Goodyear to pay Sh1 billion for bribery in Kenya and Angola - News - nation.co.ke
How can we increase transparency & reduce bribery (manual transactions) in our society? #InnovKe http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Goodyear-Sh1-billion-fine-bribery-Kenya-Angola/...
And where are the criminal prosecutions on the Kenyan side of this case??? The Kenyans who took these bribes are getting charged or not? -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:32 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How can we increase transparency & reduce bribery (manual transactions) in our society? #InnovKe
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Goodyear-Sh1-billion-fine-bribery-Kenya-Angola/...
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How about the auditors on the Kenyan side? Were they not exposed to the books? Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
And where are the criminal prosecutions on the Kenyan side of this case???
The Kenyans who took these bribes are getting charged or not?
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:32 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How can we increase transparency & reduce bribery (manual transactions) in our society? #InnovKe
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Goodyear-Sh1-billion-fine-bribery-Kenya-Angola/...
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Those involved are way too powerful to be charged in court. These officers, both military and civilians, are too powerful to face any law. KACC does not have the teeth to bite them. The DPP will not dare. Now tell me who you expect to drag them to court and how - using what evidence. We can close the chapter now. On 25 February 2015 at 19:43, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How about the auditors on the Kenyan side? Were they not exposed to the books?
Regards
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*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
And where are the criminal prosecutions on the Kenyan side of this case???
The Kenyans who took these bribes are getting charged or not?
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:32 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How can we increase transparency & reduce bribery (manual transactions) in our society? #InnovKe
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Goodyear-Sh1-billion-fine-bribery-Kenya-Angola/...
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The evidence is all there in the US case. It's just a matter of finding a GoK prosecutor willing to do it ... -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Those involved are way too powerful to be charged in court.
These officers, both military and civilians, are too powerful to face any law.
KACC does not have the teeth to bite them.
The DPP will not dare.
Now tell me who you expect to drag them to court and how - using what evidence.
We can close the chapter now.
On 25 February 2015 at 19:43, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How about the auditors on the Kenyan side? Were they not exposed to the books?
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
And where are the criminal prosecutions on the Kenyan side of this case???
The Kenyans who took these bribes are getting charged or not?
-- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:32 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How can we increase transparency & reduce bribery (manual transactions) in our society? #InnovKe
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Goodyear-Sh1-billion-fine-bribery-Kenya-Angola/...
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@Washington There are some soft ways of dealing with corruption (including abuse of power) like passing laws (setting performance targets), all officials in charge of public institutions (including the police, army, judiciary) must adhere to. These include automating procurement and customer/citizen service systems and keeping these systems online (functional). If these performance targets are not met, these public officials will no longer be in a position to keep lowering our quality of lives. Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Those involved are way too powerful to be charged in court.
These officers, both military and civilians, are too powerful to face any law.
KACC does not have the teeth to bite them.
The DPP will not dare.
Now tell me who you expect to drag them to court and how - using what evidence.
We can close the chapter now.
On 25 February 2015 at 19:43, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How about the auditors on the Kenyan side? Were they not exposed to the books?
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
And where are the criminal prosecutions on the Kenyan side of this case???
The Kenyans who took these bribes are getting charged or not?
-- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:32 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How can we increase transparency & reduce bribery (manual transactions) in our society? #InnovKe
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Goodyear-Sh1-billion-fine-bribery-Kenya-Angola/...
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Adam, There is evidence in the UK too, about the chickengate. On 25 February 2015 at 21:48, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
@Washington There are some soft ways of dealing with corruption (including abuse of power) like passing laws (setting performance targets), all officials in charge of public institutions (including the police, army, judiciary) must adhere to. These include automating procurement and customer/citizen service systems and keeping these systems online (functional). If these performance targets are not met, these public officials will no longer be in a position to keep lowering our quality of lives.
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Those involved are way too powerful to be charged in court.
These officers, both military and civilians, are too powerful to face any law.
KACC does not have the teeth to bite them.
The DPP will not dare.
Now tell me who you expect to drag them to court and how - using what evidence.
We can close the chapter now.
On 25 February 2015 at 19:43, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How about the auditors on the Kenyan side? Were they not exposed to the books?
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
And where are the criminal prosecutions on the Kenyan side of this case???
The Kenyans who took these bribes are getting charged or not?
-- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:32 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How can we increase transparency & reduce bribery (manual transactions) in our society? #InnovKe
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Goodyear-Sh1-billion-fine-bribery-Kenya-Angola/...
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Again, we need to focus on solutions to motivate law enforcement... Like stories telling of police cases solved... focusing on diligent police work. This will motivate Gen Y to do better than us (Gen X). To execute justice. Why do we allow local drug lords to get away with killing innocent people? Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Adam,
There is evidence in the UK too, about the chickengate.
On 25 February 2015 at 21:48, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
@Washington There are some soft ways of dealing with corruption (including abuse of power) like passing laws (setting performance targets), all officials in charge of public institutions (including the police, army, judiciary) must adhere to. These include automating procurement and customer/citizen service systems and keeping these systems online (functional). If these performance targets are not met, these public officials will no longer be in a position to keep lowering our quality of lives.
