Govt to start phone tapping in war on counterfeit trade - Daily Nation
Listers From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions. The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers. Read on:- http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phone-tapping/1056-3... Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
Ali, Sometimes you would hope it's bad journalism and in a tabloid, then it hits you; it's actually on the Daily Nation. CA, what nerve! On 17 Feb 2017 5:36 a.m., "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.
Read on:- http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start- phone-tapping/1056-3816372-m5vnfx/index.html
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But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done? The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is the Type Approval Regulations, 2010. If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a right like privacy? Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening??? On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.
Read on:- http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start- phone-tapping/1056-3816372-m5vnfx/index.html
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What actually shocks me is the dishonesty of all this. We had engaged CA a few weeks ago and the denials were clear... CA, please help us understand this... Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
On 17 Feb 2017, at 9:27 AM, Grace B <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done? The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is the Type Approval Regulations, 2010. If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a right like privacy? Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening???
On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Listers
From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.
Read on:-
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phone-tapping/1056-3...
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Listers, There is no dishonesty here Ali. This is a case of blatant misrepresentation which we shall be addressing shortly. As I indicated earlier through this list, the DMS is not intrusive and therefore does not infringe on the privacy of mobile telecommunications users. We shall be sharing a comprehensive statement on the system shortly. Best regards Christopher Wambua Ag. Director/Consumer and Public Affairs | Consumer and Public Affairs [cid:BD5CCCCB-D595-4E49-81A7-9041EBEAF34A] Tel: +254 20 4242000/209 Mobile: +254 703 042209/ +254 730172209 P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800 [cid:226242BC-78A2-4B15-9B7F-15A1D8F75853]wambua@ca.go.ke<mailto:wambua@ca.go.ke> [cid:DE6C2B93-AFD9-4365-9C00-D591C2FEFAEF] Communications Authority of Kenya<https://www.facebook.com/CAOKenya?ref=hl> [cid:2B6328FB-4542-41CC-AA39-A2008C365CAD] ca_kenya <https://twitter.com/CA_Kenya> [cid:04576E90-6F27-4CF0-BB41-E91D66CBCDD8] www.ca.go.ke <http://www.ca.go.ke/> [cid:7EB4A863-6A5E-4C89-84E1-082A4BA5C6CC] Disclaimer: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use by the individual(s) or entity to whom?it is addressed to. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action ?in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. Additionally, if you have received this email in error please notify the sender ?immediately by a reply e-mail. [cid:D1BD7EC6-8484-4EC6-BB2E-12549709BD75] From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+wambua=ca.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet-bounces+wambua=ca.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> on behalf of KICTAnet Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Reply-To: KICTAnet Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Date: Friday, February 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM To: Christoper Wambua <wambua@ca.go.ke<mailto:wambua@ca.go.ke>> Cc: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke<mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke>>, ISOC Kenya Chapter <isoc@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:isoc@lists.my.co.ke>>, KICTAnet Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [isoc_ke] Govt to start phone tapping in war on counterfeit trade - Daily Nation What actually shocks me is the dishonesty of all this. We had engaged CA a few weeks ago and the denials were clear... CA, please help us understand this... Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 17 Feb 2017, at 9:27 AM, Grace B <nmutungu@gmail.com<mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com>> wrote: But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done? The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is the Type Approval Regulations, 2010. If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a right like privacy? Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening??? On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:isoc@lists.my.co.ke>> wrote: Listers
From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers. Read on:- http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phone-tapping/1056-3... Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113<tel:+254%20713%20601113> Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:isoc@lists.my.co.ke> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
Dear listers, We are aware about the misleading reports in the media. The Authority will address the media shortly to clarify and explain how the system works. There is no infringement of privacy. As a matter of fact, no information leaves the MNOs. Instead the system queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy? We will share the statement with you to help all of you understand. No one needs to be instilled with fear that is generated by parties with vested interests. we want to eliminate illegal telecoms traffic through SIM boxing, counterfeit devices, substandard devices etc, for your good as the public. Not the other way as portrayed in the media. Rachel Sent from my iPad On Feb 17, 2017, at 09:43, Grace B via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done? The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is the Type Approval Regulations, 2010. If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a right like privacy? Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening??? On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:isoc@lists.my.co.ke>> wrote: Listers
From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers. Read on:- http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phone-tapping/1056-3... Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113<tel:+254%20713%20601113> Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:isoc@lists.my.co.ke> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alwala%40ca.go.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Alwala, Just this statement alone raises serious privacy concerns. "...Instead the system queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy?...." Because it means that CA will then decide what the query will be, which opens a very large pandoras box as " Select ALL from DEVICES could very easily be changed to something more nefarious" Ideally, you ought to state *what* data you require from the MNOs and then they will provide you with exactly that data and nothing else! I am sure, if you asked for data that they thought was illegal, then would flag this. Regards On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Alwala, Rachel via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
We are aware about the misleading reports in the media. The Authority will address the media shortly to clarify and explain how the system works. There is no infringement of privacy. As a matter of fact, no information leaves the MNOs. Instead the system queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy?
