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Bw. Mugo, Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C. I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-) Lucy --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> wrote: From: Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 5:46 PM Bwana Kibati No problem at all and thanks informing us of when we are likely to hear from you. We understand that some days can just be too hectic. Please do respond to the various questions in whichever order you feel comfortable. After all, they are all interlinked, and I bet will still generate further debate. We will therefore continue with the discussion as we wait. Aguyo, critical question you raise. How will Vision 2030 use ICTs to inform the public on the status of flagship projects and their linkage to open data? Matunda the point you make that ICTs can be used by government for real time financial management to reduce leakage (kickbacks and price inflation) is interesting. We move on to Day 3 of this debate. We move onto the second pillar which is the Social Pillar. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/social The objective of the Social Pillar is to invest in the people of Kenya in order to improve the quality of life for all Kenyans by targeting a cross-section of human and social welfare projects and programmes, specifically: Education and training, Health, Environment, Housing and urbanisation, Gender, children and social development, Youth and sports. Listers, tuendelee kuwakilisha. You can still raise your concerns on the vision, the foundations and the economic pillar (Day 1 and 2). Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:19:14 +0300 To: [email protected] Hi all, I just got home after a rather hectic day. I have seen your numerous questions and hope you will indulge my responding to the various questions and comments over the next 48 in no particular order. Regards, Mugo Sent from my iPad . -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lkimani%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Thank you Lucy for raising the concern on Goal 5 that touches on maternal health. I agree that we need to capitalize on social media to disseminate information on this important matter. I am sure you will get a response from Mr. Mugo. We now move to the last day of our discussion. Our focus shifts to the third pillar namely the political pillar (rule of law, electoral and political processes, transparency and accountability etc). http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/political The objective of the pillar is stated as...'moving to the future as one nation and envisions a democratic system that is issue based, people centred, results oriented and is accountable to the public'. Listers, please continue to raise your concerns in any of the areas discussed so far. Have a great day. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:59:14 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Bw. Mugo, Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C. I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-) Lucy
Grace, I know that this was to end today but I have not yet been able to respond to all comments and suggestions and would like to do so over the next 2 or 3 days if I would be allowed to do so. Regards, Mugo <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> logo.jpg Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: [email protected] www.vision2030.go.ke From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:23 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: Political Pillar (Day 4) Thank you Lucy for raising the concern on Goal 5 that touches on maternal health. I agree that we need to capitalize on social media to disseminate information on this important matter. I am sure you will get a response from Mr. Mugo. We now move to the last day of our discussion. Our focus shifts to the third pillar namely the political pillar (rule of law, electoral and political processes, transparency and accountability etc). <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/political> http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/political The objective of the pillar is stated as...'moving to the future as one nation and envisions a democratic system that is issue based, people centred, results oriented and is accountable to the public'. Listers, please continue to raise your concerns in any of the areas discussed so far. Have a great day. Rgds Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:59:14 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Bw. Mugo, Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C. I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-) Lucy
Dear Mugo We welcome your request for an extra two or three days to allow you to respond to concerns raised. Thanks for all the information you have provided to us. It is enlightening and so far it has been great learning. It is our hope that you will continue to be on the list even after we conclude the Vision 2030 discussion. You have the extension. Thanks also to Harry, Joseph and Muraya for keeping this debate live! A great week to all of you. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: RE: [kictanet] Vision 2030: Political Pillar (Day 4) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:13:59 +0300 Grace, I know that this was to end today but I have not yet been able to respond to all comments and suggestions and would like to do so over the next 2 or 3 days if I would be allowed to do so. Regards, Mugo Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: [email protected] www.vision2030.go.ke From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:23 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: Political Pillar (Day 4) Thank you Lucy for raising the concern on Goal 5 that touches on maternal health. I agree that we need to capitalize on social media to disseminate information on this important matter. I am sure you will get a response from Mr. Mugo. We now move to the last day of our discussion. Our focus shifts to the third pillar namely the political pillar (rule of law, electoral and political processes, transparency and accountability etc). http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/political The objective of the pillar is stated as...'moving to the future as one nation and envisions a democratic system that is issue based, people centred, results oriented and is accountable to the public'. Listers, please continue to raise your concerns in any of the areas discussed so far. Have a great day. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:59:14 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Bw. Mugo, Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C. I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-) Lucy
