IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT. Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
Found it laughable :) On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
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We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
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On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use. Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy! Cheers, Tony On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu. From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use. Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy! Cheers, Tony On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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Walu, sort of my point. In the absence of a privacy law, there is no recourse when personal information is made public - by whoever. In this case IEBC is correct to just publish statistics. My 'nosy' side would love to trawl through the database - "Oooh, look where ($name) is registered. I must visit ($pollingStation) with my goons" ;) Cheers, Tony On 20/07/2017, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu.
From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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Dear Walu, Tony's point makes sense. I think political parties should just invest in polling agents. Best Regards On 7/20/17, Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Walu, sort of my point. In the absence of a privacy law, there is no recourse when personal information is made public - by whoever.
In this case IEBC is correct to just publish statistics.
My 'nosy' side would love to trawl through the database - "Oooh, look where ($name) is registered. I must visit ($pollingStation) with my goons" ;)
Cheers, Tony
On 20/07/2017, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu.
From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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On this privacy debate, we must remember that the reason why the register is published is for the public to inspect the register and verify its integrity- remember the cases of dead voters being on the register etc. We decided a while back to do away with the voters card which had the voter's number. This is how the national ID came to be the primary ID for the voters register. The Register is supposed to be published outside the chief's office (or such other public place) for anyone interested to inspect it. In light of the digital age, maybe we ought to consider returning the voters number (without the card) and publish this instead of national ID number. It is a balancing act between privacy and access to information. @Tony White, it is natural for people to inspect the register with whatever lenses but the Electoral Code of Conduct forbids goon behaviour. 2017-07-20 11:01 GMT+03:00 Tony White via kictanet < [email protected]>:
Walu, sort of my point. In the absence of a privacy law, there is no recourse when personal information is made public - by whoever.
In this case IEBC is correct to just publish statistics.
My 'nosy' side would love to trawl through the database - "Oooh, look where ($name) is registered. I must visit ($pollingStation) with my goons" ;)
Cheers, Tony
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu.
From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]
wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
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What is funny on the IEBC website is the label "Access Register of Voters" insinuating that the voter statistics is the actual register of voters. On the privacy issue, the elections act just says "*Publish the Register of Voters online and in such other manner as may be prescribed by regulations.*". Haven't checked finer details in the regulations but it appears the issue of privacy might be mitigated there - my sense though is that details such as DoB and phone numbers should not be published. On ID numbers being published, the question would be; how private are national ID numbers? For instance, should the print version of the RoG to be posted at the polling stations not have ID numbers? if so, what purpose does it serve to list names of people who are not uniquely identifiable by some ID? Then again if names and IDs of people in the register will be pinned at notice boards in the polling stations one week to the elections as they say, then its IEBC's proclivity to be transparent or opaque that determines whether the same details will be published online - ie. if Section 6A (3) of the Elections Act mandating them to do so is not conclusive. Just My 25 cents :) Meanwhile the civil society wants IEBC compelled to do so - http://www.nation.co.ke/news/IEBC-sued-over-voters-register/1056-4020382-dnq... ... On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Tony White via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walu, sort of my point. In the absence of a privacy law, there is no recourse when personal information is made public - by whoever.
In this case IEBC is correct to just publish statistics.
My 'nosy' side would love to trawl through the database - "Oooh, look where ($name) is registered. I must visit ($pollingStation) with my goons" ;)
Cheers, Tony
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu.
From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]
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We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
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Again, the point is **digital** version of the register - within minutes, it would be possible to scrape 18 million names and ID numbers, and possibly more. The printed version of the register, distributed to the locations, would be much more difficult to use for nefarious purposes - indeed the data would need to be re-entered manually. @Grace Mutung'u - that was only an example - an attempt to inject a little humour into the conversation ;) Cheers, Tony On 20/07/2017, John Kieti <[email protected]> wrote:
What is funny on the IEBC website is the label "Access Register of Voters" insinuating that the voter statistics is the actual register of voters.
On the privacy issue, the elections act just says "*Publish the Register of Voters online and in such other manner as may be prescribed by regulations.*". Haven't checked finer details in the regulations but it appears the issue of privacy might be mitigated there - my sense though is that details such as DoB and phone numbers should not be published.
On ID numbers being published, the question would be; how private are national ID numbers? For instance, should the print version of the RoG to be posted at the polling stations not have ID numbers? if so, what purpose does it serve to list names of people who are not uniquely identifiable by some ID?
Then again if names and IDs of people in the register will be pinned at notice boards in the polling stations one week to the elections as they say, then its IEBC's proclivity to be transparent or opaque that determines whether the same details will be published online - ie. if Section 6A (3) of the Elections Act mandating them to do so is not conclusive.
