Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?

The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya while the accountants have ICPAK. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...

Grace Thanks for bringing this up. Walu, thanks for the thoughtful piece. Indeed its a major issue. I'm not sure whether we need regulation or a lobby group. Or both? There are various moribund associations that purport to represent ICT in the country. And some new ones that seem to be getting some traction. Maybe that's why the government doesn't listen to us? We are a Tower of Babel? Regards Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On May 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya while the accountants have ICPAK. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
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Its not so easy like lawyers or doctors as ict proffessionals dobt have a core trade. Is there a single set of skklls that an ICT proffessional requires that he can operate with without specialization? On May 6, 2014 4:29 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
Grace
Thanks for bringing this up.
Walu, thanks for the thoughtful piece. Indeed its a major issue. I'm not sure whether we need regulation or a lobby group. Or both? There are various moribund associations that purport to represent ICT in the country. And some new ones that seem to be getting some traction.
Maybe that's why the government doesn't listen to us? We are a Tower of Babel?
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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Sent from my iPad
On May 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya <http://www.lsk.or.ke/> (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya <http://www.ebk.or.ke/> (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board<http://medicalboard.co.ke/>, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya<http://www.mediacouncil.or.ke/en/mck/> while the accountants have ICPAK <http://www.icpak.com/>. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
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Even in the developed world, ICT does not have an internationally accepted lobby group or aggregation body of knowledge. The first step would be to clearly define the core body of knowledge outlining the foundational knowledge for specific subject domain(s) or professions with ICT. They would outline a set of "core" knowledge underlying the specialist or specialty knowledge within ICT. Then you could possibly have an umbrella body that brings the various domains into a congregate/communal lobby group. Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:37:38 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Its not so easy like lawyers or doctors as ict proffessionals dobt have a core trade. Is there a single set of skklls that an ICT proffessional requires that he can operate with without specialization? On May 6, 2014 4:29 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote: Grace Thanks for bringing this up. Walu, thanks for the thoughtful piece. Indeed its a major issue. I'm not sure whether we need regulation or a lobby group. Or both? There are various moribund associations that purport to represent ICT in the country. And some new ones that seem to be getting some traction. Maybe that's why the government doesn't listen to us? We are a Tower of Babel? Regards Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On May 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya while the accountants have ICPAK. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lnjogu%40hotmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

Hello, Lawrence, that sounds like a serious research topic right there; Concept paper coming right up! With all the earlier mentioned Professional institutions (ICPAK, Engineers, e.t.c) it borders on Minimum necessary professional Qualifications, Continuous professional development in the sector, among others; For starters we just need to identify the Minimum necessary professional qualifications : Kind regards, Judy On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Lawrence Njogu via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Even in the developed world, ICT does not have an internationally accepted lobby group or aggregation body of knowledge. The first step would be to clearly define the core body of knowledge outlining the foundational knowledge for specific subject domain(s) or professions with ICT. They would outline a set of "core" knowledge underlying the specialist or specialty knowledge within ICT. Then you could possibly have an umbrella body that brings the various domains into a congregate/communal lobby group.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:37:38 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected]
Its not so easy like lawyers or doctors as ict proffessionals dobt have a core trade. Is there a single set of skklls that an ICT proffessional requires that he can operate with without specialization? On May 6, 2014 4:29 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
Grace
Thanks for bringing this up.
Walu, thanks for the thoughtful piece. Indeed its a major issue. I'm not sure whether we need regulation or a lobby group. Or both? There are various moribund associations that purport to represent ICT in the country. And some new ones that seem to be getting some traction.
Maybe that's why the government doesn't listen to us? We are a Tower of Babel?
