Digital TV migration postponement
Hi, It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital. He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-. When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using? What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth. Regards PS. Have an analog Christmas Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Robert, Your correction is incorrect. The dg didn't lie. Those Gotv and star times services are commercial. They come with a subscription fee. The decoders for free to air viewers, i.e Signet signal which has all the current tv channels, are going for the price the dg said- 6,500. I bought one 2weeks ago. They are not even available easily. Don't blame the dg or the press (surely, journalists don't walk to press conferences with a shopping list of everything and anything). You will also have noticed that the digital signal is yet to reach most parts of the country. Very frustrating. Regards, David Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:18:14 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Reply-To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hi David, The statics are that about 120,000 DVB 2 decoders have been sold in the local market, Startimes has sold 40,000 units, GoTV about 60,000 which leave the balance of 20,000 sold by the free to air vendors, lets do the math (2,999/=+3,999/-+6,500/-)/2 = 4,499/- still a far cry away from the 6.500/- that you and the DG would like us to believe is the cost of a decoder. Startimes is in over 12 major towns in the country which means a reach of 60% of the population with electricity therefore again the DG is being conservative with the truth. The reality is that the Media Owners Association which the Minister had indicated will not be getting a transmission license have finally done the Kenyan thing to get the issue revisited. Regards PS. Any guns for hire trying to call me please be advised that I have installed a recording device in my phone. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "dmakali@yahoo.com" <dmakali@yahoo.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 18:13 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Robert, Your correction is incorrect. The dg didn't lie. Those Gotv and star times services are commercial. They come with a subscription fee. The decoders for free to air viewers, i.e Signet signal which has all the current tv channels, are going for the price the dg said- 6,500. I bought one 2weeks ago. They are not even available easily. Don't blame the dg or the press (surely, journalists don't walk to press conferences with a shopping list of everything and anything). You will also have noticed that the digital signal is yet to reach most parts of the country. Very frustrating. Regards, David Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:18:14 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Reply-To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Yawe, I could have missed some detail on this but do help me understand better if you can: 1. How many, and who are the licensed distributors of the top boxes in Kenya 2. How do the prices charged by the current provider comparable to providers in other countries, e.g. India (who switched to digital a few days ago with top boxes costing average $20) 3. Are the top boxes tax exempt? Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:18 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Hi, It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital. He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-. When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using? What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth. Regards PS. Have an analog Christmas Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
This is made worse by wondering what happened to the plan to locally assemble the damn things. This was taken up by the University of Nairobi Fab Lab and that story died just like that. We want local innovation but we don't bother with local companies doing simple things. Assembling set top boxes should be hard. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com>wrote:
Yawe,****
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I could have missed some detail on this but do help me understand better if you can:****
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**1. **How many, and who are the licensed distributors of the top boxes in Kenya****
**2. **How do the prices charged by the current provider comparable to providers in other countries, e.g. India (who switched to digital a few days ago with top boxes costing average $20)****
**3. **Are the top boxes tax exempt?****
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Regards,****
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Edwin****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari= lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *robert yawe *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:18 PM *To:* Edwin
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement****
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Hi,****
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It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.****
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He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.****
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When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?****
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What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.****
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Regards****
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PS. Have an analog Christmas****
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****
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya****
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696****
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Therefore then, was the DG's quote of $ 76 (KES 6,500) accurate/justifiable? (assuming he picked the higher side of the price regime). If we had to manufacture these gadgets locally, how much would they have cost; how long will it have taken to have a 'working' prototype in the mart?..and assuming that there is need to promote local assembly, would have the net returns justified the higher/lower price tag?...may be the DG needs to detail wholesome the drive behind his postponing the roll-out for all to internalize.just my view J Kind Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:06 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement This is made worse by wondering what happened to the plan to locally assemble the damn things. This was taken up by the University of Nairobi Fab Lab and that story died just like that. We want local innovation but we don't bother with local companies doing simple things. Assembling set top boxes should be hard. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote: Yawe, I could have missed some detail on this but do help me understand better if you can: 1. How many, and who are the licensed distributors of the top boxes in Kenya 2. How do the prices charged by the current provider comparable to providers in other countries, e.g. India (who switched to digital a few days ago with top boxes costing average $20) 3. Are the top boxes tax exempt? Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari> =lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:18 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Hi, It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital. He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-. When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using? What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth. Regards PS. Have an analog Christmas Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225 <tel:%2B254722511225> , +254202010696 <tel:%2B254202010696> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards, Mark Mwangi markmwangi.me.ke
Listers, A few months ago I questioned the government's ambitious plan, and promise that the digital switchover would be complete by July 2012. Then the Ministry of Information and Communications PS Dr Bitange Ndemo was adamant, and quoted Malcolm X saying that that would happen by 'any means necessary'. That said, I find the reason, nay excuse, that the postponement is due to the cost of the set-top boxes laughable. I think the government and the CCK needs to tell us more, and give us the real reasons for the postponement. George Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00 Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58 george@afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join us at AFRINIC-17 for our Public Policy Meeting in Khartoum, Sudan, on 24 – 29 November 2012 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Oct 31, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Edwin Onchari wrote:
Therefore then, was the DG’s quote of $ 76 (KES 6,500) accurate/justifiable? (assuming he picked the higher side of the price regime). If we had to manufacture these gadgets locally, how much would they have cost; how long will it have taken to have a ‘working’ prototype in the mart?..and assuming that there is need to promote local assembly, would have the net returns justified the higher/lower price tag?...may be the DG needs to detail wholesome the drive behind his postponing the roll-out for all to internalize…just my view J
Kind Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:06 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement
This is made worse by wondering what happened to the plan to locally assemble the damn things. This was taken up by the University of Nairobi Fab Lab and that story died just like that.