Just My 25 cents :)
Meanwhile the civil society wants IEBC compelled to do so - http://www.nation.co.ke/news/IEBC-sued-over-voters-register/1056-4020382-dnq... ...
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Tony White via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walu, sort of my point. In the absence of a privacy law, there is no recourse when personal information is made public - by whoever.
In this case IEBC is correct to just publish statistics.
My 'nosy' side would love to trawl through the database - "Oooh, look where ($name) is registered. I must visit ($pollingStation) with my goons" ;)
Cheers, Tony
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu.
From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]
wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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That is not entirely true. OCR technology can be used very successfully if one were to take photographs or photocopies of the manual records and then convert them to digital form. On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Tony White via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Again, the point is **digital** version of the register - within minutes, it would be possible to scrape 18 million names and ID numbers, and possibly more.
The printed version of the register, distributed to the locations, would be much more difficult to use for nefarious purposes - indeed the data would need to be re-entered manually.
@Grace Mutung'u - that was only an example - an attempt to inject a little humour into the conversation ;)
Cheers, Tony
What is funny on the IEBC website is the label "Access Register of Voters" insinuating that the voter statistics is the actual register of voters.
On the privacy issue, the elections act just says "*Publish the Register of Voters online and in such other manner as may be prescribed by regulations.*". Haven't checked finer details in the regulations but it appears the issue of privacy might be mitigated there - my sense though is that details such as DoB and phone numbers should not be published.
On ID numbers being published, the question would be; how private are national ID numbers? For instance, should the print version of the RoG to be posted at the polling stations not have ID numbers? if so, what
does it serve to list names of people who are not uniquely identifiable by some ID?
Then again if names and IDs of people in the register will be pinned at notice boards in the polling stations one week to the elections as they say, then its IEBC's proclivity to be transparent or opaque that determines whether the same details will be published online - ie. if Section 6A (3) of the Elections Act mandating them to do so is not conclusive.
Just My 25 cents :)
Meanwhile the civil society wants IEBC compelled to do so - http://www.nation.co.ke/news/IEBC-sued-over-voters- register/1056-4020382-dnqryh/index.html ...
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Tony White via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walu, sort of my point. In the absence of a privacy law, there is no recourse when personal information is made public - by whoever.
In this case IEBC is correct to just publish statistics.
My 'nosy' side would love to trawl through the database - "Oooh, look where ($name) is registered. I must visit ($pollingStation) with my goons" ;)
Cheers, Tony
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu.
From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
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We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
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> [image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a > link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED > VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. > It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to > people > in > ICT. > > Best Regards, > Mr. Alexander M. Kamau, > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m > ailman/options/kictanet/jkieti%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
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@walu What was the last formal update on data protection? So many conferences, nothing on data protection? SMM *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
True that Tony.
But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy.
So anything flows and goes.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Tony White <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
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I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
31. Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have—(a) their person, home or property searched;(b) their possessions seized;(c) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or(d) the privacy of their communications infringed.
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy. Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime. walu. From: Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu. From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use. Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy! Cheers, Tony On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
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Walubengo, Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap. Regards, On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
*31.* Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have— (*a*) their person, home or property searched; (*b*) their possessions seized; (*c*) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or (*d*) the privacy of their communications infringed.
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy.
Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony.
But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy.
So anything flows and goes.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Tony White <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
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Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote. Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours. Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here. On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walubengo,
Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap.
Regards,
On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
>
*31.* Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have— (*a*) their person, home or property searched; (*b*) their possessions seized; (*c*) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or (*d*) the privacy of their communications infringed.
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy.
Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony.
But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy.
So anything flows and goes.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Tony White via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Tony White <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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@Mulwa, Partial Voter ID wont help. The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs. On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse. This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure. At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what? walu From: Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote. Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours. Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here. On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: Walubengo, Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap. Regards, On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" <[email protected] > wrote: I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
31. Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have—(a) their person, home or property searched;(b) their possessions seized;(c) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or(d) the privacy of their communications infringed.
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy. Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime. walu. From: Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu. From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use. Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy! Cheers, Tony On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected] > wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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Walu,When the present debate and IEBC issues are done,let us chat about data protection legislation.You may perhaps be aware that I have been pursuing it since 2007 without success! You may also recall that Access to information Act was pulled through mainly through the efforts of Nyeri Woman Rep, Priscilla Nyokabi who had dealt with the subject before joining politics! John Kariuki From: Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law @Mulwa, Partial Voter ID wont help. The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs. On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse. This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure. At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what? walu From: Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote. Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours. Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here. On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: Walubengo, Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap. Regards, On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" <[email protected] > wrote: I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
31. Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have—(a) their person, home or property searched;(b) their possessions seized;(c) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or(d) the privacy of their communications infringed.
