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FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fibre-for-africa] SEACOM gets funding boost Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:31:24 +0100 (CET) From: Wairagala Wakabi <wakabi@cipesa.org> Reply-To: APC - Private list for use by EASSY Workshop Participants <fibre-for-africa@lists.apc.org> To: APC - Private list for use by EASSY Workshop Participants <fibre-for-africa@lists.apc.org> CC: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> References: <3104.217.113.73.239.1195028026.squirrel@mail.cipesa.org> <478CFEF7.1040209@apc.org> Alice, Our understanding is that SEACOM (The Sea Cable System) is a registered in Mauritius and owned 25% by Herakles Telecom - the managing partner for the cable who is based in New York. The other partners: 1) Industrial Promotion Service of the Aga Khan Foundation (25%); 2) Venfin (a South African investment holding company with interests in IT (25%); 3) Shanduka Group, a South African investment company (12.5%); 4) Convergence Partners, a South African Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) investment company focusing on the Telecommunications, Media and Technology (TMT) sector - 12.5%. SEACOM says the ownership structure varies for each segment of the cable, which ensures local ownership of the cable segments connecting individual countries to comply with regulations in those countries. The cable backbone along the east coast of Africa and to India and Europe is owned by SEACOM; while the segments connecting to individual countries are either 100% (South Africa, Mozambique, Madagascar, India, France) or 35% (Tanzania, Kenya) locally owned. Wakabi =====
Hi all
Out of curiosity, who is SEACOM? rather who are behind SEACOM? Anyone conducted due diligence. Any connection to the Africa One saga?
best alice
Wairagala Wakabi wrote:
Netters, Its backers are saying SEACOM will be the only new cable completed in time to give South Africa the bandwidth needed for the 2010 WC, with "actual production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities" starting next week. SA's SNO, NEOTEL, has helped marshal capital from local financial heavyweights, enabling NEOTEL to be owned 50% by South Africans.
Tut Tut...
Wakabi
Sea cable venture lands big investors
By Lesley Stones, Business Day, November 14 2007
AN UNDERSEA cable promising cheap bandwidth for Africa yesterday finally named its backers, signing up enough well-connected local investors to guarantee its landing rights in SA.
Investment heavyweight Venfin is sinking $75m into the project, taking a 25% stake in the 15000km cable linking SA to India and Europe.
Cyril Ramaphosas black investment house Shanduka is taking 12,5%, worth $37,5m. Another 12,5% goes to Convergence Partners, a group of black investors led by Andile Ngcaba, the chairman of Dimension Data Africa and a former director-general of the communications department. Nedbank Capital and Investec will provide financing for the $650m project.
SAs second network operator, Neotel, is pumping in a far more modest R20m, and using its telecoms licence to guarantee that the cable can dock in SA.
The local ownership is sufficient to ensure that Seacom meets controversial new conditions being drawn up by Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri, dictating who can land a cable in SA. The minister is insisting that any cable must be majority owned by African investors to come ashore.
South Africans hold 50% of Seacom, and that rises to 75% African ownership thanks to 25% held by the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Developments Industrial Promotion Services, a development agency based in Kenya.
The remaining 25% lies with New Yorks Herakles Telecom, a development group that has invested $4bn in Africa.
Neotel is investing only in the local landing station, but its licence to operate in SA conferred on it the right to land a cable, said MD Ajay Pandey.
Our understanding is that the country needs international capacity, and the way international cable landing protocols have been defined means we have the opportunity here.
Venfin CEO Jannie Durand said Neotels licence to land a cable in SA meant everything had been done legally and correctly. Venfin was backing Seacom for two reasons, he said: We are hopefully going to make a lot of money out of it and SA needs more bandwidth. We want to bring SA affordable bandwidth to the rest of the world.
Although the cable will cost $650m, it would be partly funded by loans as well as equity, allowing Venfin to take 25% for less than the book value of the project, Durand said.
Pandey believes Seacom will be the onlyThe actual production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities will start next week.
The consortium has already invested more than $10m in a marine survey and engineering of the cable. The actual production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities will start next week.
Seacom will connect Mtunzini in SA to Mumbai in India and Marseilles in France via Mozambique, Madagascar, Kenya and Tanzania by June 2009.