We want local innovation but we don't bother with local companies doing simple things. Assembling set top boxes should be hard.
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote: Yawe,
I could have missed some detail on this but do help me understand better if you can:
1. How many, and who are the licensed distributors of the top boxes in Kenya
2. How do the prices charged by the current provider comparable to providers in other countries, e.g. India (who switched to digital a few days ago with top boxes costing average $20)
3. Are the top boxes tax exempt?
Regards,
Edwin
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:18 PM To: Edwin
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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unfortunately consumers will need either a set top box or a tv capable of receiving the digital transmission. There is simply no way around it if this migration will be successful. What we need to help answer now is: how do we give everyone access to a set top box without breaking the bank? either that or give a date for switching over, actually do the switchover and the consumer be damned.... jgitau On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:17 AM, George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> wrote:
Listers,
A few months ago I questioned the government's ambitious plan, and promise that the digital switchover would be complete by July 2012. Then the Ministry of Information and Communications PS Dr Bitange Ndemo was adamant, and quoted Malcolm X saying that that would happen by 'any means necessary'. That said, I find the reason, nay excuse, that the postponement is due to the cost of the set-top boxes laughable. I think the government and the CCK needs to tell us more, and give us the real reasons for the postponement.
George
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On Oct 31, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Edwin Onchari wrote:
Therefore then, was the DG’s quote of $ 76 (KES 6,500) accurate/justifiable? (assuming he picked the higher side of the price regime). If we had to manufacture these gadgets locally, how much would they have cost; how long will it have taken to have a ‘working’ prototype in the mart?..and assuming that there is need to promote local assembly, would have the net returns justified the higher/lower price tag?...may be the DG needs to detail wholesome the drive behind his postponing the roll-out for all to internalize…just my view J**** ** ** Kind Regards,**** Edwin**** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari= lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Mark Mwangi *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:06 PM *To:* Edwin *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement**** ** ** This is made worse by wondering what happened to the plan to locally assemble the damn things. This was taken up by the University of Nairobi Fab Lab and that story died just like that. **** ** **
We want local innovation but we don't bother with local companies doing simple things. Assembling set top boxes should be hard. **** On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote:**** Yawe,**** **** I could have missed some detail on this but do help me understand better if you can:**** ****
1. How many, and who are the licensed distributors of the top boxes in Kenya****
2. How do the prices charged by the current provider comparable to providers in other countries, e.g. India (who switched to digital a few days ago with top boxes costing average $20)****
3. Are the top boxes tax exempt?**** **** Regards,**** **** Edwin**** **** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari= lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *robert yawe *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:18 PM *To:* Edwin****
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions**** *Subject:* [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement**** **** Hi,**** **** It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.**** **** He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.**** **** When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?**** **** What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.**** **** Regards**** **** PS. Have an analog Christmas**** **** ****
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya**** Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696****
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+1 Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 9:53 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement unfortunately consumers will need either a set top box or a tv capable of receiving the digital transmission. There is simply no way around it if this migration will be successful. What we need to help answer now is: how do we give everyone access to a set top box without breaking the bank? either that or give a date for switching over, actually do the switchover and the consumer be damned.... jgitau On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:17 AM, George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> wrote: Listers,
A few months ago I questioned the government's ambitious plan, and promise that the digital switchover would be complete by July 2012. Then the Ministry of Information and Communications PS Dr Bitange Ndemo was adamant, and quoted Malcolm X saying that that would happen by 'any means necessary'. That said, I find the reason, nay excuse, that the postponement is due to the cost of the set-top boxes laughable. I think the government and the CCK needs to tell us more, and give us the real reasons for the postponement.
George
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On Oct 31, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Edwin Onchari wrote:
Therefore then, was the DG’s quote of $ 76 (KES 6,500) accurate/justifiable? (assuming he picked the higher side of the price regime). If we had to manufacture these gadgets locally, how much would they have cost; how long will it have taken to have a ‘working’ prototype in the mart?..and assuming that there is need to promote local assembly, would have the net returns justified the higher/lower price tag?...may be the DG needs to detail wholesome the drive behind his postponing the roll-out for all to internalize…just my view J
Kind Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:06 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement This is made worse by wondering what happened to the plan to locally assemble the damn things. This was taken up by the University of Nairobi Fab Lab and that story died just like that. We want local innovation but we don't bother with local companies doing simple things. Assembling set top boxes should be hard. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote: Yawe, I could have missed some detail on this but do help me understand better if you can: 1. How many, and who are the licensed distributors of the top boxes in Kenya 2. How do the prices charged by the current provider comparable to providers in other countries, e.g. India (who switched to digital a few days ago with top boxes costing average $20) 3. Are the top boxes tax exempt? Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:18 PM To: Edwin
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Hi, It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital. He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-. When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using? What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth. Regards PS. Have an analog Christmas Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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hehehe :-) Iko shida. Dr. Ndemo, any reactions? Ama it is gonna be "just read my lips" :-) walu. ________________________________ From: George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Listers, A few months ago I questioned the government's ambitious plan, and promise that the digital switchover would be complete by July 2012. Then the Ministry of Information and Communications PS Dr Bitange Ndemo was adamant, and quoted Malcolm X saying that that would happen by 'any means necessary'. That said, I find the reason, nay excuse, that the postponement is due to the cost of the set-top boxes laughable. I think the government and the CCK needs to tell us more, and give us the real reasons for the postponement. George Dr George Nyabuga Tel: +230 403 51 00 Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58 george@afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join us at AFRINIC-17 for our Public Policy Meeting in Khartoum, Sudan, on 24 – 29 November 2012 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Oct 31, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Edwin Onchari wrote: Therefore then, was the DG’s quote of $ 76 (KES 6,500) accurate/justifiable? (assuming he picked the higher side of the price regime). If we had to manufacture these gadgets locally, how much would they have cost; how long will it have taken to have a ‘working’ prototype in the mart?..and assuming that there is need to promote local assembly, would have the net returns justified the higher/lower price tag?...may be the DG needs to detail wholesome the drive behind his postponing the roll-out for all to internalize…just my view J
