Re: [kictanet] Our Response to Systematic ICT Systems Failure at
So...when all is said and done, can we in a point format (an I mean 1, 2, 3....n) format list what we need to do and get started in doing it? I will start: Consolidate all the ICT /quasi-ICT associations into 1 formidable organization. In that process, define the working modalities, mandates, etc of the organization Set timelines on when and how the above will happenThe rest will follow naturally - oh....and we all promise to check our selfish peculiar habits at the door for the sake of the industry. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: harry@comtelsys.co.keTo: eonchari@lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/13/13 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Our Response to Systematic ICT Systems Failure at Aye..! Dear Edith, Actually, on the contrary, I was one very vocal Kenyan, about the issue last week.. You do not remember..? Maybe the gist of what I raised as a pertinent issue in my earlier email got lost somewhere within. So again, here, my rejoinder. 1. The IEBC ICT systems failed last week during a very crucial national process We all agree they failed, and so spectacularly for that matter. 2. We on the list here, were up in arms - some highlighting, criticizing, demanding answers, and an audit of the happenings on the ICT front of the process, and some coming to its defense 3. Were we fronting different positions, only based on how each of our candidates was performing in the tallying process, or it was to deal with an anomaly irrespective..? Is it for the love of country, or love of self, me, us and I..? 4. We loosely agreed for a post-election audit, but quickly the issue fizzled out. The main process was concluded, putting the matter to rest, so it seems. No follow-up mechanism in place etcetra. Thankfully Brian, just indicated a discussion will be held on the issue. But we may need a credible, independent body/ taskforce to deal with the issue and report back to Kenyans. 5. Early this week saw the list jump to another component of this national process The media. Again, one cannot help but see the divergent views taking a tangent thats all too familiar. Again, this will fizzle out once positions are firmly cemented in place and the whole issue will come to naught. Do we seem to have a diversionary streak in us..? What is it thats our main undoing..? 1. We have deep seated and deep rooted issues, within us that inform the divergent views/opinions/positions we hold and a two-year old will have little difficulty seeing through the masks we put on. 2. We talk a lot. On the list, in our gatherings, streets, villages everywhere. But we need to really put mechanisms in place to go beyond the talk-shop. Can we start on this list. 3. Lets be unselfish and strive to consider and front country and each other first and we will progress much, much more. Harry We need to take a lead on matters ICT that affect this nation, based on principle/substance and avoid at all costs taking divergent opposing positions that best answer to the Question, - what is in it for me/us ( read partisan). From: Edith Adera [mailto:eadera@idrc.ca] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:35 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: RE: [kictanet] Our Response to Systematic ICT Systems Failure at IEBC Harry, Not sure you were in Kenya or buried your head in the sand! Its a fact that the system did not work and IEBC had to revert to the manual system as reported by the Chair of the IEBC on TV. We need to learn to tell the truth as a country and confront our issues. Someone suggested on this list, cant remember who, that as an ICT industry an audit should be carried out so we know what went wrong and learn for the future. Why do we always turn to the easy targets .tribalism, partisan interests etc when hard questions are asked? Edith From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: March 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Our Response to Systematic ICT Systems Failure at IEBC Aye..! Could someone please aver what the furor was all about on this list when systems failed at IEBC last week. I thought it was so that we could address systemic issues in that part of the election process..? Please someone correct me, but I seem to be settling on this conclusion that we collectively only raise hue and cry when the system(s) are perceived to be working against us, or not in our interests whichever side of divide each one of us sits. Once they serve our interests, we quickly move on.. So where is posterity in all this..? A pattern emerges where well calculated intellectual arguments everywhere nowadays, that thinly veil and mask the real motives in us. We completely bury our heads in the ground and deny that we have deeply rooted issues that stem from tribe, class etc and as a result, we are caught up in this vicious cycle that we cannot seem to free ourselves from and which clouds our entire vision as a nation. Who will free us, if we do not take initiative ourselves..? How and when will we as a nation confront this monster head on, by first of all acknowledging it exists. Then moving to deal with it. Can this list be at the forefront of it..? If so, lets start now.. Harry
Been reading the debates. For some reason some of my emails did not get here. Just to comment on Walu's mail on the short timeline. Sorry to play devil's advocate but aren't some of these actions deliberate? If not, what possible good explanation can there be for doing such important things in the last minute? Regards, Gilda Odera On Mar 13, 2013, at 7:50 AM, eonchari@lynxbits.com wrote:
So...when all is said and done, can we in a point format (an I mean 1, 2, 3....n) format list what we need to do and get started in doing it? I will start:
Consolidate all the ICT /quasi-ICT associations into 1 formidable organization. In that process, define the working modalities, mandates, etc of the organization Set timelines on when and how the above will happen The rest will follow naturally - oh....and we all promise to check our selfish peculiar habits at the door for the sake of the industry. Edwin
----- Original Message ----- From: harry@comtelsys.co.ke To: eonchari@lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/13/13 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Our Response to Systematic ICT Systems Failure at
Aye..!