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy. Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime. walu. From: Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu. From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use. Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy! Cheers, Tony On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected] > wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kariuki_jn%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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@Eng Kariuki, Absolutely. Once the election dust has settled we should ALL push for the Data Protection Act which I am aware has been doing rounds as a Bill in parliament since 2007. And yes, it is not lost to keen observers that the widely celebrated and recently passed Access to Information Act was pushed through as a ( P. Nyokabi's ) private member's bill and not government ;-) Globally, governments seem to have phobia for some of these touchy things :-) walu. From: John Kariuki <[email protected]> To: Walubengo J <[email protected]>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law Walu,When the present debate and IEBC issues are done,let us chat about data protection legislation.You may perhaps be aware that I have been pursuing it since 2007 without success! You may also recall that Access to information Act was pulled through mainly through the efforts of Nyeri Woman Rep, Priscilla Nyokabi who had dealt with the subject before joining politics! John Kariuki From: Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law @Mulwa, Partial Voter ID wont help. The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs. On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse. This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure. At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what? walu From: Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote. Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours. Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here. On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: Walubengo, Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap. Regards, On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" <[email protected] > wrote: I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
31. Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have—(a) their person, home or property searched;(b) their possessions seized;(c) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or(d) the privacy of their communications infringed.
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy. Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime. walu. From: Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu. From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use. Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy! Cheers, Tony On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected] > wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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One thing I was shocked to learn about is that IEBC actually has my phone number. I wonder why I didn't question the field on their form requiring you to give them phone number during the BVR exercise back in 2012. But that is not nearly the main problem. The problem is that in the last week before elections, many aspirants with unscrupulous access to IEBC's databases (for specific jurisdictions) will use the phone numbers to send campaign messages in bulk to their would be constituents. You just need to ask yourself where aspirants for party primaries in specific areas were getting your number to beg for your vote in the last hours before nomination date. Good luck with data privacy people! On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
@Eng Kariuki,
Absolutely.
Once the election dust has settled we should ALL push for the Data Protection Act which I am aware has been doing rounds as a Bill in parliament since 2007.
And yes, it is not lost to keen observers that the widely celebrated and recently passed Access to Information Act was pushed through as a ( P. Nyokabi's ) private member's bill and not government ;-)
Globally, governments seem to have phobia for some of these touchy things :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* John Kariuki <[email protected]> *To:* Walubengo J <[email protected]>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < [email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Walu, When the present debate and IEBC issues are done,let us chat about data protection legislation. You may perhaps be aware that I have been pursuing it since 2007 without success! You may also recall that Access to information Act was pulled through mainly through the efforts of Nyeri Woman Rep, Priscilla Nyokabi who had dealt with the subject before joining politics!
John Kariuki
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
@Mulwa,
Partial Voter ID wont help.
The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs.
On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse.
This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure.
At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what?
walu
------------------------------ *From:* Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote.
Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours.
Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here.
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walubengo,
Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap.
Regards,
On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected] > wrote:
I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
*31.* Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have— (*a*) their person, home or property searched; (*b*) their possessions seized; (*c*) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or (*d*) the privacy of their communications infringed.
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy.
Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony.
But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy.
So anything flows and goes.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Tony White <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]
wrote: We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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Hi John, The scenario you describe makes a case for data protection law, because it should not be legal to have access to the IEBC register for (bulk SMS or other) business purposes. Thankfully there are guidelines against unsolicited bulk SMS from political parties and candidates. On 21 Jul 2017 12:43 a.m., "John Kieti via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
One thing I was shocked to learn about is that IEBC actually has my phone number. I wonder why I didn't question the field on their form requiring you to give them phone number during the BVR exercise back in 2012. But that is not nearly the main problem.
The problem is that in the last week before elections, many aspirants with unscrupulous access to IEBC's databases (for specific jurisdictions) will use the phone numbers to send campaign messages in bulk to their would be constituents. You just need to ask yourself where aspirants for party primaries in specific areas were getting your number to beg for your vote in the last hours before nomination date.
Good luck with data privacy people!
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
@Eng Kariuki,
Absolutely.
Once the election dust has settled we should ALL push for the Data Protection Act which I am aware has been doing rounds as a Bill in parliament since 2007.
And yes, it is not lost to keen observers that the widely celebrated and recently passed Access to Information Act was pushed through as a ( P. Nyokabi's ) private member's bill and not government ;-)
Globally, governments seem to have phobia for some of these touchy things :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* John Kariuki <[email protected]> *To:* Walubengo J <[email protected]>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < [email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Walu, When the present debate and IEBC issues are done,let us chat about data protection legislation. You may perhaps be aware that I have been pursuing it since 2007 without success! You may also recall that Access to information Act was pulled through mainly through the efforts of Nyeri Woman Rep, Priscilla Nyokabi who had dealt with the subject before joining politics!