We will share the statement with you to help all of you understand. No one needs to be instilled with fear that is generated by parties with vested interests. we want to eliminate illegal telecoms traffic through SIM boxing, counterfeit devices, substandard devices etc, for your good as the public. Not the other way as portrayed in the media.
Rachel
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On Feb 17, 2017, at 09:43, Grace B via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done? The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is the Type Approval Regulations, 2010. If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a right like privacy? Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening??? On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.
Read on:- http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phon e-tapping/1056-3816372-m5vnfx/index.html
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A lot of clarification is needed on this as to what exactly the government will be fetching from the MNOs. Is it calls, texts, IMSIs, IMEIs etc And if so what will the CA be doing with all those to be able to determine what a rogue phone is and what is not. I mean people are still doing sim swaps and making things look legit. Terrorists are buying phones and registering sim cards looking legit with the look of things. I am really curious as to how this is going to help the public other than infringing privacy. ~ze3D~ On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Alwala,
Just this statement alone raises serious privacy concerns.
"...Instead the system queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy?...."
Because it means that CA will then decide what the query will be, which opens a very large pandoras box as " Select ALL from DEVICES could very easily be changed to something more nefarious"
Ideally, you ought to state *what* data you require from the MNOs and then they will provide you with exactly that data and nothing else! I am sure, if you asked for data that they thought was illegal, then would flag this.
Regards
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Alwala, Rachel via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
We are aware about the misleading reports in the media. The Authority will address the media shortly to clarify and explain how the system works. There is no infringement of privacy. As a matter of fact, no information leaves the MNOs. Instead the system queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy?
We will share the statement with you to help all of you understand. No one needs to be instilled with fear that is generated by parties with vested interests. we want to eliminate illegal telecoms traffic through SIM boxing, counterfeit devices, substandard devices etc, for your good as the public. Not the other way as portrayed in the media.
Rachel
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On Feb 17, 2017, at 09:43, Grace B via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done? The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is the Type Approval Regulations, 2010. If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a right like privacy? Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening??? On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.
Read on:- http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phon e-tapping/1056-3816372-m5vnfx/index.html
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As much as we are quick to blame the media for "sensationalizing and wrong reporting" CA should communicate clearly beforehand i.e during the decision making stage to address any issues that the stakeholders might have as opposed to communicating during implementation stage or as a measure to clear issues reported by media. Secondly, regardless of the reasons advanced, there seems to be blurred lines as details of the transaction are scanty at best and raise questions *"from the CA twitter handle: ...implementation of the DMS involves mobile operators, CA and other government agencies"* Which other government agencies and what is their role?? Details of the role of the alleged principal contractor; Broadband Communications Networks Ltd? Mobile service providers need to give their take on the same as the public has a direct contract with them and if any future intermediary liabilities were to result they would be caught in the middle. This also highlights the need for data protection laws to provide parameters for data collection as opposed to the current self regulation* where decisions regarding data collection are made in board rooms and the public only gets to know about them at the implementation stage. The lack of data protection laws also serves to put the public at a constant defense hence the reaction resulting from the article. Regards, Esther Kamande Advocate | Policy Analyst Twitter: @enkamande On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Alwala,
Just this statement alone raises serious privacy concerns.
"...Instead the system queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy?...."
Because it means that CA will then decide what the query will be, which opens a very large pandoras box as " Select ALL from DEVICES could very easily be changed to something more nefarious"
Ideally, you ought to state *what* data you require from the MNOs and then they will provide you with exactly that data and nothing else! I am sure, if you asked for data that they thought was illegal, then would flag this.
Regards
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Alwala, Rachel via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
We are aware about the misleading reports in the media. The Authority will address the media shortly to clarify and explain how the system works. There is no infringement of privacy. As a matter of fact, no information leaves the MNOs. Instead the system queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy?
We will share the statement with you to help all of you understand. No one needs to be instilled with fear that is generated by parties with vested interests. we want to eliminate illegal telecoms traffic through SIM boxing, counterfeit devices, substandard devices etc, for your good as the public. Not the other way as portrayed in the media.