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On May 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya <http://www.lsk.or.ke/> (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya <http://www.ebk.or.ke/> (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board<http://medicalboard.co.ke/>, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya<http://www.mediacouncil.or.ke/en/mck/> while the accountants have ICPAK <http://www.icpak.com/>. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
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@Judy, +1 I noted some unfounded "fears" about such a body on the Nation blog. The proposed professional body is not in anyway intended to stop youngsters from coding solutions. Particularly because most major inventions in IT were done by student folks in Universities - who never belonged to any professional body. The main idea of the body is to provide a single-source of engagement with government, industry, civil society or any other group wishing to tap into a collective position on major ICT matters of public concern. Without this we are just a tower of (many) Babels - as noted by Ali. Meanwhile @Njogu, UK has indeed such a group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Computer_Society. The US does not exactly have it but has the role catered for. Check out http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/PCAST/pcast_bi... walu. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5/7/14, Judy M. Muli via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2014, 4:01 PM Hello,Lawrence, that sounds like a serious research topic right there; Concept paper coming right up!With all the earlier mentioned Professional institutions (ICPAK, Engineers, e.t.c) it borders on Minimum necessary professional Qualifications, Continuous professional development in the sector, among others; For starters we just need to identify the Minimum necessary professional qualifications : Kind regards,Judy On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Lawrence Njogu via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: Even in the developed world, ICT does not have an internationally accepted lobby group or aggregation body of knowledge. The first step would be to clearly define the core body of knowledge outlining the foundational knowledge for specific subject domain(s) or professions with ICT. They would outline a set of "core" knowledge underlying the specialist or specialty knowledge within ICT. Then you could possibly have an umbrella body that brings the various domains into a congregate/communal lobby group. Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:37:38 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Its not so easy like lawyers or doctors as ict proffessionals dobt have a core trade. Is there a single set of skklls that an ICT proffessional requires that he can operate with without specialization? On May 6, 2014 4:29 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote: Grace Thanks for bringing this up. Walu, thanks for the thoughtful piece. Indeed its a major issue. I'm not sure whether we need regulation or a lobby group. Or both? There are various moribund associations that purport to represent ICT in the country. And some new ones that seem to be getting some traction. Maybe that's why the government doesn't listen to us? We are a Tower of Babel? Regards Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On May 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya while the accountants have ICPAK. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk... _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lnjogu%40hotmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Walu, The white paper that you referenced is a good example of how a congregation of various advocacy groups ( aka special interests) work together to influence policies and/or public opinion in the US. I am very familiar on how it works here in Washington, DC. So, the most important aspect is how the different specialist groups within ICT decide to bond to pursue a common interest.
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 07:24:25 -0700 CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? From: [email protected] To: [email protected]
@Judy,
+1
I noted some unfounded "fears" about such a body on the Nation blog. The proposed professional body is not in anyway intended to stop youngsters from coding solutions. Particularly because most major inventions in IT were done by student folks in Universities - who never belonged to any professional body.
The main idea of the body is to provide a single-source of engagement with government, industry, civil society or any other group wishing to tap into a collective position on major ICT matters of public concern. Without this we are just a tower of (many) Babels - as noted by Ali.
Meanwhile @Njogu, UK has indeed such a group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Computer_Society. The US does not exactly have it but has the role catered for. Check out
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/PCAST/pcast_bi...
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5/7/14, Judy M. Muli via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2014, 4:01 PM
Hello,Lawrence, that sounds like a serious research topic right there; Concept paper coming right up!With all the earlier mentioned Professional institutions (ICPAK, Engineers, e.t.c) it borders on Minimum necessary professional Qualifications, Continuous professional development in the sector, among others; For starters we just need to identify the Minimum necessary professional qualifications : Kind regards,Judy
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Lawrence Njogu via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Even in the developed world, ICT does not have an internationally accepted lobby group or aggregation body of knowledge. The first step would be to clearly define the core body of knowledge outlining the foundational knowledge for specific subject domain(s) or professions with ICT. They would outline a set of "core" knowledge underlying the specialist or specialty knowledge within ICT. Then you could possibly have an umbrella body that brings the various domains into a congregate/communal lobby group.
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:37:38 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected]
Its not so easy like lawyers or doctors as ict proffessionals dobt have a core trade. Is there a single set of skklls that an ICT proffessional requires that he can operate with without specialization?
On May 6, 2014 4:29 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
Grace Thanks for bringing this up. Walu, thanks for the thoughtful piece. Indeed its a major issue. I'm not sure whether we need regulation or a lobby group. Or both? There are various moribund associations that purport to represent ICT in the country. And some new ones that seem to be getting some traction.
Maybe that's why the government doesn't listen to us? We are a Tower of Babel? Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On May 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya while the accountants have ICPAK. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
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Hijacking your thought/thread... Just noted a comment by Aliko Dangote (a Nigerian Billionaire) that he needs a visa to 38 countries, which means an American has more access into Africa than he does. Israeli culture tends to invent/produce new ways of doing things. When look for establishments (multinationals designed to work in foreign nations) instead if innovations (localized solutions) we fail to cause positive change in our society.
From my point of view, Kenyan IT Professionals in Management should stop ruining their future prospects (handling mega projects and becoming company shareholders) by favoring foreigners who would not ordinarily do coffee or lunch with them.
Note: Alcohol tends to be an addiction which brings people together when they are looking to unwind (not to produce), so it does not apply here. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya On May 7, 2014 6:31 PM, "Lawrence Njogu via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
Walu, The white paper that you referenced is a good example of how a congregation of various advocacy groups ( aka special interests) work together to influence policies and/or public opinion in the US. I am very familiar on how it works here in Washington, DC. So, the most important aspect is how the different specialist groups within ICT decide to bond to pursue a common interest.
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 07:24:25 -0700 CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? From: [email protected] To: [email protected]
@Judy,
+1
I noted some unfounded "fears" about such a body on the Nation blog. The proposed professional body is not in anyway intended to stop youngsters from coding solutions. Particularly because most major inventions in IT were done by student folks in Universities - who never belonged to any professional body.