John Kariuki
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
@Mulwa,
Partial Voter ID wont help.
The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs.
On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse.
This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure.
At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what?
walu
------------------------------ *From:* Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote.
Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours.
Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here.
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walubengo,
Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap.
Regards,
On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected] > wrote:
I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
>
*31.* Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have— (*a*) their person, home or property searched; (*b*) their possessions seized; (*c*) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or (*d*) the privacy of their communications infringed.
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy.
Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony.
But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy.
So anything flows and goes.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Tony White <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
wrote: We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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Let me start with a disclaimer :-) This post is not from me but one Robert Yawe, Have a read. https://www.cio.co.ke/featured/is-safaricom-sincere-on-innovation/ walu.
Walu First let me ask. :-) You hijacked the IEBC discussion on elections. Why? :-) To your point on Safaricom. Very interesting blog by Yawe. The only thing I disagree with is accessing the Safaricom information. Safaricom is not a public institution. Iko na Wenyewe. What Yawe is describing or asking is for Safaricom to release the most potent arsenal they have for public consumption. Data. Which they can use and should to target me with more nuanced products specifically for me. Why should they give it out? It would open a Pandora's box of problems for them. That role is best left for Herufi House where the Kenya Bureau of Statisitics is domiciled. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
On 21 Jul 2017, at 8:38 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Let me start with a disclaimer :-)
This post is not from me but one Robert Yawe,
Have a read.
https://www.cio.co.ke/featured/is-safaricom-sincere-on-innovation/
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The commentary response to the article by Kiringai kamau articulates the needed paradigm shift in data. Safaricom etc are providing consumer services which we willingly subscribe to. Collection of data is incidental part of that service delivery process. Individuals own their data. Where are the famed developers to make a personal data repository app? One could even make money selling personal data to Bobby and others in data science vocations. As for civic data, as long as tax money was involved in its collection....there should and will be a framework of obtaining that data. Bureau of statistics website has quite some data gems but one needs 7th sense to navigate and obtain the data..e.g. the 2009 census data. On 21 Jul 2017 09:12, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
Let me start with a disclaimer :-)
This post is not from me but one Robert Yawe,
Have a read.
https://www.cio.co.ke/featured/is-safaricom-sincere-on-innovation/
walu.
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Could someone explain how recently messages were received on the wonderful product M-AKIBA by mobile phone holders - as an SMS invitation to signup to this product listed for subscription not via the traditional stock broker but via telcos; part of why it is lauded a digital innovation Where did the telephone numbers come from? Did the subscribers consent or subscribe somewhere to be receiving messages? Should subscribers expect more random messages and products/services this way? I ask this because there might be an opportunity for the young budding entrepreneurs to get their wonderful products/services broadcasted to the masses. Blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". On Saturday, 22 July 2017, 10:20, K Machuhi via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: The commentary response to the article by Kiringai kamau articulates the needed paradigm shift in data. Safaricom etc are providing consumer services which we willingly subscribe to. Collection of data is incidental part of that service delivery process.Individuals own their data. Where are the famed developers to make a personal data repository app? One could even make money selling personal data to Bobby and others in data science vocations.As for civic data, as long as tax money was involved in its collection....there should and will be a framework of obtaining that data. Bureau of statistics website has quite some data gems but one needs 7th sense to navigate and obtain the data..e.g. the 2009 census data. On 21 Jul 2017 09:12, "Walubengo J via kictanet" <[email protected] > wrote: Let me start with a disclaimer :-) This post is not from me but one Robert Yawe, Have a read. https://www.cio.co.ke/ featured/is-safaricom-sincere- on-innovation/ walu. ______________________________ _________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/ kmachuhi%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wangarikabiru%40yahoo.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
KUDOS TO IEBC!. They have finally done the right thing. The complete voter register is accessible online per polling center https://www.iebc.or.ke/iebc/?fregister The ID number has been masked until the last three digits and that appears sufficient. We always gain more, collectively so, when everyone does the right thing. Best! On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi John, The scenario you describe makes a case for data protection law, because it should not be legal to have access to the IEBC register for (bulk SMS or other) business purposes. Thankfully there are guidelines against unsolicited bulk SMS from political parties and candidates.
On 21 Jul 2017 12:43 a.m., "John Kieti via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
One thing I was shocked to learn about is that IEBC actually has my phone number. I wonder why I didn't question the field on their form requiring you to give them phone number during the BVR exercise back in 2012. But that is not nearly the main problem.
