Day 1 Talk2Facebook ~ Content Moderation
Hi There! Hoping you are having a great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding Content Moderation on FB! Content Moderation is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along the following themes: a) Should FB be moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal? b) If FB can moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable while it becomes un-acceptable in another? c) How can FB moderate content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech? d) Has your content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal? We hope to hear from you today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues. Have a great day! Rest of the Program: Day 2: Data Protection Day 3: Human Rights & Transparency Day 4: Connectivity & Wrap Up Warm Regards, Tr. Karis Walu
My humble thoughts:- 1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance? 2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke... 3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality> to bring yourself up to speed. 4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance? Regards *Ali Hussein* Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along the following themes:
a) Should FB be moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights & Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity & Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis Walu _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
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Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
My humble thoughts:-
1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance?
2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke...
3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality> to bring yourself up to speed.
4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance?
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along the following themes:
a) Should FB be moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights & Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity & Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis Walu _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
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Asanteni Ali na Grace for your input, Ali you raise an important point on coming up with laws to go after the culprits who abuse these platforms, the root problem is "Fake Accounts", people are more confident going to the extremes online because they are hiding behind a fake account. A number of government web applications require National ID and/or Phone No. verification when creating an account... do we need this for social media accounts? On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:05 PM Grace Mutung'u via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
My humble thoughts:-
1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance?
2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke...
3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality> to bring yourself up to speed.
4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance?
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along the following themes:
a) Should FB be moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights & Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity & Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis Walu _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
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GB, indeed content moderation becomes more important during and immediately after elections due to the rise in hate speech and warmongering! How can local law legally put pressure on Facebook and other social media platforms to regulate hate speech and misinformation? On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 1:28 PM Kelvin Kariuki <kelvinkariuki89@gmail.com> wrote:
Asanteni Ali na Grace for your input,
Ali you raise an important point on coming up with laws to go after the culprits who abuse these platforms, the root problem is "Fake Accounts", people are more confident going to the extremes online because they are hiding behind a fake account. A number of government web applications require National ID and/or Phone No. verification when creating an account... do we need this for social media accounts?
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:05 PM Grace Mutung'u via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
My humble thoughts:-
1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance?
2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke...
3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality> to bring yourself up to speed.
4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance?
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along the following themes:
a) Should FB be moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights & Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity & Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis Walu _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
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The Lord is my Shepherd
-- Best Regards, Kelvin Kariuki Assistant Lecturer Multimedia University of Kenya Faculty of Computing and Information Technology Twitter Handle: @teacherkaris Alt email: kkariuki@mmu.ac.ke Mobile: +2547 29 385 557 The Lord is my Shepherd
At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be corrected. I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do. walu On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: My humble thoughts:- 1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance? 2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke... 3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here to bring yourself up to speed. 4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance? Regards AliHussein Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi There! Hoping you are having agreat week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on“Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surroundingContent Moderation on FB! Content Moderationis a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share yourcomments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services alongthe following themes: a) Should FB bemoderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal? b) If FB canmoderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different culturalexpectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptablewhile it becomes un-acceptable in another? c) How can FB moderatecontent without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech? d) Has yourcontent posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was yourreaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal? We hope to hear from youtoday as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues. Have a great day! Rest of the Program: Day 2: Data Protection Day 3: Human Rights &Transparency Day 4: Connectivity &Wrap Up Warm Regards, Tr. Karis Walu _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Walu, That's actually interesting....non interference in the US but engagement with government in Africa? What makes different spaces get different approaches? GB On Wednesday, 16 September 2020, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be corrected.
I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do.
walu
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
My humble thoughts:-
1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance?
2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke...
3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality> to bring yourself up to speed.
4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance?
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along the following themes:
a) Should FB be moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights & Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity & Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis Walu _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
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Grace, To add to your question, does Facebook have a Content Moderation Policy? How transparent and available is it to the general public? Is it applied strictly and fairly across all domains? On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 5:43 PM Grace Mutung'u via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Walu, That's actually interesting....non interference in the US but engagement with government in Africa? What makes different spaces get different approaches? GB
On Wednesday, 16 September 2020, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be corrected.
I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do.
walu
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
My humble thoughts:-
1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance?
2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke...