Mugo/Grace. Am suprised the "Politicians" on this ICT list are suddenly quiet when they have the opportunity and the rare floor to talk politics without being ruled of out order;-) Anyway, mine is a comment and just to say that we lost the plot the moment we adopted corruption as a way of life. And am not necessarily talking about big time corruption like Anglo Leasing, Triton, Goldenberg et. al - though these do count as much. But am talking about that cashier who does not release your cheque until you pay them something, or that matatu driver who doubles the fare just because it suddenly started raining, or that charcoal seller who puts good charcoal on top of the sack while 60% below is all rotten, that water-meter reader who inflates your water bill, disconnects it and eventually extorts money from you in order to make the bill disappear, that lecturer who has 300students and decides not to mark the scripts while still submitting some fictitious scores ... Am sure you get the drift. Our society is full of chaps who are cutting corners in order to get rich quickly. What they fail to connect is that the quick money without corresponding productivity is what makes us a 3rd world country. It erodes our gross national productivity and possibly raises inflation... I think we must go back to the basics and redifine our values as a nation. We must grow a totally new generation of Kenyans that believes in and respects hard-work and ethical behaviour while placing less value on material things (how big your car, how big your house and how big your land is, etc). The new Kenyan generation should place more emphasis and value on how you got the big car, the big house, the big land and possibly how you are using these assets to contribute to the overall well-being of your fellow Kenyans. Without these, Vision 2030 may indeed build a bigger economy but the same will always be squandered/leaked through corruption. walu. --- On Fri, 12/16/11, Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> wrote: From: Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: Political Pillar (Day 4) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 2:23 AM Thank you Lucy for raising the concern on Goal 5 that touches on maternal health. I agree that we need to capitalize on social media to disseminate information on this important matter. I am sure you will get a response from Mr. Mugo. We now move to the last day of our discussion. Our focus shifts to the third pillar namely the political pillar (rule of law, electoral and political processes, transparency and accountability etc). http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/political The objective of the pillar is stated as...'moving to the future as one nation and envisions a democratic system that is issue based, people centred, results oriented and is accountable to the public'. Listers, please continue to raise your concerns in any of the areas discussed so far. Have a great day. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:59:14 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Bw. Mugo, Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C. I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-) Lucy -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Lucy (the same one I know?), Thank you for the precise interest in the challenges of improving Maternal Health under the Social Pillar. I agree, Maternal health is an area which can have some quick wins; talking about social media and education, the Wakilisha TV clip deliberately included a clip on maternal health - Check it out. As far as the MTP is concerned, realize that this is the first Vision 2030 MTP and our review has made similar observations, which we will incorporate in the 2nd MTP. Also important to note, that the Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat reviews to sequence and prioritize the flagship projects annually. The development of the next MTP is drawing interest from CSOs, CBOs, Faith Based organizations and Vision 2030 champions like you. We will endeavor to widen the participation as much as possible to ensure wider agreement on the country's priorities. <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> logo.jpg Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: [email protected] www.vision2030.go.ke From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lucy Kimani Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:59 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) Bw. Mugo, Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C. I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-) Lucy --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> wrote: From: Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 5:46 PM Bwana Kibati No problem at all and thanks informing us of when we are likely to hear from you. We understand that some days can just be too hectic. Please do respond to the various questions in whichever order you feel comfortable. After all, they are all interlinked, and I bet will still generate further debate. We will therefore continue with the discussion as we wait. Aguyo, critical question you raise. How will Vision 2030 use ICTs to inform the public on the status of flagship projects and their linkage to open data? Matunda the point you make that ICTs can be used by government for real time financial management to reduce leakage (kickbacks and price inflation) is interesting. We move on to Day 3 of this debate. We move onto the second pillar which is the Social Pillar. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/social The objective of the Social Pillar is to invest in the people of Kenya in order to improve the quality of life for all Kenyans by targeting a cross-section of human and social welfare projects and programmes, specifically: Education and training, Health, Environment, Housing and urbanisation, Gender, children and social development, Youth and sports. Listers, tuendelee kuwakilisha. You can still raise your concerns on the vision, the foundations and the economic pillar (Day 1 and 2). Rgds Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:19:14 +0300 To: [email protected] Hi all, I just got home after a rather hectic day. I have seen your numerous questions and hope you will indulge my responding to the various questions and comments over the next 48 in no particular order. Regards, Mugo Sent from my iPad . -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] <http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]
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Mugo (yes I guess I am busted):-) Thanks for the encouraging feedback, and I hope you will share with the listers the next iteration of the MTP when it is ready. In terms of meeting the Millennium goals, the tone of the report should endeavor to avoid any "unlikely" to be met criteria no matter how challenging the goal. Brainstorm on innovative ways to address the challenges so even as we gain insight into ways in which you are implementing Vision 2030 projects perhaps there are things that Vision 2030 could be doing differently? For example goal 1 eradicate hunger and poverty. The UN states in their report that the world is on target to meet the goal so what is different in Kenya? Wasn't the CDF to help address this goal if it is not working then is it time to restructure? Lucy Sent from my iPad On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:26 AM, "Mugo Kibati" <[email protected]> wrote:
Lucy (the same one I know?),
Thank you for the precise interest in the challenges of improving Maternal Health under the Social Pillar. I agree, Maternal health is an area which can have some quick wins; talking about social media and education, the Wakilisha TV clip deliberately included a clip on maternal health - Check it out. As far as the MTP is concerned, realize that this is the first Vision 2030 MTP and our review has made similar observations, which we will incorporate in the 2nd MTP.
