Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. -------------------------------------- A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion. Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here <http://A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion. Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays.> -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F
Listers, It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project. I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process. My two cents On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. --------------------------------------
A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health.
Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here
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And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function? On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. --------------------------------------
A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health.
Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here
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Apologies. Via Daily Nation https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Sh4-7-billion-health-data-technology-in-limbo/... Il lunedì 25 giugno 2018, Peter Wakaba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> ha scritto:
And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. --------------------------------------
A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health.
Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here
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Good evening, Health Policy is national but implementation of Health Services is devolved Regards, Alex From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> On Behalf Of Peter Wakaba via kictanet Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 16:41 To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function? On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: Listers, It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project. I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process. My two cents On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. -------------------------------------- A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion. Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke <http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke <http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/peterwakaba%40gmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- *Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up, It knows it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed. Every morning a lion wakes up, it knows it must outrun the slowest gazelle or it will starve to death. It doesn't matter whether you are a gazelle or a lion. When the sun comes up, you better start running. - In "The World is Flat" by Thomas L. Friedman.*
Implementation of the health function is still progressive. As of today, devolved units largely do primary health care, the rest is still national government. Equally, the national government is in charge of four hospitals: Moi and Kenyatta referral hospitals, Spine hospital in hurligham and Mathare mental hospital. On Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 19:25 Alex Watila via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Good evening,
Health Policy is national but implementation of Health Services is devolved
Regards,
Alex
*From:* kictanet <kictanet-bounces+awatila= yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *On Behalf Of *Peter Wakaba via kictanet *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2018 16:41 *To:* awatila@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. --------------------------------------
A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health.
Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays.
Read on here
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To add on to this discussion:- 1. How does a project of this magnitude that involves both the central government and counties go through without the senate being involved? 2. Zero policy framework on the Portability of data and Accountability of the different players in the health sector regarding the security and sharing of sensitive personal health data, usage of the same for health policy development etc. 3. There is a serious need to share data on healthcare but without a framework from soft and hard issues (from a technical interoperability perspective to basic customer service point view) what we will have is pedestrian execution and supply side driven procurement as opposed to real need. For example in a cloud computing world why the heck do we need data centers? The current data centers in the country are under utilized, NOFBI remains largely dark fiber and yet someone has approved the procurement of more servers.. 4. There needs to be a holistic view of healthcare that covers the whole Healthcare sector. As a country that is touted as a leader in tech across Africa we fall far short of Rwanda in the Portability and Accountability aspect of Healthcare data. See the link below from a discussion last week that I had on LinkedIn regarding this very subject and see how emotive the issue can be. https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6414664588985536512 5. Here’s a link to a discussion on HIPAA (The US’ Healthcare Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) which Kenya can actually borrow from. I challenge the leaders in Government on this list to collaborate with us to lead policy in this very important matter. https://searchhealthit.techtarget.com/definition/HIPAA 6. Lastly, when important matters like health are left to the vagaries of the ‘free market’ this is what we get. Ali Hussein Principal AHK & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
On 25 Jun 2018, at 7:23 PM, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Good evening, Health Policy is national but implementation of Health Services is devolved
Regards,
Alex
From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> On Behalf Of Peter Wakaba via kictanet Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 16:41 To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. -------------------------------------- A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here
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Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute. In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030 <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxzK_5_pfWAhVEXRQKHW0CDfMQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublications.universalhealth2030.org%2Fref%2Fd6e32af10e5c515876d34f801774aa9a&usg=AFQjCNHtt1vGOai9uOmg6Z1ztEaXZixZ2w>provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals. It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system. It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery. However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. --------------------------------------
A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health.
Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here
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According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead. On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive! Adam From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of David Indeje via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Cc: David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute. In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxzK_5_pfWAhVEXRQKHW0CDfMQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublications.universalhealth2030.org%2Fref%2Fd6e32af10e5c515876d34f801774aa9a&usg=AFQjCNHtt1vGOai9uOmg6Z1ztEaXZixZ2w>provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals. It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system. It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery. However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function? On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project. I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process. My two cents On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. -------------------------------------- A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion. Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke<http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail... 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Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke<http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/peterwakaba%40gmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- *Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up, It knows it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed. Every morning a lion wakes up, it knows it must outrun the slowest gazelle or it will starve to death. It doesn't matter whether you are a gazelle or a lion. When the sun comes up, you better start running. - In "The World is Flat" by Thomas L. Friedman.* _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke<http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/davidindeje%40gmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Dear Listers, I would be hesitant to blindly blame HCIT Implementor on this project delivery saga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media. James Muritu, ICT Consultant, Program Director, Fintechprenuer On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead.