The main idea of the body is to provide a single-source of engagement with government, industry, civil society or any other group wishing to tap into a collective position on major ICT matters of public concern. Without this we are just a tower of (many) Babels - as noted by Ali.
Meanwhile @Njogu, UK has indeed such a group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Computer_Society. The US does not exactly have it but has the role catered for. Check out
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/PCAST/pcast_bi...
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2014, 4:01 PM
Hello,Lawrence, that sounds like a serious research topic right there; Concept paper coming right up!With all the earlier mentioned Professional institutions (ICPAK, Engineers, e.t.c) it borders on Minimum necessary professional Qualifications, Continuous professional development in the sector, among others; For starters we just need to identify the Minimum necessary professional qualifications : Kind regards,Judy
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Lawrence Njogu via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Even in the developed world, ICT does not have an internationally accepted lobby group or aggregation body of knowledge. The first step would be to clearly define the core body of knowledge outlining the foundational knowledge for specific subject domain(s) or professions with ICT. They would outline a set of "core" knowledge underlying the specialist or specialty knowledge within ICT. Then you could possibly have an umbrella body that brings the various domains into a congregate/communal lobby group.
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:37:38 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected]
Its not so easy like lawyers or doctors as ict proffessionals dobt have a core trade. Is there a single set of skklls that an ICT proffessional requires that he can operate with without specialization?
On May 6, 2014 4:29 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
Grace Thanks for bringing this up. Walu, thanks for the thoughtful piece. Indeed its a major issue. I'm not sure whether we need regulation or a lobby group. Or both? There are various moribund associations that purport to represent ICT in the country. And some new ones that seem to be getting some traction.
Maybe that's why the government doesn't listen to us? We are a Tower of Babel? Regards
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The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya while the accountants have ICPAK. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
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That is a good link @jwalu for British Computer Society. I thought our Computer Society of Kenya does play the same role as BCS, therefore we have representation! Is that the case? On 07/05/2014, Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
@Judy,
+1
I noted some unfounded "fears" about such a body on the Nation blog. The proposed professional body is not in anyway intended to stop youngsters from coding solutions. Particularly because most major inventions in IT were done by student folks in Universities - who never belonged to any professional body.
The main idea of the body is to provide a single-source of engagement with government, industry, civil society or any other group wishing to tap into a collective position on major ICT matters of public concern. Without this we are just a tower of (many) Babels - as noted by Ali.
Meanwhile @Njogu, UK has indeed such a group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Computer_Society. The US does not exactly have it but has the role catered for. Check out
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/PCAST/pcast_bi...
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2014, 4:01 PM
Hello,Lawrence, that sounds like a serious research topic right there; Concept paper coming right up!With all the earlier mentioned Professional institutions (ICPAK, Engineers, e.t.c) it borders on Minimum necessary professional Qualifications, Continuous professional development in the sector, among others; For starters we just need to identify the Minimum necessary professional qualifications : Kind regards,Judy
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Lawrence Njogu via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Even in the developed world, ICT does not have an internationally accepted lobby group or aggregation body of knowledge. The first step would be to clearly define the core body of knowledge outlining the foundational knowledge for specific subject domain(s) or professions with ICT. They would outline a set of "core" knowledge underlying the specialist or specialty knowledge within ICT. Then you could possibly have an umbrella body that brings the various domains into a congregate/communal lobby group.
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:37:38 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected]
Its not so easy like lawyers or doctors as ict proffessionals dobt have a core trade. Is there a single set of skklls that an ICT proffessional requires that he can operate with without specialization?
On May 6, 2014 4:29 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
Grace Thanks for bringing this up. Walu, thanks for the thoughtful piece. Indeed its a major issue. I'm not sure whether we need regulation or a lobby group. Or both? There are various moribund associations that purport to represent ICT in the country. And some new ones that seem to be getting some traction.
Maybe that's why the government doesn't listen to us? We are a Tower of Babel? Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
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The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya while the accountants have ICPAK. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
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Mwendwa, It interesting to note that Computer Society of Kenya has been around for over 27 years(since 1986). As @jwalu puts it in his article, by virtue of having been instituted by an Act of Parliament, the other statutory bodies seam to have an upper hand. On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
That is a good link @jwalu for British Computer Society. I thought our Computer Society of Kenya does play the same role as BCS, therefore we have representation! Is that the case?
@Judy,
+1
I noted some unfounded "fears" about such a body on the Nation blog. The proposed professional body is not in anyway intended to stop youngsters from coding solutions. Particularly because most major inventions in IT were done by student folks in Universities - who never belonged to any professional body.
The main idea of the body is to provide a single-source of engagement with government, industry, civil society or any other group wishing to tap into a collective position on major ICT matters of public concern. Without
On 07/05/2014, Walubengo J via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: this we
are just a tower of (many) Babels - as noted by Ali.