Also important to note, that the Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat reviews to sequence and prioritize the flagship projects annually. The development of the next MTP is drawing interest from CSOs, CBOs, Faith Based organizations and Vision 2030 champions like you. We will endeavor to widen the participation as much as possible to ensure wider agreement on the country's priorities.
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Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: [email protected] www.vision2030.go.ke
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lucy Kimani Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:59 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3)
Bw. Mugo,
Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C.
I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-)
Lucy
--- On Wed, 12/14/11, Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 5:46 PM
Bwana Kibati
No problem at all and thanks informing us of when we are likely to hear from you. We understand that some days can just be too hectic. Please do respond to the various questions in whichever order you feel comfortable. After all, they are all interlinked, and I bet will still generate further debate.
We will therefore continue with the discussion as we wait.
Aguyo, critical question you raise. How will Vision 2030 use ICTs to inform the public on the status of flagship projects and their linkage to open data?
Matunda the point you make that ICTs can be used by government for real time financial management to reduce leakage (kickbacks and price inflation) is interesting.
We move on to Day 3 of this debate.
We move onto the second pillar which is the Social Pillar. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/social
The objective of the Social Pillar is to invest in the people of Kenya in order to improve the quality of life for all Kenyans by targeting a cross-section of human and social welfare projects and programmes, specifically: Education and training, Health, Environment, Housing and urbanisation, Gender, children and social development, Youth and sports.
Listers, tuendelee kuwakilisha. You can still raise your concerns on the vision, the foundations and the economic pillar (Day 1 and 2).
Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:19:14 +0300 To: [email protected]
Hi all,
I just got home after a rather hectic day. I have seen your numerous questions and hope you will indulge my responding to the various questions and comments over the next 48 in no particular order.
Regards, Mugo
Sent from my iPad
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Lucy, CDF, was really, really a good idea. “Execution” is really, really it’s Achilles’ heel. Sometime if we all really, really took time to pause and re-examine ourselves by looking inwards, there within we would discover what really, really ails us. So as Walubengo rightly put it, let Vision2030 help guiding this country in re-defining our National values, hand in hand with the grand project. Then we really, really can positively look forward to taking this country to really, really great heights.. All this might not be achieved in 100 days, maybe not even in 100 years or in our life time, but at least let us begin.. Harry From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lucy Kimani Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 6:23 AM To: [email protected] Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) Mugo (yes I guess I am busted):-) Thanks for the encouraging feedback, and I hope you will share with the listers the next iteration of the MTP when it is ready. In terms of meeting the Millennium goals, the tone of the report should endeavor to avoid any "unlikely" to be met criteria no matter how challenging the goal. Brainstorm on innovative ways to address the challenges so even as we gain insight into ways in which you are implementing Vision 2030 projects perhaps there are things that Vision 2030 could be doing differently? For example goal 1 eradicate hunger and poverty. The UN states in their report that the world is on target to meet the goal so what is different in Kenya? Wasn't the CDF to help address this goal if it is not working then is it time to restructure? Lucy Sent from my iPad On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:26 AM, "Mugo Kibati" <[email protected]> wrote: Lucy (the same one I know?), Thank you for the precise interest in the challenges of improving Maternal Health under the Social Pillar. I agree, Maternal health is an area which can have some quick wins; talking about social media and education, the Wakilisha TV clip deliberately included a clip on maternal health - Check it out. As far as the MTP is concerned, realize that this is the first Vision 2030 MTP and our review has made similar observations, which we will incorporate in the 2nd MTP. Also important to note, that the Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat reviews to sequence and prioritize the flagship projects annually. The development of the next MTP is drawing interest from CSOs, CBOs, Faith Based organizations and Vision 2030 champions like you. We will endeavor to widen the participation as much as possible to ensure wider agreement on the country's priorities. <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> <image001.jpg> Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: [email protected] www.vision2030.go.ke From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lucy Kimani Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:59 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) Bw. Mugo, Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C. I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-) Lucy --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> wrote: From: Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 5:46 PM Bwana Kibati No problem at all and thanks informing us of when we are likely to hear from you. We understand that some days can just be too hectic. Please do respond to the various questions in whichever order you feel comfortable. After all, they are all interlinked, and I bet will still generate further debate. We will therefore continue with the discussion as we wait. Aguyo, critical question you raise. How will Vision 2030 use ICTs to inform the public on the status of flagship projects and their linkage to open data? Matunda the point you make that ICTs can be used by government for real time financial management to reduce leakage (kickbacks and price inflation) is interesting. We move on to Day 3 of this debate. We move onto the second pillar which is the Social Pillar. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/social The objective of the Social Pillar is to invest in the people of Kenya in order to improve the quality of life for all Kenyans by targeting a cross-section of human and social welfare projects and programmes, specifically: Education and training, Health, Environment, Housing and urbanisation, Gender, children and social development, Youth and sports. Listers, tuendelee kuwakilisha. You can still raise your concerns on the vision, the foundations and the economic pillar (Day 1 and 2). Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:19:14 +0300 To: [email protected] Hi all, I just got home after a rather hectic day. I have seen your numerous questions and hope you will indulge my responding to the various questions and comments over the next 48 in no particular order. Regards, Mugo Sent from my iPad . -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] <http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lkimani%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Harry, Agreed and CDF could still be the tool it was intended if restructured to clearly articulate it's purpose as a poverty eradicating tool see Kangundo's CDF they are right on the money with majority of their projects going towards water projects, and we all know that is a major constraint but then they have funds going to schools too which though a worthy cause should be left for the GOK vis-vis Ministry of Education. I would venture to say a better use of their funds could be spent to take the water projects a step further say in irrigation projects... Just my thoughts and for sure none of us has a monopoly on ideas so think tanks focused on poverty alleviation could fill in the blanks. Http://www.cdf.go.ke/projects/status/kangundo_project_status_2008_2009.htm Sent from my iPad On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:00 AM, "Harry Delano" <[email protected]> wrote:
Lucy,
CDF, was really, really a good idea. “Execution” is really, really it’s Achilles’ heel.
Sometime if we all really, really took time to pause and re-examine ourselves by looking inwards, there within we would discover what really, really ails us.
So as Walubengo rightly put it, let Vision2030 help guiding this country in re-defining our National values, hand in hand with the grand project. Then we really, really can positively look forward to taking this country to really, really great heights..
All this might not be achieved in 100 days, maybe not even in 100 years or in our life time, but at least let us begin..
Harry
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lucy Kimani Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 6:23 AM To: [email protected] Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3)
Mugo (yes I guess I am busted):-)
Thanks for the encouraging feedback, and I hope you will share with the listers the next iteration of the MTP when it is ready. In terms of meeting the Millennium goals, the tone of the report should endeavor to avoid any "unlikely" to be met criteria no matter how challenging the goal. Brainstorm on innovative ways to address the challenges so even as we gain insight into ways in which you are implementing Vision 2030 projects perhaps there are things that Vision 2030 could be doing differently? For example goal 1 eradicate hunger and poverty. The UN states in their report that the world is on target to meet the goal so what is different in Kenya? Wasn't the CDF to help address this goal if it is not working then is it time to restructure?
Lucy
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:26 AM, "Mugo Kibati" <[email protected]> wrote:
Lucy (the same one I know?),
Thank you for the precise interest in the challenges of improving Maternal Health under the Social Pillar. I agree, Maternal health is an area which can have some quick wins; talking about social media and education, the Wakilisha TV clip deliberately included a clip on maternal health - Check it out. As far as the MTP is concerned, realize that this is the first Vision 2030 MTP and our review has made similar observations, which we will incorporate in the 2nd MTP.