3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality> to bring yourself up to speed.
4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance?
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along the following themes:
a) Should FB be moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights & Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity & Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis Walu _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
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Good question. FB personnel are on the group/list and we believe we shall be hearing from them soon ;-) walu On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 05:43:37 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote: Walu, That's actually interesting....non interference in the US but engagement with government in Africa? What makes different spaces get different approaches? GB On Wednesday, 16 September 2020, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be corrected. I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do. walu On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: My humble thoughts:- 1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance? 2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke... 3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here to bring yourself up to speed. 4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance? Regards AliHussein Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/ alihkassim Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Hi There! Hoping you are having agreat week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on“Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surroundingContent Moderation on FB! Content Moderationis a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share yourcomments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services alongthe following themes: a) Should FB bemoderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal? b) If FB canmoderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different culturalexpectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptablewhile it becomes un-acceptable in another? c) How can FB moderatecontent without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech? d) Has yourcontent posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was yourreaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal? We hope to hear from youtoday as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues. Have a great day! Rest of the Program: Day 2: Data Protection Day 3: Human Rights &Transparency Day 4: Connectivity &Wrap Up Warm Regards, Tr. 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Yes Walu. Would be great to hear from them on that. It’s more concerning when paid for content is prioritized over organic content. Now that we’re diving into an election cycle- eyeballs are for sale and the winner (big spender) takes it all. And I agree it’s not just Facebook. Google too with the differential monetary treatment of content creators on YouTube. On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 19:14, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Good question.
FB personnel are on the group/list and we believe we shall be hearing from them soon ;-)
walu
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 05:43:37 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu, That's actually interesting....non interference in the US but engagement with government in Africa? What makes different spaces get different approaches? GB
On Wednesday, 16 September 2020, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be corrected.
I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do.
walu
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
My humble thoughts:-
1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance?
2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke...
3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality> to bring yourself up to speed.
4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance?
Regards
*AliHussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/ alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a
great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on
“Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding
Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation
is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your
comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along
the following themes:
a) Should FB be
moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can
moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural
expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable
while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate
content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your
content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your
reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you
today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights &
Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity &
Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis
Walu
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What Walu had hinted on Ethiopia perhaps; https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg897a/hate-speech-on-facebook-is-pushing... On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 7:38 PM kanini mutemi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes Walu. Would be great to hear from them on that. It’s more concerning when paid for content is prioritized over organic content. Now that we’re diving into an election cycle- eyeballs are for sale and the winner (big spender) takes it all.
And I agree it’s not just Facebook. Google too with the differential monetary treatment of content creators on YouTube.
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 19:14, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Good question.
FB personnel are on the group/list and we believe we shall be hearing from them soon ;-)
walu
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 05:43:37 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu, That's actually interesting....non interference in the US but engagement with government in Africa? What makes different spaces get different approaches? GB
On Wednesday, 16 September 2020, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be corrected.
I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do.
walu
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
My humble thoughts:-
1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance?
2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke...
3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality> to bring yourself up to speed.
4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance?
Regards
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Digital Transformation
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On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a
great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on
“Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding
Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation
is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your
comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along
the following themes:
a) Should FB be
moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can
moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural
expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable
while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate
content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your
content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your
reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you
today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights &
Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity &
Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis
Walu
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Sorry I'm late as my comment is from Day 1's agenda focus: Question to Facebook - where or how do you draw the content boundary and are the community standards global or are they local to the owner of the Facebook account? An example would be where in some communities here in Kenya and elsewhere in Africa the women's attire involves being bare-chested (showing their breasts). Should I post something that celebrates or mentions this culture and accompany it with the image of such a lady, will you tell me the image is against the community standards? Whose community standards if here in Kenya they are acceptable standards, while in the West perhaps not? I would expect that you allow me to make such a post and 'hide' it from those in jurisdictions where the post goes against their community standards, as this is not nudity. Kathy On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 22:15, David Indeje via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
What Walu had hinted on Ethiopia perhaps;
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg897a/hate-speech-on-facebook-is-pushing...
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 7:38 PM kanini mutemi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes Walu. Would be great to hear from them on that. It’s more concerning when paid for content is prioritized over organic content. Now that we’re diving into an election cycle- eyeballs are for sale and the winner (big spender) takes it all.
