which is free, then onward shipping using USPS aka EMS. Mwangi, I do not theorize I actually do practice what I preach, I participate in online commerce which is why I can stand on this pedestal and give my opinion and proposals to PCK having no fear or reservations to the likelihood of potshots. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2012, 14:13 Subject: Re: [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK... For some of these things the product creates the market. Its like saying how there was no market for cars in the 1800s. We dont buy online because it is not reliable, efficient or trustworthy yet. It is why we all troop to Nakumatt because there is some quality assurance. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Josphat Karanja <karanjajf@gmail.com> wrote: Robert,
Is there anyone currently playing in the online delivery space, say for items purchased from Amazon?
I would be interested in figures of how many people are really buying items online.
Regards ........................................................... Josphat Karanja,
Blog: http://mawazoyamkenya.blogspot.com/
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Walu,
Thanks, nonetheless, for the belated lobbying with the ideas being put forth by the new PMG I might be coming back for more lobbying.
More importantly is the issue you have raised about degrees for a degrees sake and I made it clear to PS Ndemo at the height of my lobbying that I would not go and get a US$ 1,500/- online degree just to meet a flawed requirement. Sometimes what you need is passion (Hon. Kajwang raised the issue of a "passionometer") and a clear understanding of the problem and a grasp of the ideal solution.
Installing WiFi connectivity and offering it at Kes. 150/= per month will never get PCK out of the situation it currently is in now, the silence on this comment is a clear indication that very few of us actually read the article.
I would like to believe that the WiFi
was to only access e-gov and local content other wise at those charges he would not be able to cover the cost of international bandwidth let alone the backbone infrastructure to Internet the various post offices.
He would rather be thinking of having an e-commerce platform where you could order items online (a blank CD in Nairobi is 15/- in Thika it is 25/-), pay using PostaPay/PesaPay/mPesa and have them delivered by EMS or PostMail, that is the thinking expected of someone at the helm of PCK today and not one who believes that PCK is only about letter.
So if the WiFi system had 1 million users of which 20% bought online, from a locally situated store, two item every month weighing less than five KG (that is the smallest chargeable unit) for which they paid 250/- each for delivery that would result in a revenue of 1,200,000,000/- (1.2 Billion).
This solution can be implemented today without having to spend 1.2
Billion in CapEx just use the Safaricom cloud to host the sites and spend 150 Million in media advertising and 50 Million in printing direct marketing materials to be inserted in the post office boxes (no stamp cost required).
If the board and management of PCK are truly interested in revamping the corporation I can put together a consortium of local developers a Pasha loan from KICTB and free hosting from Safaricom (yet to discuss with them but this post should have them salivating to jump on board) to implement the e-commerce solution proposed above all in exchange for a small revenue share arrangement.
There PMG free advice from the person who believes he deserved the job if it was based on the results of a passionometer.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 18:28 Subject: [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK...
Just read from todays Nation http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University.
Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out.
I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking
Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University
It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote
" Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could
lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University.
I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview?
Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-)
walu.
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+1 Ali Hussein On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:11 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Mwangi,
Ask PCK what is the volume of shipments they handle from Amazon and eBay then you will realise that you are one of very few people who still believe that they need to hold an item in their hands before buying.
Experience and recommendations is what gives the belief that at a supermarket there is an assurance of quality yet for many years Nakumatt was believed to offer low quality products but when Uchumi faltered and people who would never be seen dead in Nakumatt tried the chain and many got hooked and never left.
I will repeat what I have said before, Nairobi is not Kenya, just because we have a choice of which supermarket to shop at does not make it a national norm or a basic human right. Note my mention of the cost of a CD in Thika (50 KM from Nairobi) and in Nairobi.
I sell conference recordings on DVD and people have ordered them online from as far off as Garsen so I wonder which people are you referring to who believe will not shop online if the facility was available.
Bata has just launched an online ordering system which includes delivery, it is a partnership with such an organisation that PCK needs not WiFi hot spots.