On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive!
Adam
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane=huawei.com@lists. kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *David Indeje via kictanet *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM *To:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> *Cc:* David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute.
In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030 <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxzK_5_pfWAhVEXRQKHW0CDfMQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublications.universalhealth2030.org%2Fref%2Fd6e32af10e5c515876d34f801774aa9a&usg=AFQjCNHtt1vGOai9uOmg6Z1ztEaXZixZ2w>provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals.
It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system.
It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery.
However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions.
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. --------------------------------------
A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health.
Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays.
Read on here
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Hi James Just to clarify, I’m not blaming anyone or commenting on any implementor, just sharing the business daily article as it is pertinent to the previous conversation, and also sharing my opinion on the KNH tender document itself. Adam From: James Muritu [mailto:james.muritu@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:59 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Dear Listers, I would be hesitant to blindly blame HCIT Implementor on this project delivery saga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media. James Muritu, ICT Consultant, Program Director, Fintechprenuer On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead. On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive! Adam From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane<mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Badam.lane>=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of David Indeje via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com<mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com>> Cc: David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com<mailto:davidindeje@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute. In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxzK_5_pfWAhVEXRQKHW0CDfMQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublications.universalhealth2030.org%2Fref%2Fd6e32af10e5c515876d34f801774aa9a&usg=AFQjCNHtt1vGOai9uOmg6Z1ztEaXZixZ2w>provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals. It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system. It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery. However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function? On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project. I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process. My two cents On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. -------------------------------------- A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion. Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke<http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail... 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Honestly guys I think this whole conversation is missing the point. Does the country need more Data Centres? I bet you between Angani, Node Africa, Safaricom and East Africa Data Centre we can house ALL the data we have. And then some. I challenge ANYONE to contradict me with numbers. What is the current capacity visavis usage? Anyone has those numbers? What is more urgent? Policy driven reform of the health sector? Health Information and Portability legislation or more Hardware? Let us be serious as a country and stop this rubbish of Procurement Driven G2C Services as opposed to Service Driven. We are mortgaging this country for nonsensical projects. Ali Hussein Principal AHK & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:02 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi James Just to clarify, I’m not blaming anyone or commenting on any implementor, just sharing the business daily article as it is pertinent to the previous conversation, and also sharing my opinion on the KNH tender document itself. Adam
From: James Muritu [mailto:james.muritu@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:59 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Dear Listers,
I would be hesitant to blindly blame HCIT Implementor on this project delivery saga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media.
James Muritu, ICT Consultant, Program Director, Fintechprenuer
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead.
On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive!
Adam
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of David Indeje via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Cc: David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute.
In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals.
It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system.
It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery.
However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions.
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. -------------------------------------- A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here
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Hi Ali I'm not sure I can comment on the data centre specifically, but I believe the project is much more than that. It is about the medical records software, servers and connectivity at the 98 hospitals so they can send radiology images to be viewed remotely (at KNH). The data centre at KNH would be to store images there and provide remote diagnosis. Adam From:Ali Hussein To:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc:Adam Lane Date:2018-07-04 10:34:10 Subject:Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Honestly guys I think this whole conversation is missing the point. Does the country need more Data Centres? I bet you between Angani, Node Africa, Safaricom and East Africa Data Centre we can house ALL the data we have. And then some. I challenge ANYONE to contradict me with numbers. What is the current capacity visavis usage? Anyone has those numbers? What is more urgent? Policy driven reform of the health sector? Health Information and Portability legislation or more Hardware? Let us be serious as a country and stop this rubbish of Procurement Driven G2C Services as opposed to Service Driven. We are mortgaging this country for nonsensical projects. Ali Hussein Principal AHK & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:02 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hi James Just to clarify, I’m not blaming anyone or commenting on any implementor, just sharing the business daily article as it is pertinent to the previous conversation, and also sharing my opinion on the KNH tender document itself. Adam From: James Muritu [mailto:james.muritu@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:59 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Cc: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com<mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Dear Listers, I would be hesitant to blindly blame HCIT Implementor on this project delivery saga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media. James Muritu, ICT Consultant, Program Director, Fintechprenuer On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead. On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive! Adam From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane<mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Badam.lane>=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of David Indeje via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com<mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com>> Cc: David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com<mailto:davidindeje@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute. In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxzK_5_pfWAhVEXRQKHW0CDfMQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublications.universalhealth2030.org%2Fref%2Fd6e32af10e5c515876d34f801774aa9a&usg=AFQjCNHtt1vGOai9uOmg6Z1ztEaXZixZ2w>provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals. It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system. It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery. However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function? On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project. I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process. My two cents On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. -------------------------------------- A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion. Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke<http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail... 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Adam Don't lose my point. It is super important. Under what law or regulation are we going to move around sensitive health data? This country needs to do a refresh and reboot and stop Procurement Driven tenders. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi Ali
I'm not sure I can comment on the data centre specifically, but I believe the project is much more than that. It is about the medical records software, servers and connectivity at the 98 hospitals so they can send radiology images to be viewed remotely (at KNH). The data centre at KNH would be to store images there and provide remote diagnosis.
