Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill?
Dear Colleagues, I have been a way from civilization, campaigning for the "Yes" katiba for sometime now. In fact I am not supposed to be in Nairobi City today but came back for the IGF. Engineer John Kariuki, please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding that it would be prudent to have FOI Act before the Data Protection one? Two weeks ago I ran into the AG in Parliament. I asked him if the FOI has been cleared and ready for presentation on the floor of the House. His answer was that the document is with the Ministry. Dr Ndemo, please advise. Kind regards Hon. James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo Sent from my iPad On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @ Ndemo, I hear you. We must also find a way to educate our Cabinet that the phrase "1 day in Politics is a long time" does apply more in ICTs than in politics...If they endorse an ICT bill discussed four years ago, the ICT terrain would have changed significantly to warrant a review of the earlier discussions... walu. --- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 4:03 PM Walibengo, I am equallly frustrated because it takes at least four years to go through Cabinet, AG's office and Parliament. These are processes beyond my control. Iy you recall, we merged the two FOIs, the Prof. Nyongo one and our own draft. We indeed agreed that I send to Cabinet. I have promised practically anyone I meet that the bill will soon be out of Cabinet soon. I am confident that it will happen one day since FOI for example is an agenda 4 item. Regards Ndemo.
Bwana PS,
true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has always been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which parts were ignored.
Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets to the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not "inclusive" enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly. At that level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to make changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level)
Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their original policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take the whole process back to square1.
So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the policy process rather than towards the end.
walu.
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM
We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies. We shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone through the first reading in Parliament.
Ndemo.
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Dear Edith,
Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures.
Enjoy your Furahi day all.
Kind regards
David
On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
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The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
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Hon. Rege, Indeed the AG cleared the Bill only to find out that the policy that developed it was not sufficient. We quickly developed the policy and sent it to Cabinet. It is waiting to go through the Cabinet Sub Committee Chaired by the PM before getting to Full Cabinet. I know you can push it through from where it is at the moment. Regards Ndemo.
Dear Colleagues, I have been a way from civilization, campaigning for the "Yes" katiba for sometime now. In fact I am not supposed to be in Nairobi City today but came back for the IGF. Engineer John Kariuki, please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding that it would be prudent to have FOI Act before the Data Protection one? Two weeks ago I ran into the AG in Parliament. I asked him if the FOI has been cleared and ready for presentation on the floor of the House. His answer was that the document is with the Ministry. Dr Ndemo, please advise.
Kind regards Hon. James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo
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On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@ Ndemo,
I hear you. We must also find a way to educate our Cabinet that the phrase "1 day in Politics is a long time" does apply more in ICTs than in politics...If they endorse an ICT bill discussed four years ago, the ICT terrain would have changed significantly to warrant a review of the earlier discussions...
walu.
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 4:03 PM
Walibengo, I am equallly frustrated because it takes at least four years to go through Cabinet, AG's office and Parliament. These are processes beyond my control.
Iy you recall, we merged the two FOIs, the Prof. Nyongo one and our own draft. We indeed agreed that I send to Cabinet. I have promised practically anyone I meet that the bill will soon be out of Cabinet soon. I am confident that it will happen one day since FOI for example is an agenda 4 item.
Regards
Ndemo.
Bwana PS,
true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has always been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which parts were ignored.
Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets to the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not "inclusive" enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly. At that level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to make changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level)
Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their original policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take the whole process back to square1.
So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the policy process rather than towards the end.
walu.
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM
We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies. We shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone through the first reading in Parliament.
Ndemo.
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Dear Edith,
Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures.
Enjoy your Furahi day all.
Kind regards
David
On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
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The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
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Hi Dr. Ndemo, The re-developed policy was never shared with stakeholders, at least as far as I can remember. Could you kindly share it. tm On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Hon. Rege, Indeed the AG cleared the Bill only to find out that the policy that developed it was not sufficient. We quickly developed the policy and sent it to Cabinet. It is waiting to go through the Cabinet Sub Committee Chaired by the PM before getting to Full Cabinet.
I know you can push it through from where it is at the moment.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dear Colleagues, I have been a way from civilization, campaigning for the "Yes" katiba for sometime now. In fact I am not supposed to be in Nairobi City today but came back for the IGF. Engineer John Kariuki, please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding that it would be prudent to have FOI Act before the Data Protection one? Two weeks ago I ran into the AG in Parliament. I asked him if the FOI has been cleared and ready for presentation on the floor of the House. His answer was that the document is with the Ministry. Dr Ndemo, please advise.
Kind regards Hon. James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo
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On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@ Ndemo,
I hear you. We must also find a way to educate our Cabinet that the phrase "1 day in Politics is a long time" does apply more in ICTs than in politics...If they endorse an ICT bill discussed four years ago, the ICT terrain would have changed significantly to warrant a review of the earlier discussions...
walu.
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 4:03 PM
Walibengo, I am equallly frustrated because it takes at least four years to go through Cabinet, AG's office and Parliament. These are processes beyond my control.
Iy you recall, we merged the two FOIs, the Prof. Nyongo one and our own draft. We indeed agreed that I send to Cabinet. I have promised practically anyone I meet that the bill will soon be out of Cabinet soon. I am confident that it will happen one day since FOI for example is an agenda 4 item.