KENet has provided high speed connectivity across Universities most of which is being used for youtube viewing while next door the most profitable business is the photocopying of books at a cost 3 times that of buying the book all because the student in Maseno or Tana River University college can not afford to come to Nairobi to buy a new or used copy of the book.
Tell me that if the student had a way to order the book online and have it delivered securely that he would still opt for the photocopy because there is quality assurance by looking at the original
Many people still have faith in PCK me included which is why every time I have the option when shipping in items from overseas I will use EMS. Even found out that it was cheaper to send my books from Amazon (still import physical books even though I have a kindle, but don't I say) to my sister's in the US, which is free, then onward shipping using USPS aka EMS.
Mwangi, I do not theorize I actually do practice what I preach, I participate in online commerce which is why I can stand on this pedestal and give my opinion and proposals to PCK having no fear or reservations to the likelihood of potshots.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 30 August 2012, 14:13 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK...
For some of these things the product creates the market. Its like saying how there was no market for cars in the 1800s. We dont buy online because it is not reliable, efficient or trustworthy yet. It is why we all troop to Nakumatt because there is some quality assurance.
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Josphat Karanja <karanjajf@gmail.com>wrote:
Robert,
Is there anyone currently playing in the online delivery space, say for items purchased from Amazon?
I would be interested in figures of how many people are really buying items online.
Regards ........................................................... Josphat Karanja, * * *Blog: *http://mawazoyamkenya.blogspot.com/
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi Walu,
Thanks, nonetheless, for the belated lobbying with the ideas being put forth by the new PMG I might be coming back for more lobbying.
More importantly is the issue you have raised about degrees for a degrees sake and I made it clear to PS Ndemo at the height of my lobbying that I would not go and get a US$ 1,500/- online degree just to meet a flawed requirement. Sometimes what you need is passion (Hon. Kajwang raised the issue of a "passionometer") and a clear understanding of the problem and a grasp of the ideal solution.
Installing WiFi connectivity and offering it at Kes. 150/= per month will never get PCK out of the situation it currently is in now, the silence on this comment is a clear indication that very few of us actually read the article.
I would like to believe that the WiFi was to only access e-gov and local content other wise at those charges he would not be able to cover the cost of international bandwidth let alone the backbone infrastructure to Internet the various post offices.
He would rather be thinking of having an e-commerce platform where you could order items online (a blank CD in Nairobi is 15/- in Thika it is 25/-), pay using PostaPay/PesaPay/mPesa and have them delivered by EMS or PostMail, that is the thinking expected of someone at the helm of PCK today and not one who believes that PCK is only about letter.
So if the WiFi system had 1 million users of which 20% bought online, from a locally situated store, two item every month weighing less than five KG (that is the smallest chargeable unit) for which they paid 250/- each for delivery that would result in a revenue of 1,200,000,000/- (1.2 Billion).
This solution can be implemented today without having to spend 1.2 Billion in CapEx just use the Safaricom cloud to host the sites and spend 150 Million in media advertising and 50 Million in printing direct marketing materials to be inserted in the post office boxes (no stamp cost required).
If the board and management of PCK are truly interested in revamping the corporation I can put together a consortium of local developers a Pasha loan from KICTB and free hosting from Safaricom (yet to discuss with them but this post should have them salivating to jump on board) to implement the e-commerce solution proposed above all in exchange for a small revenue share arrangement.
There PMG free advice from the person who believes he deserved the job if it was based on the results of a passionometer.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 18:28 *Subject:* [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK...
Just read from todays Nation *http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb *that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University.
Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out.
I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University
It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote
" Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University.
I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview?
Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-)
walu.