Kind Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:06 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement This is made worse by wondering what happened to the plan to locally assemble the damn things. This was taken up by the University of Nairobi Fab Lab and that story died just like that. We want local innovation but we don't bother with local companies doing simple things. Assembling set top boxes should be hard. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote: Yawe, I could have missed some detail on this but do help me understand better if you can: 1. How many, and who are the licensed distributors of the top boxes in Kenya 2. How do the prices charged by the current provider comparable to providers in other countries, e.g. India (who switched to digital a few days ago with top boxes costing average $20) 3. Are the top boxes tax exempt? Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:18 PM To: Edwin
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Hi, It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital. He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-. When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using? What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth. Regards PS. Have an analog Christmas Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Dakitari Nyabuga, Digital Migration is a policy matter and as far as I am concerned, the Ministry has never retracted on the statement that I made. The regulator was simply expressing his views. The migration date is a Cabinet decision and we proposed that end of December should be a fair date. The decision to confirm our proposal is not out yet. The regulator has issued new licenses to more than 60 new broadcasters. If these new players come with new content, it will compel viewers to seek to migrate. The current simulcast does not offer any incentive for anyone to migrate. Citizen is the most watched channel because of its local content. If it shuts down its analogue channel, a great number of people will migrate at any cost. This why we need the new entrants to come up with new content including vernacular. In the next month we shall see new vernacular entrants and that will confirm that content remains King and driver of TV viewer ship. If there is any sector that will create thousands of jobs in the next two years, it is the creative economy sub sector (ranging from Film, animation, music to art). Sixty percent of the California economy comes from that sector. There is no TV channel in Kenya that has sufficient Children's content. We have thousands of graduates who should be working around edutainment. Kenyans are now glued to Nigerian content that has only one plot - witchcraft. Whereas I agree with David Makali on some issues, I flatly disagree with him that content is not the problem in the migration to Digital. Indeed if we assisted our youth, you will see our content in the entire region. In Congo our Vioja Mahakamani is a hit that people leave work early to go home and watch. Content is so critical that we must elevate it to the level of our regional diplomacy and trade if we can deal with pirating. Two weeks ago we organised for Cabinet and senior civil servants to watch Nairobi Half life as part of the sensatization exercise. The out come was great and hopefully the watchers got the sneak preview of where the other half of the population come from. Most of those who attended got to know the foundation of crime in our country. It is a shame that when one's tummy is full they get to assume that everybody's too is full. Film has a way of not only creating opportunity for livelihood but it has the other side of creating awareness and there a million other social issues we must raise and keep our youth busy. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:17:56 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dear All, See some of the Opinion Pieces I wrote earlier on this issue attached. Regards HENRY O. MAINA DIRECTOR ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA P O BOX 2653,00100 NAIROBI TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2 FAX:+254 (20) 3862231 EMAIL: henry@article19.org ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 31 October 2012 06:15 PM To: Henry Maina Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Dakitari Nyabuga, Digital Migration is a policy matter and as far as I am concerned, the Ministry has never retracted on the statement that I made. The regulator was simply expressing his views. The migration date is a Cabinet decision and we proposed that end of December should be a fair date. The decision to confirm our proposal is not out yet. The regulator has issued new licenses to more than 60 new broadcasters. If these new players come with new content, it will compel viewers to seek to migrate. The current simulcast does not offer any incentive for anyone to migrate. Citizen is the most watched channel because of its local content. If it shuts down its analogue channel, a great number of people will migrate at any cost. This why we need the new entrants to come up with new content including vernacular. In the next month we shall see new vernacular entrants and that will confirm that content remains King and driver of TV viewer ship. If there is any sector that will create thousands of jobs in the next two years, it is the creative economy sub sector (ranging from Film, animation, music to art). Sixty percent of the California economy comes from that sector. There is no TV channel in Kenya that has sufficient Children's content. We have thousands of graduates who should be working around edutainment. Kenyans are now glued to Nigerian content that has only one plot - witchcraft. Whereas I agree with David Makali on some issues, I flatly disagree with him that content is not the problem in the migration to Digital. Indeed if we assisted our youth, you will see our content in the entire region. In Congo our Vioja Mahakamani is a hit that people leave work early to go home and watch. Content is so critical that we must elevate it to the level of our regional diplomacy and trade if we can deal with pirating. Two weeks ago we organised for Cabinet and senior civil servants to watch Nairobi Half life as part of the sensatization exercise. The out come was great and hopefully the watchers got the sneak preview of where the other half of the population come from. Most of those who attended got to know the foundation of crime in our country. It is a shame that when one's tummy is full they get to assume that everybody's too is full. Film has a way of not only creating opportunity for livelihood but it has the other side of creating awareness and there a million other social issues we must raise and keep our youth busy. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:17:56 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Hi Mark, We want to cover this and other innovation issues related to broadcasting at our Broadcast, Film & Music Africa Conference over 17-18 June. The Call for Papers is attached. Would you like to participate in a panel discussion covering these issues? Regards, Sean Moroney Chairman AITEC Africa seanm@aitecafrica.com UK Tel: +44(0)1480-880774 UK Fax: +44(0)1480-880765 UK Mobile: +44(0)7973-499224 Kenya Mobile: +254(0)721-845674 Mozambique Mobile: +258-820880583 Skype: seanmoroney www.aitecafrica.com [AITEC-anniversary-logo-revised] From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: 30 October 2012 18:06 To: Sean Moroney Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement This is made worse by wondering what happened to the plan to locally assemble the damn things. This was taken up by the University of Nairobi Fab Lab and that story died just like that. We want local innovation but we don't bother with local companies doing simple things. Assembling set top boxes should be hard. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com<mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com>> wrote: Yawe, I could have missed some detail on this but do help me understand better if you can: 1. How many, and who are the licensed distributors of the top boxes in Kenya 2. How do the prices charged by the current provider comparable to providers in other countries, e.g. India (who switched to digital a few days ago with top boxes costing average $20) 3. Are the top boxes tax exempt? Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari<mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari>=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:18 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Hi, It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital. He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-. When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using? What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth. Regards PS. Have an analog Christmas Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225<tel:%2B254722511225>, +254202010696<tel:%2B254202010696> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards, Mark Mwangi markmwangi.me.ke<http://markmwangi.me.ke>