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Those involved are way too powerful to be charged in court.
These officers, both military and civilians, are too powerful to face any law.
KACC does not have the teeth to bite them.
The DPP will not dare.
Now tell me who you expect to drag them to court and how - using what evidence.
We can close the chapter now.
On 25 February 2015 at 19:43, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How about the auditors on the Kenyan side? Were they not exposed to the books?
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
And where are the criminal prosecutions on the Kenyan side of this case???
The Kenyans who took these bribes are getting charged or not?
-- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:32 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How can we increase transparency & reduce bribery (manual transactions) in our society? #InnovKe
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Goodyear-Sh1-billion-fine-bribery-Kenya-Angola/...
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The state of justice in Kenya can be aptly summarised in this article where a driver handcuffed to a steering wheel of a truck he was driving run over and killed a woman. http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/meru/lorry-driver-Handcuffed-causes-acciden... There is a strong vested interest for the rule of law to remain as it is in Kenya, yet the current status is costly for majority of the country since there is absence of law and order, meaning that businesses have to foot related costs and have to suffer from delays occasioned by the same. On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 at 12:02 S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Again, we need to focus on solutions to motivate law enforcement...
Like stories telling of police cases solved... focusing on diligent police work.
This will motivate Gen Y to do better than us (Gen X). To execute justice.
Why do we allow local drug lords to get away with killing innocent people?
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Adam,
There is evidence in the UK too, about the chickengate.
On 25 February 2015 at 21:48, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
@Washington There are some soft ways of dealing with corruption (including abuse of power) like passing laws (setting performance targets), all officials in charge of public institutions (including the police, army, judiciary) must adhere to. These include automating procurement and customer/citizen service systems and keeping these systems online (functional). If these performance targets are not met, these public officials will no longer be in a position to keep lowering our quality of lives.
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
Those involved are way too powerful to be charged in court.
These officers, both military and civilians, are too powerful to face any law.
KACC does not have the teeth to bite them.
The DPP will not dare.
Now tell me who you expect to drag them to court and how - using what evidence.
We can close the chapter now.
On 25 February 2015 at 19:43, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How about the auditors on the Kenyan side? Were they not exposed to the books?
Regards
Murigi / Stanley Muraya
*"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32*
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
And where are the criminal prosecutions on the Kenyan side of this case???
The Kenyans who took these bribes are getting charged or not?
-- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:32 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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If you interact with cops long enough in Kenya, you realize there are two sides of them. A "schizo" side.... Most cops actually sincerely hate criminals, but spare them for a while to extort (steal from) them before execution. Problem is when they start framing innocent citizens, like the family of a minor raped recently by a police inspector. Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The state of justice in Kenya can be aptly summarised in this article where a driver handcuffed to a steering wheel of a truck he was driving run over and killed a woman. http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/meru/lorry-driver-Handcuffed-causes-acciden...
There is a strong vested interest for the rule of law to remain as it is in Kenya, yet the current status is costly for majority of the country since there is absence of law and order, meaning that businesses have to foot related costs and have to suffer from delays occasioned by the same.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 at 12:02 S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Again, we need to focus on solutions to motivate law enforcement...
Like stories telling of police cases solved... focusing on diligent police work.
This will motivate Gen Y to do better than us (Gen X). To execute justice.
Why do we allow local drug lords to get away with killing innocent people?
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Adam,
There is evidence in the UK too, about the chickengate.
On 25 February 2015 at 21:48, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
@Washington There are some soft ways of dealing with corruption (including abuse of power) like passing laws (setting performance targets), all officials in charge of public institutions (including the police, army, judiciary) must adhere to. These include automating procurement and customer/citizen service systems and keeping these systems online (functional). If these performance targets are not met, these public officials will no longer be in a position to keep lowering our quality of lives.
Regards
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Those involved are way too powerful to be charged in court.
These officers, both military and civilians, are too powerful to face any law.
KACC does not have the teeth to bite them.
The DPP will not dare.
Now tell me who you expect to drag them to court and how - using what evidence.
We can close the chapter now.
On 25 February 2015 at 19:43, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
How about the auditors on the Kenyan side? Were they not exposed to the books?
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
> And where are the criminal prosecutions on the Kenyan side of this > case??? > > The Kenyans who took these bribes are getting charged or not? > > -- > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> > More Musings: varud.com > About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:32 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> How can we increase transparency & reduce bribery (manual >> transactions) in our society? #InnovKe >> >> >> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Goodyear-Sh1-billion-fine-bribery-Kenya-Angola/... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/adam%40varud.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> > >
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There is an old saying " the people get the leaders they deserve". We tolerate a lot of mediocrity. At the same time the corrupt in leadership are a reflection of the entire society. In 2002, we had a huge number of civil society activists join government in very senior positions. After a years in power, we could not differentiate them from the Moi era cleptomaniacs. There is no silver bullet out there, unless we change personal ethics we espouse.