Adam *From:*Ali Hussein *To:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Cc:*Adam Lane *Date:*2018-07-04 10:34:10 *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Honestly guys I think this whole conversation is missing the point.
Does the country need more Data Centres? I bet you between Angani, Node Africa, Safaricom and East Africa Data Centre we can house ALL the data we have. And then some. I challenge ANYONE to contradict me with numbers.
What is the current capacity visavis usage?
Anyone has those numbers?
What is more urgent? Policy driven reform of the health sector? Health Information and Portability legislation or more Hardware?
Let us be serious as a country and stop this rubbish of Procurement Driven G2C Services as opposed to Service Driven. We are mortgaging this country for nonsensical projects.
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On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:02 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi James
Just to clarify, I’m not blaming anyone or commenting on any implementor, just sharing the business daily article as it is pertinent to the previous conversation, and also sharing my opinion on the KNH tender document itself.
Adam
*From:* James Muritu [mailto:james.muritu@gmail.com <james.muritu@gmail.com>] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:59 AM *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Dear Listers,
I would be hesitant to blindly blame HCIT Implementor on this project delivery saga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media.
James Muritu,
ICT Consultant, Program Director, Fintechprenuer
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead.
On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive!
Adam
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane=huawei.com@lists. kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *David Indeje via kictanet *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM *To:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> *Cc:* David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute.
In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030 <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxzK_5_pfWAhVEXRQKHW0CDfMQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublications.universalhealth2030.org%2Fref%2Fd6e32af10e5c515876d34f801774aa9a&usg=AFQjCNHtt1vGOai9uOmg6Z1ztEaXZixZ2w>provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals.
It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system.
It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery.
However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions.
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. --------------------------------------
A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health.
Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays.
Read on here
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I think any data including health data can be hosted in a cloud. And data interoperability is obviously a positive thing. However my concern is that this will be happening in the absence of a data protection framework. Health data is sensitive and may require informed consent of the data subject. What I am saying is that this debate is bigger. Best regards Githaiga, Grace On Wednesday, 04-07-2018 at 11:23 Ali Hussein via kictanet wrote: Adam Don't lose my point. It is super important. Under what law or regulation are we going to move around sensitive health data? This country needs to do a refresh and reboot and stop Procurement Driven tenders. AliHussein Principal AHK & Associates Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Adam Lane wrote: Hi Ali I'm not sure I can comment on the data centre specifically, but I believe the project is much more than that. It is about the medical records software, servers and connectivity at the 98 hospitals so they can send radiology images to be viewed remotely (at KNH). The data centre at KNH would be to store images there and provide remote diagnosis. Adam From:Ali Hussein To:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc:Adam Lane Date:2018-07-04 10:34:10 Subject:Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Honestly guys I think this whole conversation is missing the point. Does the country need more Data Centres? I bet you between Angani, Node Africa, Safaricom and East Africa Data Centre we can house ALL the data we have. And then some. I challenge ANYONE to contradict me with numbers. What is the current capacity visavis usage? Anyone has those numbers? What is more urgent?Policy driven reform of the health sector? Health Information and Portability legislation or more Hardware? Let us be serious as a country and stop this rubbish of Procurement Driven G2C Services as opposed to Service Driven. We are mortgaging this country for nonsensical projects. Ali Hussein Principal AHK & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn:http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:02 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet wrote: Hi James Just to clarify, I’m not blaming anyone or commenting on any implementor, just sharing the business daily article as it is pertinent to the previous conversation, and also sharing my opinion on the KNH tender document itself. Adam From: James Muritu [mailto:james.muritu@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:59 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Adam Lane Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Dear