Terrestrial links will be built to take its bandwidth to numerous other inland countries. Its capacity of 1,28 terabytes per second is 10 times the capacity on the existing Sat-3 cable around Africas west coast.
The consortium has promised that it will charge other voice and data carriers significantly less for its bandwidth than they pay to use Sat-3 or satellite services, which should trigger a massive decrease in the cost of phone calls, internet access and data transmissions for African consumers and businesses.
Improved access for business and individuals in Africa to communications, broadband services and new technology offerings can improve lives and help grow the economies of our countries, said Ngcaba, the chairman of Convergence Partners. The linking of southern and east Africa with India and Europe is crucial for enhancing development and trade between these key regions.
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Wakabi, You have not addressed the fact that the principals behind Seacom collected funds from African Telcos and never refunded the money when the project failed. KPTC now Telcom Kenya indeed paid and never recovered the funds. Should we embrace these individuals even when they stole from our national investments? Please declare your interests too. Victor
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Alice, Our understanding is that SEACOM (The Sea Cable System) is a registered in Mauritius and owned 25% by Herakles Telecom - the managing partner for the cable who is based in New York.
The other partners: 1) Industrial Promotion Service of the Aga Khan Foundation (25%); 2) Venfin (a South African investment holding company with interests in IT (25%); 3) Shanduka Group, a South African investment company (12.5%); 4) Convergence Partners, a South African Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) investment company focusing on the Telecommunications, Media and Technology (TMT) sector - 12.5%.
SEACOM says the ownership structure varies for each segment of the cable, which ensures local ownership of the cable segments connecting individual countries to comply with regulations in those countries. The cable backbone along the east coast of Africa and to India and Europe is owned by SEACOM; while the segments connecting to individual countries are either 100% (South Africa, Mozambique, Madagascar, India, France) or 35% (Tanzania, Kenya) locally owned.
Wakabi
=====
Hi all
Out of curiosity, who is SEACOM? rather who are behind SEACOM? Anyone conducted due diligence. Any connection to the Africa One saga?
best alice
Wairagala Wakabi wrote:
Netters, Its backers are saying SEACOM will be the only new cable completed in time to give South Africa the bandwidth needed for the 2010 WC, with "actual production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities" starting next week. SA's SNO, NEOTEL, has helped marshal capital from local financial heavyweights, enabling NEOTEL to be owned 50% by South Africans.
Tut Tut...
Wakabi
Sea cable venture lands big investors
By Lesley Stones, Business Day, November 14 2007
AN UNDERSEA cable promising cheap bandwidth for Africa yesterday finally named its backers, signing up enough well-connected local investors to guarantee its landing rights in SA.
Investment heavyweight Venfin is sinking $75m into the project, taking a 25% stake in the 15000km cable linking SA to India and Europe.
Cyril Ramaphosa's black investment house Shanduka is taking 12,5%, worth $37,5m. Another 12,5% goes to Convergence Partners, a group of black investors led by Andile Ngcaba, the chairman of Dimension Data Africa and a former director-general of the communications department. Nedbank Capital and Investec will provide financing for the $650m project.
SA's second network operator, Neotel, is pumping in a far more modest R20m, and using its telecoms licence to guarantee that the cable can dock in SA.
The local ownership is sufficient to ensure that Seacom meets controversial new conditions being drawn up by Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri, dictating who can land a cable in SA. The minister is insisting that any cable must be majority owned by African investors to come ashore.
South Africans hold 50% of Seacom, and that rises to 75% African ownership thanks to 25% held by the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development's Industrial Promotion Services, a development agency based in Kenya.
The remaining 25% lies with New York's Herakles Telecom, a development group that has invested $4bn in Africa.
Neotel is investing only in the local landing station, but its licence to operate in SA conferred on it the right to land a cable, said MD Ajay Pandey.
"Our understanding is that the country needs international capacity, and the way international cable landing protocols have been defined means we have the opportunity here."
Venfin CEO Jannie Durand said Neotel's licence to land a cable in SA meant everything had been done "legally and correctly". Venfin was backing Seacom for two reasons, he said: "We are hopefully going to make a lot of money out of it and SA needs more bandwidth. We want to bring SA affordable bandwidth to the rest of the world."
Although the cable will cost $650m, it would be partly funded by loans as well as equity, allowing Venfin to take 25% for less than the book value of the project, Durand said.
