Tandaa - An Honest Analysis
Mirembe I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference. The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners'. Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more. If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought. We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com<http://jamboforums.com>, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that there is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic. There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content. NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles in entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines like cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word. The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration. The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions? Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public. Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions. The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down. We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running. Senior members, what do you think? Alai,
Robert I did not attend but I know exactly what you are saying. Local is golden, foreign should be forgotten unless we want to remain where we are. Joe On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Robert Alai <[email protected]> wrote:
Mirembe
I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners'. Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more. If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought.
We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com
When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com<http://jamboforums.com/>, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that there is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic. There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content.
NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles in entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines like cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions? Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public. Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions.
The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running.
Senior members, what do you think?
Alai,
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Alai, I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare' arrived a long time ago. So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;) On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <[email protected]> wrote:
Mirembe
I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy made?" That was heavy!
Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought.
I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience to articulate you point?
We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com
Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote local content.
When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that there is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.
There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content.
'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and Judiciacy. If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in very serious trouble...
NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles in entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines like cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done right?
The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of decision making procees..
The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions?
The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public.
Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every year?
Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions.
You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your conclusion?
The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its called "fair commentating"
We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running.
Dunno..
Senior members, what do you think?
I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise excellent achievement. Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for their next such conference. Rider: There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies and Poisons Board drug inspectors. Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great initiative, erroneously. Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists subscriptions;) G'day,
Hi all, As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii africa and other lists. Wainaina On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
Alai,
I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare' arrived a long time ago.
So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <[email protected]> wrote:
Mirembe
I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy made?" That was heavy!
Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought.
I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience to articulate you point?
We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com
Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote local content.
When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that there is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.
There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content.
'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and Judiciacy. If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in very serious trouble...
NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles in entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines like cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done right?
The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of decision making procees..
The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions?
The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public.
Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every year?
Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions.
You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your conclusion?
The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its called "fair commentating"
We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running.
Dunno..
Senior members, what do you think?
I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise excellent achievement.
Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for their next such conference.
Rider:
There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies and Poisons Board drug inspectors. Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great initiative, erroneously.
Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists subscriptions;)
G'day,
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Robert, You are a good friend of mine and am glad at last there is a mailing list where you are subscribed to and brought up this issue. You did subscribe me to alot of your mailing lists without my consent, and I did bring this to your attention and it took you ages to unsubscribe me - afew of my colleagues have also been through this - which in one word is disheartening. I also have a problem with the way you muzzle conversations on 'your' lists. Any post that does not sing your praise is silently discarded by the admin - and those that praise how good a job you are doing are held up in the most high. I too believe that you are the last person who should talk about these other matters before cleaning up your house. ./Ok3ch On Tuesday 18 November 2008 08:22:14 am Wainaina Mungai wrote:
Hi all,
As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii africa and other lists.
Wainaina
On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
Alai,
I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare' arrived a long time ago.
So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <[email protected]> wrote:
Mirembe
I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy made?" That was heavy!
Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought.
I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience to articulate you point?
We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com
Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote local content.
When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that there is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.
There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content.
'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and Judiciacy. If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in very serious trouble...
NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles in entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines like cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done right?
The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of decision making procees..
The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions?
The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public.
Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every year?
Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions.
You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your conclusion?
The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its called "fair commentating"
We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running.
Dunno..
Senior members, what do you think?
I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise excellent achievement.
Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for their next such conference.
Rider:
There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies and Poisons Board drug inspectors. Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great initiative, erroneously.
Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists subscriptions;)
G'day,
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Oketch Yours is personal and men never fight wars through women. I wish not to elaborate on how you fight your wars through women but know that the problem you have is very very personal and you better not start discussing it here on KICTANET because you wont stomach when I decide to tell my part because you couldnt stomach when I called you. You dont have guts to face a fellow man why involve women. You were a memeber and a willing member and you subscribed yourself into KaziAfrika and you were one time the leading contributor. But I dont know how you came to realise how I am your enemy and started fighting me through women. grow beyond that and leave KICTANET out of personal fights ndugu. Guys who know Oketch wlll see him with Nokia E61i. I sold him that phone and Oketch is a very good friend of mine and a drinking mate until when he started using women to fight wars. Brother, lets not start it here Alai On 11/18/08, Joseph Okech <[email protected]> wrote:
Robert,
You are a good friend of mine and am glad at last there is a mailing list where you are subscribed to and brought up this issue. You did subscribe me to alot of your mailing lists without my consent, and I did bring this to your attention and it took you ages to unsubscribe me - afew of my colleagues have also been through this - which in one word is disheartening.
I also have a problem with the way you muzzle conversations on 'your' lists. Any post that does not sing your praise is silently discarded by the admin - and those that praise how good a job you are doing are held up in the most high.
I too believe that you are the last person who should talk about these other matters before cleaning up your house.
./Ok3ch
Hi all,
As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii africa and other lists.
Wainaina
On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
Alai,
I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare' arrived a long time ago.
So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <[email protected]> wrote:
Mirembe
I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy made?" That was heavy!
Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought.
I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience to articulate you point?
We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com
Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote local content.
When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 08:22:14 am Wainaina Mungai wrote: think
that there is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.
There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content.
'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and Judiciacy. If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in very serious trouble...
NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles in entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines like cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done right?
The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of decision making procees..
The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions?
The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public.
Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every year?
Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions.
You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your conclusion?
The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its called "fair commentating"
We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running.
Dunno..
Senior members, what do you think?
I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise excellent achievement.
Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for their next such conference.
Rider:
There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies and Poisons Board drug inspectors. Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great initiative, erroneously.
Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists subscriptions;)
G'day,
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Gakuru Skunkworks is a very poorly done blog. Good content but content only dont make a blog. But or install any free availeable themes and have a decent blog. Check my mtandao.blogspot.com and myafricancareer.com Those are nice themes by Abdul Munir. Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy made?" That was heavy! Gakuru we cannot have our internet yes but we want to launch a detergent to compete with OMO and what we all the time talking about is OMO. We want to reform a spoilt child and what we are talking about is his Dark past. Gakuru criticism of the addiction to the west is not hate. I am grateful for google because I live entirely on google adverts. But we must start looking for alternative local website to uplift them Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;) So if all are theieves in the world then you will want tto be a thief just beecause all are thieves. Brother, I use google because I dont have a local equivalent and I urgently need one. I really do. I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience to articulate you point? Gakuru, I never beg for publicty. I am a very private person and never seek media coveerage but next time there is such a conference. I will demand to be given 30 minutes to pour my hear out Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote local content. Kasarani is owned by my good friend and Kenyan called Daniel Ngari based in Australia. It was not a sales place? Are you sure. We were promoting local content. Do you know the meaning of promoting? Please dont be so negative about anything by Kenyan Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content. In that conference you were talking about American sites. And this is the place now where I really give a standing ovation for Aly Khan. That was a nice presentation without much foreign nonesense. Thanks Aly. Bongo is very close to Kenya and inferior to Kenya in almost all aspects. So there are some nice things to learn from them Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done right? Give me one and I will give you 3 wrong ones Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of decision making procees.. Yes I have tries .co.ke but why in the banners and flyers we had tandaa.comand why is the site hosted in a cheap useless foreign host called blue Host. Why not host it locally with UUnet, AccessKenya, AOL, Wananchi, Iconnet? Why? No money? The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough. Do you remember are reminice Obama pronouncing " This is your victory"? Put it intto this context and you will realise that unalala. We are in the Web 2.0 era where the site visitor is king and determines the mood and subject of the websites and internet. If you watched I report jana. You would realise what the presenter was saying about the viewers and bloggers deciding what CNN.Com should have 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and Judiciacy. If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in very serious trouble... Still you view yourself as the electorate negatively. In all democracies we admire and we should admire, the mwananchi is king. We elect the government and we can shake them. Jamiiforums.com forced the whole cabinet to resign and you can ask anywhere. Like I always tell my friends who like throwing stones at the police and rioting, I will never be found on the street rioting. My riot is just here in the internet Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every year? Mentality tena ya zamani. Slides and presentations are not school textbooks. School text books are like the old cannons used in WWI and II. We are talking about new war machines. Stealth bombers, whose functions aren being upgraded all day I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise excellent achievement. Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for their next such conference. Alex, you are a villager who amezoea shida mpaka hata kama hakuna stima, you will be celebrating how the authorities are doing fine. Tandaa was below standard and Paul admitted this and I dont know whom you are trying to please by not doing so. About forced mailing list, let me ask you this, who was your IT teacher? Can I get his names and qualifications. Because I see you have very scant knowledge about internet listserves. Listserves, blogs, forums and chat rooms have become so much part of the internet and you seem to have very primitive knowledge of almost all. With any email address, you can submit it to listserve providers like Google and yahoo never to be added by anybody to any list and your adress will automatically reject any addition. Also at the end of each email from my lists, you have instrructions for unsubscribing. Ndugu, usiwe wheelbarrow. Follow the process. Unsubscribe and block me from adding you. A man who has to be pushed to do something and complains that there is no food is not man enough ALAI On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
Alai,
I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare' arrived a long time ago.
So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <[email protected]> wrote:
Mirembe
I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy made?" That was heavy!
Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought.
I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience to articulate you point?
We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com
Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote local content.
When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that there is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.
There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content.
'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and Judiciacy. If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in very serious trouble...
NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles in entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines like cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done right?
The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of decision making procees..
The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions?
The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public.
Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every year?
Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions.
You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your conclusion?
The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its called "fair commentating"
We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running.
Dunno..
Senior members, what do you think?
I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise excellent achievement.
Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for their next such conference.
Rider:
There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies and Poisons Board drug inspectors. Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great initiative, erroneously.
Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists subscriptions;)
G'day,
Hello Robert, as someone not too involved in content etc what's so good about the 2 sites you mentioned. Is this your definition of local content? To be honest, it's the usual rubbish found on freebee sites and silly ideas repeated over and over which lack any originality. And people have time to go to these? Come on, get serious... Though I did not attend Tandaa and cannot comment on it, I think it was an important step forward and many things will be learnt and shared for a better event next time, if it did not deliver as expected. Is Tandaa a beginning or a step backward? Is it ever going to be possible to have positive criticism with an objective of getting things done where mistakes have been made or are we always going to waterdown everything? Cheers.
AKI Please if we want to honestly discuss, come out of the camouflage and be open and discuss. Now you want me to discuss with you about Tandaa and you didnt attend. How do you know what happened while you were not there. Ndugu, lets get serious. Come out of the silhoute and lets discuss what happened openly and honestly. Praising a child whom you have not seen nor known anything about is simply not very wise and doesnt help in knowing what you have in mind Give me any site which you have developed and run which have anything good. Wandugu, someone wants criticism ya maana while his is a non-starter Alai On 11/18/08, aki <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Robert, as someone not too involved in content etc what's so good about the 2 sites you mentioned. Is this your definition of local content? To be honest, it's the usual rubbish found on freebee sites and silly ideas repeated over and over which lack any originality. And people have time to go to these? Come on, get serious... Though I did not attend Tandaa and cannot comment on it, I think it was an important step forward and many things will be learnt and shared for a better event next time, if it did not deliver as expected.
Is Tandaa a beginning or a step backward? Is it ever going to be possible to have positive criticism with an objective of getting things done where mistakes have been made or are we always going to waterdown everything?
Cheers.
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