Evans, I agree with you. Much as we are ahead of others in the continent, let us not blind ourselves with that. We must use the highest benchmark and aim much higher. It is true, we ought to be so much further, considering our capabilities.We have a lot of catching up to do- a great deal of it too! Regards, Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Evans Ikua To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Thika Road Debate Daktari, I beg to disagree with your statement that Kenya is a very advanced country in many respects. I would say that we are about 50 years behind where we should be. The roads that we are now building should have been done in the 60s. For instance, how do you say that we are advanced when we cant even get water to our houses in the capital city? Where I live, we get water once a week when we are lucky. And that is supposed to be a middle class housing estate in the capital city? I know many other places where they are not so lucky. Just look at our roads in Nairobi (dont even go to Moyale). Have they repaired the roads in Westlands? We have pot holes in the CBD of Nairobi! Even smaller banana republics in Africa have smoother roads. We have sewage spewing out of manholes all over. Our people are dying of hunger, whether it rains or shines. Public hospitals are a shame. Public transport is a disaster. But we are used to all that! While we may be doing better than several of our neighbours, that is basically our biggest problem. We compare ourselves with Somalia and we call ourselves advanced! Evans On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:44 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote: Overall I think Mr Gaitho is right. Kenya is a very advanced country in many respects but the poor roads are an enigma. One does not need to go far. I was impressed with the roads in Addis Ababa. Someone told me that the Addis-Moyale road is tarmacked smooth while the Nairobi-Moyale one, which is shorter, is not. One factual correction though, The Kenya Rural Roads Authority and Kenya Urban Roads Authority are not under the purvue of Eng. Kidenda. He is in charge only of the Kenya National Highways Authority. Waudo On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 06:29 PM, Grace Githaiga wrote: Listers I think Macharia Gaitho is referring to our discussions on roads. For those who missed, the link posted below. Let’s not gloat about building great roads until we venture out of Kenya http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1435452/-/lqcdb7z/-/index.html Rgds GG _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.... 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@ Rad¡ My 2 cents would be simple: We are a nation that likes duplicating things around, not just in the public service, but also in the private world. The government has numerous overlapping departments at its disposal. For instance the Health ( Ministry of Public Health and Sanitation and Ministry of Medical Services); Education (Min of Education(?) and Min of Higher Education) etc; in private sector Media(KUJ and a conglomerate of associations for media for women only etc) and others. I think we are just good at outdoing each others instead of improving the existing bodies. @Evans, It's pity when we just look at Somalia and whoop! We say we are developed. So pitiful. On 27/06/2012, K Machuhi <[email protected]> wrote:

Great roads in the moon and mars do not help me.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Gilda Odera <[email protected]> wrote:

...

** Evans,

I agree with you. Much as we are ahead of others in the continent, let us not blind ourselves with that. We must use the highest benchmark and aim much higher. It is true, we ought to be so much further, considering our capabilities.We have a lot of catching up to do- a great deal of it too!

Regards,

Gilda

----- Original Message ----- *From:* Evans Ikua <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:50 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Thika Road Debate

Daktari, I beg to disagree with your statement that Kenya is a very advanced country in many respects. I would say that we are about 50 years behind where we should be. The roads that we are now building should have been done in the 60s. For instance, how do you say that we are advanced when we cant even get water to our houses in the capital city? Where I live, we get water once a week when we are lucky. And that is supposed to be a middle class housing estate in the capital city? I know many other places where they are not so lucky.

Just look at our roads in Nairobi (dont even go to Moyale). Have they repaired the roads in Westlands? We have pot holes in the CBD of Nairobi! Even smaller banana republics in Africa have smoother roads. We have sewage spewing out of manholes all over. Our people are dying of hunger, whether it rains or shines. Public hospitals are a shame. Public transport is a disaster. But we are used to all that!

While we may be doing better than several of our neighbours, that is basically our biggest problem. We compare ourselves with Somalia and we call ourselves advanced!

Evans

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:44 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]>wrote:

...

