Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Listers, We had wanted your full attention so that I can 'officially' declare the end of our online discussions on the Draft National ICT Policy. But clearly the proposed ICT practitioners Bill has stolen our thunder :-) Either way, I thank all those who contributed as well as those who read in silence :-). We shall have the compiled reports from the KICTAnet list as a well as the Jadili platform by the end of the week for your perusal. Thereafter, we shall hold a face2face Validation Workshop at the Strathmore University at a date to be confirmed later on next week. However, you can tentatively keep your Wed 13th open as we firm up the date with the Ministry. All the best and thanx alot. Walu & Barrack on behalf of KICTAnet
Hello Walu, Clearly the furore this is generating now, is such an "unnecessary" distraction at a time when the stakeholder community's focus has been solely on the draft policy blue print. Why, pray, wasn't this incorporated in the wider policy draft discussions ..! Sounds like a "spanner in the works". Am sure a number of us were at the tail end of summing up our submissions on the draft, then this...! Harry On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
We had wanted your full attention so that I can 'officially' declare the end of our online discussions on the Draft National ICT Policy.
But clearly the proposed ICT practitioners Bill has stolen our thunder :-)
Either way, I thank all those who contributed as well as those who read in silence :-). We shall have the compiled reports from the KICTAnet list as a well as the Jadili platform by the end of the week for your perusal.
Thereafter, we shall hold a face2face Validation Workshop at the Strathmore University at a date to be confirmed later on next week. However, you can tentatively keep your Wed 13th open as we firm up the date with the Ministry.
All the best and thanx alot.
Walu & Barrack on behalf of KICTAnet
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Greetings Listers, Just wish to thank Alex, Mildred and F.E for their contributions on the Vision theme given on the last day of the discussion. I also wish to say that we have not managed to secure the Wed 13th July Date for our planned face2face Validation meeting at Strahmore. A new date will be advised by this wednesday. We shall also share the consolidated views by Thrs this week in preparation for the KICTAnet face to face validation meeting. Finally plse note that the contributions directly to the ministry are still open through tomorrow 12th July 2016 through the email address ictpolicy2016@information.go.ke . A national stakeholder meetings will then follow at the end of July and we shall be advised. rgds. walu. From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 9:06 AM Subject: Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Listers, We had wanted your full attention so that I can 'officially' declare the end of our online discussions on the Draft National ICT Policy. But clearly the proposed ICT practitioners Bill has stolen our thunder :-) Either way, I thank all those who contributed as well as those who read in silence :-). We shall have the compiled reports from the KICTAnet list as a well as the Jadili platform by the end of the week for your perusal. Thereafter, we shall hold a face2face Validation Workshop at the Strathmore University at a date to be confirmed later on next week. However, you can tentatively keep your Wed 13th open as we firm up the date with the Ministry. All the best and thanx alot. Walu & Barrack on behalf of KICTAnet
Dear Walu, I am sorry I did not have time to contribute to the discussions. Please pardon me for raising a few issues as you consolidate comments. I have the following observations which should be integrated into the consolidated: 1) Evaluation of the 2006 ICT policy. No attempt was made to evaluate how useful the 2006 policy was in guiding the industry. What was achieved/not achieved? What did we learn? There was a section 4.2 on rationale but it is too weak. I propose a substantive section on this in the Introduction. 2) Reference to other policy documents. There are a number of documents that could be considered at policy level, e.g. the National ICT Master Plan and the National Broadband Strategy. No reference is made to these documents yet they have very key policy statements, outcomes and targets. For example, in the National ICT Master Plan, there is a recommendation to create ICT as a stand-alone sector with its own ISIC classification standards. This is something I would have expected the policy document to pick up because it is so important for growth of ICT in this country. 3) Section 6 is derived from the draft Science, Technology and Innovation (STI) policy. No reference is made to this document, which unfortunately was not formally adopted because it was presented just before the last election and everyone was in a hurry. At the same time, most of the material in this section 6 comes from the STI policy document without value addition. Given that the draft STI policy was developed in 2011/12, I propose we make amendments to the proposed Kenya National Innovation System (KNIS) given that a lot has changed since then and a lot is likely to change in the life of this document. The Ministry of ICT, ICT Authority, the various tech innovation hubs and KoTDA are key actors now or in the future and should be recognised in the KNIS. 4) Policy outcomes. The document contains policy objectives, which is fine. However, it is very difficult to evaluate the accomplishment of objectives. I propose that for each area, we develop policy outcomes. This way, we can measure the achievement of this new policy. We would also be providing direction to the various strategy documents that would need to be developed at a lower level. 5) Hurried. Reading through the document, one gets the impression that it was hurriedly put together. If it is going to serve us for > 10 years, we need to give it time and produce a good document. So let us not be in a hurry to push it for approval when there are glaring problems. In any case, we have a policy that still continues to guide us, approximately. Kind regards, T. Mwololo Waema | Professor of Information Systems | School of Computing & Informatics | University of Nairobi | PO Box 30197-00100, Nairobi | @timwololo On 11 July 2016 at 11:39, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Listers,
Just wish to thank Alex, Mildred and F.E for their contributions on the Vision theme given on the last day of the discussion.