The problem is that in the last week before elections, many aspirants with unscrupulous access to IEBC's databases (for specific jurisdictions) will use the phone numbers to send campaign messages in bulk to their would be constituents. You just need to ask yourself where aspirants for party primaries in specific areas were getting your number to beg for your vote in the last hours before nomination date.
Good luck with data privacy people!
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
@Eng Kariuki,
Absolutely.
Once the election dust has settled we should ALL push for the Data Protection Act which I am aware has been doing rounds as a Bill in parliament since 2007.
And yes, it is not lost to keen observers that the widely celebrated and recently passed Access to Information Act was pushed through as a ( P. Nyokabi's ) private member's bill and not government ;-)
Globally, governments seem to have phobia for some of these touchy things :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* John Kariuki <[email protected]> *To:* Walubengo J <[email protected]>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < [email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Walu, When the present debate and IEBC issues are done,let us chat about data protection legislation. You may perhaps be aware that I have been pursuing it since 2007 without success! You may also recall that Access to information Act was pulled through mainly through the efforts of Nyeri Woman Rep, Priscilla Nyokabi who had dealt with the subject before joining politics!
John Kariuki
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
@Mulwa,
Partial Voter ID wont help.
The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs.
On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse.
This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure.
At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what?
walu
------------------------------ *From:* Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote.
Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours.
Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here.
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walubengo,
Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap.
Regards,
On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected] > wrote:
I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
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*31.* Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have— (*a*) their person, home or property searched; (*b*) their possessions seized; (*c*) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or (*d*) the privacy of their communications infringed.
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy.
Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony.
But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy.
So anything flows and goes.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Tony White <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
wrote: We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to
in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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This is what I was talking about @Walubengo J. IEBC have done it by releasing PARTIAL data of registered voters! They have followed exactly what I was explaining and talking about earlier in this thread. On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:57 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
KUDOS TO IEBC!.
They have finally done the right thing. The complete voter register is accessible online per polling center https://www.iebc.or.ke/iebc/? fregister
The ID number has been masked until the last three digits and that appears sufficient. We always gain more, collectively so, when everyone does the right thing.
Best!
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi John, The scenario you describe makes a case for data protection law, because it should not be legal to have access to the IEBC register for (bulk SMS or other) business purposes. Thankfully there are guidelines against unsolicited bulk SMS from political parties and candidates.
On 21 Jul 2017 12:43 a.m., "John Kieti via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
One thing I was shocked to learn about is that IEBC actually has my phone number. I wonder why I didn't question the field on their form requiring you to give them phone number during the BVR exercise back in 2012. But that is not nearly the main problem.
The problem is that in the last week before elections, many aspirants with unscrupulous access to IEBC's databases (for specific jurisdictions) will use the phone numbers to send campaign messages in bulk to their would be constituents. You just need to ask yourself where aspirants for party primaries in specific areas were getting your number to beg for your vote in the last hours before nomination date.
Good luck with data privacy people!
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
@Eng Kariuki,
Absolutely.
Once the election dust has settled we should ALL push for the Data Protection Act which I am aware has been doing rounds as a Bill in parliament since 2007.
And yes, it is not lost to keen observers that the widely celebrated and recently passed Access to Information Act was pushed through as a ( P. Nyokabi's ) private member's bill and not government ;-)
Globally, governments seem to have phobia for some of these touchy things :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* John Kariuki <[email protected]> *To:* Walubengo J <[email protected]>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < [email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Walu, When the present debate and IEBC issues are done,let us chat about data protection legislation. You may perhaps be aware that I have been pursuing it since 2007 without success! You may also recall that Access to information Act was pulled through mainly through the efforts of Nyeri Woman Rep, Priscilla Nyokabi who had dealt with the subject before joining politics!
John Kariuki
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
@Mulwa,
Partial Voter ID wont help.
The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs.
On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse.
This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure.
At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what?
walu
------------------------------ *From:* Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote.
Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours.
Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here.
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walubengo,
Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap.
Regards,
On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected] > wrote:
I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
>>>
*31.* Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have— (*a*) their person, home or property searched; (*b*) their possessions seized; (*c*) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or (*d*) the privacy of their communications infringed.
>
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy.
Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony.
But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy.
So anything flows and goes.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Tony White <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
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I've just checked my voter information and it's accurate and it didn't have to be a long list exposing etc. Kudos to them for making this work while protecting data. On Jul 22, 2017 3:42 AM, "Patrick Mulwa via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
This is what I was talking about @Walubengo J.
IEBC have done it by releasing PARTIAL data of registered voters!