And I agree it’s not just Facebook. Google too with the differential monetary treatment of content creators on YouTube.
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 19:14, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Good question.
FB personnel are on the group/list and we believe we shall be hearing from them soon ;-)
walu
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 05:43:37 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu, That's actually interesting....non interference in the US but engagement with government in Africa? What makes different spaces get different approaches? GB
On Wednesday, 16 September 2020, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be corrected.
I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do.
walu
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
My humble thoughts:-
1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance?
2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke...
3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality> to bring yourself up to speed.
4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance?
Regards
*AliHussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/ alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a
great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on
“Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding
Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation
is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your
comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along
the following themes:
a) Should FB be
moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can
moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural
expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable
while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate
content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your
content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your
reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you
today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights &
Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity &
Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis
Walu
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Dear Kathy, Weeh! Waiting to hear the response to your very realistic question from FB :) Thank you for your input! On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 5:18 PM Kathy Mwai via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sorry I'm late as my comment is from Day 1's agenda focus:
Question to Facebook - where or how do you draw the content boundary and are the community standards global or are they local to the owner of the Facebook account? An example would be where in some communities here in Kenya and elsewhere in Africa the women's attire involves being bare-chested (showing their breasts). Should I post something that celebrates or mentions this culture and accompany it with the image of such a lady, will you tell me the image is against the community standards? Whose community standards if here in Kenya they are acceptable standards, while in the West perhaps not?
I would expect that you allow me to make such a post and 'hide' it from those in jurisdictions where the post goes against their community standards, as this is not nudity.
Kathy
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 22:15, David Indeje via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
What Walu had hinted on Ethiopia perhaps;
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg897a/hate-speech-on-facebook-is-pushing...
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 7:38 PM kanini mutemi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes Walu. Would be great to hear from them on that. It’s more concerning when paid for content is prioritized over organic content. Now that we’re diving into an election cycle- eyeballs are for sale and the winner (big spender) takes it all.
And I agree it’s not just Facebook. Google too with the differential monetary treatment of content creators on YouTube.
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 19:14, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Good question.
FB personnel are on the group/list and we believe we shall be hearing from them soon ;-)
walu
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 05:43:37 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu, That's actually interesting....non interference in the US but engagement with government in Africa? What makes different spaces get different approaches? GB
On Wednesday, 16 September 2020, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be corrected.
I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do.
walu
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
My humble thoughts:-
1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance?
2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke...
3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality> to bring yourself up to speed.
4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance?
Regards
*AliHussein*
Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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Hi There!
Hoping you are having a
great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on
“Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding
Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation
is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your
comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along
the following themes:
a) Should FB be
moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can
moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural
expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable
while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate
content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your
content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your
reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you
today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights &
Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity &
Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis
Walu