Mwendwa, a more modern saying states that a nation will vote for leaders that represent the majority, hence a nation of average people vote for average leaders. A reminder that our education system remains broken, with only a few benefitting from actual primary and high school education. Many barely get through with some education, and about 200,000 of 800,000 - 1,000,000 are lost after KCPE (and poor Free Primary Education) to lack of High School slots. It doesn't help the poor appreciate shiny projects and cash handouts than High Schools and Hospitals, whose benefits aren't apparent in the short term. As for activists, the founder of the Institute of Economic Affairs, and the author of the Road to Serfdorm, wanted to fix politics by becoming a politician. A university professor convinced him that that wouldn't work, and his best short was from outside parliament. If he joined politics, he would behave like the average politician(happens in most countries). Proof locally is that despite many brilliant lawyers being Kenyan MPs, parliament still passes laws that contravene the Constitution and other laws. So, the chap I'm referring to ended up forming the Institute of Economic Affairs, a think tank that is credited with shaping Margaret Thatcher. If it weren't for Thatcher, Britain would not be the economic giant it is today. Having not suffered much from wars and recession, unlike Germany which is now Europe's largest economy, most lobbies and cartels had remained intact through the years, and were broken down by Thatcherism. Countries rarely transform without massive shocks, like Kenya's post election violence and a new constitution that promotes technocratic state institutions rather than state institutions revolving around a powerful presidency ( who is under political pressure to tamper with state institutions). Lobbies, Cartel, oligopolies and Unions cost a country much by encouraging a status quo of inefficiencies ( see taxi lobbies/unions vs Uber/other taxi apps). Thus, to cut a long story short, the best shot for civil society remains outside government. They should leave politicking to politicians. Secondly, Kenya badly needs to fix the gaps in "K1 - K12" education, otherwise the less educated will pull us down. More education means higher incomes which means more spenders which means larger economy. On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 12:39 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
There is an old saying " the people get the leaders they deserve". We tolerate a lot of mediocrity. At the same time the corrupt in leadership are a reflection of the entire society. In 2002, we had a huge number of civil society activists join government in very senior positions. After a years in power, we could not differentiate them from the Moi era cleptomaniacs.
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That being said, Army expenditure remains a closely guarded govt secret. This tires saga is a milk cow for an MP's committee being fattened for its day in front of cameras.. *Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up, It knows it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed. Every morning a lion wakes up, it knows it must outrun the slowest gazelle or it will starve to death. It doesn't matter whether you are a gazelle or a lion. When the sun comes up, you better start running. - In "The World is Flat" by Thomas L. Friedman.* On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Mwendwa, a more modern saying states that a nation will vote for leaders that represent the majority, hence a nation of average people vote for average leaders.
A reminder that our education system remains broken, with only a few benefitting from actual primary and high school education.
Many barely get through with some education, and about 200,000 of 800,000 - 1,000,000 are lost after KCPE (and poor Free Primary Education) to lack of High School slots.
It doesn't help the poor appreciate shiny projects and cash handouts than High Schools and Hospitals, whose benefits aren't apparent in the short term.
As for activists, the founder of the Institute of Economic Affairs, and the author of the Road to Serfdorm, wanted to fix politics by becoming a politician.
A university professor convinced him that that wouldn't work, and his best short was from outside parliament.
If he joined politics, he would behave like the average politician(happens in most countries). Proof locally is that despite many brilliant lawyers being Kenyan MPs, parliament still passes laws that contravene the Constitution and other laws.
So, the chap I'm referring to ended up forming the Institute of Economic Affairs, a think tank that is credited with shaping Margaret Thatcher.
If it weren't for Thatcher, Britain would not be the economic giant it is today. Having not suffered much from wars and recession, unlike Germany which is now Europe's largest economy, most lobbies and cartels had remained intact through the years, and were broken down by Thatcherism.
Countries rarely transform without massive shocks, like Kenya's post election violence and a new constitution that promotes technocratic state institutions rather than state institutions revolving around a powerful presidency ( who is under political pressure to tamper with state institutions).
Lobbies, Cartel, oligopolies and Unions cost a country much by encouraging a status quo of inefficiencies ( see taxi lobbies/unions vs Uber/other taxi apps).
Thus, to cut a long story short, the best shot for civil society remains outside government. They should leave politicking to politicians.
Secondly, Kenya badly needs to fix the gaps in "K1 - K12" education, otherwise the less educated will pull us down. More education means higher incomes which means more spenders which means larger economy.
On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 12:39 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
There is an old saying " the people get the leaders they deserve". We tolerate a lot of mediocrity. At the same time the corrupt in leadership are a reflection of the entire society. In 2002, we had a huge number of civil society activists join government in very senior positions. After a years in power, we could not differentiate them from the Moi era cleptomaniacs.
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Mwendwa Kivuva -
Odhiambo Washington -
Peter Wakaba -
S.M. Muraya