I would be glad to participate in such a panel and give my 2 cents opinion and contribution. Hopefully such a discussion will paint a better picture of where we should head and the pitfalls to avoid. Looking forward to hearing from you. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Sean Moroney <seanm@aitecafrica.com> wrote:
Hi Mark,****
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We want to cover this and other innovation issues related to broadcasting at our Broadcast, Film & Music Africa Conference over 17-18 June.****
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The Call for Papers is attached.****
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Would you like to participate in a panel discussion covering these issues? ****
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Regards,****
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Sean Moroney *Chairman** **AITEC Africa* seanm@aitecafrica.com UK Tel: +44(0)1480-880774 UK Fax: +44(0)1480-880765 UK Mobile: +44(0)7973-499224****
*Kenya Mobile: +254(0)721-845674*
*Mozambique Mobile: +258-820880583* Skype: seanmoroney www.aitecafrica.com **
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+seanm= aitecafrica.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Mark Mwangi *Sent:* 30 October 2012 18:06 *To:* Sean Moroney
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement****
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This is made worse by wondering what happened to the plan to locally assemble the damn things. This was taken up by the University of Nairobi Fab Lab and that story died just like that. ****
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We want local innovation but we don't bother with local companies doing simple things. Assembling set top boxes should be hard. ****
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote:****
Yawe,****
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I could have missed some detail on this but do help me understand better if you can:****
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1. How many, and who are the licensed distributors of the top boxes in Kenya****
2. How do the prices charged by the current provider comparable to providers in other countries, e.g. India (who switched to digital a few days ago with top boxes costing average $20)****
3. Are the top boxes tax exempt?****
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Regards,****
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Edwin****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari= lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *robert yawe *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:18 PM *To:* Edwin****
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions****
*Subject:* [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement****
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Hi,****
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It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.****
****
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.****
****
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?****
****
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.****
****
Regards****
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PS. Have an analog Christmas****
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Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya****
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696****
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I could have missed some detail on this but do help me understand better if you can: 1. How many, and who are the licensed distributors of the top boxes in Kenya - There are 2 digital transmission providers Pan African & Signet (a.k.a KBC), Startimes & GoTV (a.k.a MultiChoice) who offer decoders with subscription charges, Professional Digital SYSTEMS Ltd & Microville Solutions Ltd are licensed to supply decoders and offer free to air channels 2. How do the prices charged by the current provider comparable to providers in other countries, e.g. India (who switched to digital a few days ago with top boxes costing average $20) - No idea, the Startimes decoder is 2,999/- and the GoTV one is 3,999/ inclusive of 3 months subscription 3. Are the top boxes tax exempt? Yes Regards, Edwin From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:18 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Hi, It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital. He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-. When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using? What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth. Regards PS. Have an analog Christmas Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots. We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives. The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content? Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Dr Ndemo: On this one,i beg to disagree. The approach to this digital migration has all been wrong. by comparison, the enthusiasm displayed in promoting Konza technology city is lacking completely in the campaign to migrate kenya from the analogue to digital tv. about three or so months ago, for example, cck went on high rotation media advertising of the digital transition. but on the ground, kbc, which had been mandated to distribute the public (free to air signal), had only activated the signal in nairobi and as struggling to roll out in msa and ksm. the policy on the roll out was and still is in shambles, the set top boxes are not readily available. the stockists listed do not have any. confusion reigned after the type of decoders was changed, leaving those interested in importing completely discouraged and confused. in this year's budget, the govt waived taxes on the boxes. but that has not changed much in terms of the adoption of the new technology. the campaign has suddenly gone quiet, leading to the postponement by cck of the deadline. so daktari you cannot blame those who want to trade in top boxes. when the govt announced that it was going digital, what did it expect? did it first ask for investors in set topboxes? must we manufacture boxes (do we manufacture the tvs and boxes we use?). if the opportunity is good, it will be grabbed, but govt cant blame the low interest in the damn boxes on anyone. there are certain factors that business people consider before the y invest, and if in their considered wisdom, there is no opportunity, we cant mourn too much. Kenyans have a right to information (article 35), and the govt must facilitate it, even as it transits and modernizes. I fail to see the connection between the shortage or high cost of set top boxes and local content. has the low local content stopped Kenyans from viewing the current tv channels? did we go digital so as to create jobs for the unemployed Kenyans? and how many jobs, realistically, can be created by local content? what is the uptake of local content on the media and what difference - potentially - will it make to the overall economic welfare of the people? Methinks daktari you overstate/exaggerate the opportunity created by the digital migration. Let me clarify: nobody is going to invest in local content if that content is not going to be viewed because Kenyans cant afford to watch it in the first place. And no one is going to invest in digital media if it cannot provide the audiences to make it commercially viable for the advertisers/investors. May be am wrong but i think we need to isolate the infrastructure issues first before we go after the content failure. david _______________ "If my doctor told me I had only six minutes to live, I wouldn't brood. I'd type a little faster." — Isaac Asimo, Columbian Author and Scientist _______________ PO Box 3234 00200 Nairobi, Kenya cell: +254 722 517 540 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots. We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives. The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content? Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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This is becoming a chicken before the egg scenario once again. I dunno what we mean when we say we don't have local content. There is copious content being spewed by our west african brothers, there is local demand for tahidi high like content etc. It really isn't rocket science. Where is the govt funded push for selling these said set top boxes? setup a raffle, dish them out for free, do something. Blaming importers is not very genuine. I am yet to find anyone who doesn't like making money. If importing converters etc was profitable, it would be happening already. The uncertainty occasioned by the flip-floppy policy direction of the govt. is what makes entrepreneurs reluctant in investing in these grand master plans. from DVBT1 then the sudden jump to DVBT2 and then suddenly we hear the Brazilian system is being considered. No-one likes uncertainty, least of all business. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:39 PM, David Makali <dmakali@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr Ndemo: On this one,i beg to disagree.