Also important to note, that the Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat reviews to sequence and prioritize the flagship projects annually. The development of the next MTP is drawing interest from CSOs, CBOs, Faith Based organizations and Vision 2030 champions like you. We will endeavor to widen the participation as much as possible to ensure wider agreement on the country's priorities.
<image001.jpg>
Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: [email protected] www.vision2030.go.ke
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lucy Kimani Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:59 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3)
Bw. Mugo,
Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C.
I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-)
Lucy
--- On Wed, 12/14/11, Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 5:46 PM
Bwana Kibati
No problem at all and thanks informing us of when we are likely to hear from you. We understand that some days can just be too hectic. Please do respond to the various questions in whichever order you feel comfortable. After all, they are all interlinked, and I bet will still generate further debate.
We will therefore continue with the discussion as we wait.
Aguyo, critical question you raise. How will Vision 2030 use ICTs to inform the public on the status of flagship projects and their linkage to open data?
Matunda the point you make that ICTs can be used by government for real time financial management to reduce leakage (kickbacks and price inflation) is interesting.
We move on to Day 3 of this debate.
We move onto the second pillar which is the Social Pillar. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/social
The objective of the Social Pillar is to invest in the people of Kenya in order to improve the quality of life for all Kenyans by targeting a cross-section of human and social welfare projects and programmes, specifically: Education and training, Health, Environment, Housing and urbanisation, Gender, children and social development, Youth and sports.
Listers, tuendelee kuwakilisha. You can still raise your concerns on the vision, the foundations and the economic pillar (Day 1 and 2).
Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:19:14 +0300 To: [email protected]
Hi all,
I just got home after a rather hectic day. I have seen your numerous questions and hope you will indulge my responding to the various questions and comments over the next 48 in no particular order.
Regards, Mugo
Sent from my iPad
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Harry to my point on food... Interesting TED video by the "first Gardener" http://www.ted.com/talks/roger_doiron_my_subversive_garden_plot.html?utm_source=newsletter_weekly_2011-12-21&utm_campaign=newsletter_weekly&utm_medium=email Sent from my iPad On Dec 21, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Lucy Kimani <[email protected]> wrote:
Harry,
Agreed and CDF could still be the tool it was intended if restructured to clearly articulate it's purpose as a poverty eradicating tool see Kangundo's CDF they are right on the money with majority of their projects going towards water projects, and we all know that is a major constraint but then they have funds going to schools too which though a worthy cause should be left for the GOK vis-vis Ministry of Education. I would venture to say a better use of their funds could be spent to take the water projects a step further say in irrigation projects... Just my thoughts and for sure none of us has a monopoly on ideas so think tanks focused on poverty alleviation could fill in the blanks.
Http://www.cdf.go.ke/projects/status/kangundo_project_status_2008_2009.htm
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:00 AM, "Harry Delano" <[email protected]> wrote:
Lucy,
CDF, was really, really a good idea. “Execution” is really, really it’s Achilles’ heel.
Sometime if we all really, really took time to pause and re-examine ourselves by looking inwards, there within we would discover what really, really ails us.
So as Walubengo rightly put it, let Vision2030 help guiding this country in re-defining our National values, hand in hand with the grand project. Then we really, really can positively look forward to taking this country to really, really great heights..
All this might not be achieved in 100 days, maybe not even in 100 years or in our life time, but at least let us begin..
Harry
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lucy Kimani Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 6:23 AM To: [email protected] Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3)
Mugo (yes I guess I am busted):-)
Thanks for the encouraging feedback, and I hope you will share with the listers the next iteration of the MTP when it is ready. In terms of meeting the Millennium goals, the tone of the report should endeavor to avoid any "unlikely" to be met criteria no matter how challenging the goal. Brainstorm on innovative ways to address the challenges so even as we gain insight into ways in which you are implementing Vision 2030 projects perhaps there are things that Vision 2030 could be doing differently? For example goal 1 eradicate hunger and poverty. The UN states in their report that the world is on target to meet the goal so what is different in Kenya? Wasn't the CDF to help address this goal if it is not working then is it time to restructure?
Lucy
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:26 AM, "Mugo Kibati" <[email protected]> wrote:
Lucy (the same one I know?),
Thank you for the precise interest in the challenges of improving Maternal Health under the Social Pillar. I agree, Maternal health is an area which can have some quick wins; talking about social media and education, the Wakilisha TV clip deliberately included a clip on maternal health - Check it out. As far as the MTP is concerned, realize that this is the first Vision 2030 MTP and our review has made similar observations, which we will incorporate in the 2nd MTP.