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Dear all,According to my own view I think Facebook is really trying on content moderation.This includes taking down posts,groups and accounts that engage in coordinated inauthentic behavior-defined by Facebook as "when groups of pages or people work together to mislead others about who they are or what they are doing"- and strengthening verification procedures for political ads.Regards Nancy Wachira. Powered by Cricket Wireless -------- Original message --------From: Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: 9/18/20 6:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: wachiranancy91@yahoo.com Cc: Kelvin Kariuki <kelvinkariuki89@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 1 Talk2Facebook ~ Content Moderation Dear Kathy,Weeh! Waiting to hear the response to your very realistic question from FB :) Thank you for your input!On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 5:18 PM Kathy Mwai via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:Sorry I'm late as my comment is from Day 1's agenda focus: Question to Facebook - where or how do you draw the content boundary and are the community standards global or are they local to the owner of the Facebook account? An example would be where in some communities here in Kenya and elsewhere in Africa the women's attire involves being bare-chested (showing their breasts). Should I post something that celebrates or mentions this culture and accompany it with the image of such a lady, will you tell me the image is against the community standards? Whose community standards if here in Kenya they are acceptable standards, while in the West perhaps not? I would expect that you allow me to make such a post and 'hide' it from those in jurisdictions where the post goes against their community standards, as this is not nudity. KathyOn Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 22:15, David Indeje via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:What Walu had hinted on Ethiopia perhaps;https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg897a/hate-speech-on-facebook-is-pushing... Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 7:38 PM kanini mutemi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:Yes Walu. Would be great to hear from them on that. It’s more concerning when paid for content is prioritized over organic content. Now that we’re diving into an election cycle- eyeballs are for sale and the winner (big spender) takes it all. And I agree it’s not just Facebook. Google too with the differential monetary treatment of content creators on YouTube. On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 19:14, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Good question.FB personnel are on the group/list and we believe we shall be hearing from them soon ;-)walu On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 05:43:37 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote: Walu, That's actually interesting....non interference in the US but engagement with government in Africa? What makes different spaces get different approaches? GBOn Wednesday, 16 September 2020, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be corrected.I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do.walu On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:My humble thoughts:-1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance?2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke... 3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here to bring yourself up to speed.4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance?RegardsAliHusseinDigital TransformationTel: +254 713 601113Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/ alihkassimAny information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:Hi There!Hoping you are having agreat week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on“Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surroundingContent Moderation on FB!Content Moderationis a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share yourcomments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services alongthe following themes:a) Should FB bemoderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?b) If FB canmoderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different culturalexpectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptablewhile it becomes un-acceptable in another?c) How can FB moderatecontent without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?d) Has yourcontent posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was yourreaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal? We hope to hear from youtoday as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues. Have a great day! Rest of the Program:Day 2: Data ProtectionDay 3: Human Rights &TransparencyDay 4: Connectivity &Wrap Up Warm Regards,Tr. KarisWalu ______________________________ _________________kictanet mailing listkictanet@lists.kictanet.or.kehttps://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/listinfo/kictanetTwitter: http://twitter.com/kictanetFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/ KICTANet/Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/info% 40alyhussein.comThe Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.______________________________ _________________kictanet mailing listkictanet@lists.kictanet.or.kehttps://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/listinfo/kictanetTwitter: http://twitter.com/kictanetFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/ KICTANet/Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/ nmutungu%40gmail.comThe Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.-- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu@BomuPGP ID : 0x33A3450F______________________________ _________________kictanet mailing listkictanet@lists.kictanet.or.kehttps://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/listinfo/kictanetTwitter: http://twitter.com/kictanetFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/ KICTANet/Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/ jwalu%40yahoo.comThe Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Grace Mutung'u Skype: gracebomu@BomuPGP ID : 0x33A3450F _______________________________________________kictanet mailing listkictanet@lists.kictanet.or.kehttps://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanetTwitter: http://twitter.com/kictanetFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kaninimutemi%40gmail.c... Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.-- Mercy Mutemi, Advocate. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/davidindeje%40gmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kathymwai%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Dream and Your Dreams Will Fall Short... _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kelvinkariuki89%40gmai... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. --
True, for a company with close to 3Billion users, they have made good effort to keep the platform sane. However some think they are still flexible with their policies based on who posts...have a read... Auditor blasts Facebook's handsoff policy on Trump posts | | | | | | | | | | | Auditor blasts Facebook's handsoff policy on Trump posts The civil rights audit commissioned by Facebook comes as some 900 advertisers boycott the social media site. | | | Would like to hear more on this. Does your post get moderated based purely on content, or partly also on who did the post? walu On Saturday, September 19, 2020, 02:47:55 AM GMT+3, wachiranancy91 via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dear all,According to my own view I think Facebook is really trying on content moderation.This includes taking down posts,groups and accounts that engage in coordinated inauthentic behavior-defined by Facebook as "when groups of pages or people work together to mislead others about who they are or what they are doing"- and strengthening verification procedures for political ads. Regards Nancy Wachira. Powered by Cricket