The approach to this digital migration has all been wrong. by comparison, the enthusiasm displayed in promoting Konza technology city is lacking completely in the campaign to migrate kenya from the analogue to digital tv. about three or so months ago, for example, cck went on high rotation media advertising of the digital transition. but on the ground, kbc, which had been mandated to distribute the public (free to air signal), had only activated the signal in nairobi and as struggling to roll out in msa and ksm. the policy on the roll out was and still is in shambles, the set top boxes are not readily available. the stockists listed do not have any. confusion reigned after the type of decoders was changed, leaving those interested in importing completely discouraged and confused. in this year's budget, the govt waived taxes on the boxes. but that has not changed much in terms of the adoption of the new technology. the campaign has suddenly gone quiet, leading to the postponement by cck of the deadline.
so daktari you cannot blame those who want to trade in top boxes. when the govt announced that it was going digital, what did it expect? did it first ask for investors in set topboxes? must we manufacture boxes (do we manufacture the tvs and boxes we use?). if the opportunity is good, it will be grabbed, but govt cant blame the low interest in the damn boxes on anyone. there are certain factors that business people consider before the y invest, and if in their considered wisdom, there is no opportunity, we cant mourn too much. Kenyans have a right to information (article 35), and the govt must facilitate it, even as it transits and modernizes.
I fail to see the connection between the shortage or high cost of set top boxes and local content. has the low local content stopped Kenyans from viewing the current tv channels? did we go digital so as to create jobs for the unemployed Kenyans? and how many jobs, realistically, can be created by local content? what is the uptake of local content on the media and what difference - potentially - will it make to the overall economic welfare of the people? Methinks daktari you overstate/exaggerate the opportunity created by the digital migration.
Let me clarify: nobody is going to invest in local content if that content is not going to be viewed because Kenyans cant afford to watch it in the first place. And no one is going to invest in digital media if it cannot provide the audiences to make it commercially viable for the advertisers/investors.
May be am wrong but i think we need to isolate the infrastructure issues first before we go after the content failure.
david
_______________
"If my doctor told me I had only six minutes to live, I wouldn't brood. I'd type a little faster." — Isaac Asimo, Columbian Author and Scientist _______________
PO Box 3234 00200 Nairobi, Kenya cell: +254 722 517 540 ------------------------------ *From:* "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> *To:* dmakali@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:52 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement
Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots.
We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives.
The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content?
Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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I am of the same opinion as Mr. Makali here, the DG is putting the carriage ahead of the horse. Sorry to bring this comparison but, despite the cost was it necessary to buy a GSM mobile phone before the expansion of GSM mobile phone network? Will I sacrifice to buy an STB if the coverage is not there in the first place. What David has mentioned I remember was during the visit by the Brazilian president in 2010 and there was mention/discussion/rumor of adopting ISDB standard instead of DVB-T. After that as technology always changes the move from DVB-T to DVB-T2, I believe some traders got burned (financially) because of this. In the UK yes there are all those service but there is coverage of signals and sufficient bandwidth. There also High end STBs that can do 3D, mid range STBs to do HD and lower tier that do SD The issue here is not fully the cost of the STBs, but the amount of coverage. Can GoK through KBC clarify the roll out on the signal I believe saying 70% of the population is covered by digital signal is the wrong way to look at it. A better statistic would be what areas of the country has DVB-T2 signal coverage. Is there a mapping of the coverage of the alleged 70% or are we to assume that is Mombasa & Nairobi? So many questions need to be answered, but lets not blame this on politics and business. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:39 PM, David Makali <dmakali@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr Ndemo: On this one,i beg to disagree.
The approach to this digital migration has all been wrong. by comparison, the enthusiasm displayed in promoting Konza technology city is lacking completely in the campaign to migrate kenya from the analogue to digital tv. about three or so months ago, for example, cck went on high rotation media advertising of the digital transition. but on the ground, kbc, which had been mandated to distribute the public (free to air signal), had only activated the signal in nairobi and as struggling to roll out in msa and ksm. the policy on the roll out was and still is in shambles, the set top boxes are not readily available. the stockists listed do not have any. confusion reigned after the type of decoders was changed, leaving those interested in importing completely discouraged and confused. in this year's budget, the govt waived taxes on the boxes. but that has not changed much in terms of the adoption of the new technology. the campaign has suddenly gone quiet, leading to the postponement by cck of the deadline.
so daktari you cannot blame those who want to trade in top boxes. when the govt announced that it was going digital, what did it expect? did it first ask for investors in set topboxes? must we manufacture boxes (do we manufacture the tvs and boxes we use?). if the opportunity is good, it will be grabbed, but govt cant blame the low interest in the damn boxes on anyone. there are certain factors that business people consider before the y invest, and if in their considered wisdom, there is no opportunity, we cant mourn too much. Kenyans have a right to information (article 35), and the govt must facilitate it, even as it transits and modernizes.