Listers, I would be hesitant to blindly blameHCIT Implementoron this project deliverysaga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media. James Muritu, ICT Consultant, Program Director, Fintechprenuer On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet wrote: According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead. On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive! Adam From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke]On Behalf Of David Indeje via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM To: Adam Lane Cc: David Indeje Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute. In the devolved government, theKenya Health Policy 2014-2030provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals. It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system. It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery. However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, wrote: And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function? On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet wrote: Listers, It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project. I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process. My two cents On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet wrote: Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. -------------------------------------- A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion. Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID :0x33A3450F _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail... 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Indeed Grace. We must have a bigger conversation beyond this Tenderpreneuring. Regards Ali Hussein +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 4 Jul 2018, at 11:38 AM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think any data including health data can be hosted in a cloud. And data interoperability is obviously a positive thing. However my concern is that this will be happening in the absence of a data protection framework. Health data is sensitive and may require informed consent of the data subject. What I am saying is that this debate is bigger.
Best regards
Githaiga, Grace
On Wednesday, 04-07-2018 at 11:23 Ali Hussein via kictanet wrote: Adam
Don't lose my point. It is super important. Under what law or regulation are we going to move around sensitive health data? This country needs to do a refresh and reboot and stop Procurement Driven tenders.
AliHussein
Principal
AHK & Associates
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi Ali
I'm not sure I can comment on the data centre specifically, but I believe the project is much more than that. It is about the medical records software, servers and connectivity at the 98 hospitals so they can send radiology images to be viewed remotely (at KNH). The data centre at KNH would be to store images there and provide remote diagnosis.
Adam
From:Ali Hussein
To:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Cc:Adam Lane
Date:2018-07-04 10:34:10
Subject:Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Honestly guys I think this whole conversation is missing the point.
Does the country need more Data Centres? I bet you between Angani, Node Africa, Safaricom and East Africa Data Centre we can house ALL the data we have. And then some. I challenge ANYONE to contradict me with numbers.
What is the current capacity visavis usage?
Anyone has those numbers?
What is more urgent?Policy driven reform of the health sector? Health Information and Portability legislation or more Hardware?
Let us be serious as a country and stop this rubbish of Procurement Driven G2C Services as opposed to Service Driven. We are mortgaging this country for nonsensical projects.
Ali Hussein
Principal
AHK & Associates
+254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn:http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~Aristotle
Sent from my iPad
On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:02 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi James
Just to clarify, I’m not blaming anyone or commenting on any implementor, just sharing the business daily article as it is pertinent to the previous conversation, and also sharing my opinion on the KNH tender document itself.
Adam
From: James Muritu [mailto:james.muritu@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:59 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Dear Listers,
I would be hesitant to blindly blameHCIT Implementoron this project deliverysaga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media.
James Muritu,
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On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead.
On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive!
Adam
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke]On Behalf Of David Indeje via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Cc: David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute.
In the devolved government, theKenya Health Policy 2014-2030provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals.
It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system.
It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery.
However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions.
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. --------------------------------------
A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health.
Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays.