Pandey believes Seacom will be the onlyThe actual production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities will start next week.
The consortium has already invested more than $10m in a marine survey and engineering of the cable. The actual production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities will start next week.
Seacom will connect Mtunzini in SA to Mumbai in India and Marseilles in France via Mozambique, Madagascar, Kenya and Tanzania by June 2009.
Terrestrial links will be built to take its bandwidth to numerous other inland countries. Its capacity of 1,28 terabytes per second is 10 times the capacity on the existing Sat-3 cable around Africa's west coast.
The consortium has promised that it will charge other voice and data carriers significantly less for its bandwidth than they pay to use Sat-3 or satellite services, which should trigger a massive decrease in the cost of phone calls, internet access and data transmissions for African consumers and businesses.
"Improved access for business and individuals in Africa to communications, broadband services and new technology offerings can improve lives and help grow the economies of our countries," said Ngcaba, the chairman of Convergence Partners. "The linking of southern and east Africa with India and Europe is crucial for enhancing development and trade between these key regions."
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Herakles Telecom does not appear to be a New York registered entity though it should be if that is where it is supposed to be based. May be someone could do some more research on them? The only other entity that comes up is Herakles Capital, which is seen as appearing in whois information based on the domain name seen here: http://www.tycotelecom.com/AboutUs/content.asp?page=view&type=Press&id=296 http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=heraklescapital.com That information leads back to Herakles Capital which in the New York State corporations database and which the same physical address for the technical contact as: Herakles Capital Japan Corp http://appsext8.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/CORPSEARCH.ENTITY_INFORMATION?p_nameid=3374858&p_corpid=3373987&p_entity_name=%48%65%72%61%6B%6C%65%73&p_name_type=%41&p_search_type=%42%45%47%49%4E%53&p_srch_results_page=0 They could still very well be legitimate, but their use of varying entity names is bound to raise questions particularly if they were involved in the failed project. On Jan 16, 2008 10:16 PM, Victor Maloi <victormaloi3@gmail.com> wrote:
Wakabi, You have not addressed the fact that the principals behind Seacom collected funds from African Telcos and never refunded the money when the project failed. KPTC now Telcom Kenya indeed paid and never recovered the funds. Should we embrace these individuals even when they stole from our national investments? Please declare your interests too.
Victor
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Alice, Our understanding is that SEACOM (The Sea Cable System) is a registered in Mauritius and owned 25% by Herakles Telecom - the managing partner for the cable who is based in New York.
The other partners: 1) Industrial Promotion Service of the Aga Khan Foundation (25%); 2) Venfin (a South African investment holding company with interests in
IT (25%); 3) Shanduka Group, a South African investment company (12.5%); 4) Convergence Partners, a South African Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) investment company focusing on the Telecommunications, Media and Technology (TMT) sector - 12.5%.
SEACOM says the ownership structure varies for each segment of the cable, which ensures local ownership of the cable segments connecting individual countries to comply with regulations in those countries. The cable backbone along the east coast of Africa and to India and Europe is owned by SEACOM; while the segments connecting to individual countries are either 100% (South Africa, Mozambique, Madagascar, India, France) or 35%
(Tanzania, Kenya) locally owned.
Wakabi
=====
Hi all
Out of curiosity, who is SEACOM? rather who are behind SEACOM? Anyone conducted due diligence. Any connection to the Africa One saga?
best alice
Wairagala Wakabi wrote:
Netters, Its backers are saying SEACOM will be the only new cable completed in time to give South Africa the bandwidth needed for the 2010 WC, with
production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities" starting next week. SA's SNO, NEOTEL, has helped marshal capital from local financial heavyweights, enabling NEOTEL to be owned 50% by South Africans.
Tut Tut...
Wakabi
Sea cable venture lands big investors
By Lesley Stones, Business Day, November 14 2007
AN UNDERSEA cable promising cheap bandwidth for Africa yesterday finally named its backers, signing up enough well-connected local investors to guarantee its landing rights in SA.
Investment heavyweight Venfin is sinking $75m into the project, taking a 25% stake in the 15000km cable linking SA to India and Europe.
Cyril Ramaphosa's black investment house Shanduka is taking 12,5%, worth $37,5m. Another 12,5% goes to Convergence Partners, a group of black investors led by Andile Ngcaba, the chairman of Dimension Data Africa and a former director-general of the communications department. Nedbank Capital and Investec will provide financing for the $650m project.