I also wish to say that we have not managed to secure the Wed 13th July Date for our planned face2face Validation meeting at Strahmore. A new date will be advised by this wednesday. We shall also share the consolidated views by Thrs this week in preparation for the KICTAnet face to face validation meeting.
Finally plse note that the contributions directly to the ministry are still open through tomorrow 12th July 2016 through the email address *ictpolicy2016@information.go.ke <ictpolicy2016@information.go.ke> . *
A national stakeholder meetings will then follow at the end of July and we shall be advised.
rgds.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 9:06 AM *Subject:* Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Listers,
We had wanted your full attention so that I can 'officially' declare the end of our online discussions on the Draft National ICT Policy.
But clearly the proposed ICT practitioners Bill has stolen our thunder :-)
Either way, I thank all those who contributed as well as those who read in silence :-). We shall have the compiled reports from the KICTAnet list as a well as the Jadili platform by the end of the week for your perusal.
Thereafter, we shall hold a face2face Validation Workshop at the Strathmore University at a date to be confirmed later on next week. However, you can tentatively keep your Wed 13th open as we firm up the date with the Ministry.
All the best and thanx alot.
Walu & Barrack on behalf of KICTAnet
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@Prof. Waema, Comments noted. As they say, it is better late than never. On this issue of time extension, this has come up several time. Perhaps the ministry listen and reconsider. walu. From: Mwololo Waema Tim <timwololo@gmail.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions, next steps. Dear Walu, I am sorry I did not have time to contribute to the discussions. Please pardon me for raising a few issues as you consolidate comments. I have the following observations which should be integrated into the consolidated: 1) Evaluation of the 2006 ICT policy. No attempt was made to evaluate how useful the 2006 policy was in guiding the industry. What was achieved/not achieved? What did we learn? There was a section 4.2 on rationale but it is too weak. I propose a substantive section on this in the Introduction. 2) Reference to other policy documents. There are a number of documents that could be considered at policy level, e.g. the National ICT Master Plan and the National Broadband Strategy. No reference is made to these documents yet they have very key policy statements, outcomes and targets. For example, in the National ICT Master Plan, there is a recommendation to create ICT as a stand-alone sector with its own ISIC classification standards. This is something I would have expected the policy document to pick up because it is so important for growth of ICT in this country. 3) Section 6 is derived from the draft Science, Technology and Innovation (STI) policy. No reference is made to this document, which unfortunately was not formally adopted because it was presented just before the last election and everyone was in a hurry. At the same time, most of the material in this section 6 comes from the STI policy document without value addition. Given that the draft STI policy was developed in 2011/12, I propose we make amendments to the proposed Kenya National Innovation System (KNIS) given that a lot has changed since then and a lot is likely to change in the life of this document. The Ministry of ICT, ICT Authority, the various tech innovation hubs and KoTDA are key actors now or in the future and should be recognised in the KNIS. 4) Policy outcomes. The document contains policy objectives, which is fine. However, it is very difficult to evaluate the accomplishment of objectives. I propose that for each area, we develop policy outcomes. This way, we can measure the achievement of this new policy. We would also be providing direction to the various strategy documents that would need to be developed at a lower level. 5) Hurried. Reading through the document, one gets the impression that it was hurriedly put together. If it is going to serve us for > 10 years, we need to give it time and produce a good document. So let us not be in a hurry to push it for approval when there are glaring problems. In any case, we have a policy that still continues to guide us, approximately. Kind regards, T. Mwololo Waema | Professor of Information Systems | School of Computing & Informatics | University of Nairobi | PO Box 30197-00100, Nairobi | @timwololo On 11 July 2016 at 11:39, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Greetings Listers, Just wish to thank Alex, Mildred and F.E for their contributions on the Vision theme given on the last day of the discussion. I also wish to say that we have not managed to secure the Wed 13th July Date for our planned face2face Validation meeting at Strahmore. A new date will be advised by this wednesday. We shall also share the consolidated views by Thrs this week in preparation for the KICTAnet face to face validation meeting. Finally plse note that the contributions directly to the ministry are still open through tomorrow 12th July 2016 through the email address ictpolicy2016@information.go.ke . A national stakeholder meetings will then follow at the end of July and we shall be advised. rgds. walu. From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 9:06 AM Subject: Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Listers, We had wanted your full attention so that I can 'officially' declare the end of our online discussions on the Draft National ICT Policy. But clearly the proposed ICT practitioners Bill has stolen our thunder :-) Either way, I thank all those who contributed as well as those who read in silence :-). We shall have the compiled reports from the KICTAnet list as a well as the Jadili platform by the end of the week for your perusal. Thereafter, we shall hold a face2face Validation Workshop at the Strathmore University at a date to be confirmed later on next week. However, you can tentatively keep your Wed 13th open as we firm up the date with the Ministry. All the best and thanx alot. Walu & Barrack on behalf of KICTAnet _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/timwololo%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Dear Walu, Thanks for the response. Please confirm that you will integrate my substantive comments, in addition to the extension. Kind regards, T. Mwololo Waema | Professor of Information Systems | School of Computing & Informatics | University of Nairobi | PO Box 30197-00100, Nairobi | @timwololo On 12 July 2016 at 11:52, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Prof. Waema,
Comments noted. As they say, it is better late than never.