Read on here
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Ali Aside from the data center hardware issue, you are right that the regulations are indeed very important. There needs to be clarity on who owns, controls, accesses, gives permission and uses what data and in what circumstances and for what purpose.. from the patients to local doctors to remote doctors to IT support staff to medical equipment management staff and beyond. I fully agree. Adam From: Ali Hussein [mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 11:23 AM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Adam Don't lose my point. It is super important. Under what law or regulation are we going to move around sensitive health data? This country needs to do a refresh and reboot and stop Procurement Driven tenders. Ali Hussein Principal AHK & Associates Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com<mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com>> wrote: Hi Ali I'm not sure I can comment on the data centre specifically, but I believe the project is much more than that. It is about the medical records software, servers and connectivity at the 98 hospitals so they can send radiology images to be viewed remotely (at KNH). The data centre at KNH would be to store images there and provide remote diagnosis. Adam From:Ali Hussein To:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc:Adam Lane Date:2018-07-04 10:34:10 Subject:Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Honestly guys I think this whole conversation is missing the point. Does the country need more Data Centres? I bet you between Angani, Node Africa, Safaricom and East Africa Data Centre we can house ALL the data we have. And then some. I challenge ANYONE to contradict me with numbers. What is the current capacity visavis usage? Anyone has those numbers? What is more urgent? Policy driven reform of the health sector? Health Information and Portability legislation or more Hardware? Let us be serious as a country and stop this rubbish of Procurement Driven G2C Services as opposed to Service Driven. We are mortgaging this country for nonsensical projects. Ali Hussein Principal AHK & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:02 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hi James Just to clarify, I’m not blaming anyone or commenting on any implementor, just sharing the business daily article as it is pertinent to the previous conversation, and also sharing my opinion on the KNH tender document itself. Adam From: James Muritu [mailto:james.muritu@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:59 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Cc: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com<mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Dear Listers, I would be hesitant to blindly blame HCIT Implementor on this project delivery saga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media. James Muritu, ICT Consultant, Program Director, Fintechprenuer On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead. On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive! Adam From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane<mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Badam.lane>=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of David Indeje via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com<mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com>> Cc: David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com<mailto:davidindeje@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute. In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxzK_5_pfWAhVEXRQKHW0CDfMQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublications.universalhealth2030.org%2Fref%2Fd6e32af10e5c515876d34f801774aa9a&usg=AFQjCNHtt1vGOai9uOmg6Z1ztEaXZixZ2w>provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals. It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system. It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery. However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function? On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project. I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process. My two cents On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. -------------------------------------- A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion. Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke<http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail... 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Adam, You read my mind! While data interoperability is absolutely crucial in the health sector, there is need to have proper Data Governance regulations and policies. Some of the provisions that should stand out in such regulations are the consequences of misuse of such data and a proper evidence collection procedure. Guidelines on the minimum standards in healthcare data handling should also provided. The conversation should start with Kenya Medical and Dentist Board. Fiona Makaka Associate - Telecommunications, Media and Technology fmakaka@tripleoklaw.com Going Over and Above ACK Garden House, 5th Floor, Wing C First Ngong Avenue, off Bishops Road, P. O. Box 43170 - 00100, Nairobi, KE Pilot Telephone: +254 20 272 7171 Email: info@tripleoklaw.com Web: www.tripleoklaw.com This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Access by the intended recipient is authorized. 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There needs to be clarity on who owns, controls, accesses, gives permission and uses what data and in what circumstances and for what purpose.. from the patients to local doctors to remote doctors to IT support staff to medical equipment management staff and beyond. I fully agree. Adam From: Ali Hussein [mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 11:23 AM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Adam Don't lose my point. It is super important. Under what law or regulation are we going to move around sensitive health data? This country needs to do a refresh and reboot and stop Procurement Driven tenders. Ali Hussein Principal AHK & Associates Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com<mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com>> wrote: Hi Ali I'm not sure I can comment on the data centre specifically, but I believe the project is much more than that. It is about the medical records software, servers and connectivity at the 98 hospitals so they can send radiology images to be viewed remotely (at KNH). The data centre at KNH would be to store images there and provide remote diagnosis. Adam From:Ali Hussein To:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc:Adam Lane Date:2018-07-04 10:34:10 Subject:Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Honestly guys I think this whole conversation is missing the point. Does the country need more Data Centres? I bet you between Angani, Node Africa, Safaricom and East Africa Data Centre we can house ALL the data we have. And then some. I challenge ANYONE to contradict me with numbers. What is the current capacity visavis usage? Anyone has those numbers? What is more urgent? Policy driven reform of the health sector? Health Information and Portability legislation or more Hardware? Let us be serious as a country and stop this rubbish of Procurement Driven G2C Services as opposed to Service Driven. We are mortgaging this country for nonsensical projects. Ali Hussein Principal AHK & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:02 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hi James Just to clarify, I’m not blaming anyone or commenting on any implementor, just sharing the business daily article as it is pertinent to the previous conversation, and also sharing my opinion on the KNH