They have followed exactly what I was explaining and talking about earlier in this thread.
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:57 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
KUDOS TO IEBC!.
They have finally done the right thing. The complete voter register is accessible online per polling center https://www.iebc.or.ke/iebc/?f register
The ID number has been masked until the last three digits and that appears sufficient. We always gain more, collectively so, when everyone does the right thing.
Best!
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi John, The scenario you describe makes a case for data protection law, because it should not be legal to have access to the IEBC register for (bulk SMS or other) business purposes. Thankfully there are guidelines against unsolicited bulk SMS from political parties and candidates.
On 21 Jul 2017 12:43 a.m., "John Kieti via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
One thing I was shocked to learn about is that IEBC actually has my phone number. I wonder why I didn't question the field on their form requiring you to give them phone number during the BVR exercise back in 2012. But that is not nearly the main problem.
The problem is that in the last week before elections, many aspirants with unscrupulous access to IEBC's databases (for specific jurisdictions) will use the phone numbers to send campaign messages in bulk to their would be constituents. You just need to ask yourself where aspirants for party primaries in specific areas were getting your number to beg for your vote in the last hours before nomination date.
Good luck with data privacy people!
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
@Eng Kariuki,
Absolutely.
Once the election dust has settled we should ALL push for the Data Protection Act which I am aware has been doing rounds as a Bill in parliament since 2007.
And yes, it is not lost to keen observers that the widely celebrated and recently passed Access to Information Act was pushed through as a ( P. Nyokabi's ) private member's bill and not government ;-)
Globally, governments seem to have phobia for some of these touchy things :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* John Kariuki <[email protected]> *To:* Walubengo J <[email protected]>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < [email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Walu, When the present debate and IEBC issues are done,let us chat about data protection legislation. You may perhaps be aware that I have been pursuing it since 2007 without success! You may also recall that Access to information Act was pulled through mainly through the efforts of Nyeri Woman Rep, Priscilla Nyokabi who had dealt with the subject before joining politics!
John Kariuki
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
@Mulwa,
Partial Voter ID wont help.
The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs.
On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse.
This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure.
At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what?
walu
------------------------------ *From:* Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote.
Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours.
Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here.
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walubengo,
Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap.
Regards,
On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected] > wrote:
I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
>>>>
*31.* Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have— (*a*) their person, home or property searched; (*b*) their possessions seized; (*c*) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or (*d*) the privacy of their communications infringed.
>>
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy.
Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony.
But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy.
So anything flows and goes.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Tony White <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
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> Found it laughable :) > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> [image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a >> link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED >> VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. >> It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to
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@Mulwa, This is excellent step by IEBC - but only one level. The individual users can indeed browse the register of the anonymized voters. It is however insufficient for those interested in deeper inspections/audits e.g wanting to check if the listed ID numbers are valid, duplicates or belong to dead people. By anonymizing data, the ability to carry out the above audit is negated. But yeah, that is a conversation beyond the list :-) walu. From: Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law This is what I was talking about @Walubengo J. IEBC have done it by releasing PARTIAL data of registered voters! They have followed exactly what I was explaining and talking about earlier in this thread. On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:57 PM, John Kieti via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: KUDOS TO IEBC!. They have finally done the right thing. The complete voter register is accessible online per polling center https://www.iebc.or.ke/iebc/? fregister The ID number has been masked until the last three digits and that appears sufficient. We always gain more, collectively so, when everyone does the right thing. Best! On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u <[email protected]> wrote: Hi John,The scenario you describe makes a case for data protection law, because it should not be legal to have access to the IEBC register for (bulk SMS or other) business purposes.Thankfully there are guidelines against unsolicited bulk SMS from political parties and candidates. On 21 Jul 2017 12:43 a.m., "John Kieti via kictanet" <[email protected] > wrote: One thing I was shocked to learn about is that IEBC actually has my phone number. I wonder why I didn't question the field on their form requiring you to give them phone number during the BVR exercise back in 2012. But that is not nearly the main problem. The problem is that in the last week before elections, many aspirants with unscrupulous access to IEBC's databases (for specific jurisdictions) will use the phone numbers to send campaign messages in bulk to their would be constituents. You just need to ask yourself where aspirants for party primaries in specific areas were getting your number to beg for your vote in the last hours before nomination date. Good luck with data privacy people! On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > wrote: @Eng Kariuki, Absolutely. Once the election dust has settled we should ALL push for the Data Protection Act which I am aware has been doing rounds as a Bill in parliament since 2007. And yes, it is not lost to keen observers that the widely celebrated and recently passed Access to Information Act was pushed through as a ( P. Nyokabi's ) private member's bill and not government ;-) Globally, governments seem to have phobia for some of these touchy things :-) walu. From: John Kariuki <[email protected]> To: Walubengo J <[email protected]>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law Walu,When the present debate and IEBC issues are done,let us chat about data protection legislation.You may perhaps be aware that I have been pursuing it since 2007 without success! You may also recall that Access to information Act was pulled through mainly through the efforts of Nyeri Woman Rep, Priscilla Nyokabi who had dealt with the subject before joining politics! John Kariuki From: Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law @Mulwa, Partial Voter ID wont help. The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs. On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse. This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure. At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what? walu From: Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote. Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours. Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here. On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet <[email protected] > wrote: Walubengo, Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap. Regards, On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" <[email protected] > wrote: I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
31. Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have—(a) their person, home or property searched;(b) their possessions seized;(c) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or(d) the privacy of their communications infringed.