SA's second network operator, Neotel, is pumping in a far more modest R20m, and using its telecoms licence to guarantee that the cable can dock in SA.
The local ownership is sufficient to ensure that Seacom meets controversial new conditions being drawn up by Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri, dictating who can land a cable in SA. The minister is insisting that any cable must be majority owned by African investors to come ashore.
South Africans hold 50% of Seacom, and that rises to 75% African ownership thanks to 25% held by the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development's Industrial Promotion Services, a development agency based in Kenya.
The remaining 25% lies with New York's Herakles Telecom, a development group that has invested $4bn in Africa.
Neotel is investing only in the local landing station, but its
"actual licence
to operate in SA conferred on it the right to land a cable, said MD Ajay
Pandey.
"Our understanding is that the country needs international capacity, and the way international cable landing protocols have been defined means we have the opportunity here."
Venfin CEO Jannie Durand said Neotel's licence to land a cable in SA meant everything had been done "legally and correctly". Venfin was backing Seacom for two reasons, he said: "We are hopefully going to make a lot of money out of it and SA needs more bandwidth. We want to bring SA affordable bandwidth to the rest of the world."
Although the cable will cost $650m, it would be partly funded by loans as well as equity, allowing Venfin to take 25% for less than the book value of the project, Durand said.
Pandey believes Seacom will be the onlyThe actual production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities will start next week.
The consortium has already invested more than $10m in a marine survey and engineering of the cable. The actual production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities will start next week.
Seacom will connect Mtunzini in SA to Mumbai in India and Marseilles in France via Mozambique, Madagascar, Kenya and Tanzania by June 2009.
Terrestrial links will be built to take its bandwidth to numerous other inland countries. Its capacity of 1,28 terabytes per second is 10 times the capacity on the existing Sat-3 cable around Africa's west coast.
The consortium has promised that it will charge other voice and data carriers significantly less for its bandwidth than they pay to use Sat-3 or satellite services, which should trigger a massive decrease in the
cost of phone calls, internet access and data transmissions for African consumers and businesses.
"Improved access for business and individuals in Africa to communications, broadband services and new technology offerings can improve lives and help grow the economies of our countries," said Ngcaba, the chairman of Convergence Partners. "The linking of southern and east Africa with India and Europe is crucial for enhancing development and trade between these key regions."
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Eunice Mueni Kariuki wrote: My understanding is that they are not looking for new investors. *Kind Regards,* Eunice Mueni Kariuki These people have approached us to purchase capacity from them. Don't we have a right to find out who they are? where they are coming from and what their past is like. Their earlier model of engaging Africa ended up in disaster. What makes you think the new model would work? Victor. On 17/01/2008, Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com> wrote:
Herakles Telecom does not appear to be a New York registered entity though it should be if that is where it is supposed to be based. May be someone could do some more research on them? The only other entity that comes up is Herakles Capital, which is seen as appearing in whois information based on the domain name seen here:
http://www.tycotelecom.com/AboutUs/content.asp?page=view&type=Press&id=296
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=heraklescapital.com
That information leads back to Herakles Capital which in the New York State corporations database and which the same physical address for the technical contact as:
Herakles Capital Japan Corp http://appsext8.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/CORPSEARCH.ENTITY_INFORMATION?p_nameid=3374858&p_corpid=3373987&p_entity_name=%48%65%72%61%6B%6C%65%73&p_name_type=%41&p_search_type=%42%45%47%49%4E%53&p_srch_results_page=0
They could still very well be legitimate, but their use of varying entity names is bound to raise questions particularly if they were involved in the failed project.
On Jan 16, 2008 10:16 PM, Victor Maloi <victormaloi3@gmail.com> wrote:
Wakabi, You have not addressed the fact that the principals behind Seacom collected funds from African Telcos and never refunded the money when the project failed. KPTC now Telcom Kenya indeed paid and never recovered the funds. Should we embrace these individuals even when they stole from our national investments? Please declare your interests too.
Victor
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< 478CFEF7.1040209@apc.org>
Alice, Our understanding is that SEACOM (The Sea Cable System) is a registered in Mauritius and owned 25% by Herakles Telecom - the managing partner for the cable who is based in New York.