tender document itself. Adam From: James Muritu [mailto:james.muritu@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:59 AM To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Cc: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com<mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Dear Listers, I would be hesitant to blindly blame HCIT Implementor on this project delivery saga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media. James Muritu, ICT Consultant, Program Director, Fintechprenuer On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead. On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive! Adam From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane<mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Badam.lane>=huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of David Indeje via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM To: Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com<mailto:adam.lane@huawei.com>> Cc: David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com<mailto:davidindeje@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute. In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxzK_5_pfWAhVEXRQKHW0CDfMQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublications.universalhealth2030.org%2Fref%2Fd6e32af10e5c515876d34f801774aa9a&usg=AFQjCNHtt1vGOai9uOmg6Z1ztEaXZixZ2w>provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals. It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system. It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery. However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function? On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project. I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process. My two cents On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. -------------------------------------- A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion. Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health. Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays. Read on here -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu @Bomu PGP ID : 0x33A3450F _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Domain Registration sponsored by www.eacdirectory.co.ke<http://www.eacdirectory.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail... 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James Muritu, At least the media has tried to report, and give accounts from a side they have heard. Yours on the other hand are speculations on "vested interests". Is there anybody at KNH you know that has blocked the project? On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 10:42 AM Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Ali
I'm not sure I can comment on the data centre specifically, but I believe the project is much more than that. It is about the medical records software, servers and connectivity at the 98 hospitals so they can send radiology images to be viewed remotely (at KNH). The data centre at KNH would be to store images there and provide remote diagnosis.
Adam *From:*Ali Hussein *To:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Cc:*Adam Lane *Date:*2018-07-04 10:34:10 *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Honestly guys I think this whole conversation is missing the point.
Does the country need more Data Centres? I bet you between Angani, Node Africa, Safaricom and East Africa Data Centre we can house ALL the data we have. And then some. I challenge ANYONE to contradict me with numbers.
What is the current capacity visavis usage?
Anyone has those numbers?
What is more urgent? Policy driven reform of the health sector? Health Information and Portability legislation or more Hardware?
Let us be serious as a country and stop this rubbish of Procurement Driven G2C Services as opposed to Service Driven. We are mortgaging this country for nonsensical projects.
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* +254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
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On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:02 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi James
Just to clarify, I’m not blaming anyone or commenting on any implementor, just sharing the business daily article as it is pertinent to the previous conversation, and also sharing my opinion on the KNH tender document itself.
Adam
*From:* James Muritu [mailto:james.muritu@gmail.com <james.muritu@gmail.com>] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:59 AM *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Dear Listers,
I would be hesitant to blindly blame HCIT Implementor on this project delivery saga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media.
James Muritu,
ICT Consultant, Program Director, Fintechprenuer
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead.
On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive!
Adam
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane= huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *David Indeje via kictanet *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM *To:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> *Cc:* David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute.
In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030 <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxzK_5_pfWAhVEXRQKHW0CDfMQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublications.universalhealth2030.org%2Fref%2Fd6e32af10e5c515876d34f801774aa9a&usg=AFQjCNHtt1vGOai9uOmg6Z1ztEaXZixZ2w>provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals.
It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system.
It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery.
However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions.
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. --------------------------------------
A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health.
Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays.
Read on here
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Good points Ali on using available data centers. But how will we make our Billion$$$ as tenderprenuers if we go for PaaS, SaaS, Clouds, and leasing. NB: *Platform as a Service* (*PaaS*) or *application platform as a Service* ( *aPaaS*) or platform base service is a category of cloud computing services <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#Service_models> that provides a platform <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing_platform> allowing customers to develop, run, and manage applications without the complexity of building and maintaining the infrastructure typically associated with developing and launching an app. On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 11:37 AM Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
James Muritu,
At least the media has tried to report, and give accounts from a side they have heard. Yours on the other hand are speculations on "vested interests". Is there anybody at KNH you know that has blocked the project?
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 10:42 AM Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Ali
I'm not sure I can comment on the data centre specifically, but I believe the project is much more than that. It is about the medical records software, servers and connectivity at the 98 hospitals so they can send radiology images to be viewed remotely (at KNH). The data centre at KNH would be to store images there and provide remote diagnosis.
Adam *From:*Ali Hussein *To:*KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Cc:*Adam Lane *Date:*2018-07-04 10:34:10 *Subject:*Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Honestly guys I think this whole conversation is missing the point.