Also important to note, that the Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat reviews to sequence and prioritize the flagship projects annually. The development of the next MTP is drawing interest from CSOs, CBOs, Faith Based organizations and Vision 2030 champions like you. We will endeavor to widen the participation as much as possible to ensure wider agreement on the country's priorities.
<image001.jpg>
Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: [email protected] www.vision2030.go.ke
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lucy Kimani Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:59 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3)
Bw. Mugo,
Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C.
I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-)
Lucy
--- On Wed, 12/14/11, Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 5:46 PM
Bwana Kibati
No problem at all and thanks informing us of when we are likely to hear from you. We understand that some days can just be too hectic. Please do respond to the various questions in whichever order you feel comfortable. After all, they are all interlinked, and I bet will still generate further debate.
We will therefore continue with the discussion as we wait.
Aguyo, critical question you raise. How will Vision 2030 use ICTs to inform the public on the status of flagship projects and their linkage to open data?
Matunda the point you make that ICTs can be used by government for real time financial management to reduce leakage (kickbacks and price inflation) is interesting.
We move on to Day 3 of this debate.
We move onto the second pillar which is the Social Pillar. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/social
The objective of the Social Pillar is to invest in the people of Kenya in order to improve the quality of life for all Kenyans by targeting a cross-section of human and social welfare projects and programmes, specifically: Education and training, Health, Environment, Housing and urbanisation, Gender, children and social development, Youth and sports.
Listers, tuendelee kuwakilisha. You can still raise your concerns on the vision, the foundations and the economic pillar (Day 1 and 2).
Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:19:14 +0300 To: [email protected]
Hi all,
I just got home after a rather hectic day. I have seen your numerous questions and hope you will indulge my responding to the various questions and comments over the next 48 in no particular order.
Regards, Mugo
Sent from my iPad
.
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Listers Thanks to all who have kept this debate going, and to Mugo for extending his time to elaborate, clarify and provide us with feedback on our queries. Highly appreciated. It is also good to know that the Vision 2030 Secretariat conducts annual reviews to prioritize flagship projects. This should be an opportunity for us to engage and also make suggestions on the reviews. Lucy, great suggestions that should provide for food for thought. Yawe, a good question not just for Mugo but for all development conscious Kenyans: where did we go wrong when we had the right agenda over 40 years ago? Could it be that we lost it as Walubengo avers, the moment we adopted corruption as a way of life? And what does this imply for vision 2030? Yes Harry, like PS Ndemo suggests, it is time to stop complaining (but you know we are Kenyans and must vent :)), and fetch those blue prints (maybe they are dusty, and thanks to Yawe for reminding us), re-evaluate them, align them with the current context, and most imporant IMPLEMENT. Aguyo, an opportunity right there for you to influence/participate in part of the implementation of the Vision 2030 as it continues to evolve. Mugo has extended that chance to you to provide your technical ideas on Vision 2030 and open data integration. PS Ndemo, not sure that your wonderful idea of having think tanks to provide analysis of candidates for leadership positions would be popular in particular with our politicians. Might be a long shot although we need this for vision 2030. That idea of restructring ourselves along the lines of complainers, analyzers and solution proposers should be food for thought to all of us. Can we be solution proposers? And listers, can we make IT suggestions to help strengthen the vision? A wonderful day to all of you. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:59:14 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Bw. Mugo, Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C. I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-) Lucy --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> wrote: From: Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 5:46 PM Bwana Kibati No problem at all and thanks informing us of when we are likely to hear from you. We understand that some days can just be too hectic. Please do respond to the various questions in whichever order you feel comfortable. After all, they are all interlinked, and I bet will still generate further debate. We will therefore continue with the discussion as we wait. Aguyo, critical question you raise. How will Vision 2030 use ICTs to inform the public on the status of flagship projects and their linkage to open data? Matunda the point you make that ICTs can be used by government for real time financial management to reduce leakage (kickbacks and price inflation) is interesting. We move on to Day 3 of this debate. We move onto the second pillar which is the Social Pillar. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/social The objective of the Social Pillar is to invest in the people of Kenya in order to improve the quality of life for all Kenyans by targeting a cross-section of human and social welfare projects and programmes, specifically: Education and training, Health, Environment, Housing and urbanisation, Gender, children and social development, Youth and sports. Listers, tuendelee kuwakilisha. You can still raise your concerns on the vision, the foundations and the economic pillar (Day 1 and 2). Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:19:14 +0300 To: [email protected] Hi all, I just got home after a rather hectic day. I have seen your numerous questions and hope you will indulge my responding to the various questions and comments over the next 48 in no particular order. Regards, Mugo Sent from my iPad . -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lkimani%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Grace, Sorry, but I'm afraid what we pointed out seems to be lost in all this. Specifically speaking, there have been blue prints gathering dust on the shelves for ages, and it might just be that this is the time we are embarking on implementing some of them. Put in another way, we also gifted the blue prints to the Asian Tigers, 20-30 years ago and so we lost out in the ensuing race to develop. They are where they are and we are where we are right now, because of what they did and we did not. So of course, this cost us. One of the poignant lessons we must be prepared to learn and correct moving forward, are precisely these kind of misplaced priorities in the past. When we talk of "where did the rain start beating us", we must identify the leakage points on the roof and what caused them, scale up there and fix. Next , we'll put such measures in place that will ensure never again will we have a roof leaking above us.. I hope this explanation helps. Harry From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:34 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) Listers Thanks to all who have kept this debate going, and to Mugo for extending his time to elaborate, clarify and provide us with feedback on our queries. Highly appreciated. It is also good to know that the Vision 2030 Secretariat conducts annual reviews to prioritize flagship projects. This should be an opportunity for us to engage and also make suggestions on the reviews. Lucy, great suggestions that should provide for food for thought. Yawe, a good question not just for Mugo but for all development conscious Kenyans: where did we go wrong when we had the right agenda over 40 years ago? Could it be that we lost it as Walubengo avers, the moment we adopted corruption as a way of life? And what does this imply for vision 2030? Yes Harry, like PS Ndemo suggests, it is time to stop complaining (but you know we are Kenyans and must vent :)), and fetch those blue prints (maybe they are dusty, and thanks to Yawe for reminding us), re-evaluate them, align them with the current context, and most imporant IMPLEMENT. Aguyo, an opportunity right there for you to influence/participate in part of the implementation of the Vision 2030 as it continues to evolve. Mugo has extended that chance to you to provide your technical ideas on Vision 2030 and open data integration. PS Ndemo, not sure that your wonderful idea of having think tanks to provide analysis of candidates for leadership positions would be popular in particular with our politicians. Might be a long shot although we need this for vision 2030. That idea of restructring ourselves along the lines of complainers, analyzers and solution proposers should be food for thought to all of us. Can we be solution proposers? And listers, can we make IT suggestions to help strengthen the vision? A wonderful day to all of you. Rgds Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:59:14 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Bw. Mugo, Thanks for taking the time to address the issues raised so far. I would like add my pesa nane on the Vision 2030 Social Pillar which closely ties in with the Millenium Development Goals. From the MTP Report attached for listers, I was shocked to read that the Goal 5 "Improve Maternal Health" is one that is unachievable and actually increased from 414 in 2003 to 488 in 2009? Yet this is one that should be easier to address through education via social media through vehicles such as the digital villages to disseminate information on the importance of maternal health. Programs enlisting churches as partners in spreading the word and most importantly a concerted effort by the GOK in funding clinics that focus on providing healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children especially in rural areas. Numerous studies have shown that pregnant women who participate in similar programs have longer pregnancies leading to fewer premature births; have fewer low birth weight babies; experience fewer fetal and infant deaths since they seek prenatal care earlier in pregnancy and consume more of such key nutrients as iron, protein, calcium and Vitamin C. I found the report to be defeatist in the assessment of this particular goal and would hope for a re-evaluation and better planning in attaining the goal in a Vision 2030 kind of way:-) Lucy --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> wrote: From: Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 5:46 PM Bwana Kibati No problem at all and thanks informing us of when we are likely to hear from you. We understand that some days can just be too hectic. Please do respond to the various questions in whichever order you feel comfortable. After all, they are all interlinked, and I bet will still generate further debate. We will therefore continue with the discussion as we wait. Aguyo, critical question you raise. How will Vision 2030 use ICTs to inform the public on the status of flagship projects and their linkage to open data? Matunda the point you make that ICTs can be used by government for real time financial management to reduce leakage (kickbacks and price inflation) is interesting. We move on to Day 3 of this debate. We move onto the second pillar which is the Social Pillar. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/social The objective of the Social Pillar is to invest in the people of Kenya in order to improve the quality of life for all Kenyans by targeting a cross-section of human and social welfare projects and programmes, specifically: Education and training, Health, Environment, Housing and urbanisation, Gender, children and social development, Youth and sports. Listers, tuendelee kuwakilisha. You can still raise your concerns on the vision, the foundations and the economic pillar (Day 1 and 2). Rgds Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _____ CC: [email protected] From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:19:14 +0300 To: [email protected] Hi all, I just got home after a rather hectic day. I have seen your numerous questions and hope you will indulge my responding to the various questions and comments over the next 48 in no particular order. Regards, Mugo Sent from my iPad . -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] <http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or. ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lkimani%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hey, I know some Listers had proposed we keep religion out of the list but I cannot help but wish you all a Merry Christmas and pray for a prosperous new year! regards. walu.