Meanwhile @Njogu, UK has indeed such a group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Computer_Society. The US does not exactly have it but has the role catered for. Check out
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/PCAST/pcast_bi...
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2014, 4:01 PM
Hello,Lawrence, that sounds like a serious research topic right there; Concept paper coming right up!With all the earlier mentioned Professional institutions (ICPAK, Engineers, e.t.c) it borders on Minimum necessary professional Qualifications, Continuous professional development in the sector, among others; For starters we just need to identify the Minimum necessary professional qualifications : Kind regards,Judy
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Lawrence Njogu via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Even in the developed world, ICT does not have an internationally accepted lobby group or aggregation body of knowledge. The first step would be to clearly define the core body of knowledge outlining the foundational knowledge for specific subject domain(s) or professions with ICT. They would outline a set of "core" knowledge underlying the specialist or specialty knowledge within ICT. Then you could possibly have an umbrella body that brings the various domains into a congregate/communal lobby group.
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:37:38 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] To: [email protected]
Its not so easy like lawyers or doctors as ict proffessionals dobt have a core trade. Is there a single set of skklls that an ICT proffessional requires that he can operate with without specialization?
On May 6, 2014 4:29 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
Grace Thanks for bringing this up. Walu, thanks for the thoughtful piece. Indeed its a major issue. I'm not sure whether we need regulation or a lobby group. Or both? There are various moribund associations that purport to represent ICT in the country. And some new ones that seem to be getting some traction.
Maybe that's why the government doesn't listen to us? We are a Tower of Babel? Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On May 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya while the accountants have ICPAK. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
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Hi All, @Walu & the rest of the Team, The discussion points are well Noted and they are excellent. the Agenda of the ICT professional body is clear;, very clear to each and everyone of us. For us not to be the Tower of Babel as rightfully put- the Question still remains? what will be the differentiating factor -the Core Competences? what is this one or two or three Minimum necessary requirements ? These are some basic questions that needs our answers today, so that before the World cup begins, we either decide to strengthen CSK (Speaking as an annual subscriber-, & I understand there is an ICT Managers congress ongoing in MSA right now); or Form a new ICT professional body, at least if not for any of us on KICKTAnet today, for our children and the generations to come. Legacy beckons brothers and sisters' Kind regards, Judy On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Judy,
+1
I noted some unfounded "fears" about such a body on the Nation blog. The proposed professional body is not in anyway intended to stop youngsters from coding solutions. Particularly because most major inventions in IT were done by student folks in Universities - who never belonged to any professional body.
The main idea of the body is to provide a single-source of engagement with government, industry, civil society or any other group wishing to tap into a collective position on major ICT matters of public concern. Without this we are just a tower of (many) Babels - as noted by Ali.
Meanwhile @Njogu, UK has indeed such a group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Computer_Society. The US does not exactly have it but has the role catered for. Check out
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/PCAST/pcast_bi...
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5/7/14, Judy M. Muli via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya? To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2014, 4:01 PM
Hello,Lawrence, that sounds like a serious research topic right there; Concept paper coming right up!With all the earlier mentioned Professional institutions (ICPAK, Engineers, e.t.c) it borders on Minimum necessary professional Qualifications, Continuous professional development in the sector, among others; For starters we just need to identify the Minimum necessary professional qualifications : Kind regards,Judy
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Lawrence Njogu via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Even in the developed world, ICT does not have an internationally accepted lobby group or aggregation body of knowledge. The first step would be to clearly define the core body of knowledge outlining the foundational knowledge for specific subject domain(s) or professions with ICT. They would outline a set of "core" knowledge underlying the specialist or specialty knowledge within ICT. Then you could possibly have an umbrella body that brings the various domains into a congregate/communal lobby group.
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:37:38 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
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Its not so easy like lawyers or doctors as ict proffessionals dobt have a core trade. Is there a single set of skklls that an ICT proffessional requires that he can operate with without specialization?
On May 6, 2014 4:29 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
Grace Thanks for bringing this up. Walu, thanks for the thoughtful piece. Indeed its a major issue. I'm not sure whether we need regulation or a lobby group. Or both? There are various moribund associations that purport to represent ICT in the country. And some new ones that seem to be getting some traction.
Maybe that's why the government doesn't listen to us? We are a Tower of Babel? Regards
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On May 6, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
The lawyers have the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), the engineers have the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK) the doctors have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentist Board, the media professionals have the Media Council of Kenya while the accountants have ICPAK. But who speaks for the ICT professionals in Kenya?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
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participants (9)
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Ali Hussein
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Grace Githaiga
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Judy M. Muli
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Lawrence Njogu
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Mark Mwangi
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Mwendwa Kivuva
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S.M. Muraya
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steve mutuvi
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Walubengo J