Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority?
By the way I have no objection to an ICT Authority....I think such an agency (RITA) has done wonders for Rwanda, founded by none other than Dr. J Oketch the current boss at eGovt. But such a body must come in to play an over-arching role over the others rather than focus on a sub-theme as it were...maybe i will take a look at the KEPSA proposal. walu. ----- Original Message ---- From: "MEldon@symphony.co.ke" <MEldon@symphony.co.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; kictanet-bounces+meldon=symphony.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority? First, it's a shame that e-Gov and GITS have not merged. They should, and in a 'neutral' ministry like OP. Then, as far as the coordination need is concerned I see a number of options: - have one of the bodies convene the others to handle issues where more than one is involved - expand the mandate of one of the existing ones to cover the need identified by Waudo - the option mooted by Waudo Mike Eldon From: "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> To: meldon@symphony.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: 04/22/2008 05:56 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority? I would not see any overlap Walu as the bodies you have mentioned have their specific mandates which are not encompassing the ICT universe. Roughly I think ICT Board is for marketing (Min. of INFOCOM), GITS to run Gov. ICT services (Min. of Finance) and the e-Secretariat to implement the e-Gov. strategy (Office of Pres.). I am always open to correction but meantime I am endorsing the KEPSA proposal. Waudo On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:23:50 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
Waudo,
jst wondering if we dont already have enough overlaps between ICT Board, eGovt Secretariate, Government Info-Technology Services (GITS) and now you (KEPSA?) want to add on an ICT authority?
walu.
--- waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
--- waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Actually the Government never voted and was never called upon to vote on this issue. The Government only facilitated the stakeholder committee at KEBS and national voting was done by members of that committee. The overall issue however reiterates what I see as a persistent problem regarding ICT and Government: ICT is wide and diverse, as well as being horizontal to the Governm ent structure. This sometimes leads to matters that are considered "ICT" not revolving around a central spoke in the Governemnt structure. So for example KEBS (and by extension issues of ICT standards) falls under the Ministry of trade. In the committee that handled OOXML there was no representative from the Ministry of Info and Comm., which was a mistake because the Government was a Stakeholder. All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
Waudo
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:14:43 -0700 (PDT), "Rebecca Wanjiku" <rebeccawanji ku@yahoo.com> said:
Microsoft denies threatening to withdraw funding
Microsoft East Africa has dismissed allegations that it threatened to withdraw funding to Kenya if the government did not vote "yes" on OOXML.
Louis Otieno, Microsoft general manager in East and Southern Africa denied the allegations, saying that Microsoft EA acted appropriately.
"We've acted appropriately in all instances. And we are grateful that the National Body members engaged in this process collaboratively and constructively," Otieno said.
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Unless the disparate units and departments are collapsed under the ICT Authority, like Walu, I would worry about creating more institutions. Already coordination and coherence is a problem. Are their any lessons and experiences from RITA or similar institutional arrangements? Worth learning from others rather than assuming that this is the best way to go with limited evidence. Can the proposal be shared in this list? Edith -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: 23 April 2008 15:27 To: eadera@idrc.or.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; kictanet-bounces+meldon=symphony.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority? By the way I have no objection to an ICT Authority....I think such an agency (RITA) has done wonders for Rwanda, founded by none other than Dr. J Oketch the current boss at eGovt. But such a body must come in to play an over-arching role over the others rather than focus on a sub-theme as it were...maybe i will take a look at the KEPSA proposal. walu. ----- Original Message ---- From: "MEldon@symphony.co.ke" <MEldon@symphony.co.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; kictanet-bounces+meldon=symphony.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority? First, it's a shame that e-Gov and GITS have not merged. They should, and in a 'neutral' ministry like OP. Then, as far as the coordination need is concerned I see a number of options: - have one of the bodies convene the others to handle issues where more than one is involved - expand the mandate of one of the existing ones to cover the need identified by Waudo - the option mooted by Waudo Mike Eldon From: "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> To: meldon@symphony.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: 04/22/2008 05:56 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority? I would not see any overlap Walu as the bodies you have mentioned have their specific mandates which are not encompassing the ICT universe. Roughly I think ICT Board is for marketing (Min. of INFOCOM), GITS to run Gov. ICT services (Min. of Finance) and the e-Secretariat to implement the e-Gov. strategy (Office of Pres.). I am always open to correction but meantime I am endorsing the KEPSA proposal. Waudo On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:23:50 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
Waudo,
jst wondering if we dont already have enough overlaps between ICT Board, eGovt Secretariate, Government Info-Technology Services (GITS) and now you (KEPSA?) want to add on an ICT authority?
walu.
--- waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
--- waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Actually the Government never voted and was never called upon to vote on this issue. The Government only facilitated the stakeholder committee at KEBS and national voting was done by members of that committee. The overall issue however reiterates what I see as a persistent problem regarding ICT and Government: ICT is wide and diverse, as well as being horizontal to the Governm ent structure. This sometimes leads to matters that are considered "ICT" not revolving around a central spoke in the Governemnt structure. So for example KEBS (and by extension issues of ICT standards) falls under the Ministry of trade. In the committee that handled OOXML there was no representative from the Ministry of Info and Comm., which was a mistake because the Government was a Stakeholder. All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
Waudo
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:14:43 -0700 (PDT), "Rebecca Wanjiku" <rebeccawanji ku@yahoo.com> said:
Microsoft denies threatening to withdraw funding
Microsoft East Africa has dismissed allegations that it threatened to withdraw funding to Kenya if the government did not vote "yes" on OOXML.
Louis Otieno, Microsoft general manager in East and Southern Africa denied the allegations, saying that Microsoft EA acted appropriately.
"We've acted appropriately in all instances. And we are grateful that the National Body members engaged in this process collaboratively and constructively," Otieno said.
http://computerworld.co.ke/articles/2008/04/21/microsoft-denies-t
hreatening-withdraw-funding
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Can the proposal be shared in this list?
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Alex - actually the KEPSA proposal is not at a stage of detail. I think the first stage is for all to determine and agree, as KEPSA has done, that there is a problem of "coordination and coherence" with regard to ICT and Government. We can use a forum like this one to share experiences to determine this. For me the reality is that ICT is cross-cutting and horizontal to the Government structure while most Ministries appear structured to operate in a vertical format. The Ministry of trade will tell you that OOXML (and ICT standards in general) is their baby; so is the yet to be attended to WTO Information Technology Act; so is signing (WTO) commitments to liberalize ICT services sector. Finance will claim GITS; Immigration want to unilaterally control the entry of ICT experts into the country, etc. There is no-one stop-shop to manage or even act as an interface. In this connection an ICT Authority is just one proposal but the flesh of it would have to come from wider consultation and input of all stakeholders. Waudo On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:03:05 -0700 (PDT), "Alex Gakuru" <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> said:
--- Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Can the proposal be shared in this list?
I have refrained from commenting without seeing and understanding what the said proposal contains.
Alex
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Waudo, While I agree that there needs to be coordination, should there not be a review of existing agencies : for scope and mandate and see if these agencies can be realigned to meet the gaps as raised rather than creating a new body? In doing so we may end up with even lesser institutions if some are merged etc? Dr. Monica Kerretts-Makau On 24/4/08 2:26 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Alex - actually the KEPSA proposal is not at a stage of detail. I think the first stage is for all to determine and agree, as KEPSA has done, that there is a problem of "coordination and coherence" with regard to ICT and Government. We can use a forum like this one to share experiences to determine this. For me the reality is that ICT is cross-cutting and horizontal to the Government structure while most Ministries appear structured to operate in a vertical format. The Ministry of trade will tell you that OOXML (and ICT standards in general) is their baby; so is the yet to be attended to WTO Information Technology Act; so is signing (WTO) commitments to liberalize ICT services sector. Finance will claim GITS; Immigration want to unilaterally control the entry of ICT experts into the country, etc. There is no-one stop-shop to manage or even act as an interface. In this connection an ICT Authority is just one proposal but the flesh of it would have to come from wider consultation and input of all stakeholders.
Waudo
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:03:05 -0700 (PDT), "Alex Gakuru" <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> said:
--- Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Can the proposal be shared in this list?
I have refrained from commenting without seeing and understanding what the said proposal contains.
Alex
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.............................. ³As we look ahead into the future, Leaders will be those who empower others² Bill Gates
Therefore it is a KEPSA/KIF considered opinion at this point in time. Recalling an old (draft) ICT Policy statement "lack of high level leadership," Will new institutions deliver/improve ICT leadership, or thinly spread the little there might be? We must strive to avoid possible "bloated ICT bodies" complains later. 1/2 cent;) /Alex --- waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Alex - actually the KEPSA proposal is not at a stage of detail. I think the first stage is for all to determine and agree, as KEPSA has done, that there is a problem of "coordination and coherence" with regard to ICT and Government. We can use a forum like this one to share experiences to determine this. For me the reality is that ICT is cross-cutting and horizontal to the Government structure while most Ministries appear structured to operate in a vertical format. The Ministry of trade will tell you that OOXML (and ICT standards in general) is their baby; so is the yet to be attended to WTO Information Technology Act; so is signing (WTO) commitments to liberalize ICT services sector. Finance will claim GITS; Immigration want to unilaterally control the entry of ICT experts into the country, etc. There is no-one stop-shop to manage or even act as an interface. In this connection an ICT Authority is just one proposal but the flesh of it would have to come from wider consultation and input of all stakeholders.
Waudo
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:03:05 -0700 (PDT), "Alex Gakuru" <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> said:
--- Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Can the proposal be shared in this list?
I have refrained from commenting without seeing
and
understanding what the said proposal contains.
Alex
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