Wireless -------- Original message --------From: Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: 9/18/20 6:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: wachiranancy91@yahoo.com Cc: Kelvin Kariuki <kelvinkariuki89@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 1 Talk2Facebook ~ Content Moderation Dear Kathy,Weeh! Waiting to hear the response to your very realistic question from FB :) Thank you for your input! On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 5:18 PM Kathy Mwai via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Sorry I'm late as my comment is from Day 1's agenda focus: Question to Facebook - where or how do you draw the content boundary and are the community standards global or are they local to the owner of the Facebook account? An example would be where in some communities here in Kenya and elsewhere in Africa the women's attire involves being bare-chested (showing their breasts). Should I post something that celebrates or mentions this culture and accompany it with the image of such a lady, will you tell me the image is against the community standards? Whose community standards if here in Kenya they are acceptable standards, while in the West perhaps not? I would expect that you allow me to make such a post and 'hide' it from those in jurisdictions where the post goes against their community standards, as this is not nudity. Kathy On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 22:15, David Indeje via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: What Walu had hinted on Ethiopia perhaps; https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg897a/hate-speech-on-facebook-is-pushing... On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 7:38 PM kanini mutemi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Yes Walu. Would be great to hear from them on that. It’s more concerning when paid for content is prioritized over organic content. Now that we’re diving into an election cycle- eyeballs are for sale and the winner (big spender) takes it all. And I agree it’s not just Facebook. Google too with the differential monetary treatment of content creators on YouTube. On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 19:14, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Good question. FB personnel are on the group/list and we believe we shall be hearing from them soon ;-) walu On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 05:43:37 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote: Walu, That's actually interesting....non interference in the US but engagement with government in Africa? What makes different spaces get different approaches? GB On Wednesday, 16 September 2020, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: At the moment FB is struggling with online content issues with respect to the US elections...from media reports I get the feeling they are preferring the non-interference stance to content but I stand to be corrected. I get the feeling fake-news on digital platform may require capacity building of the general masses - over and above what FB may, or may not do. walu On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 12:06:33 PM GMT+3, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Hi Teacher Karis, With regard to content moderation, I am wondering if Facebook has anything in the pipeline for upcoming Kenya elections. This is coming from reports on their recent work in Ethiopia. I got the sense that Facebook engaged with the government but still didn't help to contain content that led to offline violence. There is also a sense from civil society reports that Facebook took down content that should have stayed up or may have blocked dissenters. My question is therefore what they learnt from that experience in Ethiopia or other African countries they have engaged in. Warm regards, Grace On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 11:30, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: My humble thoughts:- 1. How can we align current laws to go after the culprits who misuse platforms like these. With this, I also mean platform owners themselves. Policy Makers and Regulators the world over have unfortunately been caught flat-footed by these Gatekeeper Platforms. Like a knife, they can do a lot of good (in the kitchen!) but also be used as lethal weapons. How do we find the balance? 2. Let me ask a question - At a bar, a party, or even in the bedroom is there someone moderating our conversations or behaviors? Unless of course, you are in China where even the cockroach in your kitchen has been profiled by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). This is not a joke... 3. The Net Neutrality (yes..still my pet peeve :-)) debate must be revived. If we all had paid attention to this critical issue we probably would not be having these conversations. For those of you who are new to Net Neutrality click here to bring yourself up to speed. 4. Last but not least, Gatekeeper Platforms have a fiduciary responsibility and a social contract to keep the platforms clean and usable. The problem here is that we will be giving these guys too much power. Again, how do we find the balance? Regards Ali Hussein Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/ alihkassim Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Hi There! Hoping you are having a great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding Content Moderation on FB! Content Moderation is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along the following themes: a) Should FB be moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal? b) If FB can moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable while it becomes un-acceptable in another? c) How can FB moderate content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech? d) Has your content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal? We hope to hear from you today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues. Have a great day! Rest of the Program: Day 2: Data Protection Day 3: Human Rights & Transparency Day 4: Connectivity & Wrap Up Warm Regards, Tr. 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Thank you Tr Karis. This topic couldn’t be timed more perfectly. My concern with content moderation is its algorithms for both Facebook and Instagram platforms. Undoubtedly it’s not girls that run the world anymore (sorry Beyoncé) it’s algorithms. Given the central role they play- algorithms can no longer be a preserve of the geeks. Any tweaks and changes call for utmost transparency and a proper feedback system because after all they affect real people. Selective moderation (depending on location and audience) and badgering tendencies are some of the common complaints. What concerns me the most is the delicate interplay between these platforms remaining as safe spaces for interactions/information sharing AND marketplaces. Currently there’s an uproar on IG because the rules of the game have changed to make influencers work harder for their reach. The unintended consequence is that common users, not for profit, political and social pages are caught up in these changes making it impossible to survive in a cut throat environment. When you log in you’re bombarded with influencer after influencer after influencer posts. I consider that content moderation. What guides Facebook in refining its algorithm. Yes ‘make money’ but are there are other principles? On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 06:01, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a