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interesting... I think Yawe has a point. PCK recovery strategy should revolve around eCommerce rather than trying to pretend to be another Telco providing (cheap) Wifi. The last time PCK tried this Telco move was, I recall, was just before the 2002 elections (what a coincidence?) In 2001-2, they installed Satellite dishes (x4) in each of the 700 Post-office across the country in preparation to offer internet services to the rural folks. And because bloggers are being hurled to courts in recent times, I will avoid naming folks who legally made a killing from this project that never quite took off. "Legally" because the won the tenders to do the job and they did deliver the equipment. They legally won the tender to Consult on the project as Lawyers, Financiers etc and the delivered the services accordingly and so really you cannot blame them. Infact recently there was a case in court where one of these Lawyers won a case to be paid his balance... And now in as we approach 2013 elections - PCK is again making another "Telco" attempt worth I dont know how many billions? Yawe - now you know why you will never be the Post Master General. How can you when you might fight against such lucrative Telco projects? Perhaps you should remain just a Desktop activist/blogger :-) walu. nb: not sure if we have PCK staff are on the list but I think they should convince us how this Wifi project will change PCK fortunes. And since PCK is fully owned by the Public (unlike Safcom) we can as Edith said and in the spirit of the new constitution, we can indeed demand that they show us how they intend to use our money. Who knows, we may after all be wrong and they may be right. --- On Thu, 8/30/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK... To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2012, 5:11 PM Hi Mwangi, Ask PCK what is the volume of shipments they handle from Amazon and eBay then you will realise that you are one of very few people who still believe that they need to hold an item in their hands before buying. Experience and recommendations is what gives the belief that at a supermarket there is an assurance of quality yet for many years Nakumatt was believed to offer low quality products but when Uchumi faltered and people who would never be seen dead in Nakumatt tried the chain and many got hooked and never left. I will repeat what I have said before, Nairobi is not Kenya, just because we have a choice of which supermarket to shop at does not make it a national norm or a basic human right. Note my mention of the cost of a CD in Thika (50 KM from Nairobi) and in Nairobi. I sell conference recordings on DVD and people have ordered them online from as far off as Garsen so I wonder which people are you referring to who believe will not shop online if the facility was available. Bata has just launched an online ordering system which includes delivery, it is a partnership with such an organisation that PCK needs not WiFi hot spots. KENet has provided high speed connectivity across Universities most of which is being used for youtube viewing while next door the most profitable business is the photocopying of books at a cost 3 times that of buying the book all because the student in Maseno or Tana River University college can not afford to come to Nairobi to buy a new or used copy of the book. Tell me that if the student had a way to order the book online and have it delivered securely that he would still opt for the photocopy because there is quality assurance by looking at the original Many people still have faith in PCK me included which is why every time I have the option when shipping in items from overseas I will use EMS. Even found out that it was cheaper to send my books from Amazon (still import physical books even though I have a kindle, but don't I say) to my sister's in the US, which is free, then onward shipping using USPS aka EMS. Mwangi, I do not theorize I actually do practice what I preach, I participate in online commerce which is why I can stand on this pedestal and give my opinion and proposals to PCK having no fear or reservations to the likelihood of potshots. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2012, 14:13 Subject: Re: [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK... For some of these things the product creates the market. Its like saying how there was no market for cars in the 1800s. We dont buy online because it is not reliable, efficient or trustworthy yet. It is why we all troop to Nakumatt because there is some quality assurance. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Josphat Karanja <karanjajf@gmail.com> wrote: Robert, Is there anyone currently playing in the online delivery space, say for items purchased from Amazon? I would be interested in figures of how many people are really buying items online. Regards ........................................................... Josphat Karanja, Blog: http://mawazoyamkenya.blogspot.com/ On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi Walu, Thanks, nonetheless, for the belated lobbying with the ideas being put forth by the new PMG I might be coming back for more lobbying. More importantly is the issue you have raised about degrees for a degrees sake and I made it clear to PS Ndemo at the height of my lobbying that I would not go and get a US$ 1,500/- online degree just to meet a flawed requirement. Sometimes what you need is passion (Hon. Kajwang raised the issue of a "passionometer") and a clear understanding of the problem and a grasp of the ideal solution. Installing WiFi connectivity and offering it at Kes. 150/= per month will never get PCK out of the situation it currently is in now, the silence on