I fail to see the connection between the shortage or high cost of set top boxes and local content. has the low local content stopped Kenyans from viewing the current tv channels? did we go digital so as to create jobs for the unemployed Kenyans? and how many jobs, realistically, can be created by local content? what is the uptake of local content on the media and what difference - potentially - will it make to the overall economic welfare of the people? Methinks daktari you overstate/exaggerate the opportunity created by the digital migration.
Let me clarify: nobody is going to invest in local content if that content is not going to be viewed because Kenyans cant afford to watch it in the first place. And no one is going to invest in digital media if it cannot provide the audiences to make it commercially viable for the advertisers/investors.
May be am wrong but i think we need to isolate the infrastructure issues first before we go after the content failure.
david
_______________
"If my doctor told me I had only six minutes to live, I wouldn't brood. I'd type a little faster." — Isaac Asimo, Columbian Author and Scientist _______________
PO Box 3234 00200 Nairobi, Kenya cell: +254 722 517 540 ------------------------------ *From:* "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> *To:* dmakali@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:52 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement
Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots.
We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives.
The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content?
Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Hi Brian, I think we are missing a point here, 70% coverage means that 70% of Kenyans can receive the signal the remaining 30% have been watching Uganda, Tanzania and Somalia TV channels as even the current analog network has never reached them since independence. Many of the TV stations raising issues if coverage is a reach of less than 20% of the population which means that if we went digital today such stations would quadruple their reach over night and at a reduced cost as by switching off their analog transmitters which cost them in the range of 5 million a month (statistics from a previous post by Dr. Ndemo). Which says a lot about the reason why the larger TV stations how have greater reach are fighting the migration as it means the advertising playing field will suddenly become flat. I would like to believe that we are intelligent people on this forum, lets tithe 15 minutes each to analyze the true reason for the delay in switching off the power hungry low reach analog signal for the less expensive and highly expandable digital signal. Regards "better no brain than one rarely engaged" - Robert Yawe (cynic) Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Brian L <lusiola@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 17:45 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement I am of the same opinion as Mr. Makali here, the DG is putting the carriage ahead of the horse. Sorry to bring this comparison but, despite the cost was it necessary to buy a GSM mobile phone before the expansion of GSM mobile phone network? Will I sacrifice to buy an STB if the coverage is not there in the first place. What David has mentioned I remember was during the visit by the Brazilian president in 2010 and there was mention/discussion/rumor of adopting ISDB standard instead of DVB-T. After that as technology always changes the move from DVB-T to DVB-T2, I believe some traders got burned (financially) because of this. In the UK yes there are all those service but there is coverage of signals and sufficient bandwidth. There also High end STBs that can do 3D, mid range STBs to do HD and lower tier that do SD The issue here is not fully the cost of the STBs, but the amount of coverage. Can GoK through KBC clarify the roll out on the signal I believe saying 70% of the population is covered by digital signal is the wrong way to look at it. A better statistic would be what areas of the country has DVB-T2 signal coverage. Is there a mapping of the coverage of the alleged 70% or are we to assume that is Mombasa & Nairobi? So many questions need to be answered, but lets not blame this on politics and business. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:39 PM, David Makali <dmakali@yahoo.com> wrote: Dr Ndemo:
On this one,i beg to disagree.
The approach to this digital migration has all been wrong. by comparison, the enthusiasm displayed in promoting Konza technology city is lacking completely in the campaign to migrate kenya from the analogue to digital tv. about three or so months ago, for example, cck went on high rotation media advertising of the digital transition. but on the ground, kbc, which had been mandated to distribute the public (free to air signal), had only activated the signal in nairobi and as struggling to roll out in msa and ksm. the policy on the roll out was and still is in shambles, the set top boxes are not readily available. the stockists listed do not have any. confusion reigned after the type of decoders was changed, leaving those interested in importing completely discouraged and confused. in this year's budget, the govt waived taxes on the boxes. but that has not changed much in terms of the adoption of the new technology. the campaign has suddenly gone quiet, leading to the postponement by cck of the deadline.
so daktari you cannot blame those who want to trade in top boxes. when the govt announced that it was going digital, what did it expect? did it first ask for investors in set topboxes? must we manufacture boxes (do we manufacture the tvs and boxes we use?). if the opportunity is good, it will be grabbed, but govt cant blame the low interest in the damn boxes on anyone. there are certain factors that business people consider before the y invest, and if in their considered wisdom, there is no opportunity, we cant mourn too much. Kenyans have a right to information (article 35), and the govt must facilitate it, even as it transits and modernizes.
I fail to see the connection between the shortage or high cost of set top boxes and local content. has the low local content stopped Kenyans from viewing the current tv channels? did we go digital so as to create jobs for the unemployed Kenyans? and how many jobs, realistically, can be created by local content? what is the uptake of local content on the media and what difference - potentially - will it make to the overall economic welfare of the people? Methinks daktari you overstate/exaggerate the opportunity created by the digital migration.
Let me clarify: nobody is going to invest in local content if that content is not going to be viewed because Kenyans cant afford to watch it in the first place. And no one is going to invest in digital media if it cannot provide the audiences to make it commercially viable for the advertisers/investors.
May be am wrong but i think we need to isolate the infrastructure issues first before we go after the content failure.
david
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Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots.