great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on
“Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding
Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation
is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your
comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along
the following themes:
a) Should FB be
moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
b) If FB can
moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural
expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable
while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
c) How can FB moderate
content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
d) Has your
content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your
reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
We hope to hear from you
today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights &
Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity &
Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis
Walu
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Interesting perspective. I had not looked at algorithms as being part of the moderation 'matrix'. I had only looked at moderation from a traditional, restrictive/censorship perspective. I now realise that moderation can also exist from an over-supply of specific content based on your clicks, location and other individualized digital behavioiur. The fact that different users get different content - based on the decisions made by algorithms - does implicitly speak to moderation from the perspective that FB eventually decides your perception of reality thro these algorithms that read your digital footprint. For sure this is NOT to limited to FB and cuts across the digital economy. As an example, a Google search on 'Tiananmen square' done in Beijing gives a different result from that one done in Nairobi. Essentially, our content is already being moderated by algorithms. The question maybe to what extent users can influence the design of those algorithms so that they also work in their favor and not just the advertiser's favor. walu. On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 06:30:08 PM GMT+3, kanini mutemi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Thank you Tr Karis. This topic couldn’t be timed more perfectly. My concern with content moderation is its algorithms for both Facebook and Instagram platforms. Undoubtedly it’s not girls that run the world anymore (sorry Beyoncé) it’s algorithms. Given the central role they play- algorithms can no longer be a preserve of the geeks. Any tweaks and changes call for utmost transparency and a proper feedback system because after all they affect real people. Selective moderation (depending on location and audience) and badgering tendencies are some of the common complaints. What concerns me the most is the delicate interplay between these platforms remaining as safe spaces for interactions/information sharing AND marketplaces. Currently there’s an uproar on IG because the rules of the game have changed to make influencers work harder for their reach. The unintended consequence is that common users, not for profit, political and social pages are caught up in these changes making it impossible to survive in a cut throat environment. When you log in you’re bombarded with influencer after influencer after influencer posts. I consider that content moderation. What guides Facebook in refining its algorithm. Yes ‘make money’ but are there are other principles? On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 06:01, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi There! Hoping you are having a great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding Content Moderation on FB! Content Moderation is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along the following themes: a) Should FB be moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal? b) If FB can moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable while it becomes un-acceptable in another? c) How can FB moderate content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech? d) Has your content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal? We hope to hear from you today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues. Have a great day! Rest of the Program: Day 2: Data Protection Day 3: Human Rights & Transparency Day 4: Connectivity & Wrap Up Warm Regards, Tr. 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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Mercy Mutemi, Advocate. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Hi Teacher Karis, My responses in line. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi There!
Hoping you are having a great week, we are delighted to invite you to this 4 days series on “Talk2Facebook”, on Day 1, we are eager to hear from you on issues surrounding Content Moderation on FB!
Content Moderation is a delicate balance between freedom of speech and censorship. Share your comments, experiences, and challenges with regard to Facebook Services along the following themes:
a) Should FB be moderating digital content on their platform or should it be open and liberal?
*BO: I think FB should moderate content. As a responsible corporate Citizen, the company should help authorities in ensuring there is peace and harmony in their areas of operation. Misuse of the platform should be dettered at all costs. The Christchurch incident comes to mind in this case.*
b) If FB can moderate content on its platform, how can it balance out different cultural expectations where a single post in one jurisdiction is considered acceptable while it becomes un-acceptable in another?
*BO : Again each territory has its ethos. Good netizenship requires us to embrace a value system which recognizes that what is wrong offline is wrong online. Facebook should help implement such principles which are fundamental to continued development of the Internet. As the saying goes when in Rome, i do as the Romans do.*
c) How can FB moderate content without being considered a gatekeeper or violating freedom of speech?
*BO: There has to be a basis or rationale to every decision anchored to the Supreme Law of the jurisdiction and fundamental Human Rights tenets.*
d) Has your content posted on FB ever been flagged as un-acceptable and what was your reaction/experience? Is there a process of appeal?
*BO No*
We hope to hear from you today as tomorrow we will be talking about Data Protection Issues.
Have a great day!
Rest of the Program:
Day 2: Data Protection
Day 3: Human Rights & Transparency
Day 4: Connectivity & Wrap Up
Warm Regards,
Tr. Karis Walu _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
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