Dear Edith,
Actually, on the contrary, I was one very vocal Kenyan, about the issue last week.. You do not remember..? Maybe the gist of what I raised as a pertinent issue in my earlier email got lost somewhere within. So again, here, my rejoinder.
1. The IEBC ICT systems failed last week during a very crucial national process – We all agree they failed, and so spectacularly for that matter.
2. We on the list here, were up in arms - some highlighting, criti cizing, demanding answers, and an audit of the happenings on the ICT front of the process, and some coming to its defense
3. Were we fronting different positions, only based on how each of our candidates was performing in the tallying process, or it was to deal with an anomaly – irrespective..? Is it for the love of country, or love of self, me, us and I..?
4. &nb sp; We loosely agreed for a post-election audit, but quickly the issue fizzled out. The main process was concluded, putting the matter to rest, so it seems. No follow-up mechanism in place etcetra. Thankfully Brian, just indicated a discussion will be held on the issue. But we may need a credible, independent body/ taskforce to deal with the issue and report back to Kenyans.
5. Early this week saw the list jump to another component of this national process – The media. Again, one cannot help but see the divergent views taking a tangent t hat’s all too familiar. Again, this will fizzle out once positions are firmly cemented in place and the whole issue will come to naught. Do we seem to have a diversionary streak in us..?
What is it that’s our main undoing..?
1. We have deep seated and deep rooted issues, within us that inform the divergent views/opinions/positions we hold and a two-year old will have little difficulty seeing through the masks we put on.
2. We talk a lot. On the list, in our gatherings, streets, villages – everywhere. But we need to really put mechanisms in place to go beyond the ‘talk-shop’. Can we start on this list.
3. Let’s be unselfish and strive to consider and front country and each other – first and we will progress much, much more.
Harry
We need to take a lead on matters ICT that affect this nation, based on principle/substance and avoid at all costs taking divergent opposing positions that best answer to the
Question, - what is in it for me/us ( read – partisan).
From: Edith Adera [mailto:eadera@idrc.ca] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:35 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: RE: [kictanet] Our Response to Systematic ICT Systems Failure at IEBC
Harry,
Not sure you were in Kenya or buried your head in the sand!
It’s a fact that the system did not work and IEBC had to revert to the manual system as reported by the Chair of the IEBC on TV.
We need to learn to tell the truth as a country and confront our issues. Someone suggested on this list, can’t remember who, that as an ICT industry an audit should be carried out so we know what went wrong and learn for the future.
Why do we always turn to the easy targets….tribalism, partisan interests etc when hard questions are asked?
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: March 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Our Response to Systematic ICT Systems Failure at IEBC
Aye..!
Could someone please aver what the furor was all about on this list when systems failed at IEBC last week. I thought it was so that
we could address systemic issues in that part of the election process..? Please someone correct me, but I seem to be settling on
this conclusion that we collectively only raise hue and cry when the system(s) are perceived to be working against “us”, or not in
“our” interests – whichever side of divide each one of us sits. Once they serve ‘our’ interests, we quickly move on.. So where is
posterity in all this..? A pattern emerges where well calculated intellectual arguments everywhere nowadays, that thinly veil and
mask the real motives in us. We completely bury our heads in the ground and deny that we have deeply rooted issues that stem
from tribe, class etc and as a result, we are caught up in this vicious cycle that we cannot seem to free ourselves from and which
clouds our entire vision as a nation. Who will free us, if we do not take initiative ourselves..? How and when will we as a nation
confront this ‘monster’ head on, by first of all acknowledging it exists. Then moving to deal with it. Can this list be at the forefront
of it..?
If so, let’s start now..
Harry
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