We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives.
The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content?
Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
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Hi David, On the issue of DVB1 decoders, StarTimes accepts a trade-in in exchange for a 3 month subscription (1,500/-) which is a better option than using it as a door stop. On a previous discussion it was made clear that when the analog signal is turned off all the pay services will be required by law to air all current free to air channels, I also believe there is a requirement that any broadcast that carries advertising will not be allowed to be offered as pay signals as they have already received their revenue elsewhere. Based on this the cost of a free to air decoder is 1,999/- as of today's special offer by StarTimes so long as the analog transmissions are turned off. Regards PS. ufala tuwache. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: David Makali <dmakali@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 15:39 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Dr Ndemo: On this one,i beg to disagree. The approach to this digital migration has all been wrong. by comparison, the enthusiasm displayed in promoting Konza technology city is lacking completely in the campaign to migrate kenya from the analogue to digital tv. about three or so months ago, for example, cck went on high rotation media advertising of the digital transition. but on the ground, kbc, which had been mandated to distribute the public (free to air signal), had only activated the signal in nairobi and as struggling to roll out in msa and ksm. the policy on the roll out was and still is in shambles, the set top boxes are not readily available. the stockists listed do not have any. confusion reigned after the type of decoders was changed, leaving those interested in importing completely discouraged and confused. in this year's budget, the govt waived taxes on the boxes. but that has not changed much in terms of the adoption of the new technology. the campaign has suddenly gone quiet, leading to the postponement by cck of the deadline. so daktari you cannot blame those who want to trade in top boxes. when the govt announced that it was going digital, what did it expect? did it first ask for investors in set topboxes? must we manufacture boxes (do we manufacture the tvs and boxes we use?). if the opportunity is good, it will be grabbed, but govt cant blame the low interest in the damn boxes on anyone. there are certain factors that business people consider before the y invest, and if in their considered wisdom, there is no opportunity, we cant mourn too much. Kenyans have a right to information (article 35), and the govt must facilitate it, even as it transits and modernizes. I fail to see the connection between the shortage or high cost of set top boxes and local content. has the low local content stopped Kenyans from viewing the current tv channels? did we go digital so as to create jobs for the unemployed Kenyans? and how many jobs, realistically, can be created by local content? what is the uptake of local content on the media and what difference - potentially - will it make to the overall economic welfare of the people? Methinks daktari you overstate/exaggerate the opportunity created by the digital migration. Let me clarify: nobody is going to invest in local content if that content is not going to be viewed because Kenyans cant afford to watch it in the first place. And no one is going to invest in digital media if it cannot provide the audiences to make it commercially viable for the advertisers/investors. May be am wrong but i think we need to isolate the infrastructure issues first before we go after the content failure. david _______________ "If my doctor told me I had only six minutes to live, I wouldn't brood. I'd type a little faster." — Isaac Asimo, Columbian Author and Scientist _______________ PO Box 3234 00200 Nairobi, Kenya cell: +254 722 517 540 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots. We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives. The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content? Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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For once, I feel like a layman, not a qualified IT pro. I just didn't understand what Dr. Ndemo said in this post. Suddenly, there is talk of this DVB-T2 signal converter when all along the talk was about STBs. My TV has a USB slot, but it's a special port for the manufacturer's engineers to do their thing, not me to connect anything. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots.
We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives.
The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content?
Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Washington, The signal converter is actually available and you use the USB port. Just gave the sample to the regulator. Ndemo.
For once, I feel like a layman, not a qualified IT pro.
I just didn't understand what Dr. Ndemo said in this post.
Suddenly, there is talk of this DVB-T2 signal converter when all along the talk was about STBs.
My TV has a USB slot, but it's a special port for the manufacturer's engineers to do their thing, not me to connect anything.
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots.
We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives.
The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content?
Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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My view (this is I , not .... ) is that it all amounts to greed. Granted, each of the one million and one Radio and TV stations would want and have a license to be a signal distributor first, not content provider. Which does not make sense at all, Everyone seems to be angling for the "iced" end of the cake and in so doing, crippling the main objective of the whole process. Take GOK for example, on one hand dancing with multichoice as partners in GoTV, and on the other trying to roll out this "free" thing, where would more effort be put? your guess as good as mine. This could just be me, But it seems fairly straight forward to me, For this thing to succeed, you need a backbone, ONE backbone delivering service to all the potential clients, and maintaining a standard, and not confusing everyone with standards and platform. Then The rest would compete on the content side, Someone explain to me like a baby, Why again do we need more than one signal distributor? On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:56 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Washington, The signal converter is actually available and you use the USB port. Just gave the sample to the regulator.
Ndemo.
For once, I feel like a layman, not a qualified IT pro.
I just didn't understand what Dr. Ndemo said in this post.
Suddenly, there is talk of this DVB-T2 signal converter when all along the talk was about STBs.
My TV has a USB slot, but it's a special port for the manufacturer's engineers to do their thing, not me to connect anything.
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots.
We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives.
The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content?
Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Areba, You asked your question after you had given the answer, greed. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "Areba Collins [ @BrainiacKE ® ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 21:12 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement My view (this is I , not .... ) is that it all amounts to greed. Granted, each of the one million and one Radio and TV stations would want and have a license to be a signal distributor first, not content provider. Which does not make sense at all, Everyone seems to be angling for the "iced" end of the cake and in so doing, crippling the main objective of the whole process. Take GOK for example, on one hand dancing with multichoice as partners in GoTV, and on the other trying to roll out this "free" thing, where would more effort be put? your guess as good as mine. This could just be me, But it seems fairly straight forward to me, For this thing to succeed, you need a backbone, ONE backbone delivering service to all the potential clients, and maintaining a standard, and not confusing everyone with standards and platform. Then The rest would compete on the content side, Someone explain to me like a baby, Why again do we need more than one signal distributor? On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:56 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Washington,
The signal converter is actually available and you use the USB port. Just gave the sample to the regulator.