Regards
Ndemo.
Bwana PS,
true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has always been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which parts were ignored.
Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets to the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not "inclusive" enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly. At that level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to make changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level)
Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their original policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take the whole process back to square1.
So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the policy process rather than towards the end.
walu.
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM
We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies. We shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone through the first reading in Parliament.
Ndemo.
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Dear Edith,
Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures.
Enjoy your Furahi day all.
Kind regards
David
On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
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The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
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Daktari, Am a little confused...how did the Bill reach that stage when not hinged on a sound policy? Just wondering aloud. Nyaki ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 11:23:06 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? Hon. Rege, Indeed the AG cleared the Bill only to find out that the policy that developed it was not sufficient. We quickly developed the policy and sent it to Cabinet. It is waiting to go through the Cabinet Sub Committee Chaired by the PM before getting to Full Cabinet. I know you can push it through from where it is at the moment. Regards Ndemo.
Dear Colleagues, I have been a way from civilization, campaigning for the "Yes" katiba for sometime now. In fact I am not supposed to be in Nairobi City today but came back for the IGF. Engineer John Kariuki, please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding that it would be prudent to have FOI Act before the Data Protection one? Two weeks ago I ran into the AG in Parliament. I asked him if the FOI has been cleared and ready for presentation on the floor of the House. His answer was that the document is with the Ministry. Dr Ndemo, please advise.
Kind regards Hon. James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@ Ndemo,
I hear you. We must also find a way to educate our Cabinet that the phrase "1 day in Politics is a long time" does apply more in ICTs than in politics...If they endorse an ICT bill discussed four years ago, the ICT terrain would have changed significantly to warrant a review of the earlier discussions...
walu.
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 4:03 PM
Walibengo, I am equallly frustrated because it takes at least four years to go through Cabinet, AG's office and Parliament. These are processes beyond my control.
Iy you recall, we merged the two FOIs, the Prof. Nyongo one and our own draft. We indeed agreed that I send to Cabinet. I have promised practically anyone I meet that the bill will soon be out of Cabinet soon. I am confident that it will happen one day since FOI for example is an agenda 4 item.
Regards
Ndemo.
Bwana PS,
true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has always been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which parts were ignored.
Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets to the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not "inclusive" enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly. At that level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to make changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level)
Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their original policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take the whole process back to square1.
So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the policy process rather than towards the end.
walu.
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM
We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies. We shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone through the first reading in Parliament.
Ndemo.
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Dear Edith,
Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures.
Enjoy your Furahi day all.
Kind regards
David
On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
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The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
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Dakitari, The original policy included all reform bills in the ICT sector including Media Act. The Nyon'go Bill made it that the policy had to be revised. You recall that as the Nyon'go Bill came to Parliament, we already had a Bill in the AG's office. The harmonised Bill made the previous policy statement irrelevant. Regards Ndemo.
Daktari,
Am a little confused...how did the Bill reach that stage when not hinged on a sound policy? Just wondering aloud.
Nyaki
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 11:23:06 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill?
Hon. Rege, Indeed the AG cleared the Bill only to find out that the policy that developed it was not sufficient. We quickly developed the policy and sent it to Cabinet. It is waiting to go through the Cabinet Sub Committee Chaired by the PM before getting to Full Cabinet.
I know you can push it through from where it is at the moment.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dear Colleagues, I have been a way from civilization, campaigning for the "Yes" katiba for sometime now. In fact I am not supposed to be in Nairobi City today but came back for the IGF. Engineer John Kariuki, please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding that it would be prudent to have FOI Act before the Data Protection one? Two weeks ago I ran into the AG in Parliament. I asked him if the FOI has been cleared and ready for presentation on the floor of the House. His answer was that the document is with the Ministry. Dr Ndemo, please advise.
Kind regards Hon. James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo
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On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@ Ndemo,
I hear you. We must also find a way to educate our Cabinet that the phrase "1 day in Politics is a long time" does apply more in ICTs than in politics...If they endorse an ICT bill discussed four years ago, the ICT terrain would have changed significantly to warrant a review of the earlier discussions...
walu.
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 4:03 PM
Walibengo, I am equallly frustrated because it takes at least four years to go through Cabinet, AG's office and Parliament. These are processes beyond my control.
Iy you recall, we merged the two FOIs, the Prof. Nyongo one and our own draft. We indeed agreed that I send to Cabinet. I have promised practically anyone I meet that the bill will soon be out of Cabinet soon. I am confident that it will happen one day since FOI for example is an agenda 4 item.
Regards
Ndemo.
Bwana PS,
true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has always been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which parts were ignored.
Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets to the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not "inclusive" enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly. At that level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to make changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level)
Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their original policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take the whole process back to square1.
So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the policy process rather than towards the end.
walu.
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM
We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies. We shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone through the first reading in Parliament.
Ndemo.
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Dear Edith,
Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per Parliamentary procedures.
Enjoy your Furahi day all.
Kind regards
David
On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Dr Ndemo,
Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a participatory process followed to draft it?
Edith
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The draft bill is in Cabinet.
Ndemo.
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