Overall I think Mr Gaitho is right. Kenya is a very advanced country in many respects but the poor roads are an enigma. One does not need to go far. I was impressed with the roads in Addis Ababa. Someone told me that the Addis-Moyale road is tarmacked smooth while the Nairobi-Moyale one, which is shorter, is not. One factual correction though, The Kenya Rural Roads Authority and Kenya Urban Roads Authority are not under the purvue of Eng. Kidenda. He is in charge only of the Kenya National Highways Authority.

Waudo

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 06:29 PM, Grace Githaiga wrote:

Listers

I think Macharia Gaitho is referring to our discussions on roads. For those who missed, the link posted below.

Let’s not gloat about building great roads until we venture out of Kenya http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1435452/-/lqcdb7z/-/index.html

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Daktari, as much as you use the term "relative", I would not use the terms "advanced" and "Kenya" in the same sentence. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:33 AM, waudo siganga <[email protected]>wrote:

Thanks Evans, Gilda. What you guys say is true - I was just giving my observation after visiting some African countries. Most of the developments we have undergone have been through the efforts of the private sector. Take for example the Industrial Area in Nairobi. It is huge for African standards. Manufacturers and business people there are busy producing despite what you have noted - the potholed roads outside, traffic jams due to poor planning, unreliable water supply, power outages, etc. not to mention corruption. If we are already advanced relative to other African countries then where would we be if things were in order?

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 09:02 AM, Gilda Odera wrote:

Evans,

I agree with you. Much as we are ahead of others in the continent, let us not blind ourselves with that. We must use the highest benchmark and aim much higher. It is true, we ought to be so much further, considering our capabilities.We have a lot of catching up to do- a great deal of it too!

Regards,

Gilda

----- Original Message ----- From: Evans Ikua <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Thika Road Debate

Daktari, I beg to disagree with your statement that Kenya is a very advanced country in many respects. I would say that we are about 50 years behind where we should be. The roads that we are now building should have been done in the 60s. For instance, how do you say that we are advanced when we cant even get water to our houses in the capital city? Where I live, we get water once a week when we are lucky. And that is supposed to be a middle class housing estate in the capital city? I know many other places where they are not so lucky.

Just look at our roads in Nairobi (dont even go to Moyale). Have they repaired the roads in Westlands? We have pot holes in the CBD of Nairobi! Even smaller banana republics in Africa have smoother roads. We have sewage spewing out of manholes all over. Our people are dying of hunger, whether it rains or shines. Public hospitals are a shame. Public transport is a disaster. But we are used to all that!

While we may be doing better than several of our neighbours, that is basically our biggest problem. We compare ourselves with Somalia and we call ourselves advanced!

Evans

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:44 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]>wrote:

Overall I think Mr Gaitho is right. Kenya is a very advanced country in many respects but the poor roads are an enigma. One does not need to go far. I was impressed with the roads in Addis Ababa. Someone told me that the Addis-Moyale road is tarmacked smooth while the Nairobi-Moyale one, which is shorter, is not. One factual correction though, The Kenya Rural Roads Authority and Kenya Urban Roads Authority are not under the purvue of Eng. Kidenda. He is in charge only of the Kenya National Highways Authority.

Waudo

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 06:29 PM, Grace Githaiga wrote:

Listers

I think Macharia Gaitho is referring to our discussions on roads. For those who missed, the link posted below.

Let’s not gloat about building great roads until we venture out of Kenya http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1435452/-/lqcdb7z/-/index.html

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Why are there so many bodies to handle roads? This not only wastes resources it encourages finger pointing and buck passing. Why not have a single body to tackle this? On Tuesday, June 26, 2012, waudo siganga wrote:

Overall I think Mr Gaitho is right. Kenya is a very advanced country in many respects but the poor roads are an enigma. One does not need to go far. I was impressed with the roads in Addis Ababa. Someone told me that the Addis-Moyale road is tarmacked smooth while the Nairobi-Moyale one, which is shorter, is not. One factual correction though, The Kenya Rural Roads Authority and Kenya Urban Roads Authority are not under the purvue of Eng. Kidenda. He is in charge only of the Kenya National Highways Authority.

Waudo

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 06:29 PM, Grace Githaiga wrote:

Listers

I think Macharia Gaitho is referring to our discussions on roads. For those who missed, the link posted below.

Let’s not gloat about building great roads until we venture out of Kenya http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/1435452/-/lqcdb7z/-/index.html

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