Ndemo.
For once, I feel like a layman, not a qualified IT pro.
I just didn't understand what Dr. Ndemo said in this post.
Suddenly, there is talk of this DVB-T2 signal converter when all along the talk was about STBs.
My TV has a USB slot, but it's a special port for the manufacturer's engineers to do their thing, not me to connect anything.
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots.
We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives.
The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content?
Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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I insist that the wishy washy policy formulation by the government will cost us alot in the future. Adhere to deadlines. Switch off the damn signal and watch the media companies pour their investments into the digital TV bandwagon. What was the point of the media campaign to be ready? Analog TV is costing everyone, the govt(via CCK since the tv white space is useful for LTE), the consumers with watching mchele TV, the players with costly equipment running and the creative industry with few expensive options to get their works into the living rooms. Who's call is it anyway? CCK? President? On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:03 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Areba,
You asked your question after you had given the answer, greed.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* "Areba Collins [ @BrainiacKE ® ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 21:12
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement
My view (this is I , not .... ) is that it all amounts to greed. Granted, each of the one million and one Radio and TV stations would want and have a license to be a signal distributor first, not content provider. Which does not make sense at all, Everyone seems to be angling for the "iced" end of the cake and in so doing, crippling the main objective of the whole process. Take GOK for example, on one hand dancing with multichoice as partners in GoTV, and on the other trying to roll out this "free" thing, where would more effort be put? your guess as good as mine.
This could just be me, But it seems fairly straight forward to me, For this thing to succeed, you need a backbone, ONE backbone delivering service to all the potential clients, and maintaining a standard, and not confusing everyone with standards and platform. Then The rest would compete on the content side, Someone explain to me like a baby, Why again do we need more than one signal distributor?
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:56 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Washington, The signal converter is actually available and you use the USB port. Just gave the sample to the regulator.
Ndemo.
For once, I feel like a layman, not a qualified IT pro.
I just didn't understand what Dr. Ndemo said in this post.
Suddenly, there is talk of this DVB-T2 signal converter when all along the talk was about STBs.
My TV has a USB slot, but it's a special port for the manufacturer's engineers to do their thing, not me to connect anything.
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots.
We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives.
The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content?
Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Daktari, Thanks for confirming that the reason for the postponement of the migration cut off date had nothing to do with the price of the decoders so why did the the DG not give the correct picture? I have been following the preparedness of the USA for hurricane Sandy and I wonder that if we cannot give a directive and keep to it what would happen if the due date was a predetermined earthquake, famine or hurricane would we postpone it because the school term is not over or that the event is happening too soon after another event? The mobile "fake" mobile phones where finally shutoff and the Country did not come to a standstill nor did the cows stop producing milk therefore if 70% of the country has been covered there is no justification for the postponement unless as previous mentioned someone has been compromised by "wenye inchi". Daktari, turn off the analog signal as previously intended as a sign to the international community that we keep to schedule and the governments word can be taken to the bank otherwise even the promises of a techno-city a.k.a Konza will not be taken seriously by prospective investors. As Kenyans we do not beat deadlines we use deadlines as the start date just like we leave for an 11 am meeting at 11 am, turn of the signal and within 7 days we shall have over 80% of Kenyans with decoders. Regards PS. The other argument that Kenyans need to watch the election results on TV is totally baseless. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 14:52 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital TV migration postponement Robert, The cost of a set top box with conditional access functionality ranges from Ksh. 3,500 to Ksh. 10,000. However, the cost of DVBT2 signal converter (the equivalent of Free to Air TV) ranges from $5 to $20. The problem is that the importers are only interested in set top boxes (the mercedes of TV) and not just the converters. The cost for Black and White however may be higher since the old TV sets have no USB slots. We should not be complaining on this matter. In the UK you almost need a consultant to buy a TV set. There are different formats of broadcast ranging from Simple Definition (our regular TV), High Definition (beggining to crip into our living rooms) with better picture quality and makes images look less fat and 3D TV which is undergoing through research to make it viewable without additional gadgets like special glasses. So before you but a TV set, you need to state your objectives. The DVBT2 signal today covers 70% of the population. We can have everybody switch tomorrow if we had better local content available. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SET TOP BOXES. The problem is with Kenyans. It is ironcal to see many unemployed youth yet we cannot use them to create content around us. Do we want the rest of the world to start producing our own content? Ndemo.
Hi,
It was with shock and dismay that I watched the CCK director general lie to the public on a mass broadcast on the reasons for the postponement of the cutoff to digital.
He said the reason was that the cost of decoders was still too high for the common mwanainchi, he then proceed to lie by saying that the average price was currently Kes. 6,500/-, yet the price for the StarTimes decoder is 3,499/- and that of GoTV is Kes. 3,999/-.
When I was in school many years ago the formula for calculating average was the sum of the numbers divided by the number of numbers (3,499 + 3,999)/2 = 3,749/- so which formula was the DG using?
What has incensed me more is that none of the members of the press has taken up the issue instead they have "liked" and "shared" the comments as if they where gospel truth.
Regards
PS. Have an analog Christmas
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Areba Collins [ ＠BrainiacKE ® ] -
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Brian L -
David Makali -
dmakali＠yahoo.com
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Edwin Onchari -
George Nyabuga -
Henry Maina -
John Gitau -
Mark Mwangi -
Odhiambo Washington -
robert yawe -
Sean Moroney -
Walubengo J