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy. Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime. walu. From: Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony. But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy. So anything flows and goes. walu. From: Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > To: [email protected] Cc: Tony White <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use. Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy! Cheers, Tony On 19/07/2017, Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected] > wrote:
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
[image: Inline image 1] What an ICT lie with this IEBC to put a link for access to a register and then have STATISTICS ON REGISTERED VOTERS/ DISTRIBUTION OF REGISTERED VOTERS. It is so dishonest a move by such a Credible body especially to people in ICT.
Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau,
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Yes. Well done IEBC. Other metrics also seem to indicate the server is no longer hosted on Amazon (a great foreign service provider) but by a firm with hosting servers in Kenya :) SMM *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:57 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
KUDOS TO IEBC!.
They have finally done the right thing. The complete voter register is accessible online per polling center https://www.iebc.or.ke/iebc/? fregister
The ID number has been masked until the last three digits and that appears sufficient. We always gain more, collectively so, when everyone does the right thing.
Best!
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi John, The scenario you describe makes a case for data protection law, because it should not be legal to have access to the IEBC register for (bulk SMS or other) business purposes. Thankfully there are guidelines against unsolicited bulk SMS from political parties and candidates.
On 21 Jul 2017 12:43 a.m., "John Kieti via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
One thing I was shocked to learn about is that IEBC actually has my phone number. I wonder why I didn't question the field on their form requiring you to give them phone number during the BVR exercise back in 2012. But that is not nearly the main problem.
The problem is that in the last week before elections, many aspirants with unscrupulous access to IEBC's databases (for specific jurisdictions) will use the phone numbers to send campaign messages in bulk to their would be constituents. You just need to ask yourself where aspirants for party primaries in specific areas were getting your number to beg for your vote in the last hours before nomination date.
Good luck with data privacy people!
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
@Eng Kariuki,
Absolutely.
Once the election dust has settled we should ALL push for the Data Protection Act which I am aware has been doing rounds as a Bill in parliament since 2007.
And yes, it is not lost to keen observers that the widely celebrated and recently passed Access to Information Act was pushed through as a ( P. Nyokabi's ) private member's bill and not government ;-)
Globally, governments seem to have phobia for some of these touchy things :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* John Kariuki <[email protected]> *To:* Walubengo J <[email protected]>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < [email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Walu, When the present debate and IEBC issues are done,let us chat about data protection legislation. You may perhaps be aware that I have been pursuing it since 2007 without success! You may also recall that Access to information Act was pulled through mainly through the efforts of Nyeri Woman Rep, Priscilla Nyokabi who had dealt with the subject before joining politics!
John Kariuki
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
@Mulwa,
Partial Voter ID wont help.
The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs.
On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse.
This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure.
At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what?
walu
------------------------------ *From:* Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote.
Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours.
Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here.
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walubengo,
Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap.
Regards,
On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected] > wrote:
I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
>>>
*31.* Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have— (*a*) their person, home or property searched; (*b*) their possessions seized; (*c*) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or (*d*) the privacy of their communications infringed.
>
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy.
Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony.
But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy.
So anything flows and goes.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Tony White <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Found it laughable :)
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Alex K via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
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IEBC Kudos! Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. Keep up IEBC and do the right thing to the end for in doing the right thing has power.Let us point issues the right way even as professional and eventually we will have power. Best Regards, Mr. Alexander M. Kamau, On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 7:39 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Yes. Well done IEBC.
Other metrics also seem to indicate the server is no longer hosted on Amazon (a great foreign service provider) but by a firm with hosting servers in Kenya :)
SMM
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On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:57 PM, John Kieti via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
KUDOS TO IEBC!.
They have finally done the right thing. The complete voter register is accessible online per polling center https://www.iebc.or.ke/iebc/?f register
The ID number has been masked until the last three digits and that appears sufficient. We always gain more, collectively so, when everyone does the right thing.