On this issue of time extension, this has come up several time. Perhaps the ministry listen and reconsider.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Mwololo Waema Tim <timwololo@gmail.com> *To:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2016 10:03 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions, next steps.
Dear Walu,
I am sorry I did not have time to contribute to the discussions. Please pardon me for raising a few issues as you consolidate comments. I have the following observations which should be integrated into the consolidated:
1) Evaluation of the 2006 ICT policy. No attempt was made to evaluate how useful the 2006 policy was in guiding the industry. What was achieved/not achieved? What did we learn? There was a section 4.2 on rationale but it is too weak. I propose a substantive section on this in the Introduction.
2) Reference to other policy documents. There are a number of documents that could be considered at policy level, e.g. the National ICT Master Plan and the National Broadband Strategy. No reference is made to these documents yet they have very key policy statements, outcomes and targets. For example, in the National ICT Master Plan, there is a recommendation to create ICT as a stand-alone sector with its own ISIC classification standards. This is something I would have expected the policy document to pick up because it is so important for growth of ICT in this country.
3) Section 6 is derived from the draft Science, Technology and Innovation (STI) policy. No reference is made to this document, which unfortunately was not formally adopted because it was presented just before the last election and everyone was in a hurry. At the same time, most of the material in this section 6 comes from the STI policy document without value addition. Given that the draft STI policy was developed in 2011/12, I propose we make amendments to the proposed Kenya National Innovation System (KNIS) given that a lot has changed since then and a lot is likely to change in the life of this document. The Ministry of ICT, ICT Authority, the various tech innovation hubs and KoTDA are key actors now or in the future and should be recognised in the KNIS.
4) Policy outcomes. The document contains policy objectives, which is fine. However, it is very difficult to evaluate the accomplishment of objectives. I propose that for each area, we develop policy outcomes. This way, we can measure the achievement of this new policy. We would also be providing direction to the various strategy documents that would need to be developed at a lower level.
5) Hurried. Reading through the document, one gets the impression that it was hurriedly put together. If it is going to serve us for > 10 years, we need to give it time and produce a good document. So let us not be in a hurry to push it for approval when there are glaring problems. In any case, we have a policy that still continues to guide us, approximately.
Kind regards,
T. Mwololo Waema | Professor of Information Systems | School of Computing & Informatics | University of Nairobi | PO Box 30197-00100, Nairobi | @timwololo
On 11 July 2016 at 11:39, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Listers,
Just wish to thank Alex, Mildred and F.E for their contributions on the Vision theme given on the last day of the discussion.
I also wish to say that we have not managed to secure the Wed 13th July Date for our planned face2face Validation meeting at Strahmore. A new date will be advised by this wednesday. We shall also share the consolidated views by Thrs this week in preparation for the KICTAnet face to face validation meeting.
Finally plse note that the contributions directly to the ministry are still open through tomorrow 12th July 2016 through the email address *ictpolicy2016@information.go.ke <ictpolicy2016@information.go.ke> . *
A national stakeholder meetings will then follow at the end of July and we shall be advised.
rgds.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 9:06 AM *Subject:* Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Listers,
We had wanted your full attention so that I can 'officially' declare the end of our online discussions on the Draft National ICT Policy.
But clearly the proposed ICT practitioners Bill has stolen our thunder :-)
Either way, I thank all those who contributed as well as those who read in silence :-). We shall have the compiled reports from the KICTAnet list as a well as the Jadili platform by the end of the week for your perusal.
Thereafter, we shall hold a face2face Validation Workshop at the Strathmore University at a date to be confirmed later on next week. However, you can tentatively keep your Wed 13th open as we firm up the date with the Ministry.
All the best and thanx alot.