The other partners: 1) Industrial Promotion Service of the Aga Khan Foundation (25%); 2) Venfin (a South African investment holding company with interests in IT (25%); 3) Shanduka Group, a South African investment company ( 12.5%); 4) Convergence Partners, a South African Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) investment company focusing on the Telecommunications, Media and Technology (TMT) sector - 12.5%.
SEACOM says the ownership structure varies for each segment of the cable, which ensures local ownership of the cable segments connecting individual countries to comply with regulations in those countries. The cable backbone along the east coast of Africa and to India and Europe is owned by SEACOM; while the segments connecting to individual countries are either 100% (South Africa, Mozambique, Madagascar, India, France) or 35% (Tanzania, Kenya) locally owned.
Wakabi
=====
Hi all
Out of curiosity, who is SEACOM? rather who are behind SEACOM? Anyone conducted due diligence. Any connection to the Africa One saga?
best alice
Wairagala Wakabi wrote:
Netters, Its backers are saying SEACOM will be the only new cable completed in time to give South Africa the bandwidth needed for the 2010 WC, with "actual production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities" starting next week. SA's SNO, NEOTEL, has helped marshal capital from local financial heavyweights, enabling NEOTEL to be owned 50% by South Africans.
Tut Tut...
Wakabi
Sea cable venture lands big investors
By Lesley Stones, Business Day, November 14 2007
AN UNDERSEA cable promising cheap bandwidth for Africa yesterday finally named its backers, signing up enough well-connected local investors to guarantee its landing rights in SA.
Investment heavyweight Venfin is sinking $75m into the project, taking a 25% stake in the 15000km cable linking SA to India and Europe.
Cyril Ramaphosa's black investment house Shanduka is taking 12,5%, worth $37,5m. Another 12,5% goes to Convergence Partners, a group of black investors led by Andile Ngcaba, the chairman of Dimension Data Africa and a former director-general of the communications department. Nedbank
Capital and Investec will provide financing for the $650m project.
SA's second network operator, Neotel, is pumping in a far more modest R20m, and using its telecoms licence to guarantee that the cable can dock in SA.
The local ownership is sufficient to ensure that Seacom meets controversial new conditions being drawn up by Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri, dictating who can land a cable in SA. The minister is insisting that any cable must be majority owned by African investors to come ashore.
South Africans hold 50% of Seacom, and that rises to 75% African ownership thanks to 25% held by the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development's Industrial Promotion Services, a development agency based in Kenya.
The remaining 25% lies with New York's Herakles Telecom, a development group that has invested $4bn in Africa.
Neotel is investing only in the local landing station, but its licence to operate in SA conferred on it the right to land a cable, said MD Ajay Pandey.
"Our understanding is that the country needs international capacity, and the way international cable landing protocols have been defined means we have the opportunity here."
Venfin CEO Jannie Durand said Neotel's licence to land a cable in SA meant everything had been done "legally and correctly". Venfin was backing Seacom for two reasons, he said: "We are hopefully going to make a lot of money out of it and SA needs more bandwidth. We want to bring SA affordable bandwidth to the rest of the world."
Although the cable will cost $650m, it would be partly funded by loans as well as equity, allowing Venfin to take 25% for less than the book value of the project, Durand said.
Pandey believes Seacom will be the onlyThe actual production of the
fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities will start next week.
The consortium has already invested more than $10m in a marine survey and engineering of the cable. The actual production of the fibreoptic cable and undersea facilities will start next week.
Seacom will connect Mtunzini in SA to Mumbai in India and Marseilles in France via Mozambique, Madagascar, Kenya and Tanzania by June 2009.
Terrestrial links will be built to take its bandwidth to numerous
inland countries. Its capacity of 1,28 terabytes per second is 10 times the capacity on the existing Sat-3 cable around Africa's west coast.
The consortium has promised that it will charge other voice and data carriers significantly less for its bandwidth than they pay to use Sat-3 or satellite services, which should trigger a massive decrease in
other the
cost of phone calls, internet access and data transmissions for African consumers and businesses.
"Improved access for business and individuals in Africa to communications, broadband services and new technology offerings can improve lives and help grow the economies of our countries," said Ngcaba, the chairman of Convergence Partners. "The linking of southern and east Africa with
India and Europe is crucial for enhancing development and trade between these key regions."
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