this comment is a clear indication that very few of us actually read the article. I would like to believe that the WiFi was to only access e-gov and local content other wise at those charges he would not be able to cover the cost of international bandwidth let alone the backbone infrastructure to Internet the various post offices. He would rather be thinking of having an e-commerce platform where you could order items online (a blank CD in Nairobi is 15/- in Thika it is 25/-), pay using PostaPay/PesaPay/mPesa and have them delivered by EMS or PostMail, that is the thinking expected of someone at the helm of PCK today and not one who believes that PCK is only about letter. So if the WiFi system had 1 million users of which 20% bought online, from a locally situated store, two item every month weighing less than five KG (that is the smallest chargeable unit) for which they paid 250/- each for delivery that would result in a revenue of 1,200,000,000/- (1.2 Billion). This solution can be implemented today without having to spend 1.2 Billion in CapEx just use the Safaricom cloud to host the sites and spend 150 Million in media advertising and 50 Million in printing direct marketing materials to be inserted in the post office boxes (no stamp cost required). If the board and management of PCK are truly interested in revamping the corporation I can put together a consortium of local developers a Pasha loan from KICTB and free hosting from Safaricom (yet to discuss with them but this post should have them salivating to jump on board) to implement the e-commerce solution proposed above all in exchange for a small revenue share arrangement. There PMG free advice from the person who believes he deserved the job if it was based on the results of a passionometer. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 18:28 Subject: [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK... Just read from todays Nation http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University. Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out. I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote " Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University. I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview? Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-) walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Robert, I think we are getting caught up in the technology and ignoring human behavior. PCK is a victim of this even at one time vsat dishes at its post offices to offer internet connectivity like a cyber kiosk. Needless to say its not making them much money now. There are many e-commerce sites around and they try hard to localize the service. Mama mikes is the only one that I know of that has been consistent in their reliability and customer service. What happened to the others? Like the South African one selling computers and accessories? Maybe the business model wasn't sound for many of the failed enterprises but there is something to be said about trust and quality assurance. You do not expect to see a rat scurry along at the Hilton restaurant. The same cannot be expected at Burma market. Both are in the food business, different clientele. A student photocopying a book does it because it is affordable. I am yet to see a pirated book more expensive than an original. I don't know about your business but I have had equipment shipped to me from the US. I used USPS-posta and it was as reliable as anyone else. Is it really PCKs fault that merchants are not getting the trust they need from the clients? On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:11 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Mwangi,
Ask PCK what is the volume of shipments they handle from Amazon and eBay then you will realise that you are one of very few people who still believe that they need to hold an item in their hands before buying.
Experience and recommendations is what gives the belief that at a supermarket there is an assurance of quality yet for many years Nakumatt was believed to offer low quality products but when Uchumi faltered and people who would never be seen dead in Nakumatt tried the chain and many got hooked and never left.
I will repeat what I have said before, Nairobi is not Kenya, just because we have a choice of which supermarket to shop at does not make it a national norm or a basic human right. Note my mention of the cost of a CD in Thika (50 KM from Nairobi) and in Nairobi.
I sell conference recordings on DVD and people have ordered them online from as far off as Garsen so I wonder which people are you referring to who believe will not shop online if the facility was available.
Bata has just launched an online ordering system which includes delivery, it is a partnership with such an organisation that PCK needs not WiFi hot spots.
KENet has provided high speed connectivity across Universities most of which is being used for youtube viewing while next door the most profitable business is the photocopying of books at a cost 3 times that of buying the book all because the student in Maseno or Tana River University college can not afford to come to Nairobi to buy a new or used copy of the book.
Tell me that if the student had a way to order the book online and have it delivered securely that he would still opt for the photocopy because there is quality assurance by looking at the original
Many people still have faith in PCK me included which is why every time I have the option when shipping in items from overseas I will use EMS. Even found out that it was cheaper to send my books from Amazon (still import physical books even though I have a kindle, but don't I say) to my sister's in the US, which is free, then onward shipping using USPS aka EMS.