Walu & Barrack on behalf of KICTAnet
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@Prof. Comments will be captured. Extension is beyond my limited mandate. Something for the ministry :-) walu. From: Mwololo Waema Tim <timwololo@gmail.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions, next steps. Dear Walu, Thanks for the response. Please confirm that you will integrate my substantive comments, in addition to the extension. Kind regards, T. Mwololo Waema | Professor of Information Systems | School of Computing & Informatics | University of Nairobi | PO Box 30197-00100, Nairobi | @timwololo On 12 July 2016 at 11:52, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Prof. Waema, Comments noted. As they say, it is better late than never. On this issue of time extension, this has come up several time. Perhaps the ministry listen and reconsider. walu. From: Mwololo Waema Tim <timwololo@gmail.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions, next steps. Dear Walu, I am sorry I did not have time to contribute to the discussions. Please pardon me for raising a few issues as you consolidate comments. I have the following observations which should be integrated into the consolidated: 1) Evaluation of the 2006 ICT policy. No attempt was made to evaluate how useful the 2006 policy was in guiding the industry. What was achieved/not achieved? What did we learn? There was a section 4.2 on rationale but it is too weak. I propose a substantive section on this in the Introduction. 2) Reference to other policy documents. There are a number of documents that could be considered at policy level, e.g. the National ICT Master Plan and the National Broadband Strategy. No reference is made to these documents yet they have very key policy statements, outcomes and targets. For example, in the National ICT Master Plan, there is a recommendation to create ICT as a stand-alone sector with its own ISIC classification standards. This is something I would have expected the policy document to pick up because it is so important for growth of ICT in this country. 3) Section 6 is derived from the draft Science, Technology and Innovation (STI) policy. No reference is made to this document, which unfortunately was not formally adopted because it was presented just before the last election and everyone was in a hurry. At the same time, most of the material in this section 6 comes from the STI policy document without value addition. Given that the draft STI policy was developed in 2011/12, I propose we make amendments to the proposed Kenya National Innovation System (KNIS) given that a lot has changed since then and a lot is likely to change in the life of this document. The Ministry of ICT, ICT Authority, the various tech innovation hubs and KoTDA are key actors now or in the future and should be recognised in the KNIS. 4) Policy outcomes. The document contains policy objectives, which is fine. However, it is very difficult to evaluate the accomplishment of objectives. I propose that for each area, we develop policy outcomes. This way, we can measure the achievement of this new policy. We would also be providing direction to the various strategy documents that would need to be developed at a lower level. 5) Hurried. Reading through the document, one gets the impression that it was hurriedly put together. If it is going to serve us for > 10 years, we need to give it time and produce a good document. So let us not be in a hurry to push it for approval when there are glaring problems. In any case, we have a policy that still continues to guide us, approximately. Kind regards, T. Mwololo Waema | Professor of Information Systems | School of Computing & Informatics | University of Nairobi | PO Box 30197-00100, Nairobi | @timwololo On 11 July 2016 at 11:39, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Greetings Listers, Just wish to thank Alex, Mildred and F.E for their contributions on the Vision theme given on the last day of the discussion. I also wish to say that we have not managed to secure the Wed 13th July Date for our planned face2face Validation meeting at Strahmore. A new date will be advised by this wednesday. We shall also share the consolidated views by Thrs this week in preparation for the KICTAnet face to face validation meeting. Finally plse note that the contributions directly to the ministry are still open through tomorrow 12th July 2016 through the email address ictpolicy2016@information.go.ke . A national stakeholder meetings will then follow at the end of July and we shall be advised. rgds. walu. From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 9:06 AM Subject: Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions Listers, We had wanted your full attention so that I can 'officially' declare the end of our online discussions on the Draft National ICT Policy. But clearly the proposed ICT practitioners Bill has stolen our thunder :-) Either way, I thank all those who contributed as well as those who read in silence :-). We shall have the compiled reports from the KICTAnet list as a well as the Jadili platform by the end of the week for your perusal. Thereafter, we shall hold a face2face Validation Workshop at the Strathmore University at a date to be confirmed later on next week. However, you can tentatively keep your Wed 13th open as we firm up the date with the Ministry. All the best and thanx alot. Walu & Barrack on behalf of KICTAnet _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/timwololo%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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On 12 July 2016 at 10:03, Mwololo Waema Tim via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
5) Hurried. Reading through the document, one gets the impression that it was hurriedly put together. If it is going to serve us for > 10 years, we need to give it time and produce a good document. So let us not be in a hurry to push it for approval when there are glaring problems. In any case, we have a policy that still continues to guide us, approximately.
I support this view. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
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Harry Delano
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Mwendwa Kivuva
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Mwololo Waema Tim
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Walubengo J