Walu & Listers; I wish you and your families all the joys of Christmas and the holiday season, and health and happiness in the New Year. Lucy --- On Sat, 12/24/11, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote: From: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Merry Christmas and happy 2012 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Saturday, December 24, 2011, 4:31 AM Hey, I know some Listers had proposed we keep religion out of the list but I cannot help but wish you all a Merry Christmas and pray for a prosperous new year! regards. walu. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lkimani%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Many thanks Walu, Merry Christmas and a prosperous 2012 listers! On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Lucy Kimani <[email protected]> wrote:
*Walu & Listers;*
*I wish you and your families all the joys of Christmas and the holiday season, and health and happiness in the New Year.*
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*Lucy*
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From: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Merry Christmas and happy 2012 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Saturday, December 24, 2011, 4:31 AM
Hey,
I know some Listers had proposed we keep religion out of the list but I cannot help but wish you all a Merry Christmas and pray for a prosperous new year!
regards.
walu.
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From the Blackberry (forgive unintended mistakes). Grace, Allow me to wish everybody a prosperous 2012. My year did not end well having lost a dear friend and mentor, Prof. Donald Woods. I have followed the debate but I must say here that I was rather disappointed. Mugo is one of the most accomplished Kenyan having risen to the pinnacle of both Private and Public sectors in Kenya. I got the feeling that we treated him with kid gloves. I did not see any question with respect to our expectation of the public in achieving the vision. Let me elaborate what has happened in developed countries' guiding policies. Adam Smith thought that politics and the economics are two different activities. That economic activity happens whether you like it or not. That is how he came up with his "invincible hand" (you cannot quite see what guides business in a capitalist society) these thoughts guided especially the Western world between 1776 and 1920. There were many variants of this thinking. That is how Marx thought it cannot survive. And indeed it formented bad things such as slavery and extreme poverty. The separation of economics and politics ended with British economist, Kynes introduction of new thinking leaning more to social democracy arguing that the role of government was to manage the economy. That is how government intervention in business activity was introduced. Mainly the role of government here was to make laws of market economics and let the citizen do their thing. This thinking thrived for 40 years and led to great success when new thinking close to Adam Smith's emerged. Milton Friedman assisted by politicians Thatcher and Reagan. Instead of treating economics as a branch of politics they went the opposite and treated politics as a branch of economics. Deregulation set in and massive unemployment crept in. Enterprises made money and greed of couse set in. That is how the whole thing came crashing in 2009 and the rise of civil society's demand to occupy Wall Street. These two competing ideologies have have shaped Western Politics. We have for many years blindly followed the West and assumed our people understand this. Capitalism is not bad at all. It is the most adaptive ideology but yet the most misunderstood. Take The case of China and Russia. Both are under the assumption that they are opening up their economies to free market economy. China has been successful with a regulated capitalism whereas Russia's approach only led to creation of oligarchs and millions of the poor. Clearly in Kenya we need to define what we want. What we expect of the government. What we expect of the people. The private sector is not capable of exploiting the opportunities we have. If they were they could have invested in Energy. If they were they could have put their money in the fledgling ICT sector. Back to Mugo. Given the underlying ideological theories and the fact that our peoiple are unaware, what do we expect from the people of Kenya in achieving Vision 2030? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Grace Githaiga <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected]: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:33:52 To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 3) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
participants (7)
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Barrack Otieno -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Grace Githaiga -
Harry Delano -
Lucy Kimani -
Mugo Kibati -
Walubengo J