Does the country need more Data Centres? I bet you between Angani, Node Africa, Safaricom and East Africa Data Centre we can house ALL the data we have. And then some. I challenge ANYONE to contradict me with numbers.
What is the current capacity visavis usage?
Anyone has those numbers?
What is more urgent? Policy driven reform of the health sector? Health Information and Portability legislation or more Hardware?
Let us be serious as a country and stop this rubbish of Procurement Driven G2C Services as opposed to Service Driven. We are mortgaging this country for nonsensical projects.
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* +254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle
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On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:02 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi James
Just to clarify, I’m not blaming anyone or commenting on any implementor, just sharing the business daily article as it is pertinent to the previous conversation, and also sharing my opinion on the KNH tender document itself.
Adam
*From:* James Muritu [mailto:james.muritu@gmail.com <james.muritu@gmail.com>] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:59 AM *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Dear Listers,
I would be hesitant to blindly blame HCIT Implementor on this project delivery saga and it's key we think beyond the parameters coming to the fore. I have seen a typical case in Kenya of the Systems Implementer being blamed whilst forgetting about other forces that might be at play behind the scenes. For one, KNH is a parastatal that would want to flex muscle vis a vis getting orders from MOH. Secondly, there could be a case of vested interests, as typical with a myriad of public sector projects in Kenya. Let's think beyond what's being propagated out there by the media.
James Muritu,
ICT Consultant, Program Director, Fintechprenuer
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Adam Lane via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
According to Business Daily today, it is because of this HCIT project that KNH cancelled their recent IT tender, even though it is not clear that the HCIT project is going ahead.
On another note the KNH tender document was almost impossible for anyone to deliver on, was too ambitious and almost unachievable. If such a system could do everything they wanted it would arguably be very (too) expensive!
Adam
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+adam.lane= huawei.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *David Indeje via kictanet *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:02 PM *To:* Adam Lane <adam.lane@huawei.com> *Cc:* David Indeje <davidindeje@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Sh4.7 billion health data technology in limbo
Health care is a devolved function in Kenya. However, certain health service remain the role of the national government and these include; health policy, financing, national referral hospitals, quality assurance and standards, health information, communication and technology, national public health laboratories, public-private partnerships, monitoring and evaluation, planning and budgeting for national health service and maintenance of services provided by Kenya Medical Supplies Agency, National hospital Insurance Fund, Kenya Medical Training College and Kenya Medical Research Institute.
In the devolved government, the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030 <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxzK_5_pfWAhVEXRQKHW0CDfMQFgguMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublications.universalhealth2030.org%2Fref%2Fd6e32af10e5c515876d34f801774aa9a&usg=AFQjCNHtt1vGOai9uOmg6Z1ztEaXZixZ2w>provides guidance to the health sector in terms of identifying and outlining the requisite activities in achieving the government’s health goals.
It provides an institutional framework and structure that specifies the new institutional and management arrangements required under the devolved system.
It also acknowledges the need for new governance and management arrangements at both levels of government and outlines governance objectives as delivery of efficient, cost effective and equitable health services, devolution of health service delivery, administration and management to the community level, stakeholder participation and accountability in health service delivery.
However, it has proven difficult to smoothly devolve these functions.
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 4:41 pm Peter Wakaba via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
And isn't health supposed to be a devolved function?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
It would be interesting for us to understand this project. In light of the fact that we have NOFBI in place what are the components of this project? i also think the project requires a data protection framework since it will be dealing with Health information which is really personal. My question is has the ministry of ICT or ICTA been involved in any way to shed some light on the project.
I don't think this kind of project should just be left to the Ministry of Health, no wonder based on the article the contractor is facing many challenges that should have been taken care of during the System Analysis and Design process.
My two cents
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Grace Bomu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Trending story that raises among other questions: health data without data protection laws; the status and utility of NOFBI and of course, public spending. --------------------------------------
A local IT firm is on the spot over delayed implementation of the country’s Healthcare Information Technology system, 10 months after it was awarded the contract at a cost of Sh4.7billion.
Seven Seas Technologies is unable to explain their inability to complete a multi-billion shilling project that sought to centralise data centre at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) to senior officials at the Ministry of Health.
Senior ministry officials have downplayed the matter, although medics at the radiology department decry work inefficiencies occasioned by system installation delays.
Read on here
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