Mwangi, I do not theorize I actually do practice what I preach, I participate in online commerce which is why I can stand on this pedestal and give my opinion and proposals to PCK having no fear or reservations to the likelihood of potshots.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 30 August 2012, 14:13 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK...
For some of these things the product creates the market. Its like saying how there was no market for cars in the 1800s. We dont buy online because it is not reliable, efficient or trustworthy yet. It is why we all troop to Nakumatt because there is some quality assurance.
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Josphat Karanja <karanjajf@gmail.com>wrote:
Robert,
Is there anyone currently playing in the online delivery space, say for items purchased from Amazon?
I would be interested in figures of how many people are really buying items online.
Regards ........................................................... Josphat Karanja, * * *Blog: *http://mawazoyamkenya.blogspot.com/
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi Walu,
Thanks, nonetheless, for the belated lobbying with the ideas being put forth by the new PMG I might be coming back for more lobbying.
More importantly is the issue you have raised about degrees for a degrees sake and I made it clear to PS Ndemo at the height of my lobbying that I would not go and get a US$ 1,500/- online degree just to meet a flawed requirement. Sometimes what you need is passion (Hon. Kajwang raised the issue of a "passionometer") and a clear understanding of the problem and a grasp of the ideal solution.
Installing WiFi connectivity and offering it at Kes. 150/= per month will never get PCK out of the situation it currently is in now, the silence on this comment is a clear indication that very few of us actually read the article.
I would like to believe that the WiFi was to only access e-gov and local content other wise at those charges he would not be able to cover the cost of international bandwidth let alone the backbone infrastructure to Internet the various post offices.
He would rather be thinking of having an e-commerce platform where you could order items online (a blank CD in Nairobi is 15/- in Thika it is 25/-), pay using PostaPay/PesaPay/mPesa and have them delivered by EMS or PostMail, that is the thinking expected of someone at the helm of PCK today and not one who believes that PCK is only about letter.
So if the WiFi system had 1 million users of which 20% bought online, from a locally situated store, two item every month weighing less than five KG (that is the smallest chargeable unit) for which they paid 250/- each for delivery that would result in a revenue of 1,200,000,000/- (1.2 Billion).
This solution can be implemented today without having to spend 1.2 Billion in CapEx just use the Safaricom cloud to host the sites and spend 150 Million in media advertising and 50 Million in printing direct marketing materials to be inserted in the post office boxes (no stamp cost required).
If the board and management of PCK are truly interested in revamping the corporation I can put together a consortium of local developers a Pasha loan from KICTB and free hosting from Safaricom (yet to discuss with them but this post should have them salivating to jump on board) to implement the e-commerce solution proposed above all in exchange for a small revenue share arrangement.
There PMG free advice from the person who believes he deserved the job if it was based on the results of a passionometer.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 18:28 *Subject:* [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK...
Just read from todays Nation *http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb *that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University.
Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out.
I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University
It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote
" Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University.
I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview?
Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-)
walu.
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Josphat It would indeed be interesting to have figures on online buyers I know just a handful of guys who occasionally buy from Ebay, Amazon, etc, but I know for a fact their parcels were NOT delivered through any PCK service. While we are NOT looking for cheap WiFi, we know e-commerce demands reliable delivery services. PCK is better off enticing Wazi WiFi (I wonder how that one is doing) to include post offices and use the 1.2Billion to improve their core business, delivery of letter and small parcels. As I write this, I have just received an invite to go defend my my tender bid in Western Kenya on 27th August 2012. The letter was posted on 21st! My point here is that, people still write letters and use PCK. Since it is not very often, they can use the 1.2B to introduce an SMS alert that I would be happy to subscribe to just to know that I have mail. They would be talking to their existing customers and not hope that some cheap WiFi seeker will go browse at the Post Office. I wonder if PCK will replace the letterboxes with WiFi Cyber Café's? If I am not going to the post office to collect/post letters, why else would I go there? PMG might fail even before the gazetting. Be wise and hire Bobby -- Warm Regards Okinyo F On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Josphat Karanja <karanjajf@gmail.com>wrote:
Robert,
Is there anyone currently playing in the online delivery space, say for items purchased from Amazon?