Best!
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi John, The scenario you describe makes a case for data protection law, because it should not be legal to have access to the IEBC register for (bulk SMS or other) business purposes. Thankfully there are guidelines against unsolicited bulk SMS from political parties and candidates.
On 21 Jul 2017 12:43 a.m., "John Kieti via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
One thing I was shocked to learn about is that IEBC actually has my phone number. I wonder why I didn't question the field on their form requiring you to give them phone number during the BVR exercise back in 2012. But that is not nearly the main problem.
The problem is that in the last week before elections, many aspirants with unscrupulous access to IEBC's databases (for specific jurisdictions) will use the phone numbers to send campaign messages in bulk to their would be constituents. You just need to ask yourself where aspirants for party primaries in specific areas were getting your number to beg for your vote in the last hours before nomination date.
Good luck with data privacy people!
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
@Eng Kariuki,
Absolutely.
Once the election dust has settled we should ALL push for the Data Protection Act which I am aware has been doing rounds as a Bill in parliament since 2007.
And yes, it is not lost to keen observers that the widely celebrated and recently passed Access to Information Act was pushed through as a ( P. Nyokabi's ) private member's bill and not government ;-)
Globally, governments seem to have phobia for some of these touchy things :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* John Kariuki <[email protected]> *To:* Walubengo J <[email protected]>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < [email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Walu, When the present debate and IEBC issues are done,let us chat about data protection legislation. You may perhaps be aware that I have been pursuing it since 2007 without success! You may also recall that Access to information Act was pulled through mainly through the efforts of Nyeri Woman Rep, Priscilla Nyokabi who had dealt with the subject before joining politics!
John Kariuki
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
@Mulwa,
Partial Voter ID wont help.
The major reason people (esp. political parties) want the voter register is to do analytics/audits of the same- with the presumption that the voter register is tainted. Partial IDs would not be useful in such an exercise, eg when searching for duplicate, fake or underaged IDs.
On the other hand,full disclosure exposes citizen data to potential data abuse.
This is where the Data Protection Act would have been useful in as far as providing a framework of use. It would balance out these two conflicting requirements that protects everyones interests. The Act would for example allow for conditional access - i.e with appropriate penalties in the event of abuse or exposure.
At the moment supermarkets, banks, hospital, universities, operators, etc can abuse your private information but then...so what?
walu
------------------------------ *From:* Patrick Mulwa via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Patrick Mulwa <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:20 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS - data protection/privacy law
Guys, the USA is facing the same issue where thousands of voters are removing themselves from state voter rolls, prompted by fears that their information will be revealed by President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission.At least 44 of the 50 states have refused requests by the committee to hand over data. However, this is more POLITICAL as it is seen by many as an attempt by Trump to justify why he lost the popular vote.
Maybe @IEBCKenya might consider revealing PARTIAL names, ID number, and location. I want to stress the word PARTIAL here. A good example is a bank where they present to you a few letters of your phone number or your visa/MasterCard and ask you to fill them in to verify that an account is yours.
Personally, I believe partial voter data might be the way to go here.
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Walubengo,
Article 31 is a general principle of the constitution that while sufficient to anchor privacy as a general constitutional right does not address offer the mechanics of operationalising privacy. We need to move on a responsive ACT asap.
Regards,
On Jul 20, 2017 4:45 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected] > wrote:
I have been reliably informed that Kenya actually has a law on data protection. The super-law, the Constitution of Kenya says in article 31 as follows:
>>>>
*31.* Every person has the right to privacy, which includes the right not to have— (*a*) their person, home or property searched; (*b*) their possessions seized; (*c*) information relating to their family or private affairs unnecessarily required or revealed; or (*d*) the privacy of their communications infringed.
>>
I therefore rephrase my earlier statement to claimed that we do not have a law, and say theat we do not have an "Act" on Data Protection/Privacy.
Maybe IEBC can use the provisions in article 31 in the meantime.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
True that Tony.
But here is the news - Kenya has NO data protection law or policy.
So anything flows and goes.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Tony White via kictanet <[email protected] > *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Tony White <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] IEBC 2017 REGISTER OF VOTERS
On the other hand, I do not want **anyone** listing my name and ID number for anyone to scrape and mis-use.
Revealing personal information is **not** 'transparency' - it's a breach of data privacy!
Cheers, Tony
We still have a long way to go with regards to Transparency @IEBCKenya
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participants (15)
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Alex K -
Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Douglas Gichuki -
Grace Mutung'u -
John Kariuki -
John Kieti -
K Machuhi -
Lucy Gichaga -
Patrick Mulwa -
Rad! -
S.M. Muraya -
Tony White -
Walubengo J -
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