Rachel
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 17, 2017, at 09:43, Grace B via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done? The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is the Type Approval Regulations, 2010. If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a right like privacy? Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening??? On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.
Read on:- http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phon e-tapping/1056-3816372-m5vnfx/index.html
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Dear Esther, I totally agree with you. I shudder to think what other uses the data mentioned could be used for. I reiterate your point that data privacy laws are required now more than ever and we as the ICT fraternity must take the lead to ensure these laws see the light of day! Anything that can create sneak peek into a personal device is a portal into one's entire life and this must be safeguarded in the highest level possible. Kind regards, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate-Fintech and ICT Policy On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 at 18:51 esther kamande via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
As much as we are
quick to blame the media for "sensationalizing and wrong reporting"
CA should communicate clearly beforehand i.e during the decision making stage to address any issues
that the stakeholders might have as opposed to communicating during implementation stage or as a measure to clear issues reported by media.
Secondly, regardless
of the reasons advanced, there seems to be blurred lines as details of the
transaction are scanty at best and raise questions
*"from the CA twitterhandle: ...implementation of the DMS involves mobile operators,CA and other government agencies"*
Which other government
agencies and what is their role?? Details of the role of the alleged principal contractor; Broadband
Communications Networks Ltd?
Mobile service
providers need to give their take on the same as the public has a direct
contract with them and if any future intermediary liabilities were to
result they would be caught in the middle.
This also highlights the need for data protection laws to provide parameters for data
collection as opposed to the current self regulation* where
decisions regarding data collection are made in board rooms and the public
only gets to know about them at the implementation stage. The lack of data protection laws also serves to put the public at a constant defense hence the reaction resulting from the article.
Regards,
Esther Kamande
Advocate | Policy Analyst
Twitter: @enkamande
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Alwala,
Just this statement alone raises serious privacy concerns.
"...Instead the system queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy?...."
Because it means that CA will then decide what the query will be, which opens a very large pandoras box as " Select ALL from DEVICES could very easily be changed to something more nefarious"
Ideally, you ought to state *what* data you require from the MNOs and then they will provide you with exactly that data and nothing else! I am sure, if you asked for data that they thought was illegal, then would flag this.
Regards
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Alwala, Rachel via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
We are aware about the misleading reports in the media. The Authority will address the media shortly to clarify and explain how the system works. There is no infringement of privacy. As a matter of fact, no information leaves the MNOs. Instead the system
queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy?
We will share the statement with you to help all of you understand. No one needs to be instilled with fear that is generated by parties with vested interests. we want to eliminate illegal telecoms traffic through SIM boxing, counterfeit devices, substandard
devices etc, for your good as the public. Not the other way as portrayed in the media.
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On Feb 17, 2017, at 09:43, Grace B via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done?
The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is the Type Approval Regulations, 2010.
If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a right like privacy?
Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening???
On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.
Read on:-
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phone-tapping/1056-3...
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Rachel, Wambua Thank you for your prompt response. However, other than take your word for it it would also be prudent for the Telcos (Safaricom, Orange, Airtel) to also let us know their thoughts on this without fear of being victimized. Steve? Anyone from Orange here with authority to speak? How about Airtel? Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
On 17 Feb 2017, at 10:02 AM, Alwala, Rachel via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear listers,
We are aware about the misleading reports in the media. The Authority will address the media shortly to clarify and explain how the system works. There is no infringement of privacy. As a matter of fact, no information leaves the MNOs. Instead the system queries the databases (whitelist, type approved devices etc) to determine the genuineness of a device before service is given. What part of that is infringement of privacy?
We will share the statement with you to help all of you understand. No one needs to be instilled with fear that is generated by parties with vested interests. we want to eliminate illegal telecoms traffic through SIM boxing, counterfeit devices, substandard devices etc, for your good as the public. Not the other way as portrayed in the media.
Rachel
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On Feb 17, 2017, at 09:43, Grace B via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But on what legal basis is the phone tapping being done? The closest connection I can see to the issue of counterfeit devices is the Type Approval Regulations, 2010. If this is the basis, how can subsidiary legislation be used to limit a right like privacy? Could CA clarify on what basis this is happening???
On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Listers
From Tuesday, the government wants to be allowed to listen to your calls, read your texts and review your mobile money transactions.
The government, through the Communications Authority of Kenya, has ordered mobile phone companies to allow it to tap their computers.
Read on:-
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Government-likely-to-start-phone-tapping/1056-3...
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113
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Ngigi Waithaka -
Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu -
Wambua, Christopher