I would be interested in figures of how many people are really buying items online.
Regards ........................................................... Josphat Karanja, * * *Blog: *http://mawazoyamkenya.blogspot.com/
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi Walu,
Thanks, nonetheless, for the belated lobbying with the ideas being put forth by the new PMG I might be coming back for more lobbying.
More importantly is the issue you have raised about degrees for a degrees sake and I made it clear to PS Ndemo at the height of my lobbying that I would not go and get a US$ 1,500/- online degree just to meet a flawed requirement. Sometimes what you need is passion (Hon. Kajwang raised the issue of a "passionometer") and a clear understanding of the problem and a grasp of the ideal solution.
Installing WiFi connectivity and offering it at Kes. 150/= per month will never get PCK out of the situation it currently is in now, the silence on this comment is a clear indication that very few of us actually read the article.
I would like to believe that the WiFi was to only access e-gov and local content other wise at those charges he would not be able to cover the cost of international bandwidth let alone the backbone infrastructure to Internet the various post offices.
He would rather be thinking of having an e-commerce platform where you could order items online (a blank CD in Nairobi is 15/- in Thika it is 25/-), pay using PostaPay/PesaPay/mPesa and have them delivered by EMS or PostMail, that is the thinking expected of someone at the helm of PCK today and not one who believes that PCK is only about letter.
So if the WiFi system had 1 million users of which 20% bought online, from a locally situated store, two item every month weighing less than five KG (that is the smallest chargeable unit) for which they paid 250/- each for delivery that would result in a revenue of 1,200,000,000/- (1.2 Billion).
This solution can be implemented today without having to spend 1.2 Billion in CapEx just use the Safaricom cloud to host the sites and spend 150 Million in media advertising and 50 Million in printing direct marketing materials to be inserted in the post office boxes (no stamp cost required).
If the board and management of PCK are truly interested in revamping the corporation I can put together a consortium of local developers a Pasha loan from KICTB and free hosting from Safaricom (yet to discuss with them but this post should have them salivating to jump on board) to implement the e-commerce solution proposed above all in exchange for a small revenue share arrangement.
There PMG free advice from the person who believes he deserved the job if it was based on the results of a passionometer.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 18:28 *Subject:* [kictanet] of online degrees + PCK...
Just read from todays Nation *http://tinyurl.com/97z64zb *that the new Postmaster General holds a doctorate from http://www.washint.edu/en/ - Washington International University, a Cyberspace University.
Whereas I have nothing against online education - having benefited from one - I just thought that I could share some advice. If you want to do an online program, do it from a PHYSICAL university that has an Online/Distance Learning division. In other words, the university should physically exist. Similar to if you want to do Online banking, better do it from an existing bank (e.g. Equity, Barclays, KCB, etc) who have an online division. That way you are likely to get your quality and credibility issues sorted out.
I know Wikipedia is not very authoritative but it is always a good place to go to after asking Google. And so I did and this is what Wikipeidia said about Washington International University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University
It even claims in its list of graduates and I quote
" Asman Kamama Abongotum; Kenya's Deputy Minister for Education. He could lose his parliamentary position because of the unrecognized degree" Actually our Commission of Higher Education seems to have a problem with this University.
I know the PCK board - that includes our PS Ndemo - may have seen this but argued rightfully that one may NOT need a PhD to ran a simple Postal Service in some developing economy. In which case, our self-nominated candidate, Bobby Yawe should have been called for the interview?
Just thinking loudly and hope Kibunja and his friends (the mboys in mblue) dont come for me claiming this is hate speech - because I think its a mixture of advice and belated lobbying :-)
walu.
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Ali Hussein -
Francis Okinyo -
James Kariuki -
Josphat Karanja -
Kivuva -
Lucy Kimani -
Mark Mwangi -
robert yawe -
Walubengo J